Obama pivots on Iran?
posted at 9:07 am on June 4, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Barack Obama will make an appearance today at the AIPAC conference, attempting to convince the pro-Israeli lobby that he fully supports Israel and stands against her enemies. That will take a nifty bit of pivoting, as Danielle Pletka notes in today’s Weekly Standard. On Iran, he has managed to get to Dick Durbin’s left in opposing an amendment that urged the State Department to name Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization, which passed despite Obama’s objections:
The story begins nine months ago, when the Senate took up debate on the so-called Kyl-Lieberman amendment–a bipartisan measure that urged the U.S. government to designate Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as a Foreign Terrorist Organization and a Specially Designated Global Terrorist.
These designations are more than just rhetorical; labeling the IRGC as a terrorist organization brings to bear a range of powerful sanctions that crack down on its ability to work in the global financial system.
The proximate cause of the Kyl-Lieberman amendment was a growing dossier of evidence from General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, documenting the IRGC’s role in financing, training, arming, and directing extremists in Iraq responsible for the murder of hundreds of American and Iraqi soldiers and civilians.
Of course, that’s not the full extent of the IRGC’s malign influence. The group is an acknowledged supporter of terror (a fact even Senator Obama concedes), training, financing and arming Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and most recently, the Taliban. At home in Iran, the IRGC now dominates the regime, with 9 out of 21 seats in the Ahmadinejad cabinet held by former IRGC and IRGC-affiliated officials. The IRGC is also a vital player in Iran’s licit and illicit economies, and dominates important sectors like construction.
Needless to say, the Kyl-Lieberman amendment won broad support in the Senate, passing 76-22. Senator Hillary Clinton voted for it, as did Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senator Chuck Schumer, and Senator Dick Durbin.
Senator Obama, however, was one of a handful of senators who opposed the amendment–which had aroused the ire of the left-wing blogosphere. In the frenzied minds of DailyKos and Moveon.org, Kyl-Lieberman–or “Lieberman-Kyl,” as they preferred to call it–was nothing less than a stealth declaration of war on Iran.
The offending clause (a non-binding Sense of the Senate) suggests that the U.S. military presence in Iraq “will have critical long-term consequences for the future of the Persian Gulf.” It emphatically does not suggest either that we “use our military presence in Iraq to counter the threat from Iran,” as Senator Obama’s website falsely claims, or that “we should maintain our forces in Iraq with an eye toward blunting Iranian influence,” as Senator Obama frets.
That reading of the amendment is incomprehensible to most, including Durbin, the senior senator from Illinois and one of Obama’s chief supporters. “It’s rare that Barack and I disagree on an issue of this magnitude,” Durbin told Bloomberg Television at the time. “I have the same concerns that Barack Obama does about this administration and what they might do with the power that they have. But I don’t think this resolution gives them a green light to do anything.”
This misreading of the amendment speaks to a larger, deliberate obtuseness on Obama’s part. The Iranians are the largest sponsor of international terrorism in the world, and the evidence of this is both public and large. In order to fight terrorism, we need to at least honestly acknowledge Iran’s role in it and take steps to limit it. Kyl-Lieberman attempted to do just that in a non-violent manner, working through other options intended to limit their ability to fund terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.
There are only two reasons to oppose the application of sanctions on Iran. Either one wants to go to war and skip all of the other options, or doesn’t believe Iran to be a threat and a sponsor of terror. Into which group should we put Barack Obama?
I think we can safely say that he belongs in the latter group. During the campaign, Obama attacked Hillary repeatedly for her vote on Kyl-Lieberman, and he undoubtedly will do the same with McCain. He famously intoned that Iran wasn’t a threat in Oregon, a position he abandoned 24 hours later when this YouTube hit the blogosphere:
The people at AIPAC suffer no such delusions. Iran uses its proxies to fight a continuous war against Israel and Western interests in the region. Asymmetrical threats don’t rely on size or even a lot of cash, but on infiltration and terrorism. Obama’s refusal to hold Iran accountable even in a non-violent manner doesn’t bode well for his stewardship of foreign policy in an age of terrorism, and AIPAC knows that.Watch Obama attempt to pivot today in his speech. Suddenly he will talk about the “grave threat” emanating from Tehran and attempt to convince his audience that he is tough enough to face down the mullahs. Obama couldn’t even face down MoveOn when it came time to apply tough sanctions against the terrorist-management structure in Iran.
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Once again making implications based on your feelings of “persecution”
Nope, quite conservative, annoyingly so sometimes, but my friends nonetheless.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Tantor on June 4, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Where’s your proof that the device was made in Iran?
Here is proof to the contrary.
“Not once did Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner point the finger at Iran for any of these weapons and munitions, which is a striking change from just a couple of weeks ago when U.S. military officials here and at the Pentagon were saying that caches found in Basra in particular had revealed Iranian-made arms manufactured as recently as this year…… When U.S. explosives experts went to investigate, they discovered they were not Iranian after all”
Link
And this about an EFP factory in Iraq.
“DIWANIYA, Iraq, April 6 2007(Reuters) – Iraqi and U.S. forces clashed with Shi’ite militia loyal to the radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr on Friday in a dawn operation aimed at returning the volatile city of Diwaniya to government control………….A U.S. military spokesman, Lieutenant-Colonel Scott Bleichwehl said troops, facing scattered resistance, discovered a factory that produced “explosively formed penetrators” (EFPs), a particularly deadly type of explosive that can destroy a main battle tank and several weapons caches.”
Link
Chimpy on June 4, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Not President Bush…I believe it was Condi who insisted on free and fair elections?
J_Gocht on June 4, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Dear Ed,
Obama did pivot on Iran, if I’m not mistaken he stated clearly that the IRGC is rightfully labeled a terrorist organization, contrary to his vote on the legislation?
saus on June 4, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Barak’s Ruby Slippers are the ‘67 borders, the solution to all the MEs problems. Three clicks of those heels and the PALS will be handing out S’mores across the border to their Jewish friends.
Limerick on June 4, 2008 at 11:00 AM
OK, here’s a funny true story to lighten you guys up a bit.
My son had some Jewish friends in his Montessori preschool. One day in the car he asked what Jewish people do in church LOL. I explained to him that Jewish people believe in God and the whole First Testament, but the don’t believe in Jesus the way we do. My husband (raised devout and somewhat antisemitic Catholic) said something negative, to which I answered that Jesus was a Jew…and hit him with the evil eye.
My son pipes up from the back seat “Jesus didn’t believe in himself? Was he stupid?”
LOL
funky chicken on June 4, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Yeah. As in “we want s’more of this and s’more of that.”
Connie on June 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Hey SquidShark, need a new barber shop? We know a guy who owns one in Jacksonville.
funky chicken on June 4, 2008 at 11:03 AM
That speech is not so much a pivot, as it is a violent lurch to the right. Wonder what his far left supporters are thinking?
AntonDomi on June 4, 2008 at 11:05 AM
and again, what are christians supposed to do about it?
*we* don’t force israel to sign the treaty
*we* don’t force iran/russia to invade israel
you attribute all this power to christians, when it doesn’t exist. unless you think there is some ‘neocon’ conspiracy…
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM
They’ll see it as taquiya.
Limerick on June 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Nahhh, I get the military discount haircut (my wife with some clippers).
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:08 AM
no just wondering if you have told your christian ‘friends’ how you really feel about them.
as far as christian persecution, its very real, and to deny it is to deny reality. its happening in europe, canada, and here…apparently most people would prefer if we were silenced…
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Oh, for heaven’s sake! You’re claiming there is no proof that Iran is providing ordnance to terrorists in Iraq? Just say it flat out. I’m hoping I misunderstood you.
a capella on June 4, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Clearly misreading me…
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:09 AM
lets clarify, I understand your antipathy and hatred all too well, just not your ‘logic’
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:09 AM
afraid I understand you all too well…
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:10 AM
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) June 3, 2008 — Iraq’s prime minister plans to visit Iran next week to discuss security and other issues with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a government official said Tuesday.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 11:10 AM
How is it happening right here in the UNITED STATES….
My friends know my views, since their skin is a little thicker than Kleenex, they are not offended when people have different views.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM
oh yes, of course you do. I’m sure you ‘care’ about both groups too!!
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Get used to it Chimpy. As you are so well aware there are a group of historical eunuchs that post here regularly, emulating their leader at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. :)
J_Gocht on June 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM
He doesn’t need to court the lefties now. They’ve got noplace to go. He’s courting those who still have a choice in the general and banking on voter ignorance of his past.
a capella on June 4, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Yes I hate you and all your kind, you have such a rough life here in the united states where you outnumber all other religous groups 4 to one.
Wow I feel much better
:sarc:
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Christians have been arrested recently at “gay” festivals for nothing more than having a protest sign that is “wider than their torso,” but now police have gone even further, targeting Bible-carrying ministers for praying on public property and for standing on a public sidewalk near a “gay” festival.
One of the new cases comes from Elmira, N.Y., where police arrested seven Christians who went into a public park where a “gay” fest was beginning and started to pray, faces down, while holding their Bibles.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=42442
holding christian views is a ‘hate crime’ haven’t you heard??
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Iran is not a threat in Oregon. Now the governor and the legislature and the state supreme court, well, that’s another mater.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 11:13 AM
then how do you explain the last post?
and how do you explain the CA gay ‘marriage’ court ruling, since us christians are all-powerful in the US??
get a clue.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:14 AM
so you don’t want to help christians, but you want us to rise to the defense of Israel!
right.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM
The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. It groups 57 Islamic member states, from the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, Caucasus, Balkan, Southeast Asia, South Asia and South America. The official languages of the organization are Arabic, English and French.
The flag of the OIC has an overall green background (symbolic of Islam). In the center, there is an upward-facing red crescent enveloped in a white disc. On the disc the words “Allahu Akbar” are written in modern Arabic calligraphy.
Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 11:16 AM
This is your idea of persecution???????? *falls out of chair laughing*
Christians are not all powerful in the US, there is a difference between being all powerful and persecuted. I didnt think I would have to spell that out to anyone today, wow.
get a dictionary, clearly you have a problem with definitions.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:16 AM
reading is fundamental. I didn’t say this was an example of persecution. but it wil lead to persecution of christians, no doubt about it.
christians are being persecuted, as I have proven. you seem unable to recognize facts.
guess you’re blinded by all that hate
laughable!
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Wow what an inexplicable twisting of my words.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:18 AM
I can’t match a master twister like you.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Thacker. I was telling you what I hear from family and friends in the liberal jewish community, not what I believe myself. I thought I was making that clear.
JiangxiDad on June 4, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Proven how?
Because CA courts ruled for gay marriage?
Because the 10 commandments cant be in a courthouse?
Tell the Christians in Sudan how persecuted you are here in the US.
See if they cry you a river.
You bandy about the word “hate” alot you should really think through what hate really means. I dont accuse you of hating Jews, do I?
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Funny…
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:23 AM
do you even read the posts, or do you just ignore what you can’t handle?
here it is again:
like you care about them. persecution always starts slowly and builds, unless the atheists or muslims take over.
obviously you do.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Fair enough, perhaps you should clarify that since persecution was the discussion you were having.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:25 AM
What were they charged with, disturbing the peace?
I owuld likely make that assesment if they were violating an ordinance or disturbing the progress of an approved march.
despicable, I was an advocate for action in the Sudan before most in the U.S. even knew where it was. I was part of Sen Brownback’s campaign for action.
Your hatred for me is obvious….See I can do it too.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Hillary is speaking at AIPAC now.
Limerick on June 4, 2008 at 11:30 AM
It just ended….damn, I only caught the last three-four mins.
Limerick on June 4, 2008 at 11:32 AM
I dont know what is in your mind. I know that there is a good chance that if you do indeed hate Jews you would hide it behind the hate-the-sin-not-the-sinner mantra. But, no, I dont think you hate Jews any more than I hate Christians.
Take from that what you will.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:32 AM
She backed up Obama pretty well, but had some digs about meeting with Hamas.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:33 AM
yes its in the next paragraph:
They were cited for “disturbing the peace,” and Assistant Police Chief Mike Robertson told WND that the seven are accused of a “combination” of allegations under that statute, which includes the “intent” to cause a public inconvenience, any “disturbance” of a meeting of persons, obstructing vehicular or pedestrian traffic, or taking part in “any act that serves no legitimate purpose.”
yeah christianty does disturb the ‘peace’ of the gays….and it will soon be a ‘hate crime’ to mention anything that disturbs the ‘peace’ of any gay person…
but what really have you done? you expect the christians to rise to Israel’s defense, with weapons I assume, so why don’t you for christians?
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Any words like ‘You can trust Barry’ ?
Limerick on June 4, 2008 at 11:34 AM
unless I totally misunderstand you, you attack christians for just wanting to use jews as some sort of ’sacrifice’ to usher in Jesus’ return.
its sounds like a typical left-wing smear that we want to kill 2/3 of the jews, just to fulfill our plan to bring about the apocalypse.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:36 AM
I do oppose hate crimes legislation, but I do not think for a minute that it is intentional persecution legislations against Christians, I am sure you do though.
Given money and advocated heavily with my elected representatives. Since I am alreayd in the military, I can only hope we would send military aid.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:36 AM
a capella
Granted, but there were enough “neocon” catch phrases and key words in there to make Markos feel a little bit like he has been Rick-Rolled.
AntonDomi on June 4, 2008 at 11:37 AM
unless I totally misunderstand you, you attack christians for just wanting to use jews as some sort of ’sacrifice’ to usher in Jesus’ return.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:38 AM
its rather obvious. and it is being used for that purpose in canada and europe. and our libs always follow their libs.
thats good, and I appreciate it. we do the same for Israel, and I really don’t understand what you would want christians to do for Israel in the face of the beast, the anti-christ.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM
and what would a ‘pure’ motive be? and how are christians motives ‘impure’??
I’ve proven that we are. to deny it is to deny reality.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:40 AM
I was more trying to defer the rapture assertions and ask what you would do for Israel.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Repeatedly stating something that is not true does not make it true.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Ive mentioned my questions about some E.C.’s motives.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM
I’ve posted proof of what I am saying. you can close your eyes and ignore it all you want, doesn’t matter.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:44 AM
Lunch time, Ill be back.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:44 AM
I am sorry if I think that some preachers getting arrested for disturbing the peace is not tantamount to persecution. I would think many would agree.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:45 AM
we’ve already done what you have done for the Sudan, what else do you want?
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:45 AM
MLK disturbed the peace too….
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM
no doubt the gays, and atheists would!! and anyone else who wants to silence christians, one way or the other.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM
You can’t trust Barry, I’m afraid, sir, because he’s not himself you see.
Sigy on June 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM
but some pigs ‘peace’ is more equal than others…
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM
And he got arrested, alot.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:48 AM
uh yeah because we’re christians our motives are impure.
do you think the muslims’s motives are pure? just curious…
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:48 AM
yeah he was PERSECUTED quite a bit…
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 11:49 AM
And this Jew too.
You break the law, you get arrested…
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Never said that, but keep on spinning.
Some, the ones who live in this society and ascribe to western values.
The ones who want the destruction of Israel, no.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:51 AM
All history is perception. If you think these guys are MLK incarnate, go crazy, I dont share that view.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM
a capella on June 4, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Is it that hard to comprehend the facts, backed up with links? You need to detox from that “Koolaid” addiction you acquired. This might help.>>
Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon’s Hidden Hand
Chimpy on June 4, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I’m not sure what you guys are arguing about, Evangelical Christians are big friends of Israel, very popular here, they are our buddies.
Only people that have problems with Evangelicals are the same people in the USA that have problems, vastly Liberals – Liberal Christians, Liberal Jews, whatever these are secular people who have a beef with religion in general, any religion especially Christianity & Judaism. These are the same people who have a problem with Judaism IN Israel, we call them a radical minority..
JiangxiDad’s comment seems normal, Liberal Jews who normally would vote democrat are considering McCain because of Obama, but might not vote his way if Evangelical issues or candidates dominate his ticket, what does that have to do with Jews themselves!? That has to do with Liberals in general, it’s not because they are Jews that they oppose an evagelical element, it is becuase they are Liberals!
saus on June 4, 2008 at 11:58 AM
J_Gocht on June 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Facts? FACTS? We don’t need no stinking Facts!! ;-)
Chimpy on June 4, 2008 at 12:00 PM
yeah its ‘against the law’ to upset gays with christian ‘hate speech’
just curious how you felt about laws for jews to wear yellow stars of david…
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 12:03 PM
oh of couse not!! he was a black christian…and they are white christians…
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 12:04 PM
hate to tell you, but their motives are pure…whether you agree with them or not.
its not like they can be bought off or anything.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 12:05 PM
apparently, though its hard to pin him down, he thinks christians are just using jews to usher in the end times. kind of like the left which accuses christians of wanting to kill 2/3 of the jews so Jesus can return.
yeah and he calls himself ‘conservative’, but I doubt that.
very true.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Excellent, I knew the Holocaust allusion was coming from you.
They were not arrested for “upsetting the gays” they were arrested for viotating city code.
I have seen tons of gay rallies with preachers presching unmollested.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Not even close to what I say. Bearing false witness? Indeed.
Or not. How convenient you found someone to parrot you.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 12:44 PM
WOW! Implying I am racist now? Classy…
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 12:46 PM
sounds like you are the one bearing false witness…so tell me why you hate christians for supporting israel?
lets be detailed, instead of skipping over the question.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 12:47 PM
laughable. and what if the ‘city code’ says jews should wear yellow crosses of david, to signify their jewishness??
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 12:48 PM
implying that you’re what you are…a good liberal, where some christians are more equal than others…
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Since I dont hate Christians for supporting Isreal, there is no valid question to “skip”
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Not a liberal and that is not what you implied. All Christians are and should be equal before the law, however if they violate the secular laws, they must pay the price, as Jesus told them to.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 12:56 PM
you’re jewish, and don’t know how to spell Israel??
uh yeah whatever
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM
While you’re having the typical Christian eschatalogical battle over Israel, remember that the HAMAS Charter features the hadith which is so popular with those involved in “anti-Islamic activities” – the ones about killing all the Jews behind the talking rocks and trees.
So Islamic end-times theology involves genocide of the Jews according to the popular interpretation.
Christians don’t have anything remotely as threatening to Jews.
It’s all confusing to me, so I have no dog, sorry God in this fight.
Beagle on June 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM
That would be an unjust law, unconstitutional. If they lay down in the middle of a previously approved and certified rally and start making a racket, they are infringing on others rights to peacably assemble.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM
yeah just like in the days of Rome…but they were just violating the laws…they weren’t persecuted….
right.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Seems I heard a bandito say something similar to that in a movie once? A bit later he unceremoniously lost a portion of his gray matter.
Never mind the facts… :)
J_Gocht on June 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM
but its OK to arrest christians for ‘disturbing the peace’ of gays?
uh yeah some pigs are more equal than others…
so we have to have ‘approval’ to have a rally? and we have to have ‘approval’ to have a peaceful protest? and who decides who is ‘infringing’???
some pigs are more equal than others…
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 12:59 PM
yeah and (some) of the jews hate us, and the libs accuse us of wanting genocide for the jews…
but they would never dare to accuse the muslims….
and we all know why…
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Your such a great “friend” of the Jews and you dont know that the Jews wore stars not crosses:
Its a typo, grow up.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 1:03 PM
its a typo, grow up.
at least I know how to spell Israel, and I have the guts to answer simple questions.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Its OK to fine to arrest anyone for disturbing the peacefull assembly of citizens.
OK Mr Orwell, what would you do if a bunch of gays invaded one of your open-air Easter services and started to make out to protest your position on homosexuality.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Ask a valid question and you shall recieve…
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 1:11 PM
of course, especially those pesky christians!! and of course, its OK to have the gays decide when they are ‘disturbed’…but christians can NEVER decide those questions….
uh they do, and nothing happens to them, they’re not arrested. wouldn’t surprise me if the police escort them in, in places like san francisco.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Ive got plenty to say to the Muslims, but that is not what we are discussing is it.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 1:12 PM
valid, oh one you’ll respond to…
first, how do you know that? and even if its true, why is that patronizing?
this shows pure hate. again, how do you know that christians really hate israel, which is what you imply? you also imply that we are using jews to usher in the end times, just as the liberal wackos do.
right4life on June 4, 2008 at 1:15 PM
I chose that example because I have seen it happen in both Norfolk and in my hometown in SW Florida.
But keep imagining that you would just let it go. Someone would call the cops and have them escorted out.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B06EED61031F931A15750C0A96F958260
http://www.soulforce.org/article/379
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 1:16 PM
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