McCain campaign manager: His stance on immigration’s pretty sweet for a general campaign
posted at 4:40 pm on June 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I.e. if you’re holding your breath waiting for him to run that background check on Juan Hernandez that he’s been promising for months, it might be time to exhale. Geraldo 1, conservatives 0:
Perhaps most ominously to those who would prefer a Republican presidential candidate who echoed talk radio on the issue, illegal immigration, Davis noted that McCain’s history of stands on immigration that caused him such grief in the GOP primaries “may suit to fit him in a general election.”
They’re expecting a 10-point bounce for Obama this month, although it’s dead even right now.
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Quit giving me reasons to let Barry get the job.
VolMagic on June 6, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Some republicans still believe the best way to regain power is to be come democrat lite.
Not the change we want or need.
I like John Boehner but his latest email showed me that he isnt that serious about sticking to conservative values.
William Amos on June 6, 2008 at 4:46 PM
More evidence the McCain campaign doesn’t really care about conservatives.
CP on June 6, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Surprise. I think his game plan is to totally ignore conservatives because he doesn’t think he needs them to win. Good luck with that, ya schmuk! I bet he gets a VP in his own mold so were will be stuck with him down the road.
thatcher on June 6, 2008 at 4:47 PM
McCain is what he is. He’s not changing, and if we (voters) think he will, we’re just fooling ourselves.
I expect a big bounce for BO as well. Just the nature of locking up nomination.
Spirit of 1776 on June 6, 2008 at 4:48 PM
It’s gonna be epic.
Republicans are working a strategy that has given them total dominance in elections in the northeast. It’s worked so well there, they figured – hey, let’s take it national!
lorien1973 on June 6, 2008 at 4:48 PM
OK, McCainiacs, tell us again how Juan isn’t pro-amnesty. And then tell us it’ll be good for the Republicans to be blamed for it. And then tell us again how it’ll be OUR FAULT if he doesn’t win the Presidency.
And then tell us how a bunch of new taxes and vast bureaucracies are both absolutely necessary to fight the global warming hoax, and in the Republican party’s best interests to be associated with.
And then tell us how we should vote for McCain even though he’s putting more effort into reaching out to Hillary supporters than conservatives.
And then tell us that McCain is going to fix those oil companies for their “obscene profits.” But not the beer distributorships, which make a higher profit.
MCCAIN ‘08: I VOTED FOR AMNESTY BEFORE I VOTED AGAINST IT BEFORE I VOTED FOR IT!
misterpeasea on June 6, 2008 at 4:51 PM
And yet I’m still voting for him. He’s not ideal, but he’s better than the alternative. Judges, Iran, Iraq, taxes, wealth redistribution, socialized health care, etc. are just too much to ignore.
amerpundit on June 6, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Oh, brother.
Bring on the McCain-deranged “amnesty” clingers…But if anyone can name…anyone…who would deport all illegals regardless of situation, immediately build a fence, and enforce every law related to this that’s on the books already, I’d love to hear it.
Even the great Ronald Reagan did more on “amnesty” than John McCain has ever suggested.
JetBoy on June 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM
I have one question for McCain: for what crimes, other than illegally entering our country, do you propose that we award the ill-gotten goods (residency, in the case of illegal aliens) to the criminal?
Would you award the stolen jewels to a convicted burglar?
And how about that feature of the McCain-Kennedy “Comprehensive Immigration” bill that changed the 90-day waiting period for a Z visa in the 2006 version of the bill to only a SINGLE BUSINESS DAY in the 2007 version (to accomplish background and health checks on 12 to 20 million illegal aliens)?
Treachery. Simply treachery.
fred5678 on June 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Judges, Iran, Iraq. Everything else he’s unstable. If Congress presented him a Univ. Health Care bill he’d sign it. He is shaky on taxes, though I think he’ll tow the line there, but his environmental stuff is going to hurt business.
Spirit of 1776 on June 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Well guys maybe you will luck out and Obama will win and then you will have something to bitch about and Allah will have all kinds of stuff to post about.
The point here is that the tenor of much of the debate on illegal immigration was so over the top that it turned off a lot of people. People who are not pro amnesty or pro open border either. In 2006 Soros and his friends put on a parade and the right erupted, just like they hoped they would. And then they went after Bush, just like the Democrats hoped they would and they went too far, just like the Democrats hoped they would and they lost the midterms, just like the Democrats hoped they would.
If you want to know why McCain’s position is more likely to help him in the general, it is simple: he is more in line with how more people feel. And he does not freak them out.
The truth is McCain was more in line with what most Republicans thought too, that is why he won the primary and Tancredo could not get into the double digits.
But hey, take this statement that McCain’s position will not hurt him in the general and use it as yet another excuse to let the Democrat win. Whatever.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 4:57 PM
McCain just said he would have voted -for- that global warming legistlation that was just in front of congress.
So scratch taxes and wealth distribution off that list.
I’m not sure Obama refers to socialized healthcare. He talks about portability and unlocking it from employers. I’m not sure what his actual plan is, but socialized medicine wouldnt need to be “portable”
Also, McCain rails against the profitable medical industry too, so he’s not a lot better on that front anyways.
I’m not sure why to vote McCain at the moment.
lorien1973 on June 6, 2008 at 4:57 PM
I don’t know that anybody wants that. I think, on the whole, the average amnesty opponent wants secure borders, the ending of the bankrupting of our social services and hospitals, etc. We don’t have to deport, we just need to enforce the laws past. It’s OBVIOUSLY an issue of import, or local governments wouldn’t be working so hard on the problem. What most amnesty opponents would like is for the Federal government not line up against what the citizenry (the legal ones) are trying to fix.
Spirit of 1776 on June 6, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Damnit, I seriously can’t stand this guy. I’m starting to think he got into this campaign to hand the Democrats the election. If that’s what he so apparently wants, between his lack of balls in hitting Obama at any time on anything legitimate and his deliberate efforts to try to piss of the people the Republicans had done such a thorough job of pissing off prior to the 1996 clusterf***, maybe we better just give him what he wants. I really don’t care anymore. Not much will change on Iraq or Iran anyway, and McCain wasn’t really giving much of anything besides.
I’ll just write in Hillary.
Mark V. on June 6, 2008 at 5:00 PM
fred:
Entering the country illegally is not a felony. I heard Rudy talking about this and he pointed out the a deportation hearing a civil hearing. That does not make it ok, but it is not a crime in the sense some people think of it. Now coming back after deportation can be and so it smuggling people in I believe.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Um… I meant 2006 clusterf***. Whole different clusterf***.
Mark V. on June 6, 2008 at 5:00 PM
I’ve argued the other ones so often I’m tired of it. All I’ll say is, even if you’re right on the others, we’re looking at Iran having a bomb in the next few years. We’re also looking at Iraq becoming a terror safe-haven. I’d rather have McCain than Barack “Let’s have tea!” Obama.
amerpundit on June 6, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Its not only McCain that’s not going to change, its the entire GOP hierarchy. The globalists have a death grip on the grand old party and they’re not letting go.
Its 3rd party time. The New Republican Party [NRP]. Not for ‘08. Form up and magnanimously back McCain for ‘08. Then field NRP candidates for the 2010 midterms. We’d best confront this reality. If good folks don’t hurry up and form this party then scoundrels will fill the vacuum. There’s a huge void in representation for nationalistic, middle American conservatives. The void will be filled. DD
Darvin Dowdy on June 6, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Mark V:
That is ridiculous. MCCain did not just get into the campaign, he won the nomination. Which is more than anyone else did. If some of his critics were half as smart as they think they are and he is half as worthless as they say he is, you would think they could have found someone to beat him.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Resigning yourself to not voting for McCain alleviates some of the frustration and you can always change your mind if he convinces you otherwise.
FloatingRock on June 6, 2008 at 5:03 PM
The only compelling reason at this point is that he’s not the other guy.
It doesn’t matter what McCain’s positions are. . . he’s going to lose dramatically. He’ll be the ‘epic fail’ segment of ‘Attack of the Show’ on G4. Only this time, he’ll fail with 85 million dollars of taxpayer money.
ThackerAgency on June 6, 2008 at 5:03 PM
There already is a third party and a fourth and a fifth.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Matt said this in another thread. I think it makes a valid point on why not to vote for Obama… but will also help with this one. If you don’t McCain… then expect this to happen.
Thanks Matt!
upinak on June 6, 2008 at 5:05 PM
I hear that Obama not only wants to give drivers licenses to illegals, he wants to let them have nationalized health care. Whatever your problems with McCain on this issue, letting Obama win is not going to fix anything. Forget border security, kiss the fence good bye. But if people do let that happen then I guess it just goes to show you that this issue is really not important to most Americans. Even the hardliners.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:06 PM
I’m not even sure I want McCain to win. If he wins, he defines republicans for 4 or 8 years. I don’t want this guy defining what a republican is. He’s a loser candidate.
Republicans need a platform of business friendliness, low taxes, entrepreneurialism, and less government. McCain is none of that.
Clearly the 2006 results weren’t enough for the party. It needs another good pasting. I’ll be happily to help apply it. But that’s me.
lorien1973 on June 6, 2008 at 5:07 PM
McCain and the RNC have taken a gamble that they don’t need or want conservatives involved in this race. I think it is a mistake as conservatives are the ones that give money and give of their time. They are the ones that man the phone banks, walk the neighborhoods and help get out the vote. McCain has told me to take a hike and a hike I will take.
Engrpat on June 6, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Not to mention the fact that if Obama gets in there and kills NAFTA and the Mexican economy gets any worse than it already is, just guess where those people are going to go.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:08 PM
lorien1973 on June 6, 2008 at 5:07 PM
You are preaching to the choir buddy. I’m with you all the way. Less government is good government.
ThackerAgency on June 6, 2008 at 5:08 PM
More evidence the McCain campaign doesn’t really care about conservatives.
You’re going about this the wrong way. You need to show evidence that McCain actually does care about conservatives.
I can’t come up with any. Can you? please? don’t make me beg, I’d really like to be able to vote for Johnny Mac. It’s crap like this that makes me think seriously about voting for Bob Barr.
I R A Darth Aggie on June 6, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Engrpat:
I don’t think that is true. I just think that the certain people on the right have overestimated their numbers. There are conservatives who do not share Tancredo’s views on immigration. I was talking to a self described conservative the other day who was angry with Bush for not finding a way to muscle the immigration bill through. He thought it needed to be resolved. Not all conservatives look at this issue the same way.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Is that all? McCain wants to give them drivers licenses too, but as citizens who were formerly illegal aliens.
FloatingRock on June 6, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Rasmussen Tracking 06/02 – 06/05 1600 LV 48 43 Obama +5.0
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 5:14 PM
You are right. McCain only supports 4 of those 7. All hail McCain!
lorien1973 on June 6, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Steveegg: McCain’s stance on immigration’s pretty much death for a general campaign.
Only a 10-point bounce for the Obamination? He’s good for at least 15. Remember, the later primaries had 30% of Clinton’s support going to McCain in protest.
steveegg on June 6, 2008 at 5:14 PM
McCain is developing a certain cockiness towards the conservative crowd, isn’t he?
ctmom on June 6, 2008 at 5:14 PM
McCain is strong on national security. He is pro life. He is fiscally conservative. He is a promoter of smaller government. He has an overall good record as a conservative.
So I think what we have here is that certain people are going to threaten to stay home unless they get exactly what they want.
I am kind of a one issue person, I do not want to see the sacrifices of so many young Americans be turned to nothing. I also think that the Democrats have been underhanded and deserve to lose.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:15 PM
With a Democrat-dominated House and filibuster-proof Senate, how will McCain matter as President, again?
1)Fairness Doctrine – yes, we all know that McCain is a staunch defender of free speech. And he’s a big fan of Limbaugh, too.
2)Campaign finance reform – oh, come on. A President McCain will fight it?
3)How could a President McCain stop this?
4)See #3. And what makes you think he would? He trashed Roberts, as I recall. There is no justification for that.
5)Uh. McCain is a global warmist and is against “obscene profits.” How would he do anything, or do anything different than President Bambi?
6)How could President McCain do anything about this? And what makes you think he would?
7)See #3.
misterpeasea on June 6, 2008 at 5:15 PM
That’s my point, though. McCain is not about less government. He’s about government restricting speech. He’s about it meddling in medical care. Meddling in business with environmental rules.
I don’t want this idiot defining the “opposition” for 4 or 8 years.
This country made it through Carter once. It can do it again.
lorien1973 on June 6, 2008 at 5:16 PM
And yet I’m still voting for him. He’s not ideal, but he’s better than the alternative. Judges, Iran, Iraq, taxes, wealth redistribution, socialized health care, etc. are just too much to ignore.
So far as that goes, yes. Let me ask you, if amnesty kicks in, and we “normalize” 20 million (or more) new “citizens” with voting rights, just whom do you think they’ll vote for?
Republican’s and conservatives, or Democrats and liberals? My only hope is that Raul Castro’s (the former Democrat Arizona govenor, not the two-bit dictator in Cuba) observation that Mexicans vote for Democrats, until they have $200 in the bank, when they become Republicans.
I R A Darth Aggie on June 6, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Floaing Rock:
That is a lie.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:16 PM
At least Bill Clinton told Monica that he loved her. McCain doesn’t even do that for those who aren’t pro illegal serfs.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Uhm. You obviously didn’t get the memo. You must vote for McCain no matter what, or it’ll be YOUR FAULT.
misterpeasea on June 6, 2008 at 5:17 PM
I agree, Terrye.
No they haven’t. People voted in the primaries for a less conservative candidate. Conservatives apparently decided they couldn’t put a candidate up that would appeal to the rest of the Republican voters.
MayBee on June 6, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Thomas Sowell has the only reason to vote for McCain.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/06/05/obama_and_mccain
ctmom on June 6, 2008 at 5:19 PM
How can Obama not win? Even if you hold your nose and wait until Nov and decide to either vote for McCain or not vote at all, there is no build up of enthusiasm for McCain. I’m not going to advocate for him and I’m not sending money either.
Blake on June 6, 2008 at 5:19 PM
You make several good points, and your logic is unassailable, and yet, I remain unconvinced.
Are you saying McCain doesn’t want to give amnesty, or that he wants to discriminate against the new citizens by not letting them have driver licenses?
Who should I believe, you or John McCain?
misterpeasea on June 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Not true! At no point did most Republicans want McCain. Most is more than half and McCain was not near that number. Don’t let the facts interfere with your McCain supporting BS!
None of the above -’08!
jwp1964 on June 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Oh for God’s sake IRA, how will sitting home and letting the Democrats get a super majority in the House and the White House improve the situation?
This is what killed Republicans right here. The my way or the highway, everyone is out to screw me, the Mexicans are invading, agree with me or you are traitor, over the top hysterical stuff costs us the Congress and it crippled a Republican president and now there are people out there saying it is an excuse to let the liberals win.
It makes me wonder if this even real. Or if it is just something for some people to raise hell about.
Fine, sit home, pout.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Criticizing his policies is fine and even important.
I really think calling him a Sham is just over the top.
MayBee on June 6, 2008 at 5:21 PM
The manager is right. Anti-illegal immigration people can’t even win the Republican primary, let alone the general election.
freevillage on June 6, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Wrong.
Read this poll – the only one to offer all three choices.
Attrition through enforcement is what most people want.
Just check the votes in these state legislatures.
fred5678 on June 6, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Are you kidding me?
you don’t think McCain wouldn’t keep the Military up? At least he won’t dismantle it to the size of a pea.
As for Gun Control: States go by their own Gun Control, unless they do not have laws on it, then go off federal Regulations.
Anyone who owns a gun knows that. Arizona doesn’t seem to have any problems with gun ownership… including Class 3. In which McCain is the … Senator!
upinak on June 6, 2008 at 5:23 PM
But if anyone can name…anyone…who would deport all illegals regardless of situation, immediately build a fence, and enforce every law related to this that’s on the books already, I’d love to hear it.
Here’s an idea: you don’t. What you do is build a fence, and allow anyone the right to go back to Mexico no questions asked, then enforce the job laws we have in place.
In addition to fines on the employers who knowingly hire illegals, the second time INS finds them doing the same thing, they need to put the CEO, the CFO and the head of human resources in jail for no less than 2 years.
That will get someone’s attention in a big hurry. And once you dry up employment opportunities for illegals (and deport the ones silly enough to ask for food stamps), the rest will go home. Voluntarily, too.
I R A Darth Aggie on June 6, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Is it ok to look forward to Jindal 2012? I will vote for McCain but man oh man, it is making my stomach hurt just to think about it.
Bishop on June 6, 2008 at 5:24 PM
I guess that sums it up pretty well. The only reason. Doesn’t matter. Sowell forgets that Prez. McCain will be hamstrung by an overwhelming D congress, an incompetent intelligence community, etc etc. McCain’s opinion just won’t matter till a city is gone, in Sowell’s example.
lorien1973 on June 6, 2008 at 5:24 PM
NO, but Tax evasion or document fraud ARE felonies, and they would have to be doing one or the other to work here.
Romeo13 on June 6, 2008 at 5:25 PM
NO, but Tax evasion or document fraud ARE felonies, and they would have to be doing one or the other to work here.
Try again… LOL…
Romeo13 on June 6, 2008 at 5:25 PM
jwp:
Of course it was true. I am not talking about who made the most noise. I am talking about what people thought. Most Republicans do support border security, of course. But most Republicans also support guest worker programs and do not support mass deportations. They support some sort of legalization for certain people. If they did not, McCain would not be the nominee. Poll after poll showed that. Hardliners lost elections running just on this one issue. In my district, a blue dog Democrat beat a paleo conservative who was just beating this issue to death.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:25 PM
I’ve been saying for months that I’ll vote for McCain because he sucks less – he said he got the message on illegal immigration.
He’s not going to make it to November without being specific about how he’s going to handle illegal immigration. If he backtracks, so will I.
jaime on June 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Taking a line from a great movie: Deserves got nothin’ to do with it.
jwp1964 on June 6, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Romeo:
I am not talking about tax evasion and all sorts of people are guilty of that and I am not saying otherwise.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Huh. Who knew?
Jaibones on June 6, 2008 at 5:29 PM
This country made it through Carter once. It can do it again.
lorien1973 on June 6, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Easy to say now. You must not have been around at the time, waiting in gas lines or trying to pay a loan whose interest rate was burying you by the day.
Sorry but those times were ghastly, anyone who served in the military can attest to that also.
Bishop on June 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Ignore that. Bad paste!
Jaibones on June 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM
You seem to be a little fuzzy on how government works.
A US Senator does not make state laws for his home state, or any other state. There is no relation between a state’s US Senators and the state’s gun laws. No causal relation, anyway.
No, I’m not saying McCain wouldn’t WANT to keep the military up. I’m saying that a Dem-dominated House and filibuster-proof Senate controls the size of the military, not the President. If they want to reduce it to the size of a pea, they can do it, and there’s nothing any President can do about it.
So in the case of a Democrat-dominated Congress, it makes no difference who the President is.
misterpeasea on June 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Most must have a new definition. I never saw McCain get more than about 35% before everybody quit.
None of the above ‘08!
jwp1964 on June 6, 2008 at 5:32 PM
No he’s not. Our nation is called the United States of America and our borders are insecure during a period while we’re at war with terrorists who’ve already attacked our homeland. He wants us to extent Constitutional protections to the terrorists at Guantanamo.
McCain selectively apposes pork spending which, relative to the federal budget, is relatively insignificant, while he advocates one of the largest expansions of federal power in the history of our nation with his cap and trade carbon tax. He contradicts himself by apposing energy exploration even while he advocates our energy independence.
I want to win in Iraq as well, in fact I wish we were using it as a beachhead in the region to pressure surrounding nations to end their support of terrorism and to marginalize Islamism in general, but Iraq is only one battle in a larger war and while our homeland is vulnerable, thanks in large part to McCain and others like him, a myopic focus on Iraq is dangerous. McCain may be stronger on the war then the Democrats but his understanding of national security is defective and therefor dangerous.
FloatingRock on June 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM
fred:
You can show me all the push polls you want, but McCain won the poll that mattered. Obviously this is not the big deal to some people you think it is, if it was McCain would not have been able to overcome this. The truth is the right went too far and they alienated people who might well agree with them to a certain extent.
And it is also true that many people who are concerned with border security and illegal immigration will still vote for McCain because they think he will have a better chance of getting things accomplished. In fact Bush, for all the hell he took, as done more to secure the border and deal with the problem than any president ever has. But the right still called him Jorge.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM
What is?
FloatingRock on June 6, 2008 at 5:34 PM
This is the first election in which I am waiting for the VP picks to decide whether I’m going to vote for somebody or just stay home. No good choices – only a naive, inexperienced fake and a grating, experienced fake.
bobthepeeler on June 6, 2008 at 5:34 PM
And it will be any different under the Messiah!?!?
upinak on June 6, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Terrye:
On another thread when you said that the anti-illegal immigration people were histrionic and hysterical I asked you where you lived and what your income level was. The problem with this issue is that it doesn’t effect everyone in the country equally. Many aren’t affected at all and many are affected only peripherally but there are some of us who are affected by it almost EVERY WAKING MOMENT of our lives and we are SICK OF IT! View us as the canaries in the coal mine. If you don’t do something about it soon then you are possibly going to start feeling the misery too and you won’t like it one bit.
mrsmwp on June 6, 2008 at 5:34 PM
So in the case of a Democrat-dominated Congress, it makes no difference who the President is.
Yes it does. Dem-dominated houses may control the purse strings but a GOP President can still take a stand and get the message out to the people, and believe it or not, concerted efforts by the public still have an effect.
The dems want to cut the military, President McCain says no and the dems tell him to shove it. Many of those dems represent red constituencies and if they want to keep their jobs, they will tread carefully on military matters.
Bishop on June 6, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Floating Rock:
That is not fair. That border has never been closed. Don’t blame that on McCain. Back when Newt Gingrich was in the Congress he did not do squat about it. Somehow we got through the two most recent election campaigns without it even being a major issue.
And besides to say you are worried about border security, but you will let Obama win without even trying to keep a Republican in the White House tells me you are not half as concerned about all this as you pretend.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:37 PM
So explain to me about when Clinton was in and there was a Republican Senate and Congress!
I would LOVE for you to explain to me how the Military didn’t get crap, pay increases were NADA! Getting Supplies… null and void! Yeah the President doesn’t do anything with the Military. Explain to me why I never got a raise the whole time I was in the military then!
upinak on June 6, 2008 at 5:37 PM
That’s the point I’ve been making.
I think many on the right saw the “border security” promises as empty. They didn’t follow through at any other time.
For myself, I would have supported the amnesty bill if they did border security first. Once that’s done, then either legalize or make a path to legalization for those that were here, working.
I have no problem with an illegal who is here, making a living, supporting his family. Legalize them and make it easy for them to do so. But, first, control the problem. But they wouldn’t even promise that.
lorien1973 on June 6, 2008 at 5:37 PM
You honestly think the country wants amnesty? You honestly think the country wants to reward criminal behavior? To extend welfare benefits to 10s of millions of poor, uneducated criminals?
Then why didn’t McCain-Kennedy (but he’s NOT pro-amnesty) sail through Congress?
misterpeasea on June 6, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Can you provide any evidence to back that up? Can you provide any examples of McCain fighting Clintons dismantling of our military? Has McCain advocated expanding the military after 9/11?
FloatingRock on June 6, 2008 at 5:40 PM
It is really interesting listening to all these self ordained conservatives talk about how it does not matter if a liberal Democrat wins the Presidency. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
But they get to tell the rest of us what to do. They get to decide for the rest of us what is and is not conservative.
All the while they are rooting for Obama.
Because they did not get their way. Whatever that was.
Lose in 06 to win in 08. Lose in to win in 10. Lose in 10 to win 12. What the hell kind of winning strategy is losing?
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Amnesty implies without conditions. McCain has always been for conditional amnesty (like Ronald Reagan). I haven’t really seen anyone denying that fact. He also haa a fairly good voting record for the border fence and hiring more agents and tracking illegals.
I would love to see your plan for the 15 million non-felon illegals in the US.
Provide figures and impact studies please.
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 5:42 PM
You don’t mean people like those hysterical, bigoted rednecks who told McShamnesty and his cronies to shove it sideways in regard to amnesty do ya?
jwp1964 on June 6, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Hmmm… may be my alzheimers talkin… but I seem to remember pay raises when Clinton was President… not big… but they were there…
and I remember a BIG pay raise one year under Carter… don’t remember big raises under Reagan either…
Face it, its very seldom that the military gets a raise that equals or exceeds inflation…
Romeo13 on June 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM
The republican party has lost its way. It is no longer a party of small government, low taxes and pro-business and freedom. It’s just another washington-insider party. This “moderate republican” strategy has killed the party in the northeast and out west. Why are they replicating it nationwide? It makes no sense.
I’m not rooting for Obama. I’ll probably vote McCain, but I won’t like it. And I’m not sure I even want him to win.
lorien1973 on June 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM
i am getting sick to my stomach seeing these posts. I am completely scared to death of Obama. I see this country going to a place which will not be easy to recover from if he is elected. Yes, the past 7 years have been brutal…things happenned that no president has had to face ever…GWB did what he thought was best…whether you agree with them or not does not matter because we are at a crossroads now where we need true leadership….a president with a shady past, shady ideology, and a super liberal, blame america first, socialst agenda will be the worst thing this country has ever seen and it will truly be the end of america as we know it. I am voting for McCain, not because I love him, but because he is by far a better choice than obama. Yes he is wrong on many fronts but if Obama gets elected into office and with a democratic majority in the house and senate, there will be no way to stop his “messianic” goals. The people following him are cult like and it scares the crap out of me. i love this country more than anything in the world but I am scared to death of Obama. he does not deserve to be president, let alone senator.
SoCalInfidel on June 6, 2008 at 5:44 PM
You’d have to ask those Republicans for an explanation of why they screwed the military. I can assure you that Clinton did not pass a SINGLE law. Republicans voted for EVERY SINGLE LAW that was passed.
Check out the Constitution when you have a minute. The legislature makes the laws. The executive carries them out.
The President can do P.R., agreed. So can the opposition party.
I’m saying that if this hypothetical Democrat-dominated Congress wants to do something, there is not a thing McCain can do to stop them, constitutionally.
misterpeasea on June 6, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Yeah. I can imagine how much focus the R’s in the house/senate will get when the D’s have an unbeatable majority. Exactly none.
lorien1973 on June 6, 2008 at 5:46 PM
mister:
I think that the country does not see all those peope the same way. If you start qualifying the questions, such as:
Do you think that someone who has lived here for many years and is gainfully employed and does not have a criminal record should be given a path to legalization…overwhelming majorities say yes. However, if you ask if people want to see blanket amnesty for everyone, most people will say no.
I think the mistake some people made was that they looked at the issue in terms of black and white. Most people do not. Most people do not want open borders and most people do not want mass deportations.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Yes, he won the primary campaign. Of course he had to go throught he primary campaign. And he did it by handing us a bunch of shinola about being a Goldwater/Reagan conservative. And people deluded themselves into that because they knew McCain was the best chance of winning the election. They had to believe it because they knew the rest of the field was so godawful weak. Who couldn’t beat the field we had this year?
Now, since he’s clinched, he’s gone back to his Amnesty bulls*** and he’s gone on record as supporting a potentially economy-killing taxation scheme to combat global warming rather than sticking up for scientific reasoning. All he has to offer is Iran/Iraq, but how much worse could Obama be on that?
And to answer what you’ve said to others, a Democratic supermajority won’t help us out, except to give the mouth-breathing American electorate a taste of what they should have learned from all those years watching the Boomers vote themselves all those shiny new entitlements. It’s time they learned the price of this mythical “free lunch.”
On the other hand, if the Republicans ever get an itch in their pants to start arguing for what they believe in again rather than just saying what they have to to appeal to the laziest voters in the country, I’ll be happy to listen.
Mark V. on June 6, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Didn’t mean to come off as such a bastard there, but I’ve really had it already with McCain. I really don’t care anymore who the next President is. Which is a good thing for you all who do still care, since I live in Texas.
Mark V. on June 6, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Well, not a good thing, but an inconsequential thing.
Mark V. on June 6, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Indeed, it is not pay Im worried about, I am worried I will not get new ships, all the money the the grunts and Marines need to do their job. Money to protect our bases. We are already planning on the loss of GWOT augmentation that we have been getting for 7 years. It has been a huge boon.
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Doesn’t sound like you were paying attention to the discussion of McCain-Kennedy, Squish.
The 15 million criminals will deport themselves in large numbers. It’s already starting to happen with Bush’s half-hearted attempts.
And citing Reagan does not innoculate a policy from criticism. Especially when we’re staring the abject and utter failure of that policy dead in the face.
I’d love to see your plan for extending the benefits of the welfare state to 15 million+ illegal aliens and their families. And your explanation of how that won’t encourage even more illegal aliens.
Provide figures and impact studies, please.
misterpeasea on June 6, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Until 9/11 we hadn’t been attacked on our homeland, and I didn’t blame McCain; I blamed him and others like him who are beholden to special interests and place their desires above the needs of our nation.
FloatingRock on June 6, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Regarding that, I’d support legal status, but no citizenship unless they returned home to wait in line.
Mark V. on June 6, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Dude, are you kidding me? Welcome to the real world where many times deserving people get a raw deal everyday of their life and where undeserving folks get rich and become senators and even president. The next thing you know this thread will dip into a “fairness” discussion. Our country is doomed.
jwp1964 on June 6, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Even if I did, you would just say what about this or what about that.
I am tired of argueing with people who don’t give a crap about anything except themselves and what they get out of it.
If you don’t like McCain.. then go vote for your Messiah. Then when shit hits the fan… I am just going to lean back, since there is no real reason to say I told you so. You will all figure it out soon enough.
upinak on June 6, 2008 at 5:52 PM
No, they don’t.
And guess what. Not a single one of those people “does not have a criminal record.” Every single one has broken the law. And the vast majority have broken the law more than once. It’s not just illegal immigration, it’s identity theft and fraud and forged documents.
misterpeasea on June 6, 2008 at 5:52 PM
jwp:
Calling the man McShamnesty is stupid and juvenile.
I can remember when Bill Clinton was being impeached, so many people called in to protest, they shut down the switchboards. But it did not matter, because the Republicans in the House knew those people were not going to vote for them anyway. By the same token, biting off your nose to spite your face and handing the government to Obama and his party will have the same effect. you can pout and call and carry on all you want, you don’t matter to them.
Terrye on June 6, 2008 at 5:53 PM
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 5:53 PM
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