Gallup: McCain’s favorability rating down 25 points among blacks since last year
posted at 8:02 pm on June 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
Note: This isn’t head to head with Obama, it’s a simple favorable/unfavorable rating of McCain himself. June 2007: 26/33, with 41 percent having no opinion. June 2008: 27/58, with 15 percent N/O. That’s actually less of a decline than Her Majesty, and less severe: She lost 26 points, and all of them seem to have come from the favorable column, not the no-opinioners.
I’m sitting here searching mentally for anything McCain might have said or done to alienate black voters and drawing a blank. Frankly, he tends to stay out of racial matters (“I don’t think I have to address the issue of race”), and to the extent that he involves himself, it’s to try to build bridges to the black community, however belatedly. Maybe this is the product of news circulating about how he initially opposed a holiday for MLK? Or is it just an artifact of more people getting to know him and realizing that he bears the Klannish stigma of belonging to the Republican Party?
Minor solace: His favorable rating’s actually increased a point, from 26 to 27 percent over the past year. Exit question: Is there anything any Republican can do at this point to win more than say, 15 percent of the black vote? Not against Obama, I mean, but against any generic Democratic candidate.
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Lightworking.
RushBaby on June 6, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Those polled probably watched his Tuesday night speech……
Jack M. on June 6, 2008 at 5:56 PM
He’s running against the messiah now, silly.
funky chicken on June 6, 2008 at 6:00 PM
LOL! Overnight John McCain turned into The Man(tm)
Exurban Jon on June 6, 2008 at 6:00 PM
So not Racism, they just had yellow teeth.
Rbastid on June 6, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Guess we didn’t see that coming.
ctmom on June 6, 2008 at 6:03 PM
I wonder if Lindsay Graham will now give a speech and use the bigot word. Probably not.
a capella on June 6, 2008 at 6:08 PM
No reason? The reason is that he is WHITE.
WoosterOh on June 6, 2008 at 6:17 PM
No reason? LOL. I guess you didn’t get the memo that Obama is black.
SoulGlo on June 6, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Racists.
jaime on June 6, 2008 at 6:34 PM
Naw. It’s over the past year right? Blacks probably learned more about him, and simply didn’t like what they saw. One thing that would stick out is his initial lack of support for an MLK holiday. Plus the fact that he has said next to nothing about income inequality, urban schools etc, issues that are more salient with blacks.
Or we could all just say that blacks are racist or irrational and their concerns aren’t “substantive”.
crr6 on June 6, 2008 at 6:36 PM
Their just racist….
By brother’s wife likes Obama, yet can’t give me one reason she likes him. After all, I have pointed out that every philosophical position he holds to, she is against.
Tim Burton on June 6, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Their = They’re
Tim Burton on June 6, 2008 at 6:43 PM
By brother
Sydney Carton on June 6, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Connie on June 6, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Tim Burton on June 6, 2008 at 6:55 PM
You guys are missing the elephant in the room… Immigration.
Consider for a moment how poorer African-Americans are forced to compete with the eternal river of Mexican nationals for low-skill jobs. They’ll overlook immigration to make history with Obama. McCain? Not so much.
Lehosh on June 6, 2008 at 6:58 PM
In 3000 the same refrain will be sung, by crr6′s offspring’s offspring.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 7:05 PM
McCain’s favorable rating actually increased from 26% to 27%. The entire increase in unfavorable rating came from the “Don’t Know About Him” column.
Same with Obama….his increase in favorable came from the “Don’t Know Him” column as well.
JadeNYU on June 6, 2008 at 7:12 PM
Hussain will 99.999% of the B vote.
TheSitRep on June 6, 2008 at 7:18 PM
crr6 on June 6, 2008 at 7:44 PM
crr6 when you don’t know what you speak of, please don’t assume things about others.
As far as readings/sayings, go see what the black writers are saying today. It’s actually very enlightening, if you can get off your horse for a while, and think clearly.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 7:52 PM
So when will it be that blacks have had enough help? If Obama gets elected will that mean they no longer need “government aid?” If so, I’d definitely vote for him.
Bill Scrunty on June 6, 2008 at 7:53 PM
peski on June 6, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Also crr6, I came to this country with a single suitcase and not one dollar in my purse, and did not speak English. The suitcase contents were stoken shortly after in a Goodwill move. Never once was I on the government dole, not for a penny. Yes, I would have qualified hundreds of times, but the thought would kill me.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 8:00 PM
S/b “contents were stolen”.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 8:01 PM
I think the presence of a black candidate could also have something to do with it. Not that the “R” is helping much.
AbaddonsReign on June 6, 2008 at 8:07 PM
I think there’s no such thing this year as rating of a Republican by blacks irrespective of Obama. You can ask for it, but they’ll respond with what they want to respond with.
freevillage on June 6, 2008 at 8:08 PM
That’s surprising.
And Hispanics don’t like McCain either?
Well, they must have good reasons for feeling that way. It couldn’t be an irrational fear or phobia.
VolMagic on June 6, 2008 at 8:10 PM
The scarlet
“R”.“Not Black”abinitioadinfinitum on June 6, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Become a Democrat, sadly.
ThePrez on June 6, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Didn’t you see McCain’s numbers?
VolMagic on June 6, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Who cares about the black vote. It goes 90% for Dems anyways.
That’s THEIR problem.
mred on June 6, 2008 at 8:19 PM
That’s great, it really is. But just because you beat the system doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to fix it. General question for you. Do you know/believe in conditional probability?
Tough question. Generally speaking, when there aren’t gaping inequalities in income, education, wealth and just opportunity in general. When do you think the marker should be/was?
I’m waiting for the obligatory Thomas Sowell quote. Pretty much all ya got there.
crr6 on June 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Numbers are a distraction. :)
ThePrez on June 6, 2008 at 8:21 PM
At last, the mind of Mencia has penetrated and, perhaps, even permeates the HotAir readership.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on June 6, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Insipiring story. Don’t feed the troll. It subsists on historical fantasy and a deep misreading of human nature. It won’t have it’s mind changed, and it will not be persuaded by facts. Thanks :)
VolMagic on June 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Lehosh
Good observation on immigration: this hurts blacks more than the government could ever help them.
Right_of_Attila on June 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM
I wish the black community knew how the Democratic Party has basically been “using them” for the last 30 or so years. Read this. It’s a start.
malan89 on June 6, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Equality may perhaps be a *right*, but no power on earth can ever turn it into a fact.
- Honore de Balzac
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Ha. You saw his stand up act too. He’s pretty crude, but can be really funny. He gets away with so much. That whole “The girl at McDonalds can’t say ‘You are picking on me cause I am black’ when I complain about crappy service. I’ll just whip out a picture of Obama.” was pretty funny.
malan89 on June 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Probably so. McCain’s the guy who’ll be trying to bar Obama’s way on his golden path to the White House.
FloatingRock on June 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
What? Huh. How did she “beat” the system?
As far as I am concerned anyone who thinks that he or she could do better in another country, and there are over a hundred of them, can go give it a try. I’ll be all ears.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
The sad reality is that this has almost ZERO real affect on the black vote. They vote as one giant monolithic block regardless of their self-interests, McCain’s favorable/unfavorable rating be damned.
DaveS on June 6, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Like whites, some never needed any, some have already gotten enough and some will never get enough.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 8:37 PM
I though that the Klan were all Democrats? And that all Freemen voted Republican?
I’m confused, when did this happen?
darclon on June 6, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Republicans have to take their message directly to black voters. Show up for the Tavis Smiley debates. If the NAACP extends an invitation, accept it, even if it means suffering through some cat-calls. Just make an effort.
RightOFLeft on June 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM
His ratings with them fell because he’s running against their guy, the black guy. Remember how quickly they turned on the Clinton? The “first black president” was their boy until a brotha showed up on the scene. It’s not racism when they vote in a monolithic block for the black guy, it’s their culture. It’s racism when Whites don’t all vote for Obama though. Go figure.
UnEasyRider on June 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Good point. I think polls have indicated that black Americans have a particularly negative view of illegal immigration but they probably overlook that with Obama and might not even be aware of his stance on the subject. I know I sure don’t.
FloatingRock on June 6, 2008 at 8:42 PM
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Considering what has been said she sure did “beat” the system, by not becoming party to it.
News2Use on June 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM
crr6, please, when you reference someone else, please add their name/time stamp. I never asked the “enough help” question. Thanks.
Not Sowell at all, but someone waaaaay more liberal, for those who wish to think about it. It takes self help and help. No, not all of any category are in one boat, but please get off of that “we are owed” horse. We could all ’sing’ a victimhood song. I could drive you nuts and never end, just for the ones I’d qualify.
And I’m not in the category of those who deny history and the cruelty of it. Just like you can’t forget/deny the Holocaust and still not blame the current generation of Germans for it, you must move on at some point, while never ignoring or excusing the past.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Sorry crr6, yes I’m familiar with conditional probability. We’re all affected by events, good and bad, in our lives. I, however, believe in overcoming, no matter what it is that happened or was done to us. I’m dealing right now with something very traumatic, and it’s extremely hard. But I don’t hate the perpetrator, or believe that I’m now owed something until eternity, though I could. If we can’t overcome, we must seek help. The government is never my first source.
I’m extraordinarily independent and happy to be so, and to free to be independent. It’s really a marvelous thing, and my main reason for detesting with the utmost passion all things socialist/Marxist. I lived them for way too long and they rob you of personal freedoms/liberties, while very few live beyond the style of kings, exploiting the masses with propaganda.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Sorry, I noticed too late that there is a thread on the bottom, and that comments were imported.
I don’t care if crr6 is a troll or not. He/she is generally polite and conversation is good.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 8:44 PM
There are no gaping inequalities, especially if you hold constant if there is a father who bothers to stay around.
Feeling sorry for yourself. Pretty much all ya got there.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 8:44 PM
I’m not even black and I don’t like him.
Rastus on June 6, 2008 at 8:45 PM
McCain should’ve got that C. Thomas Howell ‘Soul Man’ skin treatment.
Bill Brasky on June 6, 2008 at 8:47 PM
For my 8:44 PM comment, this is the link for someone way more liberal.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Sorry, I goofed up the link – someone way more liberal than Thomas Sowell.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 8:53 PM
OK, I can go with that.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Yes, illegal “immigration” probably hurts, generally speaking, blacks more than whites.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 8:56 PM
So, if they don’t like him because he’s white, that’s racism. But if they don’t like him because he’s running against a black guy then it’s okay. Except, if he were a black guy running against a black guy then they would probably like him. Except that he’s a Republican. But they liked him before and he was a Republican then, but he wasn’t running against a black guy.
I’m cornfused.
29Victor on June 6, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Also, according to that poll, 50% of blacks had a favorable opinion of Rev. Sharpton.
That seems rather relevant.
VolMagic on June 6, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Oh come now. He works for Fixed News. Duh! And everyone knows everyone who works for fox is an arch-conservative!
VolMagic on June 6, 2008 at 9:04 PM
I have concluded that this year many, many people will not tell the questioners the truth, until the very end. The polls with thus be more destorted than they usually are.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 9:08 PM
VolMagic, I know you’re sarcastic. On a very serious note I’ve always liked Juan Williams because he is an honest and courageaus man.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 9:13 PM
So how’s Juan “Z-Visa” McCain doing with the almighty hispanic vote??? Sure helped Hillary huh?
DfDeportation on June 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Juan is curageous, as opposed to Dan Rather.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 9:37 PM
One of the reasons the media is so in bed with the liberals is precisely because they are the party of socialists. They know full well, both the media and the liberal leaders, that they’d never live, or have to live like the masses, but that the dependent masses will always vote for them.
More Pauls than Peters. However, the meek will never inherit the earth, never; they’ll just be lead to believe that they will. Wake up, the sooner, the freer, no matter who you are.
Entelechy on June 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Not to dismiss black voters, but in 2004 (which historically had very high turnout for all races) blacks represented 11% of voters, 88% of whom voted for Kerry. Let’s assume that in 2008 that 95% of black voters will vote for Obama, and will turnout in higher numbers- say 20%.
2004
.11 x .88 = .026 = 9.7% of the voting public were black Dem voters.
2008
(.11 + (.20 x .11)) x .95 = 12.5% of the voting public were black Dem voters.
Hypothetical Change 2004-2008
12.5% – 9.7% = 2.8%
In other words, even with 95% of blacks voting for Obama and a 20% higher turnout, that swings less than 3% toward the Dems in 2008 over 2004.
While I don’t condone racism as a factor in voting, the sad fact is that it does and will occur. In 2004, white voters comprised 67% of voters. If we assume that 5% of white voters won’t vote for Obama because of race, that translates to 3.3% of white voters who hypothetically won’t vote for him because of race.
In other words, whatever benefit Obama gets from black voters will likely be offset by those who won’t vote for him because he’s black.
AFTER putting that hypothetical scenario, I ran across this:
In other words, I are smart at analysing and guessing stuff.
And again- racism is bad, umkay?
Hollowpoint on June 6, 2008 at 9:43 PM
They don’t leave the Democrat Plantation until they earn big money. Until then, they just follow ol’ massa who promises the moon and delivers nothing anyway. Nothing new here, move along………………
adamsmith on June 6, 2008 at 9:46 PM
You mean we won’t win the black vote? Back to the drawing board…
Mark V. on June 6, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Hey on a positive note…I keep hearing from the black community how (depending on who is spouting figures) 30-60% of the black population in the US is either in jail or has been in jail for felony crime (you know, the man keeping the black man down). If thats truly the case then that really cuts into BHO’s
core vote…unless I’m mistaken and they have changed the law and now allow felons to vote. And as for the hispanic vote…well last I checked you must be a US citizen to vote.
Oh wait…I forgot…the Dems will not allow states to require any type of voter identification system to ensure those voting are who they say they are and are legally eligible. Oh well…get ready for at least 4 years of complete Dem rule…both Houses and the White House, probably with a supermajority in Congress…which basically means hello October Revolution, the socialists/communists have won and this great nation is at an end for our children and grandchildren, at least in any form we would recognize.
BadMojo on June 6, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Have the freaking stones to look the black vote in the eye and call them on voting for a party that has failed them for 40 years. Then look them in the eye and tell them to stop blaming Republicans when Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Detroit have been run into the ground by Democrats!
Tell them LBJ lobbied against civil rights when Ike wanted to pass a bill. Tell them Ike integrated the Army. Just stop being a bunch of freaking cowards, and champion the cause of conservatism in the black community. Force the issue force the black vote to account for their vote and live with the consequences. How hard is that?
I do it all the time. I rarely go to the barbershop but when I do fireworks follow. I pretty much crush the opposition and educate them about public policy. Republicans simply ignoring the black vote is why they lost it in the first place, no that the Democrats have set themselves up for an opportunity to have those votes earned back by Republicans, Republicans are wasting it! Wasting it!!
Theworldisnotenough on June 6, 2008 at 9:49 PM
crr6 says that Blacks might be angry at McC for not initially supporting an AZ state MLK holiday. As a fellow Arizonan, I was disappointed when McC did support it. When MLK wasn’t in front of a crowd, he was with someone else’s wife or with a Commie Party official (“an underworld spy or the wife of a close friend”, as Carly Simon put it). King doesn’t deserve more honor than Lincoln.
jgapinoy on June 6, 2008 at 9:49 PM
“beating the system” meaning beating the odds and succeeding in a situation where she was set up to fail.
So should we stop striving for socil justice? I’d never say we’ll ever have perfect equality of opportunity in America, but we can attempt to improve it.
This is just wrong. Read more. Blacks have 16% the average wealth of whites. Also, the social problems are a result of the economic inequalities. Regardless, even if you control for them, significant inequalities still exist.
I’m not feeling sorry for myself. I’m white, grew up middle class and I’ve been afforded great opportunities in this country. But I’m humble enough to recognize that my success is not solely a result of some sort of “rugged individualism”, but that I’m also standing on the shoulders of others. Some don’t have those shoulders to stand on.
I agree that dwelling on the past and asking for asisstance as compensation for past injustices isn’t constructive. What is constructive is asisstance to improve opportunity. You say we must seek help, but you never wanted to look to the government? Some people have nowhere else to look.
I suppose I’m interested in conditional probability because I saw the effects of it firsthand. I got a pretty bad education through HS at urban public schools. Most of the kids there were smart, outgoing and hardworking, but because of the situation they were in, they went nowhere. If they had been placed 20 miles South in a suburban school, the exact same kids would be lawyers or doctors. Their environment shaped them, and through little to no fault of their own, most occupy the lower to lower-middle class today. I found this abhorrent, and since then equality issues have been very personal to me. It was nice to read your post though; it was very thoughtful. Your views are much more complex and nuanced then the typical “SLAVERY WAS 100 SOME YEARS AGO GET OVER IT” type fare I often hear from your side.
crr6 on June 6, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Fixed it.
peski on June 6, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Neither. The nomination contest is over, and he’s running against Obama. Toss in Dem speculation that Republicans will run racist ads and that’s all it takes. It’s likely not anything McCain has actually done, aside from win the nomination.
On MSNBC (I don’t know why I was watching either) one of their commentators- a black woman- cited as an example of racist campaigning ads suggesting Obama “can’t be trusted”. Anyone who thinks they’re tired of identity politics now hasn’t seen nothin’ yet.
Hollowpoint on June 6, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Sorry, guys, but many will associate Republicans with “racists” for a long time, even if this was the party that confronted slavery for the evil that it was.
Nice job, LBJ. Very nice job.
newton on June 6, 2008 at 10:05 PM
There’s so much wrong with this I don’t know where to start. You actually make points early on that weaken your own later points. You also make the common mistake of equating liberals with democrats and conservatives with Republicans irrespective of time or social context. As for why blacks suffer such horrible social pathologies which are unique to all other groups…you provide an answer within your own post. The labor movement was racist. Whites idealize their grandfather’s hard work and sacrifice which led to them climbing the social latter, while glossing over the role of unions in this success…unions which were unavailable to blacks.Also social pathologies have not increased as a result of increasing transfer payments as popular neocon rhetoric suggests. The 70′s and 80′s were periods of welfare retrenchment. I’ll need some time to dig up the stats, but Nixon and Reagan were certainly not proponents of generous welfare. The war on drugs and the war on crime incarcerated huge chunks of the black population and broke up countless families. Those two largely conservative initiatives did little to aid the social pathologies you speak of, indeed they reinforced them.
crr6 on June 6, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Ummm…I don’t think so…both black billionaires, Robert Johnson and Oprahbamba are frothing at the mouth libs..
SaintOlaf on June 6, 2008 at 10:07 PM
The environment that shaped them was the fault of their parents. The people they are today is a result of their own choices, however difficult those choices may have been.
Here’s a scenario for you:
I grew up a poor white boy in a black ghetto area of Southern California. My high school (forced busing) was 47% black, 47% white, and the balance Asian or “Chicano”. My father left my mother with me and my 3 younger sisters when I was about 12. She got a job at Bullock’s and went to night school, and eventually became a teacher and got her Master’s degree.
Today, I live in a big house on a golf course and do whatever I want to do. How did that happen? I guarantee you, it had nothing to do with government assistance or the color of my skin. I keep track of a few of those old high school pals – both black and white. Many did fine. Some are dead. Some are very rich. What’s the common thread for those that are doing well? They valued academic achievement over “cool”. Their parents read their report cards. They joined the band or one of the athletic teams. They went to college.
The only “equality” issue is equality of effort and character.
peski on June 6, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Even in a personal story meant to prove your point, you help mine. Many kids don’t have supportive parents. The kids I know didn’t. Seriously though, look at the big picture. Why do so many kids with rich parents do better relative to poor parents? Their may be outliers, but in general, do the kids of rich parents succeed more because they just happen to all make smarter choices on their own and work harder? They all have superior effort and character?
crr6 on June 6, 2008 at 10:16 PM
And that 90% has ZERO sense of self-preservation vis a vis: abortion/genocie and illegal immigration. The light bulb will come on one day, but is it already too late?
SouthernGent on June 6, 2008 at 10:23 PM
So…anyone who is successfull got that wy only because they had rich parents? Wow, I never realized how great I had it growing up! And to think all these years I thought it was the fact that I worked my ass off to get where I am that was responsible. How could I have been so deluded?
BadMojo on June 6, 2008 at 10:24 PM
strawman. There’s a strong correlation between parental income and success. Of course individual effort also plays a role.
crr6 on June 6, 2008 at 10:28 PM
I beg to differ, there are any number of complete losers who come from millionaire families. Personal responsibility it at the core of the entire argument…and there are those who take that responsibility and those who don’t.
BadMojo on June 6, 2008 at 10:31 PM
How was she “set up to fail”? Who set her “up to fail”? I didn’t do that. Did you do that? Who did that?
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 10:40 PM
I think that you misunderstood de Balzac.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 10:42 PM
The poll probably means nothing since it’s a given the vast majority of the blacks will vote for their chocolate savior.
docdave on June 6, 2008 at 10:44 PM
EVERYONE in this country is standing on the “shoulders” of a lot of others. EVERYONE. The list of those “shoulders”, is almost endless.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 10:45 PM
He made teh point that parental involvement made a huge difference among his aquintainces. That doesn’t suggest that governmental involvement can replace that decisive factor (as you agree with it, it seems) in anyway, shape or form. If we see a problem, and we know at least one path to a solution, why would we not bend our efforts in that path – instead of throwing money into a system that has yet shown little to no effect.
I’m not kidding. CThomas said his Yale degree wasn’t almost worthless because it was a product of a system, not seen as individual accomplishment. Let’s not brand our children with the same failings.
I am sympathetic to your point and I think churches and other community organizations can do a great deal to help – even if it is just a surrogate family support structure.
Your point on the wealthy doing well is sketchy though, some of the most unhappy (which surely must be consider a measure of success even moreso then $) people are from wealthy families, no to mention having intellectual or success drives blunted by access to things easily. It’s not covered in a single brush-stroke, obviously.
Spirit of 1776 on June 6, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Don’t you think that your “philosophy’ shall I say, not to put to sharp a point on it, is at least somewhat demeaning to black people. Think about it.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Agreed. But some people aren’t standing on as many shoulders. Or they’re standing on the shoulders of a short person. Or the shoulders were disadvantaged and not as broad as other people’s shoulders.
Metaphor…taken….too far…
crr6 on June 6, 2008 at 10:55 PM
How specifically?
crr6 on June 6, 2008 at 10:56 PM
I’m still waiting for my payoff. Okay not really. It was just a roundabout way of saying that you’re wrong. To give reverse examples of your error, see: Oprah, most black actors and sports stars.
And, crr6, Thomas Sowell isn’t the only black conservative writer there is, only the best. He’s one of the best of any color, for that matter.
Here are some others: Ken Hamblin, Walter Williams, Larry Elder, Star Parker, Ken Blackwell, Ted Hayes–who’s running against Maxine Waters!!!–Deroy Murdock, Shelby Steele, Project 21 and the Conservative Brotherhood (a blogging collective; full disclosure I’m listed there) just off of the top of my head.
baldilocks on June 6, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Is that some kind of “new math”? Do you mean income earned or do you mean income earned minus what someone has spent? If you mean the latter it is extraneous to the case you are trying to make.
Two people could earn the same over their lifetime so far and one could have saved nothing, actually be deep in dept and the other could have hundreds of thousand in savings. In fact the person with the hundreds of thousand in savings could have earned less. There are lots of people who have made probably 10 times, 100 times what I have and have less than 16% of my savings.
Take Michael Jackson for example. He has probably earned 100′s of times what you have and *net* probably doesn’t even have 16% of your savings.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Sleep on it. If I have to tell you it won’t resonate nearly as much as if you come to it on your own.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Well I went to school on an Indian Reservation so whatever you think you should get in compensation, I want a lot more.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Because they don’t have to hate Hillary anymore. They can conveniently tranfer it to Obama’s next opponent.
Grafted on June 6, 2008 at 11:04 PM
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Hey hey hey! We’ll have no logic or clear thinking here! This is an “emotional” argument! Jeez…don’t you understand that?
BadMojo on June 6, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Well were they potted plants? Couldn’t they move somewhere else when of age? Did they join the Army? Navy? Air Force? Marines? If they went nowhere it’s damn hard to believe they were all those things you say they were. Damned hard.
MB4 on June 6, 2008 at 11:08 PM
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