The moment America became the leader of the Free World
posted at 10:00 am on June 6, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Photo: Company E, 16th Infantry, 1st Infantry Division landing onto Omaha Beach from a Coastguard landing craft (from the U.S. Coast Guard-manned USS Samuel Chase) on D-Day. (Chief Photographer’s Mate (CPHOM) Robert F. Sargent)
Sixty-four years ago today, Allied forces swept onto the beaches of Normandy to liberate France and put an end to Nazi domination of Europe. The D-Day assault comprised American, Canadian, and British forces, but the Americans led, and for the most part the Americans bled, especially on Omaha. This position of leadership and sacrifice heralded the emergence of America as the primary Western power, but on that day, no one could say for sure that we would succeed:
On June 5, 1944, General Eisenhower took advantage of a break in stormy weather to order the invasion of “fortress Europe.” In the hours before dawn, June 6, 1944, one British and two U.S. airborne divisions dropped behind the beaches. After sunrise, British, Canadian, and U.S. troops began to move ashore. The British and Canadians met modest opposition. Units of the U.S. VII Corps quickly broke through defenses at a beach code-named UTAH and began moving inland, making contact with the airborne troops within twenty-four hours. But heavy German fire swept OMAHA, the other American landing area. Elements of the 1st and 29th Infantry Divisions and the 2d and 5th Ranger Battalions clung precariously to a narrow stretch of stony beach until late in the day, when they were finally able to advance, outflanking the German positions.
American and British beachheads linked up within days. While the Allies raced to build up supplies and reserves, American and British fighter aircraft and guerrillas of the French resistance blocked movement of German reinforcements. On the ground, Allied troops besieged Cherbourg and struggled to expand southward through the entangling Norman hedgerows. Earthen embankments hundreds of years old, matted with the roots of trees and shrubs, the hedgerows divided the countryside into thousands of tiny fields. The narrow roads, sunk beneath the level of the surrounding countryside, became deathtraps for tanks and vehicles. Crossroads villages were clusters of solidly built medieval stone buildings, ideal for defense. Small numbers of German infantry, dug into the embankments with machine guns and mortars and a tank or two or a few antitank guns for support, made advancing across each field costly.
On the first day, the Allies lost a total of 2500 troops, with another 7500 wounded. Within a week, the Allies had landed over 325,000 troops onto the beachheads of Normandy, and spent another month struggling to break out of the hedgerow country in the area. By mid-July, the victory had become so obvious that members of the German officer corps finally tried to assassinate Adolf Hitler to end the conflict.
The attack was a marvel of planning and cooperation between the Allies and the French Resistance. Mistakes were made, and men unnecessarily lost as a result. However, the largest amphibious invasion in human history eventually succeeded, overpowering fortified defenses seen as impenetrable. It dashed the remaining shreds of the fantasy of German invincibility and began the long, slow collapse of the Nazis.
Americans, Brits, and Canadians, most just out of their teens, poured onto those beaches to rescue a world gone mad. They sloshed slowly through waist-deep water and the crossfire of machine guns to liberate France and to stop the German war machine, and to defend the Western concepts of freedom and liberty against the forces of darkness and genocide. The Americans, who had started the European theater of war badly in North Africa and roundly dismissed by the Brits (after Kasserine Pass, for understandable reasons), had proven that democratic republics can produce the kind of men needed to defend them.
We owe these men, and our allies, the deepest gratitude and unfailing admiration for their sacrifice.
Update: I feel a little like Patton in the excellent movie of his exploits in WWII; I’m getting criticized for not mentioning the Soviet role in defeating the Nazis. Yes, obviously the Soviets bled far more than we did and pounded the Nazis, but let’s remember that it was the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact that put them in that position. If Stalin had listened to Churchill, the Nazis would have been stopped at Poland rather than at the gates of Moscow and Stalingrad, and may not have moved in that direction at all.
Moreover, the Soviets hardly “liberated” eastern Europe. Those unfortunate nations wound up with an equally oppressive regime, if not quite as murderous. And the Soviets didn’t participate in D-Day, either, and the point of this post was to honor our own sacrifice.
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If D-Day happened today the typical headline would be horrendous to say the least.
NotCoach on June 6, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Awesome!!!
We all owe them more thanks then we can ever give
tottoritodd on June 6, 2008 at 10:05 AM
The Longest Day – a view from the ground
Limerick on June 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Thank God it was a different time . . . if it happened today the brain dead media would have demanded retreat half way through the first day and Democrats would have declared the war lost. God save us from ourselves.
rplat on June 6, 2008 at 10:07 AM
Indeed, D-Day was evidence that even from the deepest darkness can appear a beacon of hope for the world. One of the most important days in all of recorded history, if you ask me.
Wineaholic on June 6, 2008 at 10:07 AM
Sixty four years later and the USA is still the head of the spear against fascism and the domination of the world by sinister forces. It doesn’t get done, unless the USA loses it’s heroes.
So endeth today’s lesson.
Hening on June 6, 2008 at 10:10 AM
You could have heard a pin drop…….
A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of Officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English.’ He then asked, ‘Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking French? ‘Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied ‘Maybe it’s because the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans arranged it so you wouldn’t have to speak German.’ You could have heard a pin drop.
Rovin on June 6, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Yes, but really not as many mistakes as you’d imagine in this type of operation, which is amazing.
The casualties were actually much lower than anticipated. That’s a scary thought. I think the Allies lost 2 out of every 7 men, when they had planned on at least twice that number.
reaganaut on June 6, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Another wonderful post, Ed. Your tributes to the troops are highly regarded and I have been using them to spread the word about your wonderful prose.
Dont forget American Legion founder Theodore Roosevelt Junior at Utah Beach. The only general who landed with the force and recieved the medal of Honor even though he walked with a cane and was 54 years old.
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Rovin, choice quote.
I have to sigh when I read about D-Day, the heroism of Americans, and how great this country truly is.
Or do I have to say was? Those were the days, those were the people.
This is the greatest country in the world, and it hurts me to see it in the midst of a death of a thousand cuts. Hopefully that greatness will awaken in time and return America to its rightful place.
Darksean on June 6, 2008 at 10:16 AM
June 7, 1944, CNN and MSNBC report the invasion has resulted in an intractable quagmire, it’s a hopeless failure and we should begin negotiating our withdrawal from Europe.
JammieWearingFool on June 6, 2008 at 10:17 AM
This is one of the many reasons I love Tom Hanks, despite his politics. He and Spielberg have always honored the Troops and Americas Heroes. Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, John Adams, Apollo 13 and From the Earth to the Moon.
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 10:18 AM
It is important to keep these brave men and women in our thoughts and prayers. They are leaving us at a rapid rate. Hug them and respect them. Never forget what they did for us.
BobK on June 6, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Obama would have wanted to meet with Hitler. He could have avoided all of this, if he just could have reasoned with him.
Hening on June 6, 2008 at 10:21 AM
*salutes*
Yakko77 on June 6, 2008 at 10:22 AM
“Wounds my heart with a monotonous languor…”
Mike Honcho on June 6, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Today is an important day in my family, for a number of reasons. My grandfather took part in D-Day, and growing up I relished hearing his war stories and thoughts about this historic moment (although his Korea stories were more colorful and entertaining). Three years ago today, I gave birth to my twins, the eldest of which is named for that grandfather. They’re still a little young now, but I look forward to the day that I can retell those stories to the boys and let them know the significance of their birthday. They already like old war movies and the History Channel, so we’re off to a good start.
On a tangent – there’s a very good reason why my grandfather’s generation was the Greatest Generation. I get tears of pride thinking of all that they did – they were great Americans. And part of me is so ashamed that my generation is the polar opposite – so self-centered and hard-hearted. I do not think that my grandchildren will be as proud of is as I am of my grandparents’ generation. It’s saddening, and it’s maddening.
Anna on June 6, 2008 at 10:26 AM
Obama to meet with Hitler on Tuesday without preconditions.
subbottomfeeder on June 6, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Thanks for posting this, Ed, I knew you wouldn’t let us down. Thank you D-Day vets! As Yakko would say – ‘SALUTE!”
Imagine being a German soldier (or a Romainian or Polish conscript) looking out at the Atlantic and seeing more ships than water, looking up and seeing more planes than sky. I be thinking ‘Goebbles lied to us!’
Tony737 on June 6, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Spielberg’s political hero is Fidel Castro.
mymanpotsandpans on June 6, 2008 at 10:28 AM
The British have always despised us, as soldiers and as people. We should stop begging for their approval and admiration. It’s unhealthy and weird.
mymanpotsandpans on June 6, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Note I said Politics Aside
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Would any of the HA denizens like to recommend a book about WWII?
I’m looking for something pretty exhaustive but not overly tedious. I’d like to see some personal stories, but I’m also very interested in the planning and tactics involved in our victories.
Thanks.
Darksean on June 6, 2008 at 10:31 AM
They have fallen pretty far, in my years of working with them, I found then to be tactically deficent and some of the worst shiphandlers ever, worse even than the Italians.
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Last book about the topic I read was the bio of TR Jr.
There is alot about the tactics in WWI and WWII
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 10:33 AM
… I look forward to the day that I can retell those stories to the boys … Anna
You’re a good mommy!
*salutes*
Yakko77
Ya beat me to it! I was still typing :-)
Tony737 on June 6, 2008 at 10:34 AM
The American Legion is trying to defend America, again. But I’m not sure America even wants to exist any more.
flenser on June 6, 2008 at 10:35 AM
The Hour Is Go
One’s eyes close tight and families fade,
When going to war which evil men made.
Though anxious and frightened, we don’t let it show,
For the day is approaching, when the Airborne must go.
Each day now rolls past; we wait just the same,
But D-Day is near, and for this we all came.
The hour grows near; each man feels it inside,
And soon we’ll be falling, with nowhere to hide.
Our eyes are now down and the chatter the same,
Each weapon now loaded, no longer a game.
Eagles gather round and bow your heads low,
Europe awaits and the hour is go.
Planes rumble past as we wait for our turn,
To fly over waters we have yet to each earn.
Checked buckles and straps, left nothing to chance,
The Jumpmaster stands, calls “Welcome to France.”
Flak turns to fire in the blackest of night,
Too low, too fast, can’t jump from this height.
There’s no turning back, the risk has been taken,
Free fall into hell, paratroopers forsaken.
Eagles hold tight, scattered prayers to survive,
We’ll hit the ground soon, whether dead or alive.
As feet touch the ground, each soldier turns on,
Confusion and fear are beaten and gone.
The enemy is close and sad they don’t know
The Airborne is here, it’s time they must go.
The hour is now, Hitler’s had his last chance,
On St. Michael’s wings, we’re taking back France.
Francis J. Turner
Yes, its also from Medal of Honor: Spearhead
BohicaTwentyTwo on June 6, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Darksean on June 6, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Years ago I enjoyed the books by Cornelius Ryan, The Longest Day, A Bridge to Far and The last Battle. He did a wonderful job of weaving in personel stories with the events
JonM on June 6, 2008 at 10:42 AM
I’d argue that it’s because of the sacrifices of those men that many today have the luxury of keeping out of war. Because they showed their bravery that day, America was seen as strong, strong enough that it doesn’t have to fight.
We do owe them much.
Esthier on June 6, 2008 at 10:44 AM
Thank you. We’re strong believers in oral traditions, and now that my grandfather has lost those memories (age and health), I’m probably the only one in the family that remembers them.
My mom is a member of the VFW, and when she would take us with her I would talk with the old timers about their experiences (she would show the grandkids off). The things I have heard – I soak it up. When these heroes die, so do their memories unless they have been passed on. I encourage everyone to sit down with a vet and let ‘em talk. : )
Anna on June 6, 2008 at 10:44 AM
If today’s press had covered Kasserine Pass, Anzio and Guadalcanal, I don’t know if D-Day would have happened, and almost all of Europe would have ended up being occupied by the Red Army.
forest on June 6, 2008 at 10:45 AM
DarkSean,
Stephen Ambrose wrote a number of good books on WWII, any of them are worth reading. “Citizen Soldiers” is one; the names of the others escape me at the moment. “Band of Brothers” (what the series was based on) is also very good. If you like historical fiction, Leon Uris’ “Mila 18″ (on the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto) and “Battle Cry” (Marines in the Pacific) are very good, especially “Battle Cry.”
exhelodrvr on June 6, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Thank you, to every one of these brave men. I hope like hell that the courage they displayed still exists today, should we have to call upon it.
MadisonConservative on June 6, 2008 at 10:49 AM
3393 Americans are dead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Z3rjR3mo4
scottm on June 6, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Anna,
The National Archives in Wash DC has the military unit records (everything from battle reports to daily muster sheets to disciplinary reports). If you know the specific unit that your grandfather was in, you can go there (it has to be in person), research and get copies made. Their website has more information. You can also request copies of the individual personnel records; unfortunately about half of them from that era were destroyed in a fire back in the ’60s.
One of my uncles was killed in Normandy (on Flag Day) and is buried in the cemetery there. (He was in the 29th division, 116th Regiment.)
exhelodrvr on June 6, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Perhaps some of you who are up on the history can tell me: what would have happened to an ankle-biter like Harry Reid back in those days, saying “the war is lost” when it manifestly was not?
smellthecoffee on June 6, 2008 at 10:53 AM
I really cannot imagine being inside the hull of one of those landing craft. To know you are soon going to be walking into the fire, and possibly into the great beyond, is a feeling I can’t imagine.
blatantblue on June 6, 2008 at 10:55 AM
I see the same spirit in our troops today that I see in the WWII generation. Even the gals have learned from our grand parents.
God bless the greatest generation for their example of sacrificing for others. Without them, God knows where we’d be today.
csdeven on June 6, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Very well written Ed.
Diogenes of Sinope on June 6, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Squid:
Roosevelt was not the only General to land with the troops. I believe all the Assistant Divsion Commanders did. BG Norman Cota of the 29th ID organized the push off of Omaha beach
jerryofva on June 6, 2008 at 11:00 AM
I’m saddened by the fact that in a factory that employs over 700 people, I could not find one person who knew the significance of this date in history.
Teach your children folks, lest our heroes are forgotten.
Kowboy on June 6, 2008 at 11:05 AM
God bless all of our troops, past, present & future.
VikingGoneWild on June 6, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Yes but Cota did not arrive with the first wave.
Roosevelt was the only star on the beach when the well deck opened.
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 11:07 AM
NEVER FORGET…especially that the Norman French billed the US for damage to property, crops and farm animals that occurred during the invasion.
rotorhead on June 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM
My friend and room-mate at the VA Nursing Home is back in there, so I’m off to visit him this afternoon and bring him a few goodies. He was one of those guys jumping into France D-Day morning. Another friend there, “Hollywood Frankie” was a waist gunner on a B-17. There were others there but not many. They truly are “The Greatest Generation”. I love and salute them!
GeneSmith on June 6, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Thanks for the book advice!! I’ll definitely pick some of those up.
Darksean on June 6, 2008 at 11:14 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! No, I get it that history is always viewed not as a pure science but a vehicle to instill patriotism. Russia is also guilty of the same thing. But it’s still too damn funny.
freevillage on June 6, 2008 at 11:17 AM
“The Longest Day” & “A Bridge Too Far” by Cornelius Ryan. Both would be a good start point and are pretty easy reads.
VikingGoneWild on June 6, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Eisenhower also had a speech ready … in case D-Day failed.
(Nowadays it would have been leaked to the media on June 4th and the entire attempt undermined.)
Just met an 84 year old vet who drove supply trucks off Normandy Beach, and through France, then into Germany, and came home through Italy.
Got my quiet thanks and the first literal salute I’ve given in years to anyone.
profitsbeard on June 6, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Russia does not win without the opening of the Western Front. Russia does not win without the resilience of Britain. That is how alliances work.
Thank you for your in-depth analysis, It gave us a look into the minds of the clinically stupid.
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 11:21 AM
My dad was in the Navy for 20 years and was a die-hard woodworker his whole life. I remember spending many many weekends in the shop with him watching him work, learning from him, and helping out with his projects. He always had the TV on and tuned in to a John Wayne movie or a movie about WWII. To this day those movies depicting the best about our country remain my favorites. I loved watching the courage, resolutness, honor, and determination of the characters. When I watch them now I wonder what has happened to our country. It seems we’ve lost so much.
DerKrieger on June 6, 2008 at 11:21 AM
And I can’t count the number of model ships and planes I built as a kid. Both plastic and balsa. My favorite was the F4U Corsair.
DerKrieger on June 6, 2008 at 11:24 AM
A bit of WWII humor to go with the pride…
You might be a bit lost, but think of all those WWII submarine movies you watched as a kid…The setting: A U.S. sub on surface patrol out in the Pacific….Christmas Eve..
…………………
Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the boat
Was a smell from the galley, of cinnamon toast.
The fish were all hung in their racks with great care,
In hopes that a tanker would come by our lair.
The thrid watch were nestled all snug in their bunks,
Sleeping right through all the rattles and clunks.
The XO in his slicker, and I in my cap,
We plotted a course, across this big map.
When out on the bridge there arose such a clatter,
I sprang up the ladder to see what was the matter.
Away to the starboard, just out of reach,
A big juicy freighter was racing for the beach.
The sun was just setting on an ocean of gold,
As the target ran onward, who-knows-what in her hold.
When what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a second big freighter, running for a pier.
With a spring in my step, and a crack in my voice
I barked down to orders, of our attack course.
More rapid than lightning, my crew sprang alive
And worked like the dickens to prepare for the dive.
“Now Boswain! now, Sparky! now, Greasemonkey and Nixon!
On, Cummings! On, stupid! on Sonar and Blitzen!
Over then wavetops, and down between swells!
Flank speed! Now faster! Let’s send em to hell!”
As torpedoes were loaded, and levers were pulled
I was proud of my crew, they were magnificently schooled.
The boat cut the waves, as we closed down the range
While the TDC wizard, crunched numbers in his brain
And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the speaker
The solution was iffy, it was going to be a squeaker
I sent down the deck watch, and scrambled below,
Screaming ‘periscope depth! GO GO GO GO!’
Staring through the great eye, I whistled a tune,
Gave bearing and mark! We had to shoot soon!
I looked at the XO, and he at the chart
Then ‘Fire when ready’, and four fish made their start.
The seconds were counted down, tick-tick-tick
As the torps sailed forward, lickedy split
And then to our wonderous ears came the sound
BOOM!BOOM!BOOM! and loud cheering all around!
I sprang to the scope, and to the team gave a whistle
One freighter was gone, to three of our missles.
Reaching for the mic, I passed out the word
‘Merry Christmas to all, now let’s get this other bird’.
Limerick on June 6, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Instead of being sarcastic, let me answer this seriously.
Yes, of course they would win. The Western front wasn’t anything like the Eastern front in terms the amount and quality of German forces. At the same time, clearly the losses would be even higher. I said it explicitly: in Russia the contribution of Allies tends to be overlooked, INCORRECTLY SO.
I don’t care to give you an in-depth analysis. It’s not like you gave me anything other than meaningless generalities. The analysis is written in the books. The amounts of troops, machinery etc on the Western and Eastern fronts. It’s your stupid religion that the US won the WWII. I’m not really on a mission to overturn it. But of course I’m not gonna embrace it.
freevillage on June 6, 2008 at 11:27 AM
DerKrieger at 11:21 AM-
It’s called importing those with contempt for your culture and teaching historical self-loathing to your children.
A potentially fatal combo.
profitsbeard on June 6, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Whoops! I just got to your post!
VikingGoneWild on June 6, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Teach your children folks, lest our heroes are forgotten. – Kowboy
Roger that.
We took our 18 month old daughter to the air museum at Dover AFB last week. She LOVED it! Start teaching ‘em while they’re young and they’ll grow up to be patriots.
Tony737 on June 6, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Ed, this is really good.
Here is a link for people who like to read what happened after D-Day.
These are some of the emails and letters of the 89th Infantry Division. I have met one gentlemen in particular that I am looking forward to see this August, Mr. Herbaly is a great treasure.
upinak on June 6, 2008 at 11:33 AM
I never said that, that is why I mentioned that it is an ALLIANCE.
BTW, my stupid religion is the one that got liberated from the camps in the east.
The ALLIES won WWII, together.
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 11:34 AM
We have called on them. And they have responded.
Just a sample:
Robert Joe Montgomery Jr
Monica Lin Brown
Jill Stevens
WildBillK on June 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM
‘Merry Christmas to all, now let’s get this other bird’.
Limerick on June 6, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Outstanding!
Tony737 on June 6, 2008 at 11:39 AM
freevillage,
The Soviets would not have won without LendLease support, and the second and third fronts (the second front wasa actually campaign in Italy, which chewed up large amounts of German men and materiel, is often ignored). At the same time, the Allies in the west would not have been able to win if the Soviet Union had fallen.
The Allies in the west needed the Soviets, and vice versa.
And everyone can be thankful that Hitler did not expect his submarine forces to play a major role, and thus they were a very small part of the German navy when the war started. Had they put more resources into that area, and less into the Tirpitz/Bismarck/commerce raiders, Great Britain probably falls.
On a somewhat related note, while in West Berlin in 1979 I watched an East German broadcast of a Soviet “documentary” (with German subtitles) on WWII. Until that point, I had not realized that the USSR did most of the heavy lifting in Pacifc theatre.
exhelodrvr on June 6, 2008 at 11:40 AM
The WWII, yes. Europe was liberated from the Nazis mostly by the Russian effort. The significance of the D-Day is way overrated. Much like, for instance declaring a war to Japan by the USSR is overrated in Russia. America already beat Japan.
The D-Day is not unimportant, and it saved many lives but your initial contention:
is pure insanity. And then you call me stupid. I mean… Oh, well, nevermind. By that time the USSR was in Hungary, Finland, Poland and Romania. Do you know anything other than that “the US is #1!!1″ ?
freevillage on June 6, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Success like from D-Day only happens when people TRY
multiuseless on June 6, 2008 at 11:43 AM
You know free, I have been reading your posts. I am sure you really don’t have any clue about WWII or wars in general.
Did you know that we were dropping food aid into Russia for quite a while, due to their famine outbreaks and crops not growing during the first part of the World War. Yet American it self was not part of the war until a year later.
Did you also know we were shipping not just food, but clothing to the Russians parts of England and France, 6 months before we went to war.
Did you know that we, as a Nation, had lost so much by then that we understood where our European friends, not just Allies, were going to be at since we were still in a depression.
Free, do you really understand what our Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers (and in some cases Fathers) had to do? Even our Mother’s Mother! Why don’t you go talk to a Veteran at a home for them. Ask them what they had to do, and if you get as snide as you are now with the people in here, I bet that WWII or other Veteran will smack you upside the head.
upinak on June 6, 2008 at 11:43 AM
You’re exactly right. The Soviet propaganda about the WWII is very related to how America views that war.
freevillage on June 6, 2008 at 11:44 AM
Free doesn’t get it, and it isn’t worth trying to explain anymore. I guess Ignorance is bliss.
And West Germany is changing… if you haven’t been there in a while. It is starting to look quite nice, but still has the reminders of the old.
upinak on June 6, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Alright. The essence is: I am stupid and somebody will kick my ass. Wow.
freevillage on June 6, 2008 at 11:46 AM
I beg to differ. There were plenty of times we didn’t fight. BUT, there is also a time where we have to. It honors them by showing this country is still worth fighting for. Radical Islam is a much greater threat than the Nazi’s could ever dream. Once again we are fighting to save the world. I don’t know about you, but dhimmi status is not how I plan to spend my elder years.
HotAirExpert on June 6, 2008 at 11:48 AM
By June 1944, the Russians had been advancing across Eastern Europe toward Germany for 18 months. After Stalingrad (reputedly the bloodiest battle in human history) the Germans were unable to do anything more than slow the Russian advance. They were already crossing Poland in June of 1944. Barring a miracle, I don’t see a realistic scenario under which the the Russians would not have taken all of Germany by the end of 1945, regardless of whether the Normandy invasion had launched.
I believe its fairly well-accepted by historians that the Russian advance and its implications for a postwar Soviet-dominated Europe was as much a motivator for the Normandy invasion as was the need to decisively defeat Germany. Without an Allied invasion, all of Western Europe would have ended up under Russian control. The west would have little influence o the shape of postwar Europe. This was obviously Stalin’s plan — just look at what happened to Eastern Europe after the war.
None of this in any way detracts from the brilliant heroism and sacrifice of the Americans at Normandy. It just means they served two great causes rather than one — the first was the defeat of the reprehensibly evil Nazi regime; the second was ensuring that the Nazi regime was not replaced with one that was similarly tyrannical.
Cicero43 on June 6, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Brilliant on every single count.
freevillage on June 6, 2008 at 11:50 AM
June 6, 1944 to May 7, 1945… Less than a year.
I’d say it was long and slow for the Russians out on the Eastern Front, but the Western Front once we got out of the hedgerows was anything but.
Vatican Watcher on June 6, 2008 at 11:52 AM
God bless all our troops, past and present.
http://newt.org/FDRDDayPrayer/tabid/241/Default.aspx
joeswampy on June 6, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Nah, they would be happy about the pressure being taken off of Stalin and kept their mouths shut about it.
Akzed on June 6, 2008 at 11:52 AM
upinak,
It’s been about 25 years since I’ve been in Germany; I went a number of times with the Navy during the late 70’s-early 80’s, and a couple of times to visit my sister, who was stationed there with the Army. I would love to go back again; my great grandparents were born there, and came over in the late 1800’s.
Interestingly, the uncle who was killed in Normandy spoke German before he spoke English (farmers in a very German-heavy part of North Dakota), and my mother had second cousins in the German army, one of whom spent three years during the war in the U.S. at a POW camp.
exhelodrvr on June 6, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Allies…
For an in depth look at the nuts and bolts of the War in Europe I suggest two books:
‘When Titans Clashed’ – David Glantz (East Front)
‘Eisenhower at War’ – David Eisenhower (West Front)
As for the most inspiring story, IMO,
‘Ship of Ghosts’ – James Hornfischer (USS Houston/HMAS Perth story)
Limerick on June 6, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Douglas Reeman wrote a number of very good novels about the war, too.
exhelodrvr on June 6, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Isn’t it odd how Wars work out that way.
I am of german heritage, even though I don’t know much. I do know my Great Grandfather was in WWI, who spoke German and when not fixing Enlisted mens teeth, he was a translationist for the U.S. but was asked to remain as a Dentist because they did not want his cover blown. Very odd but always a good story.
I do know some German relatives died, but I don’t have all the paperwork and I can’t read German.
I was all over Germany in March 2007. I had a blast and learned so much. It was absolutely stunning! Berlin and the West side has changed from the pictures I saw as a child. There are buildings I do not even recognize. The wall mostly gone makes it interesting to walk through the city. You still see some remains of it. The berliner Dom is absolutely gorgeous!
upinak on June 6, 2008 at 12:06 PM
To free village and the rest of you that want to give the Soviet Union all credit for winning the war: Of course they did the bulk of the fighting, they were invaded we weren’t. They were fighting on their home soil. They were fighting for thier own homes, not commumism, regardless of the cosmo/liberal/socialist line.
The United States, Great Britain, Australia, NZ, and Canada were not invaded. They spent their blood voluntarily defending and freeing the people of Eurobe and SE Asia — a gift freely given. All on both east and west fronts were brave. However, after spending some years in Europe eating C-rations, I can tell you the soviets had a rougher time of it. You see, all the Germans fought the Russians on the eastern front. I never found one German that fought the Americans on the weatern front, and Art Buchwald in a column in the Herald Tribune noted that also.
Old Country Boy on June 6, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Actually that isn’t totally true. With the help of German money, Japan invaded Alaska on the islands of ATTU, Shemya, Adak and then bombed the fishing town of Dutch Harbour/Unalaska…. which Alaska, at the time was a Territory. But I guess that doesn’t matter.
upinak on June 6, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force!
You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you.
In company with our brave Allies and brothers-in-arms on
other Fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German war machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world.
Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well equipped and battle hardened. He will fight savagely.
But this is the year 1944! Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of 1940-41. The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats, in open battle, man-to-man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our Home
Fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men. The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to Victory!
I have full confidence in your courage and devotion to duty and skill in battle. We will accept nothing less than full Victory!
Good luck! And let us beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking.
SIGNED: Dwight D. Eisenhower
TheEJS on June 6, 2008 at 12:18 PM
That’s exactly right. In fact, when the Germans invaded the Ukraine and the Baltics, much of the population saw them as liberators and were inclined to support them against Russia. It was only after the locals witnessed the savagery of the Nazis firsthand that they figured they were better off fighting with the Russians. There was no love there for communism or the Russians; the Russians were just the best of two very bad alternatives.
Cicero43 on June 6, 2008 at 12:20 PM
My Father hit the beaches at Okinawa and turned 18 ten days later. Do you suppose that there are there that many boys here today like those heroic troops that liberated the world in it’s darkest hours? Certainly there are many now doing that dreadful work all over the globe, but do we still have that sameness of purpose today?
Rovin on June 6, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Smile when you say damn yankee…
juanito on June 6, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Sidenote:
Please don’t forget that the Soviet Union was also an AGGRESSOR, allied with the Third Reich at the start of the war, and guaranteeing complete Polish collapse on 17 Sept 1939 (contrary to popular “blitzkrieg” notions, the Polish Armies had been able to fall back fairly well).
But today’s not about the “Great Patriotic War”, it’s about the young men of Allied Nations being thrown up against, in some cases, the best Hitler could offer and winning.
TheEJS on June 6, 2008 at 12:25 PM
If you read what I actually wrote, as opposed to what somebody think I implied, then you will see that I never said America wasn’t a key contributor to the victory in the WWII or anything of the sort. I was arguing, as always, a very narrow point: Europe was liberated from the Nazis primarily by the Soviets.
It doesn’t mean they were the only ones fighting there. It doesn’t mean there wasn’t heroism on the Western front. It doesn’t mean I’m not aware of the landlease. It doesn’t mean I don’t know the WWII was fought not just in Europe.
It means that the very sentence “D-Day is when America became the leader of the free world” (Don’t you want to vomit from saying that in any context? Would you say, “my family is the greatest”, even if there were objective reasons to say that? Oh but I’m digressing.) is stupid propaganda not supported by the history of the WWII in Europe.
freevillage on June 6, 2008 at 12:28 PM
TheEJS,
“Please don’t forget that the Soviet Union was also an AGGRESSOR”
Absolutely, and in the post-war years they did not live up to the Yalta agreement re Eastern Europe and what became East Germany.
exhelodrvr on June 6, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Upinak. Your right, although were talking about Europe and D-Day. By the way, was this battle of the Aleutians before or after 7/2/41? No denigration is intended and full honor and thanksgiving for those who defended Alaska; but was that invasion/battle of the same magnitude as Barbarossa?, Stalingrad?, CBI?- in the minds of the Allies? Everyone who served deserve honor, whether they fought or not. Even George Gobel kept the Japs from bombing Tulsa.
Thats everyone who served, including the Eastern European Allies.
Old Country Boy on June 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh……………
It is pretty simple….attacks in the West pulled troops from the East. Attacks in the East, pulled troops from the West. The Third Reich had to constantly shift forces based on who was driving and who was regrouping.
Brings us back to the Allies won the war. All of em.
Limerick on June 6, 2008 at 12:34 PM
* The Russkies certainly did some heavy lifting. Stalingrad broke the Wehrmacht and Kursk destroyed it. On the other hand, Stalin’s deal to partition Poland with Hitler was the starting flag for the Euro war; they kinda earned it.
* To take some of the bloom off the Greatest Generation Studs Terkel did a disparaging overview of the home front in “The Good War.”
* Today we’d see headlines and punditry wailing how France didn’t attack us, FDR’s only doing it for the oil or he’s got hidden ownership in Higgins Boat Co. blah blah blah.
D Day was a great effort and may be the one date remembered from the war. December 7th may be but May 8th and Aug 14th are not remembered. 10 million Americans went into uniform and froze in bombers over the flak infested skies of Germany, baked on malarial sand spits in the Pacific, fought over the rubble of Roman ruins in Italy and Africa, dodged uboats in the North Atlantic and kamikases in the Pacific. There’s alot of thanks to go around.
i b squidly on June 6, 2008 at 12:34 PM
There’s a War to be Won by Geoffrey Perret. How a newly raised army lost one battle and won over a hundred in an unbroken string taking the offensive against experienced, numerically superior foes at the end of supply lines stretching halfway across the world. How that army was “imagined into being,” how it was structured and armed, what it was built to do, how it fought and won, and how the soldiers experienced it.
Every chapter is a history in itself, from the infantry rifle that took forty years to design and the gun invented by a prisoner serving life for murder to the pacifist who wouldn’t fire a shot but won the Medal of Honor for saving lives in combat.
A magnificent book.
njcommuter on June 6, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Amen
charlie36r on June 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Since I am a yuongin… I had to google/yahoo it. I remember learning about it when I was a child in school.. before they stopped teaching about it.
This link is the best I got and what I remember:
On the 6th of June, 1942 at 22:27 hrs, the Japanese No. 3 Special Landing Party and 500 Marines went ashore at Kiska.
upinak on June 6, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Actually, freevillage, in a narrow context I agree with you. We did not become the leader of the free world on D-Day. We became the leader when we nuked Japan and assembled more and better nukes and delivery systems than anyone else, and did this with the humility and forebearance not to use them again. We became the leader when we forgave and helped our enemies. No, however, I don’t just want to vomit when some well meaning person poses an opinion with which I disaree. I reserve my eructations for bad likker and bad areobatics.
Old Country Boy on June 6, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Sure the Soviet front was larger in scope and scale, and the German’s were on the defensive by June 1944, but they certainly weren’t defeated. Things would have turned out much differently if Hitler had decieded to Bulge to the east instead of west in December 1944.
BohicaTwentyTwo on June 6, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Roughly three times larger.
freevillage on June 6, 2008 at 12:42 PM
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