Video: Elderly man left for dead in street as cars drive past
posted at 12:00 pm on June 5, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Via Breitbart. The old O’Reilly conundrum recurs: Is this exploitation or a shame-inducing corrective to bad behavior? For me it falls into the same category as the Florida girlfight, something you wouldn’t think twice about if it was described to you but which you won’t soon forget once you’ve actually seen it. Rough stuff, and the accident itself is captured in excruciating detail, so please observe this, your official content warning.
Minor mitigating factor: The victim is still alive. Sort of.
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no one even tried to talk to him?
tottoritodd on June 5, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Find those bastards and plug ‘em.
Save Angel Torres, Lord.
TexasDan on June 5, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Reminds me of the Kitty Genovese killing.
Society ceases to function when good people do nothing.
highhopes on June 5, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Nice hit and run. What has happened to people of the world?
carbon_footprint on June 5, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Good Lord. No one stopped to help him?
amerpundit on June 5, 2008 at 12:07 PM
The response time of the police was astounding. Patrol car was on the scene in less than 70 seconds.
RushBaby on June 5, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Obama’s bus anywhere in the area?
profitsbeard on June 5, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Incredible.
You have to love the guy on the motorcycle. I thought he was coming back to help, but he was pulling U-turn.
Hening on June 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM
this isn’t how it happens in the movies.
jp on June 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM
well its connecticut afterall, a blue state. They expect the Govt. to take care of everything
jp on June 5, 2008 at 12:12 PM
lol, maybe that was Rezko…
pseudonominus on June 5, 2008 at 12:12 PM
RedLasso sucks
I haven’t been able to watch vids since you started using it…some bizarre problem with 32-bit flash running within a 64-bit platform.
Arse.
LimeyGeek on June 5, 2008 at 12:12 PM
It’s possible the motorcycle rider was going for help after the other people who finally walked out into the street told him to…who knows.
And I bet this sort of reaction happens more often than we’d like to think…it’s just that this time they caught it on film.
Asher on June 5, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Had a pedestrian hit in front of me as she tried to cross traffic when I was in college, probably around 1994 or so. Folks were out of their cars trying to help almost before she finished flipping and hit the ground.
What is wrong with those people? Is it a big city “ignore everybody unless it doesn’t directly concern me” thing?
Bob Owens on June 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Is this even a Redlasso clip? It’s displaying as Flow player for me.
I think you should grab a hold of your leg…your knee is jerking around.
Asher on June 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Well, one bystander appears to immediately be calling 911 (presumably) on a cell phone, looking mildly agitated. But I think it’s the same bystander who later seems to be hovering near Mr. Torres taking pictures of him with the same cell phone, so I guess that shatters my hope for humanity.
Someone did call 911 quickly, though, or I don’t think that patrol car would have been there so fast. Perhaps the cop was just coincidentally passing by at that moment and noticed a body in the street. At least he didn’t just swerve around Mr. Torres and keep going, like everyone else did.
aero on June 5, 2008 at 12:16 PM
3 cars and the large dump truck just drive on by! WTF
The guy on the motorcycle/scooter just does a U-ey so he can get a better look at the carnage. I’m surprised he didn’t take a pic on his cell phone, the heartless bastage!
omnipotent on June 5, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Step, step, turn, step, step, step, turn (and I ain’t talking about the HnR victim). Souless, simple as that.
Limerick on June 5, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Those people are sad.
Dr. Manhattan on June 5, 2008 at 12:18 PM
It’s a classic example of diffusion of responsibility. If a large group of people see something bad happening that they can stop, it is very unlikely that one person will act to stop it. If this were at night and there was one person on the sidewalk that saw it, I’m sure that person would call for help.
Jeff_McAwesome on June 5, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Correction: It reminds you of what you think you know about the Kitty Genovese killing.
Jim Treacher on June 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Typical yanks…
ClassicCon on June 5, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Gawd. The hit-and-run is bad enough — you always have a few crazies in every society. But only a terminally ill micro-culture can produce that many people capable of driving/walking by without helping.
BTW, looks like the first pedestrian (in white shirt) to approach the victim was merely taking pictures/video with his cellphone. Scum.
Splashman on June 5, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Holy Sh/1!, I was not ready for that.
TheSitRep on June 5, 2008 at 12:25 PM
At least work didn’t block Redlasso entirely for you. This sucks!
upinak on June 5, 2008 at 12:25 PM
We yanks do help each other, thank you very much.
blatantblue on June 5, 2008 at 12:27 PM
No telling how many witnesses called 911 tho’ but were too freaked out to try to help themselves.
Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2008 at 12:27 PM
In comparison to whom?
Hening on June 5, 2008 at 12:28 PM
It’s getting hard to love this country anymore…
ronsfi on June 5, 2008 at 12:28 PM
I love it, but I agree it’s getting harder to be proud of it.
Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2008 at 12:29 PM
At least three times when I have gone to assist someone who looked to be dead or dying I was assaulted. I’ve had a few jobs that took men into sketchy, the sketchiest places. So I’ve seen a lot of bodies on the ground. Per my experience, someone lying on the ground in public usually got there from being loaded or burnt out from being loaded.
Everybody who needs help can’t get help. Also, just because somebody needs your help does not mean they will accept it.
But my dad was a doctor and a God-fearing man. He taught me to stop and help when you come across someone in immediate need. So I’m one of those guys who does approach another guy getting too violent with his lady friend or the derelict looking a little too lifeless.
What I’ve found is that many people are afraid. Others feel like they could be getting scammed or set up. Lots of people just don’t giveafuck.
Stop and survey. Be safe yourself. If you’re with your kids or loved ones, just keep rolling call 911.
Civic mindedness is contagious. Infect someone you love today.
The Race Card on June 5, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Actually people helping or not is pretty common.
A man collapsed at a gas station of a heart attack. I was the only one who helped him, did CPR asked the attendant who was asking what I was doing for his coat to put under the mans head to open his airway. The police arrived 5 minutes later… and the man died.
That day still haunts me. :(
upinak on June 5, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Home of the free and land of the entitled
Kini on June 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM
I am shocked! No one even tried to steal his wallet.
Ars Moriendi on June 5, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Indeed. While I’m surprised that the one person driving on the man’s side of the road didn’t try to block the road (instead merely turning around), you can’t blame people driving by while a crowd has gathered; what can the people in the cars do that the crowd can’t? As for the rest, perhaps they felt that they’d be just as likely to hurt as help if they interfered without the benefit of medical training. The best they could do is call 911 and ask others if they either called 911 or had medical training.
Yep: No one saw her murder, they merely witnessed a small part of a beating that preceded her murder, having no idea what was happening. It’s sad, but it was sensationalized by the papers into something that it really wasn’t.
calbear on June 5, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Doesn’t surprise me one wit. Listen to this (if you have ears to hear):
CyberCipher on June 5, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Maybe we are related… But I feel the same. I sickened me to watch people who don’t do anything. Makes me wonder if these people have any feeling or are in shock after they see something happen or just don’t care.
Apathy is a good thing… more people should have this emotion!
upinak on June 5, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I vow right here and now that if I ever run accross this senario I will block the road with my car. Get out. Try to talk to the injured person. Call 911.
As for the cars driving by, I don’t want to be so quick to accuse them of being so heartless. I don’t know what the communications were like between them and the people on the sidewalk who whitnessed the Hit and Run. For all we know they could have talked to the people on the sidewalk who said they already called 911. With that information the people in the cars could have driven around the neighborhood with the instructions/intentions to find a cop or doctor. They knew 911 had been called so they figured they would see if anybody else was nearby with the means to help this person.
That is what I want to believe happened anyways.
Zetterson on June 5, 2008 at 12:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSEMAqXoQpk
abinitioadinfinitum on June 5, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Empathy or apathy? Doesn’t apathy mean lack of feeling or emotion?
Zetterson on June 5, 2008 at 12:36 PM
As an EMT I can say that what people do there is what they do everywhere, they are paralyzed by fear. They want to help, but they don’t know how to help, so they stay back and stay away. If you don’t see people like we do every day get hurt, it shocks you. I mean a warning was posted here about the content…why? Because it was shocking. Now, imagine being there.
The people who gathered there I am sure were not saying “Wow, cool, that was awesome!” I am sure they were saying “Holy S***!”
I can’t even begin to count the times when I have arrived on scene and the people who were standing around were more than willing to jump right in and help….when told what to do!
Again, I am sure people wanted to help, they were gathering near him, but fear is a great paralyzer.
RobertInAustin on June 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM
I saw this on Live Leak and the description says that the police were on the way to an unrelated call when they came upon this scene. That’s why they were there so quickly.
I can’t help but notice that when a clip like this shows up people are mad at bystanders and the drivers. But if the guy had been on a bicycle some people would be saying he shouldn’t have been on the road in the first place. Some would be making jokes about it. Why is it bad when a pedestrian gets hit by a car but not when a cyclist gets hit by a car?
deewhybee on June 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Empathy… thank you for the correction, mis-typed. Still early here and coffee hasn’t really kicked in yet.
upinak on June 5, 2008 at 12:39 PM
WOW! So much for my wishful thinking. Nobody even called 911. That is absolutely horrific. Unbelievable lack of humanity.
Zetterson on June 5, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Great comment/story.
ronsfi, Spirit, and Kini, indeed. It’s becoming more and more eyebrow-raising. Most bothersome to me is when in extremely serious accidents, when someone runs a red light, cars are totalled, people could be dead, and all the witnesses cautiously drive by, without stopping to help, not even to call 911.
Forget about the most decent thing to do, after asking to help, if needed, leave a card with name and number to provide a statement to the appropriate sources. Cold, very cold, and it’s only getting more and more so, sadly.
But don’t think that it’s any different in the European Western world. Visitors from there always remark that people here at least say “hi” to neighborhood walkers, including that the kids say “hi”.
Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:41 PM
very true…
whats the collie’s take on this??? :-)
right4life on June 5, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Many thanks :-)
LimeyGeek on June 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Hartford sucks, let me tell ya, for a “helpful” bunch of people. I could tell ya stories…
JetBoy on June 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM
The video is now on FOX news.
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I’m still speechless but this type of thing has been going on far too long.
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The Race Card, That is a beautiful thought, Thank You.
abinitioadinfinitum on June 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM
OK. Wasn’t trying to be overly picky. Just a little confused.
Zetterson on June 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM
I also think that we, as a ’society’, have slit our own throats vis-a-vis our litigious nature.
I suspect many people simply do not wish to ‘get involved’ and expose themselves to some bottom-feeder trawling for easy lawsuit money.
Having said that, if I saw this happen I would certainly stop – a hit’n'run is a different kettle of fish than seeing some bum passed out in an alley.
LimeyGeek on June 5, 2008 at 12:47 PM
In the report that abinitioadinfinitum posted, it is stated that NO ONE called 911.
The cop must have just happened to be driving by, thank God. No thanks to the jackasses that were standing around.
And to those that are making excuses for the jackasses, don’t even try. Yes, they might have been shocked, but when I’m shocked, I don’t casually stroll by, as most of the people on the sidewalk did. I’d run out there, block traffic, scream for someone to call 911, etc. Perhaps I’d feel too helpless to actually assist the injured man, but I’m sure as hell am not going to just walk/drive on by. And if I’m driving and see an injured man in the road, I’d at least stop — I’m not going to care about blocking traffic.
The thing that really gets me is NOT A SINGLE PERSON ran to help immediately, or call 911.
Splashman on June 5, 2008 at 12:50 PM
no really thanks. I haven’t been sleeping well and I swear I typed empathy… 8:50 am and I am still trying to wake up.
upinak on June 5, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Interesting observation, especially since this particular pedestrian was jaywalking across a busy street. If he or either driver hadn’t been in places they weren’t legally supposed to be in, this wouldn’t have happened. I suppose it’s a reminder to us all that traffic rules are there for a reason. How many of us will jaywalk home tonight?! None of us deserves to be hit, but this should remind us to be a bit safer than we’re accustomed to being.
The police probably don’t have time to investigate who (if anyone) called 911, so the news report of no one calling 911 might be inaccurate. I hope.
calbear on June 5, 2008 at 12:52 PM
What were the two cars who swerved around the SUV and hit the old man doing? It looked to me as if they were either racing or else one was chasing the other for some other reason. Have they been caught? Strung up yet? I sure hope so.
Zetterson on June 5, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…..spit
For the EMT’s, I appreciate your insight. I’m sure your perspective is one that not many will ever appreciate. My problem was the TOTAL lack of common sense action. Fear or not, law suits or not, simple common sense….stop traffic, provide the victim with warmth (shirts, jackets, ANYTHING),
simple, non-threatening action. I didn’t see any. The cop who pulled up was by serendipity. He was on his way to a different call.
This was a typical reaction of people who have been programmed to only think of themselves.
Limerick on June 5, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Okay, what I think I know. The point wasn’t the killing itself but the morality play that occurred afterward. Happy? ;-0
highhopes on June 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Lawyers need to take some to the blame. The first thought in everyone’s mind is “Will I get sued if I try to help?” People know that lawyers will go after them if anything goes wrong.
Shame on the driver and shame on all who drove or walked past.
Mojave Mark on June 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM
My collie says:
Not only that, but in spite of the human’s superior visual acuity, many insist on following the lead of blind guides.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on June 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM
upinak, it’s ok. Apathy is totally on topic :)
Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:55 PM
The drivers of both cars should be tried, as they both were involved in the accident and fled the scene.
Mark Jaquith on June 5, 2008 at 12:56 PM
lot of wisdom in that old dog…
right4life on June 5, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Everything is the sum of it’s parts. Kind of hard to love or be proud of the whole when it seems to have such a large and increasing number of defective parts.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM
They were passing an SUV in the tape. The first driver missed, the second driver then clobbered the vic. Doesn’t excuse him, just saying what I saw in the tape.
Limerick on June 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM
This man is apparently paralyzed from the neck down. If someone had kindly placed a makeshift pillow under this man’s head to make him more comfortable, how certain are we that this would not have resulted in a lawsuit claiming that this act of kindness caused the paralysis?
I know I’m dwelling on the ugly side of things here – and I assure you I’m disgusted by the apparent absence of compassion in the vid – but I am serious when I suggest that we have collectively made ourselves a revolting bed to lie in.
LimeyGeek on June 5, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Hartford, CT is an urban hell-hole. It’s dangerous there. I’m not surprised. Wonder if the driver was licensed/legal/insured, etc.
JiangxiDad on June 5, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Cyber, your collie is more caring than humans. Shelties-owner here. Adore them.
Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 1:01 PM
I can understand when there’s a fight, and people don’t want to butt in — it could be dangerous. I can understand when there’s a drunk passed out in the alley and people don’t stop to help — they don’t really know what the situation is. I could have understood, in this situation, if people hadn’t actually tried to physically help the man, but had called 911, blocked traffic, etc. But that’s not what happened. Lots of people saw the accident, and didn’t seem to bat an eyelash — didn’t even break stride, unless it were to snap a picture. That is NOT due to an overly-litigious society.
Splashman on June 5, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Just sick. Hartford, not too surprising.
When you rely on the government to “take care” of everything, I think your willingness to help others fades.
WisCon on June 5, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Entelechy,
As abinitioadinfinitum points out in the news coverage of the tragedy, the “not my job”, “forgot my cell phone” mentality is pathetic.
Probably the result of no longer teaching civics in school anymore.
Kini on June 5, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Since we have an EMT reading, what is your advice? Seems to me that there is danger in approaching a victim of a violent trauma such as this. Moving or rolling the victim over could result in more damage.
RushBaby on June 5, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Really unfortunate the video they have is so highly compressed. It makes it unlikely that they’ll be able to get the license plate number. There is a technique for doing it. It involves taking sample letters of 0-9 A-Z in the license plate font, and bluring/compressing them to the same extent. Then you compare blurred blobs to look for the best match, letter by letter. But the data here is really crappy. I’ll be amazed if they get results (if this is indeed the best quality they have).
Mark Jaquith on June 5, 2008 at 1:04 PM
LimeyGeek on June 5, 2008 at 12:58 PM
This is the only country where the amount of lawyers is probalby double that of eingineers.
See case in Japan where the patient left with a towel in his tummy isn’t even contemplating a lawsuit. W/b a nirvana case here.
Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Certainly the injured should not be moved except by the pros in a case like this. I would agree that we don’t want crowds rushing in and trying to get him up on his feet or trying to move him out of the street.
I’m surprised that the anger here is directed more at the passerby and not at the hit and run driver.
TexasDan on June 5, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Engineers…upinak, send more coffe over here too.
Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Traffic accidents happen all the time. The revolting element to this story is not the jaywalking, the hit-and-run, or the injury. It’s the reaction (or lack thereof) of bystanders/passersby. That’s the reason this is news.
Splashman on June 5, 2008 at 1:06 PM
JiangxiDad on June 5, 2008 at 12:59 PM
JetBoy on June 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Agreed, most of Connecticut’s urban centers are horrific hell holes, New Haven makes Hartford look good! Big government entitlement, All Hail the Mess…
dmann on June 5, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Who said anything about moving him?
Limerick on June 5, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Only if they get the licence plates.
upinak on June 5, 2008 at 1:07 PM
This is far worse, even worse than the exaggerated claims of what happened. At least in that instance there was danger in coming over to help. In this instance, it would have taken nothing for anyone in that crowd to at least go over and see if the man was OK and talk to him, comfort him.
This is inexcusable.
And you’re right, Allah, this is a video that needs to be seen. When I read it, it meant very little to me, no more than the parable of the Good Samaritan, only without the hero. Seeing it makes me sick.
I understand being scared to approach him, but someone could have at least done something, something to show some kind of human decency.
Esthier on June 5, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Oh, and how long until they blame this on Grand Theft Auto?
Mark Jaquith on June 5, 2008 at 1:08 PM
There is something about the behavior of the cars that strikes me though. They are very close to eachother. They are similar cars. The drivers are both driving wrecklessly together with is sort of unusual. When cars drive wrecklessly its usually not done in pairs. That is why I think they were either racing or one was chasing the other for some reason. If they were racing then both of them should be dangling from a rope today.
Zetterson on June 5, 2008 at 1:08 PM
dmann on June 5, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Bridgeport is also another hellhole.
Kini on June 5, 2008 at 1:08 PM
I really doubt that. If someone is a doctor or a nurse (or if they had actually been sued before under similar circumstances) they might well think of that, but otherwise I don’t think that would even enter most peoples heads, until maybe later anyway.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Coffee, darn it.
Valid points, both. Change we need, and can believe in…it’s a coming. Believe! Yes, we can, and, yes, we will…NOT!
We’re on our way to a place between the third world and what used to be.
Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 1:09 PM
It could be argued they didn’t want to move the fellow, and they’d be right considering it was a spinal injury. However, perhaps someone should have stopped traffic or gone near him.
What on earth was he doing playing in traffic anyway?!
AbaddonsReign on June 5, 2008 at 1:10 PM
I’m leaning toward the stone age myself. Has to be better then the matrix offered by the lefties.
Limerick on June 5, 2008 at 1:11 PM
My fingers are crossed for that. Something tells me that not one of the dolts strolling around the scene of the crime had the awareness to take note of the plate number. Just a guess.
Zetterson on June 5, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Fear of litigation or concern that moving him was clearly not what motivated most of these bystanders and passers-by to stay away from the victim. Assuming I had the presence of mind in the panic of the moment to consider my own liability and/or the state of the victim’s spinal cord, I still would have tried to make sure he didn’t get run over again, and might have even knelt on the pavement near him to hold his hand, comfort him if he was conscious, try to get him to “stay with me,” assure him that I had called 911, etc. I might even have started quizzing others to see if anyone had a good description of the cars or a license plate number and started jotting them into my iPhone for the police. There’s lots people could have done.
aero on June 5, 2008 at 1:12 PM
I think all states have the Law that lets you help without being sued, good samaritian. I know the family, of whom the father I was doing CPR on, tried to sue me. They didn’t get far since I was the only person helping him. The judge saw through the BS and waved the law suit.
I am grateful that I didn’t lose anything but saddened that the family tried to sue me and blame me for their fathers death, even though I was trying to save him. I thnk they did it out of grief.
Havelnut coffee on it’s way!
upinak on June 5, 2008 at 1:12 PM
(OT. Had a shelty-mixed. Lived til 18. Loved her!)
JiangxiDad on June 5, 2008 at 1:12 PM
C/b so many causes – dementia, forgetfulness, Alzheimers, lost…hard to tell.
Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Hazelnut…
WOW… I am going to have to drink a pot today. Excuse my obscene typoes please!
upinak on June 5, 2008 at 1:14 PM
I suspect nothing is clear about this awful episode.
LimeyGeek on June 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM
That must be a terrible feeling, having to field blame after having attempted to save someone’s life. You are a good man upinak.
Zetterson on June 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM
That’s a bit unfair, methinks. If I were on-scene, I would be in shock and thinking about the victim, not the perps. An off-duty cop might have the instinct to get the plates, but it’s too much to expect of a regular-ol’ bystander.
Of course, most of the bystanders were not in shock, and terms like ‘dolt’ (and many stronger terms I could mention) are still applicable, but, in my opinion, not for the reason you mention.
Splashman on June 5, 2008 at 1:22 PM
We need more like you. It’s unfortunate that you’ve been assaulted for your trouble, but fortunate for the rest of us that it hasn’t stopped you.
I’m so sorry, but at least you can look back on that day with the pride that you did something.
Maybe, but the one guy with the camera phone had clearly gotten of the shock.
Which is why you shouldn’t try to move someone in that situation. That doesn’t mean that someone couldn’t have gone over to talk to him and maybe hold his hand while waiting for help.
Esthier on June 5, 2008 at 1:23 PM
TY. I was very bothered and still to this day I think about that man. I know he was alive when the police showed and they took over. I shocked me when I found out he had passed on the way to the hospital, even though the nurses said i was keeping him alive at the gas station.
I am female btw, not that is matters in the cyber world.
upinak on June 5, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Exactly! I don’t have EMT training, but, I’ve taken part in various disaster preparedness and first aid courses and one of the first things they teach you is that you don’t say, “Someone call 911″ you have to look someone in the eyes and say, “You call 911″ because most bystanders will be in shock and aren’t going to be focusing that well.
JadeNYU on June 5, 2008 at 1:25 PM
I don’t understand this question. I’ve never heard anyone suggest that cyclists deserve to get hit by cars or that their injuries are somehow acceptable.
Obviously the man shouldn’t have been jaywalking, and cyclists should be careful as well. That doesn’t mean sympathy is only reserved for those who follow every law.
Esthier on June 5, 2008 at 1:25 PM
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