Did the GOP use its prep time well?
posted at 9:30 am on June 6, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The long, tough slog through the Democratic primaries gave the Republicans some time to strategize and plan for the general election, The Hill notes, and now their preparations will be put to the test. San Youngman reports that GOP researchers have plenty of data to use in their general-election contest against Barack Obama, some of which may have come from Hillary Clinton’s campaign and even her own mouth. The RNC rolls out a new website today to feature their efforts to defeat Obama and elect John McCain:
When Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) finally secured the Democratic nomination Tuesday night, his Republican opponents were fully prepared to welcome the Illinois senator to the general election.
Given Obama’s six-month, 54-contest, grueling up-and-down nomination battle against Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), the desire for a breather would be understandable.
But the Republican National Committee (RNC) had already been piling up reams of opposition research, some of which it had already released, that it will use to define Obama before he has a chance to recover from the primaries. …
“Once he wheezed across the finish line, we were ready to help educate voters about Obama’s plans to raise taxes, cut troop funding, and negotiate with hostile leaders,” Amber Wilkerson, an RNC spokeswoman, said. “Thankfully, we only had to look to comments from Democrat leaders — including Hillary Clinton and John Edwards — to pose some important questions about Obama’s poor judgment and weak experience.”
Expect the GOP to hammer on Obama’s coast through the last three months of the campaign, mainly to boost morale among their own troops to show that Obama can be beaten. Hillary changed tactics at the beginning of March, becoming much more confrontational with Obama, and saw a great deal of success. She won almost all of the contests between March and June but could not overcome Obama’s large delegate lead in the end. The pressure from Hillary caused Obama to make several gaffes and retractions, continuing even to last night as Obama flip-flopped on Jerusalem.
The new RNC site, Meet Barack Obama, will serve as the repository of these kinds of stumbles and oppo research. It has the widget calculating the exact length of time since Obama’s last visit to Iraq, and spots for RNC videos, grass-roots organization, and highlighted issues that will undoubtedly update as events unfold. Right now they have a feature on the Rezko convictions and a site where visitors can leave questions for Barack Obama to answer. (I’m sure he’ll get right on that.)
It seems fairly impressive. The RNC didn’t sleepwalk through the last three months, and they put their enormous fundraising advantage to good use. Their $40 million cash-on-hand dwarfs the DNC’s $4.4 million, which won’t even cover the cost of their convention. The Democrats have known McCain as the nominee for three months and have yet to put together any coordinated effort against him. The GOP have the advantage early, and if they can maintain their fundraising advantage over the DNC, they may be able to keep it through the general election.
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International Workers’ Day (a name used interchangeably with May Day) is a celebration of the social and economic achievements of the international labour movement. May Day commonly sees organized street demonstrations by millions of working people and their labour unions throughout most of the countries of the world. Communist and anarchist organizations and their affiliated unions universally conduct street marches on this day.
International Workers’ Day is the commemoration of the Haymarket Massacre in Chicago in 1886.
Do you think it’s coincidence that Saul Alinski’s Industrial Areas Foundation has it’s international headquarters in Chicago?
Do you think it’s coincidence that Barack Obama started his working career as a “community organizer” in Chicago?
Do you think it’s coincidence that Tony Rezko (in Chicago) was a major source of money for Obama?
Move along…nothing to see here.
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 12:08 PM
How about instead of celebrating Communism we celebrate Free Enterprise?
How about instead of celebrating May Day, we celebrate Free Enterprise Day?
Or is that something that only the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy does?
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I didn’t mean that I thought McCain would lose the election. What I meant was that even if McCain wins, we all lose. We’re going to lose either way.
fossten on June 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I said MAYBE they don’t want comments. You know, there are some websites which do/did not accept comments (example: American Thinker only recently started taking them).
Sonny, your adolescent behavior is troubling. Seek help.
Lockstein13 on June 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM
when oh when are we going to get a conservative version of HILLARY???!!!
we need someone who is totally ruthless and doesn’t want to be ‘compassionate’ or ‘reach out’ to the other side.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM
The RNC did not select McCain, the primary voters did. When you insult the RNC, you are actually insulting the millions of people who went to the polls to vote. Granted, a small percentage of those might be Democrats who wanted to mess with the Republican party, but the vast majority of those votes were cast by Republicans. Don’t throw a hissy fit just because your guy didn’t win (assuming you bothered to vote in the primary at all).
The DNC is the party that will select their candidate. After a long primary process, neither Hillary nor Obama won enough delegates from primary voters alone. That means the Democrat party elite will be choosing their candidate, not the voters.
DCGamer on June 6, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Amen. “The other guy is worse” is not a winning slogan. And I cannot be the only person out here who believes (as I did in 2004) that there is only one issue in this election: the physical security of the United States of America.
I’m already sick of the polls showing how important an issue the economy is to the public right now. Let’s roll the tape showing that Clinton & Obama have both conceded that McCain is The Man on the issue of national security…and perhaps start asking just what the President is supposed to do to to fix this “poor” economy.
Example: Ohio & Pennsylvania are critically-important states in presidential elections. Their economies have been declining for decades. During this period, if I recall, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, & Bush II have run for re-election. If the president could do something about the economy in these two states, wouldn’t someone have done it by now?
glendower on June 6, 2008 at 12:15 PM
That’s what people in Germany were saying about Hitler in 1933, Stalin in ? Pol Pot in ? Hugo Chavez in 1999…
How did that work out for them my true believing friends? I’m not saying Obama is like these guys, but do you think anyone at that time thought they were either?
It’s this absolut belief in ones ideas that always leads to evil. But I’m sure you sleep well at night as did the above.
tottoritodd on June 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Never by me. Never. The words “for the good of the party” have never passed my lips – they smack of Communism – and I don’t accept them as the reason to vote for McCain.
McCain himself is the only reason to vote for McCain, and he seems utterly oblivious to his own responsibility to inspire the vote. He’s expecting Republicans to line up like SHEEP and do the Party’s bidding. And many plan to do just that.
Methinks he’s been hanging around Democrats far too much if he believes that strategy will work with conservatives.
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Understand the importance of Chicago to the Communists and anarchists.
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Absolutely true. Good luck trying to convince people of the truth here, for some, it’s a lost cause.
wise_man on June 6, 2008 at 12:19 PM
you only think there is a difference between Juan and obama. Obama hasn’t restricted free speech YET, but Juan has. and thats just one example.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 12:21 PM
That was the rallying cry for the Democrats in ‘04. Anyone but Bush. They lost.
Now the Republicans, in their infinite idiocy, plan to implement that exact same failed strategy: Anyone but Obama. It, too, will fail.
The Democrats have someone they are very excited to vote FOR. The Republicans are left on a very weak defensive, with no option but to vote AGAINST. Stupid, weak, and guaranteed to to lose.
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 12:21 PM
thats fine if the republicans voted for mccain…doesn’t mean I have to.
I’m not throwing a ‘hissy fit’ I’m just not going to vote for Amnesty Juan. for any reason.
when there is no difference there is no reason to vote.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 12:22 PM
absolutely
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 12:23 PM
The Post Turtle
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President. The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is a ‘post turtle’.’ Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked what he meant. The old rancher told him, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.’ The old rancher the doctor was still puzzled, so he continued. ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there.’
Y’all can come up with your own Summer Lyrics.
B is for Bonehead, as BHO admits;
H is for Hussy, for prostituting kids;
O is for Oaf butt naked naïveté;
Barack Hussein will not win the day!
BTW, it is outrageous that anyone would exclude “Hussein” from BHO reference on the grounds that it sounds Muslim. Try on Barack. Try on Obama. Three strikes your out is still the rule.
maverick muse on June 6, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Who “implemented” this? What republicans are they? Where is the website?
The democrats had a website for “anyone but bush” and there were people who implemented this.
wise_man on June 6, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Once again, right, we find ourselves on opposite sides of the fence. You want a candidate that emulates a person who just lost? Did you stop to think for a second that maybe she lost because she appeared ruthless and manipulative?
Were we talking about a Congressional candidate, I might be more inclined to agree with you. It only makes sense that conservatives in the Congress should promote conservatism. They should out-argue their opponents to persuade the American people that conservatism is a better choice than liberalism.
The president, however, represents all Americans. He should promote his agenda, but he should at least appear willing to reach out to the other side, especially if his opponents control Congress. For example, consider the good working relationship that Reagan had with Speaker O’Neil.
DCGamer on June 6, 2008 at 12:26 PM
right4life “when there is no difference there is no reason to vote” so what about your namesake referencing the abortion stance? Difference noted.
I’ll kick McCain’s ass on border security and amnesty along with you as well. But he won’t murder aborted living babies and Obama will. Pretty stark difference there. Growing up in the desert, I learned to survive with what is available, and prepare for opportunities. Don’t reject the palatable water and swig of shade when the choice is dehydration and sun stroke. What of battle weary soldiers on D-Day; they’re not going to attack because things aren’t as promised or as desired or as planned?
maverick muse on June 6, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Nah, John Madden. (Makes as much sense.)
/boom!
Akzed on June 6, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Good one, DCGamer…the riposte of the day!
Sidelight: I can hardly wait to see how the Democrat voting patterns–and results–in the caucas states in November compare to the patterns & results in the primaries. Look for some superdelegates wiping egg off their faces election night.
glendower on June 6, 2008 at 12:34 PM
The GOP can’t attack Barry on some of his biggest weaknesses because John McCain agrees with him on them.
For instance, John and Barry both sent letters saying they’d have voted for Warner-Lieberman.
They’re both outraged at “obscene profits.”
Both support amnesty and access to the welfare state for illegal alien criminals.
McCain is actually to Barry’s left on limiting free speech, as far as I can tell.
misterpeasea on June 6, 2008 at 12:35 PM
I’m going to assume you didn’t read my response to someone else who mistakenly assumed I meant the RNC selected a candidate. So for your benefit, I’ll repost it for you below.
Understood?
Vaporman87 on June 6, 2008 at 12:36 PM
well bush won by ‘reaching out’ to the other side, but what really did we win? he’s an open border guy, there is no driling ANWR, no solution to the SS/medicare problems, and government has grown faster than ever.
its a pyrrhic victory at best
you think Obama will??? come on…the only ones who ‘reach out’ are the republicans…ie they bend over..
that was a myth. I remember the 80s, and while Reagan ‘reached out’ to O’neill…it was a one way street, like it always is.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 12:37 PM
What’s with all of the random irrelevant crap about Chicago, Red Pill? Did you just cover something in your 8th grade history class, and feel a need to show off your shiny new knowledge?
DaveS on June 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM
That’s because Obama is about HOPE and CHANGE! Don’t talk about the issues at all, talk about how cool Obama is. Keep flying toward the flame my little Democrat/Liberal moths… your doom is just a matter of time.
cannonball on June 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM
are you sure??
“John McCain has never indicated his support for a human life amendment,” Parro said. “And his position in support of embryonic stem-cell research indicates that Mr. McCain is not truly pro-life. If you support killing people at the very outset of their lives, then there is no possible way you would support ending legal abortion.”
McCain has voted repeatedly for funding for embryonic stem-cell research. He has also been criticized for opposing and then supporting the reversal of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion nationwide.
can’t post the link, it won’t put in the post…(from cnsnews)
bottom line, I don’t trust him…he betrays conservatives on all other issues, he will on this one.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Hmm.. here in Texas in my precinct, the “small percentage” of voters who crossed over to “mess with” our primary was 30%. That’s hardly an insignificant percentage. It was a deciding factor. I doubt this Texas precinct is unusual. The Dems played a much larger role than you give them credit for.
BTW, McCain had a puny .62% of the Texas vote in our August straw poll. He got a mere 8 votes out of a approx 1400. 8. The poll was swept by Duncan Hunter at 42% – Texans happen to know a conservative when they see one. McCain, on the other hand, was far beneath everyone including John Cox and some unknown named Ray McKinney. Obviously, Texans don’t like McCain. Tell Texans they “selected” McCain and you’ll get an angry snort. Yet, he “won” our primary after everyone else had dropped out – with a hefty push from Dems. Quite a “victory”, no?
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 12:42 PM
The RNC triangulated conservative voters by setting up straw dog candidates to split the conservative vote against McCain. These dogs then handed their bones back to McCain faster than woof travels
McCain was elected by crossovers and moderates, if you add up the conservative votes against him
You have to give the RNC credit for purging the party of the conservative vote. I assume they are positioning themselves to be a new moderate party
The ‘Get over it’ slam against Limbaugh at a recent party gathering is revealing
The RNCC has a website with a blog to comment on articles being emailed to the base
Republican Solutions and a Positive Agenda posted by Tom Cole May 16, 2008 outlined the bizarre new Republican Way.
Read the blog comments (from the targeted conservative mailing list) to see how outraged the base is
The RNC and RNCC have become surreal figments of their own yearnings
entagor on June 6, 2008 at 12:44 PM
beatcanvas and glendower
I agree that McCain NEEDS the VP to complete what otherwise is a hole ridden domestic image. If he’s too vain and stupid to realize this, what will be will be. But if McCain actually INVIGORATES his party platform, the stimulation will promote support. Given a strong conservative VP, McCain will win against the MSM the same way that America won over Congress’ attempt to overhaul immigration reform, irony noted. McCain MUST give us the conservative partner in office or he’s on his own maverick way of demise.
maverick muse on June 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Yeah McCain screwed up by trying to limit money in politics. He did. I thought he was right at the time too.I can admit I was wrong. Can you?
But as with all things the law of unintended consequences won. It always does. I’m not perfect, and neither is MCcain. He has warts. It’s called life.
But what does your name mean?
right4life. Is it about abortion?Because you are huge hypocrite to not vote against obama:
http://www.afajournal.org/2006/march/306abortion.asp
But if it IS that you are always right I
don’t want to waste my timerespectfully disagreetottoritodd on June 6, 2008 at 12:46 PM
You’re right, “implemented” makes it sound like they actually have a PLAN. That gives the RNC far too much credit. Thank you for correcting that.
By default, since they’ve chosen to run a substandard candidate, that’s the strategy the GOP is left with: Anyone but Obama.
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 12:47 PM
You are correct in your analysis of the current level of immorality in our nation.
Your linked post ends with
I understand the reference, but think about this…
Let’s pretend for a moment that you are on a sinking ship, but unlike the Titanic, the problem isn’t a lack of lifeboats, the problem is the ship is sinking fast and you need more time to get more people get on a lifeboat.
You’d probably pray for more time to help save more people.
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Jesus will return when God the Father sends him. No man knows the time. Until then, follow the Great Commission.
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 12:49 PM
right4life
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/John_McCain_Abortion.htm
Discern the difference between McCain and Obama.
Whatever fetal tissue use he supported in 2000 has changed since stemcell research has proven successful from adult tissue no longer “requiring” fetal tissue as the MSM had educated the public to believe falsely.
I agree that McCain NEEDS a VP who will manage domestic policy whilst McCain stays involved with his areas of strength that will require the full attention of whomever serves as POTUS now. Hence, all the more reason to have a viable VP like Bolton! Talk about a jolt of lightening to shock and awe the enemy–Bolton will deliver.
maverick muse on June 6, 2008 at 12:54 PM
I’m glad you’ve seen the light!
:-)
I know you’re being facetious now. But, you’ll thank God later. Literally.
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 12:55 PM
I was right about that issue…what should I admit to?
I don’t think there will be any difference in the judges obama or mccain picks. so how am I a hypocrite? if I bother to vote, I’ll vote constitution party.
unless you can guarantee that mccain will appoint real conservative judges, and not RINOS, then yeah you are wasting your time.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 12:55 PM
I’m sorry, but the huckster would be as bad as mccain. big gov guy, open borders….don’t care if he’s christian, he’s a socialist, just like mccain
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Please, y’all. McCain certainly has nothing to do with God or Jesus. Save that for your church or for a post that deals with Him.
Thank you.
DCGamer on June 6, 2008 at 12:58 PM
I don’t see mccain giving up much power to anyone, even a VP he picks. most senators are VERY conscious of their power and perks, and they don’t seem to want to give those up very easily.
you know that site you posted doesn’t help your cause very much….quote:
McCain said, “I’d love to see a point where Roe vs. Wade is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.”
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Wow – if that isn’t a lesson in the painful cluelessness of the RNC, I don’t know what is! Going Dem-lite is NOT the way to victory for the Republicans.
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Obama hasn’t yet accomplished ANYTHING.
McCain needs the conservative VP to counterbalance the maverick–that is a given. Otherwise, McCain could be parodied on SNL as a Marie Antoinette for inefficient efforts to placate the masses with half-baked cakes. But give Obama an inch, and all hell will break loose with no record of whatever happened left on the NEW books written from HOPE and CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN.
Obama 86
maverick muse on June 6, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Amen. The Huckster is a nanny-stater. A big fat HELL-no to him.
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 1:01 PM
right4life
“doesn’t help your cause”
maverick muse on June 6, 2008 at 1:03 PM
he will…he’ll ‘take care’ of the US…capiche??
both of these guys are a disaster…we’re in a great deal of trouble…
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 1:07 PM
When I want a guarantee I’ll order a pizza in under 30 minutes….
When I vote, I’ll use my brain
Don’t be an Obama, answer the question… My name means my name is Todd and I live in Tottori Japan..
And you?
or are you to
naiveyoung to understand the question?tottoritodd on June 6, 2008 at 1:07 PM
you’re too dumb to get it obviously, and twits like you telling me I should vote for mccain ain’t gonna cut it.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Can’t answer the question can you? Ask me one. I won’t call you
a twitnames.It’s called being a grown up. I don’t care who you vote for.
tottoritodd on June 6, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Perhaps we should take issue about Bush determining the character of Putin and note that if people think that’s a negative, Obama fares no better (worse in fact) with his judgement regarding Rezko, Wright, Pfleger and Ayers and whoever else pops up.
aikidoka on June 6, 2008 at 1:11 PM
This is all water under the bridge. There is no point to continuing this debate. The Republican candidate is chosen.
Now you have a choice. 1. Do you vote for him? 2. Do you vote for his opponent? 3. Do you stay home or vote for a third party candidate? If you do not choose option one, then by default, you are selecting option two.
If you are very concerned about the direction of this country, then you should be mobiliziing for local conservative candidates and for conservative Congressional candidates. You should start laying the groundwork for the 2012 presidential election. Have you ever sent money to the campaign of a candidate that you like? If you haven’t, then you might as well piss up a rope. Why should anyone pay attention to you if you are unwilling to put your money where your mouth is? Complaining is easy. Anyone can do it.
DCGamer on June 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM
when you become one, let me know. don’t worry, I won’t hold my breath!
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Wrong.
McCain is putting himself forward as someone to vote for.
The GOP is supporting McCain and asking for voters help to elect him.
It’s only your straw man argument that McCain is a substandard candidate and this election is about ‘anyone but Obama’ – especially since the left wing organizations are in full force attempting to lie to the voters by saying that a vote for McCain is nothing more than a ‘third Bush term.’
Again, as I said before – For my tastes, there are way too many people commenting here that seem to be working for the democrats, when they advocate the loss of this election, and declare 2008 already a defeat. Rush Limbaugh publicly announced his ‘operation chaos’ against the democrats, and I am convinced that a few democrat trolls (along with more than a few idiot republican trolls) have taken upon themselves to do the same to us. Chaos. Distention in the ranks. Sour grapes that their more conservative candidade got fewer votes than McCain, who earned every one of them.
This benefits the democrats.
I’ll have no part of it, and I’ll pushback on every attempted sabotage of this election for the democrat’s behalf and or idiotic comments and postings by either liberal trolls or insane conservatives that as I see – benefit no one but the democrats.
wise_man on June 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Still can’t answer? Don’t hold your breath, it would just confirm your age
What do you mean right4life ? It’s pretty simple.
tottoritodd on June 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM
DCGamer:
You should start laying the groundwork for the 2012 presidential election.
DONE.
Have you ever sent money to the campaign of a candidate that you like?
And DONE. And not just money, but my time – full-time.
So you must not be talking to me.
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Why not try some of that pushback on McCain and his idiot policy positions? And his strategery? Conservatives and Republicans aren’t abandoning him, he beat us to it a while back. His strategery to get elected is to alienate conservatives and suck up to Democrats and “independents.” And, apparently, have some of his Rockefeller Republican buddies try to browbeat conservatives into voting for him. Good luck with that.
He wants to cripple the economy to fight a hoax. Grant amnesty and access to the welfare state. Close Gitmo. Forbid drilling. Confiscate “obscene profits,” for crying out loud. Make the rich “pay their fair share.”
He’s Joe Lieberman.
I’d rather Democrats take responsibility for all this stupid, self-destructive crap.
misterpeasea on June 6, 2008 at 1:18 PM
how hard is this?? it means I am pro-life, and have been conservative all my life.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Hit a nerve, have I?
Clinton and Obama are Alinsky Marxists. Chicago is very relevant.
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 1:18 PM
so true.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 1:19 PM
wise_man:
McCain is putting himself forward as someone to vote for.
To WHOM?! Not conservatives. Sure, he’s putting himself forward as someone for moderates, liberals, that oh-so-squishy middle, and disaffected Hillary supporters to vote for. Inspirational.
It’s only your straw man argument that McCain is a substandard candidate and this election is about ‘anyone but Obama’
Not so. Just take a look at the comments here at HA. If you’ve read “If you vote third-party/abstain/vote down-ticket only, then you’re voting FOR Obama” once, then you’ve read it a thousand times. We’re being told, time and again, that we HAVE to vote against Obama or else…
Sour grapes that their more conservative candidade got fewer votes than McCain, who earned every one of them.
Not so. See my comment above.
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Remember Who Wanted to Debate…and Who Didn’t
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM
he’s a liberal thats not a ’straw man’ just the truth.
its a lie!! at least Bush had tax cuts…
but he hasn’t earned my vote, and with policies like:
amnesty
global warming
closing club gitmo
mccain feingold
no ‘torture’
he never will.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 1:25 PM
So please tell me how their is NO difference between McCain(always votes prolife 30 year record) and Obama who thinks that a baby who comes out of a women alive is not a person
http://www.afajournal.org/2006/march/306abortion.asp
are the same? I am truely sorry if I seem naive, or stupid but there seems to be a HUGE differnce between them. Yet you seem to think they are the same. I think we can disagree on many things, but this one I just don’t understand.
And thank you for your answer to my first question….
tottoritodd on June 6, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Sorry, you’re barkin’ up the wrong tree. Huckabee is a huge part of the reason we got stuck with McCain. One more reason I despise him, besides his being a big government nanny-stater.
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 1:27 PM
1. I did. When the republican primary came to my state, I voted against McCain. My candidate lost. The idiot republicans who voted for McCain earlier gave him the momentum, and by the time it came to my state, McCain was already out in front. A few states later, McCain clinched it.
2. Yes you are. When conservatives and republicans lie about McCain, when they act like democrats who are also lying and trash talking McCain, it is people like you who are abandoning him. He’s the republican nominee. It’s over. Fred Thompson isn’t going to come out of nowhere and become the republican nominee, it’s McCain.
3. It is not. You are mistaken. Your opinion is not the truth.
4. again, your opinion is without merit. Just because your candidate lost, this and other actions by you and others like you serve no other purpose than to divide this party, and ensure Obama will be the next president. If you are successful at what you are saying and doing.
I am going to fight you at every step – because I don’t want Obama to be the next president.
wise_man on June 6, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Sorry but you are naive(Its ok) or you are a plant(not ok)
Either way its Obam 2008 Or
McCain(warts and all) 2008.
A little thinking and its easy to me. If its not to you I’m sorry
tottoritodd on June 6, 2008 at 1:35 PM
I have already. McCain says he is pro-life, but he’s for fetal tissue research. his judges will be liberals, like Souter, watch for it, which will be the only area that he can really effect the abortion issue. the congress will be overwhelmingly democratic, so there will be no pro-life legislation coming out. and I don’t think he will oppose what they want to do on abortion, in the name of ‘reaching out’
I don’t think the distinctions will make a differnce when it comes down to it. I don’t trust mccain on this issue, or any other issue. and he will so damage ‘conservatism’ that it will be out of power for at least a generation. At least with Obama, we have a chance to restore the country in 2012, like Carter and Reagan. with mccain, no chance.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 1:36 PM
There is a point in continuing this debate up to election day for 3 reasons
1. Because the party has great control over candidates. Candidates who do not follow the party line are taken out
by the party, which led to Specter being elected in PA. Elected officials who do not follow the party line are ostracized, and marginalized like Tancredo.
2. Because it is a free country although the electoral process was disgracefully manipulated in the primaries by the GOP to exclude voices on the right.
3. Most important reason is to highlight the gangster tactics of the opposition. The GOP is repackaging the party as a moderate party and is using coercion to either force conservatives out of the party, or force them to remain voiceless in the party
entagor on June 6, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Thank you for your disagreement, but also for understanding of the big picture. I became a Republican because of people’s thinking like yours. I didn’t always agree with Bush on everything, but I always knew he was thinking long term. When Republicans change that I will have to change. I hope I never have to.
tottoritodd on June 6, 2008 at 1:40 PM
“big gov guy”? Wrong. Watch that video and tell me what he says about big government.
“open borders”? Wrong.
Stop lying about Huckabee.
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 1:40 PM
its obvious you’re not thinking. just because ‘bush pushed it’ doesn’t mean its ‘conservative’ or good.
oh please, this is laughable. you’re voting for a lib, mccain, and I’m a ‘plant’
I’m part of the vast left wing conspiracy
right. laughable!!
I was conservative before you were born. but I will not compromise my principles for the lesser of 2 evils…especially when I don’t think there is any difference between the choices, and you cannot point to any. and I don’t think there is a difference on the abortion issue.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 1:40 PM
his record in arkansas speaks for itself.
As governor of Arkansas, Huckabee dramatically increased state spending. During his two-term tenure, spending increased by more than 65 percent — at three times the rate of inflation.
The number of government workers increased by 20 percent, and the state’s debt services increased by nearly $1 billion. Huckabee financed his spending binge with higher taxes. Under his leadership, the average Arkansan’s tax burden increased 47 percent, according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, including increases in the state’s gas, sales, income, and cigarette taxes. He raised taxes on everything from groceries to nursing home beds.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316496,00.html
Novak has nothing to say about Huckabee’s unrepentant open-borders record:
For shamnesty.
For recycling McCain-esque insults of American workers.
For pandering to identity politics.
And not only for government in-state illegal alien tuition discounts, but for expanding them beyond what the federal DREAM Act proposed. Here’s the vid of his remarks supporting the scheme via th
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/26/mike-huckabees-open-borders-record/
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 1:44 PM
here’s the difference, I’m not a republican, I’m a christian conservative.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Truer words have never been spoken.
This comment thread has certainly distinguished the endless whiners from the problem-solvers!
Gilda on June 6, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Right and Redhead, we got your point. You don’t like McCain. You will not vote for McCain. You do not mind/care if Obama is elected.
I do not care if you want to ride that sinking ship all the way to the bottom. Please do not try to drag me and others here down with you. You cannot persuade me that your choice is the best choice for our country. I am not a fan of McCain, but he is head and shoulders above Obama.
There is a HUGE difference between McCain and Obama. I am no longer going to try to persuade you since you are too close-minded to hear anything but your own voice.
Remember, right, I support same-sex marriage. At least if Obama gets elected, we will see more of those in this country than if McCain gets elected. Don’t blame me, though. I will vote for McCain, and you (by default) support Obama.
DCGamer on June 6, 2008 at 1:56 PM
I don’t have a voice, but I have a vote, which they won’t get. they want a ‘moderate’ party, fine, but I won’t be part of it…when they get a reagan, I’ll be there.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 1:56 PM
My last post. Thank you for your thoughts. But you are either a “conservative” or not. You shouldn’t worry about “damage” to your belief. You should beleive you are right or not. It’s not about politics really. If you are right, don’t wait for the next election because its more strategic.
McCain is not perfect. Not even close. But at the time who was? Let history judge. Anyone who says they voted for the perfect candidate is a liar or too nostalgic. We live in a rapidly changing world. We make the best choices we can. Anyone who is honest will admit this.
So make your choice, but LIVE with it good or bad. That is the difference between left and right today. I don’t judge people on their choices as much as how they deal with the consequences of those decisions. We all make choices. It’s how we deal with them that define us.
tottoritodd on June 6, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Your hatred blinds you from the truth.
Anyone who quit the race before McCain reached 1191 pledged delegates is “a huge part of the reason we got stuck with McCain”.
Thompson was a McCain stalking horse to ensure McCain, not Huckabee, won SC.
Giuliani was a McCain stalking horse to ensure McCain, not Romney, won FL.
I knew a lot of Democrats voted for McCain in FL, I didn’t know (until I read it above) that a lot of Democrats voted for McCain in TX.
The Socialists aren’t afraid of McCain.
The Socialists are very afraid of Huckabee.
The MSM was complicit in selling the lie: “McCain is the presumptive nominee, and it is mathematically impossible for Huckabee to win”.
Romney joined the axis of evil when he (along with McCain) refused to participate in the Feb. 2nd debate. They were trying to trivialize Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul.
Romney should have stayed in until either:
1) McCain reached 1191, or
2) No one reached 1191 and it forced a brokered convention
Romney was clearly in McCain’s back pocket when he quit on Feb 7th and tried to force Huckabee to quit, by implying that continuing his fight against McCain would
Romney was again clearly in McCain’s back pocket when he “released” his delegates to McCain on Feb 14th in another attempt to force Huckabee to quit.
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 1:57 PM
I know I cannot, but it is the best choice for the country. its either have a very slightly less liberal for 4 years, and watching the country sink as he ‘reaches out’ to the democrats, with ‘conservatism’ getting the blame…..or
watch the country sink, and have a chance to get it back in 4 years with a real conservative with some real ideas on how to actually fix things..
you’re not thinking strategically.
wish you were right, but I doubt it.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Interesting that you voted against McCain…
So, now it’s anyone but Obama, eh?
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 2:00 PM
but I’m in this for the long term, and I have kids, so I have to think strategically. what is best in the long run.
its not like I have any choice, I’m not planning on checking out of this life.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Nobody on G-d’s green earth is AFRAID of Huckabee.
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 2:01 PM
if he gets any power, I am!!
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 2:03 PM
He’ll be better than Reagan.
Watch and see.
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 2:05 PM
I’ve been alive almost 50 years, and NO ONE has been better than Reagan.
but Huckabee will never get power, so its a moot point
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Look, Red Pill, I’m sorry I got a little snarky there in my last comment. There’s no need for me to be that way, especially since you really believe in Huckabee. Though I vehemently disagree, I certainly don’t want to make that personal with you. I really don’t mean to insult you, RP, it’s just that I don’t have any respect at all for Huckabee. He reminds of a smarmy televangelist, and I find that detestable.
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 2:09 PM
I remind you that as great as Reagan was, he was responsible for signing Amnesty version 1 and nominating pro-choice Sandra Day O’Connor to the Supreme Court.
Huckabee will be good for his word on immigration and will nominate strict constructionists who believe that life is a a God-given unalienable right.
The Socialists are very afraid of President Huckabee.
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Yes, and we must learn from those MISTAKES, not repeat them.
Redhead Infidel on June 6, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Sorry, I lied about my last post. If you REALLY have kids, then you know you always have a choice. No one is asking you to live or die. Thats the only time you can at least argue you don’t have a choice(a gun at your head), but even then you do have a choice.
I didn’t have a choice only works (and not even then) if you made the wrong choice – see Nuremburg Trials.
tottoritodd on June 6, 2008 at 2:13 PM
I understand. I detest the wolves in sheep’s clothing as much as you do. But don’t project that on Huckabee. While no one is perfect, he is an extremely decent man and he’ll be a great President.
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 2:15 PM
No. It’s not interesting. I liked another candidate more than McCain. My candidate lost. In the Primary. We are now looking toward the general election of McCain and Obama.
No. It’s not “anyone but Obama” that is your strawman argument. I support the republican ticket.
People like you (and democrats) support democratsOr alt least, their actions will result in a democrat becoming the next president. So, … same thing.
wise_man on June 6, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Yes. Which is exactly why we need Huckabee, not McCain.
Obama is running for Carter’s second term
McCain is running for George H. W. Bush’s second term
You want more Souter’s on the SCOTUS bench?
You’d get that plus Amnesty 2.0 from McCain.
Red Pill on June 6, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Is he really? W’s Second term???? Wow. That McCain sure is a crafty son of a b.
wise_man on June 6, 2008 at 2:28 PM
no, I’ve just been lying to you. right…
as for the rest….huh????
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 2:39 PM
[Psst... Yes they are effectively working for the Democrats. But a whole lot of them are doing it via leftover Ron Paul retardation... ]
Gilda on June 6, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Since you have no proof of that, you could say he will do what he says he will do and appoint Roberts and Alito. *rolls eyes*
Or we will be an irradiated husk of a country.
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Thy word is an anthem to my heart…
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 2:55 PM
I knew G-d was punishing us for OConnor
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 3:04 PM
uh yeah bet you think he’ll close the border and build the GD fence too!! too funny!!
again you think mccain will make a difference? he’ll pander to the muslims like he panders to the hispanics….and if we are, oh well our problems are done.
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 3:11 PM
shhhhh don’t let them in on the conspiracy!!!
things are going as ve have planned…
right4life on June 6, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Yes I think he will, he will do what we pressure him to do. The overwhelming desire for a fence is clear.
What to do with the ones already here is not as clear.
Squid Shark on June 6, 2008 at 3:20 PM
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