McCain on Juan Hernandez: I’ll be happy to look into it
posted at 2:47 pm on June 4, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Yeah, funny thing: He was actually confronted once before about Juan Hernandez, at a campaign stop in Florida, and promised to look into the good doctor’s musings about illegal immigration then, too. “I have no idea but I will check in to the information you’ve given me,” he told the questioner, after giving him a paint-by-numbers Hagee-ish defense about how the people associated with the campaign support McCain’s ideas and not vice versa. Sounds like he either hasn’t gotten around to checking yet or that promise was just another statement on immigration during the primaries that we weren’t really supposed to take seriously, because here’s what he told Matt Lewis today:
MATT LEWIS: Can I ask you about Juan Hernandez, not so much about Townhall where I write, but a lot of conservative bloggers have a lot to say about him… You never know what is accurate, but from what I read he has some very controversial things to say…about Mexico first, about essentially having a completely open border….Are we getting misinformation? or What is the disconnect there? Why are you taking advice from someone if he has made these outlandish comments?
SEN. McCAIN: First of all, I take advice from many many people. I don’t always agree with that advice. I’m not sure that if he has a view, that he and I are in disagreement about..which I’m sure he does… I know very few people in this country, or in this world, that I agree with everything on… There’s a difference between disagreement, if we have disagreement, and things that American’s just find not acceptable…..
MATT LEWIS: …Couldn’t you make that argument for Rev. Wright or….?
SEN. McCAIN: I would be glad to examine any statement from any supporter of mine…I don’t even know if he is quote or what he has specifically…I’ll be glad to look at it… I’ll be glad to look at anything anybody has said that may be offensive or wrong. But I may have disagreements with an issue with lots of people…and if we have strong enough disagreements, I will ask them to withdraw their support. And that is what has guided me….and that is all I have to say about it.
Good enough. You can revisit some of Hernandez’s greatest hits here; my personal favorite is his fond hope that even seventh-generation descendants of illegals in America will think “Mexico first.” Are we to understand from the boldface part that if McCain’s made aware of stuff like this and still refuses to dump Hernandez that he simply doesn’t disagree all that strongly with the sentiment?
Follow the link to Lewis and see how Maverick fielded a question from Quin Hillyer about some of the more repulsive rhetoric he’s used over the years to demonize his opponents on immigration. Yes, it’s true, there’s no record of him ever using the actual words “Jim Crow”; watch this clip and see if you think it matters. May 25, 2006:
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Nope not a Bot. not like the Huck-a-mucks or the Paulians. Just tired of the SSDD senerios with people such as yoursel, who seem like you WANT Obama there.
upinak on June 4, 2008 at 4:05 PM
LOL True, ever so true!
upinak on June 4, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Terrye, I don’t know where you live or what your income level is but trust me when I tell you that if you live in an area that has a high level of illegals and you aren’t fortunate enough to have a high enough income to insulate yourself from them then you are pissed off and hysterical every day because your quality of life SUCKS!
mrsmwp on June 4, 2008 at 4:07 PM
So then if McCain loses it’s not his fault, he’s a victim?
Doesn’t it make sense that if McCain loses the general that those most at fault will be McCain and the people who nominated a loser?
FloatingRock on June 4, 2008 at 4:07 PM
MCCAIN ‘08: IF HE LOSES, IT’LL BE YOUR FAULT!
MCCAIN ‘08: LIKE YOU HAVE A CHOICE, SUCKER!
misterpeasea on June 4, 2008 at 4:09 PM
I’m sorry, did I say anything about not liking living here? Good friends, family, am able to stay active doing the things I like to do. All of my major needs are met.
There are core life needs a person must meet in order to be happy. Just as there are core political needs a candidate must meet in order to get my vote. McCains stance on immigration would be the life-need equivalent of taking away my family. That just isn’t going to happen just as my vote will not go to McCain.
True, perfection will never be met. But adaquacy can be. Anything short of that then its time to move. I’m doing the political equivalent of that. Get it?
Zetterson on June 4, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Ironically, I have a Pyhrric advantage in this election.
You see, I live in NY State. A state which, no matter what, will go to the Democrat. I don’t care if SATAN was on the Dem ticket, The majority of voters in NY state would still vote for him. NY is OWNED by Unions and Leftists.
Yes, there are a few Republicans here, and there are plenty of Conservatives in the Western areas of NY. The “Elephant” in the room (or maybe it’s just a big Donkey) though, is NYC. The MASS of people in that tiny area wield an INSANELY DISPROPORTIONATE amount of Political clout. The NYC Unions and Liberal Voters mean that NY State is a Blue State. Period.
So basically, as a Republican and a Conservative, my vote on the national stage is worthless. I am entirely disenfranchised by the giant liberal bugaboo sitting on Long Island and the greater NY Metro area. While I, Waaaaaaay over here in Western New York, don’t even get noticed.
Now, that may sound bitter, but in an election year like this one, for a principled voter it’s actually an ADVANTAGE.
You see, because my vote is irrelevant, I can IGNORE the “Vote for McCain to keep Obama out” rhetoric. NY’s Electoral votes are going to Obama and there is nothing I can do to stop it. So I am free to vote my conscience.
This election season I will be writing in Ronald Reagan for POTUS. Better a dead man than McCain.
wearyman on June 4, 2008 at 4:12 PM
I do not want Obama, but he really is the lesser of two evils in terms of the future of conservatism.
If McCain wins, the only opposition to his liberal policies will come from the left because they are not liberal enough. The right will be forced to go along with him after he reaches across the aisle. There will be no hope for the conservative agenda. If Obama wins, there will be united opposition from the right and clear conservative alternatives.
Valiant on June 4, 2008 at 4:12 PM
So you will continue to vote for crappy candidates, who will mess up the country, and not even try to change it?
I have no idea who I will vote for in this election, except that it WON’T be McCain, and it WON’T be Obama.
If you consider that throwing away my vote, will that your opinion, BUT ITS MY RIGHT.
You are essentialy trying to disabuse me of my right to vote, by giving me a false two option election. Its like saying you have freedom of speech, but you can only say one of two things on this subject.
Its like the stinkin abortion debate… the two extremes try to create a false choice, all or nothing. When if you bother to talk to most people, they are somewhere in the middle… ie… like myself, I want to limit abortions as much as possible, and place restrictions on underage abortions (parental consent if possible, notification at the least)… I want to teach BIRTH CONTROL not just ABSTINANCE (which is against the drives of human nature).
But the two extremes drive the agenda until they convince us we must take one of the two extremist views…
Trying to convince people they have no choice, is the same as trying to take away choice.
Romeo13 on June 4, 2008 at 4:13 PM
You stupid MDS sufferers drop all of your quibbling and get behind the only man that can save us from the Obama.
McCain is the only man that can save America from itself.
Are Terrye and JetBoy the only ones among you that see the perfection of McCain? He was tortured nearly unto death for you by the North Viet Cong, and yet you reject him over some insignificant little details of which you are simply too mentally weak to understand their brilliance.
You must immediately promise to send all of your money to McCain’s campaign and promise to vote for him, or you are a lefty liberal Obama worshiping Democrat Communist; a HotAir troll DNC operative, and a blight upon humanity.
OBEY
CONFORM
John McCain, Terrye and Jetboy know what is best for you. Quit thinking YOU are competent to control your own lives and select your own leaders.
PS: where is the Chosen One? Another of the few people around here who was capable of understanding the big picture of why McCain is the only hope for America. Banned, no doubt by a McCain-hating, right-wing, fascist Allahpundit for daring to speak truth to power.
LegendHasIt on June 4, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Ha! Wearyman. You and I are cut from the same cloth. Go back and read what I’ve been writing on this thread. You’ll see.
Zetterson on June 4, 2008 at 4:14 PM
I really didn’t need to put a sarcasm tag on that did I?
It was pretty obvious to anyone that is a regular here, right???
LegendHasIt on June 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM
The ball is rolling. You must keep his feet to the fire.
tomk59 on June 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Might I suggest:
Zombie Reagan 08!
Romeo13 on June 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM
I am beginning to have a deeper understanding now.
Valiant on June 4, 2008 at 4:17 PM
If you give your dog a pat on the head and a treat every time he soils your carpet your carpet is going to be a mess. It’s natural law.
FloatingRock on June 4, 2008 at 4:17 PM
It took me a few sentences but I got it. The sarcasm becomes more and more clear the further you read. Well done.
Zetterson on June 4, 2008 at 4:18 PM
So I thought. Many fellow Hotair commenters are a little slow to catch on to this natural law thing though.
Zetterson on June 4, 2008 at 4:19 PM
I really don’t think it will happen. Not that I can’t say i won’t be wrong, but I just don’t see it. Reason being is that the majority of the people who are voting are not in their 30’s and under.. it is people in their 40’s and up. They don’t want “change” as much as they want help to take care of themselves.
I know that sounds odd… but let me explain. Those who lost everything, such as their inheritance, 401K’s due to something happening at work or via scam or closure of a busniess, or something unforseen… do not want to be left with nothing. They think and see that if they vote for this change (whom ever it is Hillary or Obama) that they will get that supposed “Free” health care and that our Troops will come home. Which we know isn’t true and Clinton and Obama will hurt our military in more ways then one.
But you and I see it a different way.
As much as I can’t stand the Boarder issue… I do like McCain on other things. As I liked Hunter on many items and Thompson on other items. But we can’t merge them together and make the “Perfect” conservative. It isn’t going to happen.
So my stand is McCain, yeah he has something up with the border, but he isn’t nearly as bad as either Clinton or Obama in other aspects.
As well as people are getting tired of their Senators and Congressmen. We all know that one… and I see quite a few getting out of there very soon on both sides of the ticket. But who knows what is going to happen when it all comes down to standing in that little area casting your conscience or need.
upinak on June 4, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Your observation makes sense. The possibility of an Obama presidency would make all of this debate the least of our problems.
That said, I have found McCain’s response to questions about energy, climate change, and illegals quite incoherent. The exchange with Lewis cited above is just one example.
Part of the problem is that McCain seems to think in false choices. When citizens want to have their borders secured (after all, this is a national security issue) and to have immigration laws enforced, McCain leaps to the opposite extreme, thinking that citizens want massive roundups and deportations.
He ignores these issues: If illegals are paying Social Security taxes or any payroll taxes with false/forged credentials, then they have broken our laws in several ways. If they have committed felonies while in our country illegally, these aliens should be deported. If illegal aliens are draining community resources and creating a tax burden in providing adequate schools whose budgets are not strained with English-as-second-language provisions, police protection, housing that does not compromise public health and safety, then federal agencies should be assisting not hindering local governments.
McCain has the same either-or postions about energy. He wants to demonize our energy producers by embracing economically destructive cap and trade policies and nonsensical global climate change rhetoric. Somehow, when he is questioned about climate change, he confuses the issue with one about pollution. Our stewardship of our natural resources far exceeds that of other industrial economies. We certainly can and should explore and exploit our resources, for we have proven to do so wisely and well.
onlineanalyst on June 4, 2008 at 4:24 PM
What’s your guess about why he’s incoherent? Mine is a lack of intelligence leading to a lack of a unified political philosophy, combined with a desire for flattery.
JiangxiDad on June 4, 2008 at 4:34 PM
John McCain is determined to punish the Republican Party for all the mean things they did to him in 2000.
His constant praise of Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama, while attacking President Bush, is not just a play for liberal and independent votes, but a determined attempt to “stick it’ to Republicans and conservatives whenever he gets the chance. He despise Conservtives!
As George Will said on Sean Hannity’s radio show yesterday: John McCain doesn’t just hold grudes, he nutures them.
RMR on June 4, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Dear Genius,
Juan Hernandez is a problem for McCain because he is despised by those of us who would enjoy some border security. We could give a two-tenths of a f*** about what the left thinks about Juan Hernandez.
This is not a parallel issue to Wright or Ayers. Maybe you mean parallax.
Anyway. When you drink the Kool-Aid, try not to spill. OK Snappy? I know you sycophants in the party are important because of your vote, but perhaps you can wear a bell or a sign around your neck. I like to give you clunkers a wide berth.
The Race Card on June 4, 2008 at 4:40 PM
If McCain is butt-thumbing us this early, what’s it going t be like after a year in office?
The Race Card on June 4, 2008 at 4:41 PM
ONE WORD: BOHICA!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 4, 2008 at 4:49 PM
Dang. Who pee’d in your coffee?
Kood-aid? Sycophant? I can’t even begin to imagine why you would attribute this words to me. Weird.
And if your “we” was mean to include me, sure, I don’t care what the left thinks of JH. It’s irrelevant really.
Spirit of 1776 on June 4, 2008 at 4:53 PM
McCain
The Race Card on June 4, 2008 at 5:03 PM
John and Juan in 08!
The Race Card on June 4, 2008 at 5:04 PM
So why are you mad at me again?
Spirit of 1776 on June 4, 2008 at 5:04 PM
vomit
The Race Card on June 4, 2008 at 5:04 PM
I don’t know what all the fuss is about. Judging by his speech last night, McCain is running against Bush, isn’t he?
Oh, wait, he’s the Republican nominee…
Nichevo on June 4, 2008 at 5:05 PM
No hablo ingles.
The Race Card on June 4, 2008 at 5:05 PM
I’m not a McCain apologist by any stretch. So if you are upset at McCain, not clear why you are troubling to try to ridicule me.
Spirit of 1776 on June 4, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Truce guys.
Apparently, one took something the other said, kind of out of context, and then insulted the other, when both are really pretty much in agreement on the basic premise, but too irritated with each other to notice.
Done the same myself all too often.
LegendHasIt on June 4, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Whew, I am glad I was doing something else when this thread got going….
right4life took all my desire to fight the stupid right out of me.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Yup.
McCain, if allowed to be President, would sign an equivalent to the McCain-Kennedy Amnesty bill. So would Obama. So would Clinton. That’s why even a McCain “victory” would be a defeat. That’s why none of those three can be our next President.
Granting amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens is part of the strategy of the Communist Party, USA.
Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 5:23 PM
That’s a medical fact.
freevillage on June 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM
I’m not irritated, it just came out of the blue, so I’m confused. I don’t think I’ve had a bad word to say about TLC, and I’m confused as to why he has one about me - especially if he (or she) is angry at McCain. So I’m not irritated, just trying to figure it out.
Spirit of 1776 on June 4, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Well, don’t let us distract you from anything important.
Us stupid people aint’t going to get no smarter, no matter how how hard you try.
;-)
LegendHasIt on June 4, 2008 at 5:32 PM
We can always beat you back into “stupid” if you like. But I am making a pie right now… so it will have to be fragmented.
upinak on June 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM
Not you Legend, your my fav TC, you know that :)
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Upinak, Im on your side brother, calm down.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 5:37 PM
I would like to know Red Pills policy plan on how to deal with illegals.
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Red Pill’s policy plan is whatever Huck is selling that day. (kidding, but only slightly)
Spirit of 1776 on June 4, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Ed asks the question:
That would be my understanding. But regardless, McCain is a hot-headed idiot, and that’s his strong suit.
If McCain loses, and he probably will, it will be because he is not a conservative, he is weak candidate and actually makes Dole and Jerry Ford look good.
No, I’d rather be waterboarded than vote Amnesty Juan McCain.
Zorro on June 4, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Huck had an immigration plan? perhaps pray them away…
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Why did you leave out the word illegal?
Why is that? Oh I know.
And talk about getting freaking hysterical.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 6:06 PM
You sound a lot like Al Gore with his apocalyptic global warming.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 6:10 PM
You’re silly. Everyone knows it doesn’t work if you leave it in. Jeesh.
JiangxiDad on June 4, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Can I ask why endorse someone … who isn’t there?
Are you just a little wrapped up?
upinak on June 4, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Sista oh dear one! Gotta have the appropriate package to be a bro!
upinak on June 4, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
- Matthew
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Soooo sorry. :)
Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 6:20 PM
We know who he is and what he carries. That’s not the problem. The problem is how to manage him– if he’s manageable. He’s really in quite an enviable position if he wins with the “coalition” he’s trying to put together.
Imagine more or less doing whatever you want and beholden to no party and not so concerned about running twice. Wow. Talk about powerful.
JiangxiDad on June 4, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Zetterson, you say you live in MA. Just how bad was Mitt as a governor? Was he as “liberal” as some have said that he is/was? I know he has flipped-flopped on the abortion issue, but that was in the right direction and he should be given credit for that, not lambasted.
I, like you live in a blue state, MN, and I will not vote for COB (Cranky Old Bastard). I’m planning on writing in Mitt and voting for Norm Coleman to defeat Al Franken. That, in itself, is a joke. Al Franken running for senator.
cjs1943 on June 4, 2008 at 6:29 PM
The shamnesty future is pretty clear under an el Presidente Juan. No crystal ball necessary.
Do you have ACS (Abused Conservative Syndrome) ?
You sound even more hysterical than Al Gore with his Apocalyptic Global Warming.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 6:29 PM
LOL.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 6:31 PM
I want to see YOUR crystal ball there MB4.
Jesus, you are the complete definition of a defeatist. And when are you ever going to say what rank and unit you were in while in Nam? Or is that “confidential” since you never have said it.
upinak on June 4, 2008 at 6:33 PM
OBEY
CONFORM
haha…the “PS” made me laugh. I forgot about Chosen One.
But as for the “Obey and conform” part, and about voting for McCain because “he knows what’s best” for us…it’s getting a bit old of a response. No one…OK, I…would never say nor infer that everyone “get in line” and just vote McCain. The main sticking point with me is this “amnesty” thing being blown WAY out of proportion. Because THAT seems to be the number one argument some conservatives around here have against McCain.
And it’s true…not voting for McCain in November means a “President Obama” is that much closer to reality.
Some say I’m “blinded”…If I am, then Fred Thompson is blinded too…and Mitt…and a host of prominent conservative Republicans. We’re all blind.
JetBoy on June 4, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Self righteous Juan McVain is a modern day Pharisee.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Fred has been essentially quiet. Mitt wants VP.
Your calling it the amnesty “thing” shows you don’t understand the depth of feeling about this issue. Not saying you have to share it, but you don’t seem to get it.
How do you feel about that “abortion thing”– it’s awfully annoying to have people making such a big deal out of it all the time.
JiangxiDad on June 4, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Energy Policy… he voted against us drilling here. Killed ANWAR one vote. He is still not leading in the Senate to open up the Gulf even though CUBA is selling drilling rights.
Green Agenda… he is a cap and trader. Put his name on more than one bill in the last few years.
McCain/Feingold… Government control of free political speech… he wrote the dang thing.
And last, but not least, his biggest Cheerleader is LEIBERMAN! A DEMOCRAT.
Its more than just the border, or the war.
Romeo13 on June 4, 2008 at 6:51 PM
McCain will not be questioned!
- Dalek
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 6:52 PM
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Argh!
On ANWR and drilling, yes…I disagree with McCain there. But on that, and the so-called “green agenda”, McCain is not some ecomaniac, he sees it more as a Teddy Roosevelt thing he’s doing, preserving natural resources.
McCain/Feingold was wrong too. Yes…it inhibited free speech. He knows that.
And a man can’t help who supports him. Lieberman is not a Democrat btw…he’s an independent.
JetBoy on June 4, 2008 at 6:58 PM
Fred’s been quiet, but he did endorse McCain. But please, you or someone tell me…What IS McCain’s stand on illegals and immigration? Do you guys really know?
And “amnesty” versus abortion? No comparison. And yes, I’m 100% pro-life.
JetBoy on June 4, 2008 at 7:01 PM
If I knew what was going on I swear I would be laughing…en español.
The Race Card on June 4, 2008 at 7:01 PM
The ability to recognize sarcasm was on another thread. You must think you are on that thread. But, it was great sarcasm.
cjs1943 on June 4, 2008 at 7:07 PM
Amen, brutha. McCain will never have my vote. I’m certain he knows by now exactly who Juan is and his stance on these open- borders issues. In fact, I will go so far as to say that’s precisely why McAmnesty hired him in the first place. He’s trying to have his cake and eat it too (i.e. keep his liberal policies and open-borders friends while lying to conservatives that he has any knowledge of such things). Trouble is, I and many others aren’t buying into his lies.
Livefreeordie on June 4, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Some then please tell me what or whom you are voting for?
Dead presidents? Dogs? Obamaessiah?
Seriously… this is like watching a boiling pot with eggs in it.
upinak on June 4, 2008 at 7:16 PM
## OFFICIAL DECREE ##
Henceforth “Juan McCain” shall be an acceptable monicker for our surly-soon-to-be-POTUS-on-a-longshot-US Senator John McCain.
As soon as he drops this Juan Hernandez goon from his ranks, all interested parties shall refrain from such references. It has been so written.
I’m off, along with Pinky and the Brain of course, to take over the world. I’ll be home for dinner.
The Race Card on June 4, 2008 at 7:23 PM
They’re only holding on to that dream of the ultra-conservative presidential GOP nominee. I had the same dream. Didn’t happen. But I refuse to pout about it, and stay home in November to send some kind of “message” to the GOP…as others seem to think will work.
In the meantime, the country goes the way of the Union of Soviet States of America under Obama. They can live with that. I refuse to.
JetBoy on June 4, 2008 at 7:26 PM
Admitting that you have a problem is the first step in rectifying it.
Congratulations!
All snark aside;
Fred Thompson is a pretty good conservative blinded by a long and close personal friendship with McCain.
Mitt is actually a centrist who has some good sense, a few solid conservative values, has a better grasp of economics than most liberals, but really should run as an Independent because he likes to play both sides of the field.
Nearly all the other ‘true’ conservatives who have endorsed McCain have done so for the sake of ‘party unity’ and wanting to preserve their own political powers… NOT because they think McCain is worth a tinkers dam.
Lieberman IS an Independent… Who is an Independent ONLY because he has a common sense approach to Defense and the Middle East situation. Other than that, he still sits happily with the rest of the leftists on the Democrat side of the aisle.
But I don’t know why I waste the keystrokes and the electrons to get this posted. We have been through this many times before. Some people are so afraid of Obama that they refuse to admit that the one they see as their only hope for a savior has any significant flaws.
We can have some good discussions about which strategy for survival is best in the short run and in the long run, but there is no point in discussing things if all participants don’t acknowledge the realities of the situation.
LegendHasIt on June 4, 2008 at 7:32 PM
No, I know where I am.
I AM, however, unaware of the thread of which you type.
Link?
LegendHasIt on June 4, 2008 at 7:35 PM
On the Cap and Trade, its not conservation, its the largest increase in government power EVER, and he cosponsered a couple of the bills in past years. Your blinded by his rhetoric.
As to Leiberman? HE’s a CAMPAIGN SPOKESMAN, not just a supporter…
Romeo13 on June 4, 2008 at 7:47 PM
As you know, I was for Fred in the “before time”, before…I believe…anyone else. Yes, he’s a very good conservative, but to say he too is “blinded” by friendship? Any evidence of this, or simply opinion? Obviously, Fred has no personal political gain by endorsing McCain.
Again, I never liked Mitt as a candidate much. At least we agree he’s more centrist than right, and although he has a few conservative values, he’s not quite the Republican. He may or may not have “veep” on his mind, but again…I’m sticking with McCain picking Crist.
First, what’s wrong with party unity? Look what the lack of unity is doing to the Democrats. Again, it’s simply your opinion that congressional conservatives are endorsing McCain to maintain power. On some, you may be right, or you may not be.
You’re right on your first point, but Lieberman is no “leftist”. I live in Connecticut, so believe me…I have a grasp on Joe.
JetBoy on June 4, 2008 at 8:00 PM
McCain was obviously blindsided and perplexed by the question about Hernandez, It sounds to me like he barely knows the chump. Plenty of pro open border groups have just as much problem with McCain over immigration as the conservatives do. The answer lies between the extremes.
myamphibian on June 4, 2008 at 8:00 PM
if McCain should win, what are the chances Hernandez is on his White house staff?
Kjeil on June 4, 2008 at 8:43 PM
I don’t give a fat rat’s a** how he sees what he’s doing. It’s going to wreck the bloody economy as bad or worse than anything Obama is planning to do.
austinnelly on June 4, 2008 at 8:58 PM
It won’t wreck the economy if McCain can truly get Congress to cut out the massive pork spending. And chances are, he will.
But to say any McCain plan is as “bad or worse” than anything Obama will do…you must be joking.
JetBoy on June 4, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Yes, and as long as you’re dreaming, I’d like a pony.
Janna on June 4, 2008 at 9:43 PM
McCain’s selective outrage at pork is a pittance compared to the big government programs that he advocates.
FloatingRock on June 4, 2008 at 10:03 PM
+1
The Race Card on June 4, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Time to update an old parable:
(OK, I know that it is really a fable since it involves no humans, but I prefer to think of it as a parable, so send the grammar police after me if you must.)
Nonetheless:
———————————————————————————————————————
One day, a scorpion, named Johnny, looked around at the Arizona desert in which he lived, and decided that he wanted a change. He said ; “I’d like to live in a fine, big, white house, with lots of servants, rather than in this desert with nothing but dirty peasants around me. So, he set out on a journey to find this white house that he so desired.
After years of journeying; across deserts, mountains and plains, he came finally to a river; The Potomac. The river was wide and swift, and Johnny the Scorpion stopped to consider the situation. He couldn’t see any way across. And as he searched, he saw in the distance, an obamanation.
An Obamanation is a kind of a monster: they have only one wing… (the left one, so they are unable to actually fly). This particular one had long legs and its body was an empty shell, so it could run fairly well. It also has a slight magical power to cast a a glamor on the weak minded that made them think that they had hope and their lives would change, if only they would give the Obamination power over them. Now these monsters have no real powers unless you give them to them; nonetheless, they are greatly feared by many creatures who are not weak minded enough to fall for the glamor, but not strong minded enough to figure out how to protect themselves.
The scorpion, now, not only wanted that big white house to live in, but he wanted to escape from the monster. So he ran upriver looking for a bridge, then ran downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to give up his dream of the white house, and spend the rest of his life hiding under a rock like the others of his kind.
Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.
“Hellooo Mr. Frog!” called the scorpion across the water, “Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?”
“Well now, Mr. Scorpion! “Just call me Connie”….but….”How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to stick your stinger in me as soon as I come near?”
“Because,” Johnnie the Scorpion replied; “There is a monster, an obamination coming and he will kill us both if he catches us. We will both be safe if you will only get me across the Potomac, where there is a big white house with many servants waiting for me. I will even let you come to supper there occasionally if you will help me get there.
Now this seemed to make sense to Connie the Frog, who had heard other frogs talking of the terrible left winged monsters, and Connie was very fearful of such creatures.
“Alright then…how do I know you won’t just wait till we get to the other side and THEN stick your stinger in my back???” said the frog.
“Ahh…,” crooned the scorpion, “Because you see, once you’ve taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to stick my stinger into your back, now would it?!”
So Connie the Frog agreed to take Johnny the Scorpion across the river. He swam over to Johnny and settled himself in the mud near the bank to pick up his passenger. Johnny crawled onto the frog’s back, his sharp claws prickling into Connie’s soft hide a bit, but Connie was willing to endure that in hopes of having a friend in the fine white house with many servants, who would protect him from the obamination monster..
Connie the Frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the Connie stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly across the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.
As they reached the far side of the Potomac;Just in sight of the fine white house with many servants waiting for their new master, Connie the Frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from his back and start up the path to the fine white house.
A deadening numbness began to creep into Connie’s limbs.
Connie said” Why on earth did you do that?” “I saved you from the obamanation and brought you to the gate of the house of your dreams.”
The scorpion shrugged, and said: “I could not help myself. It is my nature.”
As Johnny entered his fine white house, Connie died there on the banks of the Potomac; his last thoughts: “I wonder just how bad that obamanation monster really would have been; At least I would have been smart and fast enough to hop and swim around him and keep him at a distance. Allowing a scorpion to ride right upon my back was really a bad choice after all.
LegendHasIt on June 4, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Sit in any seat on the bus they like as long as it heads back to Mexico.
Dollayo on June 4, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Allah, your obsession with Hagee is positively weird, to say nothing of illogical — since you call yourself an atheist. I have been to Hagee’s church: No one — not even an atheist — would feel either unwelcome or hated there. Standing offer: Come on down to San Antonio some weekend, and I will personally drive you to Hagee’s church that Sunday, so you can see it for yourself. Hagee is a good man. You are treating him unfairly.
sanantonian on June 5, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Well done! I recommend saving it for reposting in a fresher illegal immigration thread.
My only recommendation would be to include the word “betrayed”, in the final thoughts passage. For example:
his last thoughts: “Betrayal!!! Just how bad could that obamanation monster really have been; At least I would have been smart and fast enough to hop and swim around to keep him at a distance.
Croak!
FloatingRock on June 5, 2008 at 2:18 AM
FloatingRock on June 5, 2008 at 2:18 AM
Thanks!
I had already polished up the story a bit and posted it on my blog. Just now tried editing it with your idea, but I couldn’t make it feel just right without rewriting the whole paragraph, and I’m too dull witted at the moment to do that.
I’m sure it will be posted again (and again) here as the days days turn into weeks, enough so that even the people that agree with it will get sick of seeing it.
LegendHasIt on June 5, 2008 at 2:31 AM
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