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posted at 9:15 pm on June 7, 2008 by Allahpundit
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“What would have happened if Obama’s bill had passed? There is no way to know for sure, but it seems likely that, facing less resistance, Al Qaeda in Iraq would have continued to gain strength, the fragile Iraqi Security Forces would have collapsed, as would the fragile Iraqi government, militias would have flourished–and the United States would have departed under fire, accepting a humiliating defeat in the war against al Qaeda that would have reverberated globally.
For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.”
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Indeed. It’s always good when you’re in the HA parlor MiM. Please do come by more often. Best regards.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.
Which would’ve resulted in an A.Q. recruiting banazaa leading to an increase of terror attacks causing the death of untold thousands.
Tony737 on June 8, 2008 at 1:04 AM
I simply don’t understand why far-left terrorists have a candidate to vote for, and we main-line Republican conservatives don’t.
I’ve listened to all the arguments, and as an exploration geologist with over 30 years of experience in the energy filed, I simply can’t push the lever for McCain.
I’ll vote for Republicans, as usual, but whatever the hell he is, he is no Republican.
TexasJew on June 8, 2008 at 1:09 AM
LegendHasIt on June 7, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Legend, you need to connect with HA’s commenter Red Pill.
Dear SteveMG, Indy needs to be read with nuance, indulgence and amusement. He really means well for this country, his over the top ranting aside.
Just leave your goat alone!
Perfect inquiry.
I can’t believe that anyone fell for this. Such self-anointed perfection needs to be left standing.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 1:12 AM
Adored pb, how right you are. May your “political nostrils” be right, even if you didn’t make any predictions in this comment. Your entire comment was profound and foreboding. I’m not desperate yet, but extremely guarded. I don’t trust the populace this time around, from both sides of the isle.
7%, contrary to your statement, if the voters are not smarter, then I specifically wish the wrath on them, onto both sides. I feel sorry for the next generations, but if the populace should be that dumb, then I’ll enjoy the Schadenfreude completely. No one else can then be blamed. They would have done themselves, and their country in.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Negative, General Petraeus proposed the surge the Commander-in-Chief George W Bush approved this strategy. John McCain supported it. He deserves credit but too many people are allowing him to take more credit than he deserves for the surge.
chasdal on June 8, 2008 at 1:30 AM
RE: the ‘McCain haters’ being silent
Sparkle complains when we express our dislike for McCain, and jgapinoy taunts us when we’re silent.
Damned if we do, and damned if we don’t.
I posted a comment here on HotAir in support of Bush, and the additional troops. In my comment, it is clearly stated that Col. Oliver North disagreed with the idea of sending more troops. In my comment, no mention is made of McCain/Lieberman and their appearance at AEI. I don’t recall knowing about that appearance, nor their stated position on sending more troops to Iraq. Nothing it that post by AllahPundit points to the speech five days earlier at AEI, by McCain/Lieberman.
If McCain, and his good friend jgapinoy keep sticking their thumb in my [conservative] eye, I’ll probably vote for Obama, out of spite.
Have a nice day.
rockhauler on June 8, 2008 at 1:43 AM
Maliki sounds really grateful, doesn’t he?
Iraq PM in Iran talks amid debate over US pact
by Hiedeh Farmani Sat Jun 7, 11:36 AM ET
Sat Jun 7, 11:36 AM ET
TEHRAN (AFP) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki arrived in Tehran on Saturday for talks with Iranian leaders, amid controversy over a mooted deal with Washington on a long-term US troop presence in Iraq.
The Shiite premier — on his third visit to Tehran since taking office two years ago — was met by First Vice President Parviz Davoudi and was set to hold talks with Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki later in the day.
The new trip comes amid strong criticism from Baghdad and Tehran over the proposed deal between Iraq and Iran’s arch foe the United States to maintain US soldiers in the country beyond 2008.
“The prime minister’s visit to Iran is considered a step in a series of visits … and to form a strategy committee to develop the relationship between the two nations,” Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh told AFP.
Iran has urged Maliki not to sign the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with the United States on maintaining US soldiers in the country beyond 2008. Iraq has also said it has a “different vision” from the United States on the issue.
Dabbagh said Iran’s leaders would be assured that Baghdad would not allow its soil to be used for attacks on neighbouring countries, amid mounting international tensions over the Iranian nuclear drive.
He said they would be told of “the Iraqi vision, which is that it will not serve as a base or staging ground to launch attacks against neighbouring countries.”
MB4 on June 8, 2008 at 1:45 AM
Es schader nichts.
Johan Klaus on June 8, 2008 at 1:47 AM
I have my issues with McCain, but he talked about a surge long, long before Petraeus/Bush 43 did.
rockhauler, dearest, please come back to the one I’ve always liked. These are times/issues too serious for “spite”.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 1:47 AM
Johan, meinst du “Es schadet nichts?” - if so, what do you really mean? Expand, please.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 1:49 AM
Durch Schaden wird man klug.
Johan Klaus on June 8, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Nicht diesmal. Bis dahin wird es zu spaet sein und kein Herr Reagen steht hinter den Kulissen. Die Gefahr ist einfach zu gross - das Land wird nie wieder das selbe sein.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Fools…….
Seven Percent Solution on June 8, 2008 at 1:57 AM
I’ll probably vote for Obama, out of spite. - Rock
Don’t even joke around like that, Rock, the stakes are too high.
Tony737 on June 8, 2008 at 1:58 AM
You two Gringos are hopeless. You are not suppose to be habla Aleman. Usted se supone que debe estar aprendiendo Espanol!
VinyFoxy on June 8, 2008 at 2:02 AM
Tony737 and Entelechy, for the record,
I am, and will remain ‘undecided’ until November.
rockhauler on June 8, 2008 at 2:06 AM
VinyFoxy, you retired. Go back into your hacienda and stay there.
Johan and I are still free Americans, the U.S.A. kind, and we can speak in any language we damn please. English is still our official language, to be sure, much to your chagrin.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 2:09 AM
TREU
Johan Klaus on June 8, 2008 at 2:10 AM
If you know what is good for you Gringo you will vote for Juan. Obama will kill you and Juan will just make you learn Spanish. That should be an easy choice. Send mucho pesos too for Juan’s campaign for el Presidente.
VinyFoxy on June 8, 2008 at 2:14 AM
rockhauler, of course you will do whatever you see fit, with full rights to do so.
However, do decide with lots of thought and care. See what profitsbeard said in
profitsbeard on June 7, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 2:16 AM
Enjoy the English while you can. Your precious English is living on borrowed time gringo lady. First it will become press one for Espanol and press two for English, then everything will be in just Spanish.
VinyFoxy on June 8, 2008 at 2:18 AM
Schlofenszeit. Gute Nacht.
Johan Klaus on June 8, 2008 at 2:18 AM
Uno por Aleman.
Johan Klaus on June 8, 2008 at 2:20 AM
Johan, aus Treue kann ich dieses wunderbare Land keinem Kommunisten uebergeben mit williger Hand, nie.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 2:26 AM
Gute Nacht Johan
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 2:26 AM
chasdal on June 8, 2008 at 1:30 AM
…and that’s exactly what McCain did. Don’t be petty.
29Victor on June 8, 2008 at 2:37 AM
Don’t call them “McCain haters,” they like that. Call them what they are “whiners.”
I can hate something I can’t change and keep it to myself or just state my hatered a couple of times to let it be known how I feel. But these people won’t shut up about it.
It’s everywhere on Hotair. The comments of every article even mentioning McCain (and some that have absolutely nothing to do with him) are filled with the whiners stating their “true conservatism” and making sure that we know just how much they hate McCain and how the rest of us are just sheep, or RINOs, or brainwashed or liberals or whatever.
The same points proclaimed over and over and over ad nauseum.
We get it, okay. He’s selling us out to Mexico or he’s really a liberal in really, really flimsy conservative clothing. He’s worse than Obama. He agreed with Bush too much, or refused to do what Bush wanted him to. You’re really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really conservative and we’re not.
Your guy lost (whomever that might have been), or there wasn’t a guy smart or conservative or whatever enough in the race to satisfy you. Get over it. Suck it up. Quit your whining. It’s getting pitiful.
29Victor on June 8, 2008 at 2:45 AM
Now for a post criticizing whining that was sure one very whinny post. Even Watson noticed that right off and he was half asleep.
Holmes on June 8, 2008 at 3:17 AM
Holmes
Good. Good thoughtful response.
“I know you are but what am I?”
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle would have been proud.
29Victor on June 8, 2008 at 3:42 AM
The ideal reasoner would when he has once been shown a single fact in all its bearing, deduce from it not only all the chain of events which led up to it, but also all the results which would follow from it.
Holmes on June 8, 2008 at 3:55 AM
America is over either way. McCain will create Mexiusa, and Obama will create Afriusa. What is the difference? European-Americans need to move on and let America spoil in their wake.
When the tax base disintegrates, there will be only poverty, and hate.
AZCON on June 8, 2008 at 4:10 AM
I’ll make a deal with you and the other people that can’t stand to hear the truth about McCain:
FIRST: Get all of the Hot Air staff to quit posting articles about him;
NEXT: You and you cohorts quit trying to convince us that he doesn’t suck;
If you do that, I’ll shut up about it too.
I shouldn’t be surprised that all you McCainiacs want to shut us up. Your hero successfully passed legislation weakening the First Amendment… You want to stifle free speech too.
Just like the freaking liberals: Free Speech for you and the people that believe the same things as you, but not for those of us who do not.
LegendHasIt on June 8, 2008 at 4:33 AM
Holmes on June 8, 2008 at 3:55 AM
Yeah. After reading some of your other comments at Hotair, I figured you say something like that.
Your schtick at this blog consist primarily of making what you seem to believe are witty or insightful one-liners about other people’s comments. Usually using lines you appear to have picked up in English Lit 101. And doing the whole thing in the guise of Sherlock Holmes.
You don’t defend or debate or promote, you don’t converse or contribute, you just take pot-shots using stolen ammo. You cannot be debated against because you don’t use your own words.
You even stole the character that you portray here from another man. And, not coincidentally, you chose the cleverest and most insightful character in English lit. Not able to create that cred here yourself you, with great hubris and presumption, took the fast train and adopted the persona of another.
Let me clue you in Sherlock. Pretending to be a literary character and talking in quotes from Lit class is only impressive to other fourteen year olds.
And, while I may think MB4 and his ilk are annoying whiners when it comes to this whole McCain thing, I respect them for stating and defending their positions against abrasive pricks like myself (even though MB4 can go off on his own quote orgies from time to time) and because they add quite a bit to the discussion of other topics here at Hotair (except God, never talk to MB4 about God).
29Victor on June 8, 2008 at 4:51 AM
My fellow, you are getting ever more whinny which is rather ironic and you see but you do not observe what is hidden in plain sight.
Holmes on June 8, 2008 at 5:01 AM
Part of my point was that the articles don’t have to be about McCain for commenters to begin attacking McCain.
I don’t believe that I ever tried to convince anyone here, or anywhere else for that matter, that McCain doesn’t suck. I don’t particularly like McCain myself. I think his stances on both illegal immigration, the environment and drilling in ANWAR and off the coasts of Florida and California are deeply flawed and are detremental to America. I have never said anything different.
I, however, cannot speak for my cohorts but will bring up the issue at our next meeting.
On the contrary, I find that the liberal modus operandi is to raise the “free speech” argument whenever anyone criticizes what they are saying (Allan Colmes uses it all the time, drives me nuts). I never threated your free speech, I never asked that you be banned from Hotair or that your comments be deleted. I simply wrote that this constant drumbeat of how McCain is going to destroy the country and is no better than Obama is getting really, really old.
29Victor on June 8, 2008 at 5:11 AM
Holmes on June 8, 2008 at 5:01 AM
Yeah, my…um…fellow. Like I said. No debate, no defense, any criticism of you is just whining. Wonderful.
Think you’re pretty clever with the one-liner schtick, don’t cha?
29Victor on June 8, 2008 at 5:15 AM
All things should be seen exactly as they are. When matched against the blind even a one eyed man is king.
Holmes on June 8, 2008 at 5:22 AM
Holmes on June 8, 2008 at 5:22 AM
quitE…lol!
jerrytbg on June 8, 2008 at 5:41 AM
No, there wasn’t any plan. If there was a plan from day one, we wouldn’t be there - defeated - in the 5th year.
Whatever. Blah blah blah.
Of course I know I’m right because I make sense, I speak the truth and I’m realistic.
I’m not brainwashed like Republican and Democrat nutroots who believe in sound bytes and whatever Fox News or the Liberal media is feeding them.
Indy Conservative on June 8, 2008 at 5:56 AM
OK, Well, What if we quit “WHINING” and just keep on presenting facts. Would that be an acceptable compromise?
I’m not going to “shut up about it” unless I get banned.
Or …. I’ll shut up about it if someone is able to convince me that I’ve been mostly wrong in my opinions about McCain for ‘Lo, these many years’.
Too bad that the software system here doesn’t have an “IGNORE” function so that people don’t have to read the posts by specific commentators who constantly irritate them.
Personally I find Holmes is usually entertaining, even though I’ve never been a great fan of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s literary works. Same with Tuco and Viny Foxy. Their approach usually gives me a little grin even when the topic is one that makes me want to weep and/or smash something.
LegendHasIt on June 8, 2008 at 6:05 AM
When you dissect the candidates on the issues, the difference between McCain and Hussein will come down to only one thing:
A G E.
Just think about it.
Let me give you one thing they say they differ upon:
Universal Healthcare.
Well, “my friends,” Indy is telling you right now that it ain’t gonna happen. And if they try, it will fail. And they already know it.
As for Iraq, the Supreme Court, the VP, etc., trust me, they are all in agreement, even if McCain is trying to find some differences to keep his campaign going.
The troops will not leave Iraq. End of discussion. Whether McCain, Hussein or Indiana Jones is in power, it ain’t gonna happen. At least not in the immediate future and not a complete withdraw.
I have one last word for those who voted for McCain:
You can take his “veteran” status and shove it up your asses. Idiots!
Because of you, idiots, America is going down the drain.
Republicans my ass!
Indy Conservative on June 8, 2008 at 6:28 AM
Good post, you know I am like RWS, I have been on the Straight Talk Express since 2000 (in fact I was in your position, waiting for Bush to woo me in 2000). I liked you beach analogy, perfect expression
Squid Shark on June 8, 2008 at 6:52 AM
Wwooooo I was waiting for a racial arguement to pop in here.
Squid Shark on June 8, 2008 at 6:55 AM
You think every plan succeeds. You are more naive then I thought. And you claim defeat too. I assume you must attribute the happenings of the last year to the goodwill of Iran.
Ha. Good answer. Pristine.
I know, I know. Paul/Gravel 08! Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is brainwashed, even though when challenged on your facts, the only thing you can come up with is oh - more nothing.
Spirit of 1776 on June 8, 2008 at 7:18 AM
Barack Hussein- lawn chair.
drjohn on June 8, 2008 at 7:50 AM
Common sense, those of us who have it, thoughtfully applied, will easily reject that conclusion.
In the land of the blind, a one eyed man would be judged by a jury of his peers to be insane. Talking nonsense about things no one can see; things like ‘light’ and ‘dark’, or ‘color’. As a result, the one eyed man would be confined to a windowless dungeon, below ground, where he would be kept safe from his insanity, and where society would be protected from his rants.
From this I conclude that a truly wise man would keep his thoughts to himself when those thoughts conflict with the consensus of the majority. Clearly, by my own standard, I am not wise.
rockhauler on June 8, 2008 at 8:24 AM
Nailed it!
Or we can help McCain do the right thing on issues where he is weak, like get 2 million people to sign this petition to drill here, drill now, pay less.
This election will be about the economy for 2 reasons:
1. The high cost of oil (and corn)
2. The media has no reason to talk about Iraq anymore, particularly since it is Barry’s weakness and McCain’s strength.
True, and McCain is not endearing himself to me by stabbing W in the back. He needs to come up with a clear, positive agenda and dumping on W will not win this election. His efforts to date have been less than stellar.
Buy Danish on June 8, 2008 at 8:35 AM
Indy,
You are always so polite :)
terryannonline on June 8, 2008 at 8:39 AM
Republicans my ass.
Indy Conservative on June 8,2008 at 6:28AM.
Indy Conservative:Indy,me thinks your having a rough couple
of days,try to keep your powder dry!
Its always darker before the sh!t storm,
and I feel your frustration,think of
your country,America before oneself!
Easier said then done,look on the bright
side the lying,treacherous Liberals still
have to achieve 50% of the vote!
And the Liberals are literally at war
within their own party,there’s still
5 months to go,buck up,and smile,I
know it doesn’t look good,if Republicans
unite,and vote in numbers,and still loose,
it puts this unholy mess straight into
the lap of the Liberals,and their cohorts
the lefty MSM!————–:) :) :)
canopfor on June 8, 2008 at 8:57 AM
True, but it is the suffering of the foolish who have dragged the world, kicking and screaming, out of the Dark Ages.
OldEnglish on June 8, 2008 at 9:26 AM
I’m 1/2 in agreement with you–and will vote for McCain. But the other half thinks the right should push McCain every single day, and point out where he’s going wrong, every single day if necessary. McCain has two opponents. The left which would take delight in his utter failure, and will actively work towards that end, and the right, which prays he will succeed well. Call it a “loyal opposition” so to speak. We haven’t had one of those in years.
JiangxiDad on June 8, 2008 at 9:44 AM
chasdal 1:30 am & entelechy–that McCain is for the surge is fine. I do remember him bitching about Bush/Rumsfeld’s insufficient numbers of troops when Iraq began. SOMEONE was thinking about fortifying along the way as troops advanced before all hell broke loose with the Iraqi looting/rioting developing into their own civil war between factions that invited further terrorist entourages from without within.
maverick muse on June 8, 2008 at 10:08 AM
I feel compelled to confess; this conclusion is not my own, but something presented in “Analog SF” a very long time ago, title and author forgotten.
My feeble attempts to google up the original work have failed, but did produce a wealth of distraction.
rockhauler on June 8, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Where are all of the McCain-haters? They’re embarrassed to say anything in the face of this stark contrast.
Even a blind sow finds the occasional acorn.
McCain has several fine attributes: he’s a fiscal conservative, he seems to have found out that sometimes cutting taxes raises revenue, he’s strong against pork.
And yet, he gave us McCain-Feingold, the Gang of 14, and tried to shove McCain-Kennedy down our collective throat. And shows every sign of wanting more of McCain-Kennedy amnesty-light. Ignoring the fact that anyone who can obtain a driver’s license can vote in our elections, citizen or not.
Thank you, Motor Voter. Does anyone seriously believe those folks will vote for Republican candidates? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
I R A Darth Aggie on June 8, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Addendum:
McCain has several fine attributes: he also groks the war against the terrorists.
I R A Darth Aggie on June 8, 2008 at 10:20 AM
There is only one reason to vote for McCain. He isn’t Obama.
Spirit of 1776 on June 8, 2008 at 12:34 AM
This does seem to be what it boils down to doesn’t it? All I see, once one gets past the name calling is - he isn’t Obama.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if this is a strong enough argument for you to vote with, so be it. For others, we are simlpy tired of voting against someone and would like to vote for someone.
I know, I know, I’m just a whiner right? I need to understand reality and get with the program right?
I honestly don’t know what is worse - that this argument is fostered to begin with, or how comfortable a lot of people are with it.
catmman on June 8, 2008 at 10:32 AM
No matter. Although an Atheist, I seem to recall something in the Bible about truth being hidden from the wise, but made manifest to the foolish.
OldEnglish on June 8, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Sure does seem to boil down to that.
As for the rest of your post, that’s an argument, but not one you’ll get from me. If voting is as important as we say it is, then one must act according to the dictates of their own conscience. Democracy is dependent on a robust debate and conformity, or falling in line, for it’s own sake has little meaning - especially here where voting isn’t mandated. (The idea that name calling will increase the chance of compliance, is amusing to put it mildly). Regardless, it’s not my place to tell people what to do with their votes! You’ll get no argument from me.
Spirit of 1776 on June 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Simple as a slick ad, maybe.
Saltysam on June 8, 2008 at 11:04 AM
But, do you think that McCain will abandon his hostility toward conservatives and listen? The points that you made will make or break this country.
Johan Klaus on June 8, 2008 at 11:24 AM
We may get to see them throwing jabs soon if ABCs offer of a townhall in NYC gets accepted. The moderator is a big disappointment (Diane Sawyer), but if these two fellas want to slug it out then let the games begin.
Limerick on June 8, 2008 at 11:26 AM
After some thought, I believe that statement can be interpreted in two ways, depending on one’s perception/prejudice.
. . .
Lest the topic police lodge a complaint about thread hijacking, I would suggest that we are in fact discussing the need for wisdom when casting one’s next vote, and how said voter reaches a decision.
rockhauler on June 8, 2008 at 11:28 AM
I would guess McCain would then hammer him on being naive in the extreme if he thinks making a bad decision is ok if you’re dealing with an inherited problem. I guess Obama’s solution to the ME crisis would be to have never formed Israel.
Dash on June 8, 2008 at 12:16 PM
The intelligent thing to do, is to choose when, where and how you want to fight the enemy.
Johan Klaus on June 8, 2008 at 12:32 PM
for us to choose
Johan Klaus on June 8, 2008 at 12:36 PM
He’s saying, “Hey, just so you know, I didn’t bet anything on Big Brown”.
johnnyU on June 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Always.
Indy Conservative on June 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM
canopfor on June 8, 2008 at 8:57 AM
In addition to the fine points you bring up; Democrats ran on a specific platform in 2006, and won. Democrats have accomplished ZERO (natta) of the goals they ran on! Democrats have had control of Congress (law makers) for the better part of (2) years now, and what good has come from it? Gas prices are through the roof with no solution in sight; we continue to lose jobs due to over regulation and the rising overhead costs associated with over regulation. It doesn’t appear that Liberal policy makers are having much success with the direction they are taking the country.
Keemo on June 8, 2008 at 1:36 PM
I don’t vote for the lesser of two evils. Sorry buddy, but if I truly see a difference between McCain and Hussein, I would’ve changed my mind. But McCain is a liar and he is trying to distance himself from Hussein to pretend that there are differences between them. It ain’t gonna work with me. He ain’t gonna fool me.
Indy Conservative on June 8, 2008 at 1:39 PM
One thing I’d like to add to my previous comment…
Blaming everything on BUSH is not going to get our country out of the quicksand and back on safe ground. Democrats have had ample time to come up with solutions, but have instead spent much of these past (2) years placing blame rather than generating solutions. Plain and simple; enough of the excuses!
Americans that voted Democrat in 2006 should be raising hell with those individuals they themselves put into office.
Keemo on June 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Someone who risibly claims that he is always right - never wrong - and everyone who disagrees with him is always wrong and is an idiot (all 300 millions Americans) is a person filled with good cheer and graciousness.
I think not.
Personally, that’s my definition of a crank.
Others may disagree.
And they may be right; though not in this case.
SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Apparently, then, you must be unfamiliar with the candidate. He has fully supported every one of Bush’s nominees to the court, and his Federal bench appointments.
He has publicly extolled the virtues of Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, and Alito, despite the dubious quote about Alito that makes such a splash among the self-appointed HotAir guardians of True Conservatism.
He has assured all who will listen that his record of support for these candidates will be fully reflected in his own appointments. Whatever “guarantees” that you think you deserve will not be forthcoming, as such a thing doesn’t exist.
In Obama, you have a guarantee, though. A guarantee that he, too, will appoint judges who agree with his view of the law, of America, and of the world. In a name - Judge Ginsburg.
What more would you ask?
Jaibones on June 8, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Hey, Sparkly. Not so complicated, is it?
Jaibones on June 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Indy Conservative on June 7, 2008 at 11:00 PM, said:
Well, that was way more information than 99% of the readers of this thread wanted to have thrust on them!
But, let’s consider the up-side — you, Indy, can take quite literally my prior recommendation that you gather up your whole program of pessimism and mentally shove it. Now, it would appear that you can really do so!
Come November, someone will be elected President, and will pursue an agenda that will have some serious and indefeasible effects on our lives and our future.
Thankfully, it will not be you, nor anyone who “thinks” like you.
But it will matter who wins. John McCain was not my first choice, but I believe absolutely that he’s a damn sight better choice for our future than Barack Obama.
Regardless of your puerile assessment of our civilization, we are where we are. And we must proceed from here.
You are merely attempting to play the role of an intellectul incubus, with your simplistic talking points, throwing up your hands and declaring us all idiots and a lost cause.
Bunk . . . all of it!
Now, go take that nap by the side of the road.
Trochilus on June 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM
I’m no fan of McCain’s; if fact, I think McCain’s army (the gang of 14) was one of the most harmful political stunts of recent times. However, McCain does deserve credit for voting with Republicans on most of the really important issues including the GWOT and the protection of the American homeland.
On the other hand, Obama has voted 100% with Liberals, Never has Obama crossed over the isle to work together with a Republican. Never has Obama attempted to UNIFY fellow Senators. His words are pure bullshit when compared to his actions.
Keemo on June 8, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Come November, when I see how McCain and his supporters got shoved, I’ll be laughing so hard I’ll poop on myself.
Indy Conservative on June 8, 2008 at 2:24 PM
Anybody know the Farsi word for “crank”?
SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Believe me, you don’t wanna know.
Take cover.
Indy Conservative on June 8, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Do not meddle with perfection.
Indy is a god, in his own mind.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Do not meddle with perfection.
Indy is a god, in his own mind
A clueless one at that.
Which is the worst kind. It’s one thing to be a boor; but not to know one is a boor - indeed, to insist that everyone else is a boor - makes it even worse.
Sorta’. ‘Cause after awhile, it’s like the person on the bus or subway who’s talking to himself. You just shrug it off and go about your day.
SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Heh. Well you can keep him then! :)
I can’t attribute perfection to people who think their opinion should override Constitutional law, as IC thinks re: Islam, nor do I measure perfection to be a closed mind re: events that change.
BUT I recognize the ability of such things to amuse, so he’s all yours!
Spirit of 1776 on June 8, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Indy Conservative on June 8, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Pooping on yourself & getting an erection; all on the same thread… Wow
Keemo on June 8, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Yep. He was the arguing that we should get rid of the Electoral College.
terryannonline on June 8, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Quite a feat.
Here’s the Farsi word for crank:
دسته محور، ميل لنگ ، بست زانويي ، خم ، پيچيدگي ، ادم پست فطرت ، خم كردن ، محورداركردن ، دسته دار شدن ، كج ، كوك كردن.
Loses something in the translation, no?
SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 3:16 PM
SteveMG, haven’t you noticed that with Indy you can ignore him, needle him, or amuse him, or be amused by him?
To him it makes no difference. It’s totally up to you what you choose.
He’s as smart as a whip, with a truly unique style.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 3:17 PM
And the dissolution of the 1st amendment to destroy Islam in America. Praying upon fear, using anger and hatred, are the stepping stones of dictators. I reject that ideology from the left or right.
Spirit of 1776 on June 8, 2008 at 3:20 PM
I will, gladly. Eccentric people are not boring.
Nuance. The “perfection” thing is just in gist (JiangxiDad, take note - I learned), and to annoy. He’s way too smart to think himself to be perfect. Otherwise, rib him over it. He deserves it, and can take it.
Shhhhh, you know it, but don’t wake up flenser. He’s my new friend, once he internalizes that it’s a good thing.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Anyone who believes that they are always right and everyone else is always wrong doesn’t meet my definition of smart. It’s certainly not my standard of a “conservative”, someone who recognizes the limits of human understanding.
None of his posts ever seem to indicate that if the facts change, one changes one’s views as well.
SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 3:33 PM
I cannot agree with those who rank modesty among the virtues. To the logician all things should be seen exactly as they are, and to underestimate one’s self is as much a departure from truth as to exaggerate one’s own powers.
Holmes on June 8, 2008 at 4:08 PM
Ah, you mean he is trolling. Well that explains why his posts are hyperbolic and indefensible. (And I don’t know why JD told you :D but I think you mean “jest”). And eh, if that’s true, I’d rather just ignore him. Whether he deserves it or not, it’s a waste of my time.
Spirit of 1776 on June 8, 2008 at 4:10 PM
why=what
Spirit of 1776 on June 8, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Behind every little problem there’s a larger problem, waiting for the little problem to get out of the way.
Murphy9 on June 8, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Always remember, if you succeed in annoying people you must be doing something right.
Murphy9 on June 8, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Look on the bright side, it’s never so bad it couldn’t be worse.
Murphy9 on June 8, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Heh. Are you telling me I need to re-evaluate my life choices and try to be more annoying? :)
Spirit of 1776 on June 8, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Spirit, of course, the gist of it is that he meant it in jest. :) There! Thank you both, you and JxD.
He, of course, won’t care, either way. He’s probably broken a bunch of mirrors by now, kissing them is self-adulation, as he often states.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 4:17 PM
If all else fails, hit it with a big hammer.
Murphy9 on June 8, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Attitude is not everything, but it annoys enough people that it’s worth the effort.
Can’t remember who said it. Also, there are many kinds of attitude.
Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 4:19 PM
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