It forces government rationing of CO2 emissions, and then creates a “market” for ration stamps. Anything government rations, it controls. And anything government controls, it creates massive bureaucracies to run, and massive regulation to enforce.

Not so sure about that… I haven’t seen the cap and trade system put in place to battle acid rain described in that light. However, the addition of special loopholes for every conceivable industry could really make such a system falter.

Which brings me to a request…

Is there anyone with firsthand experience about how the legislative process and Congressional offices work who would be willing to answer a few questions I have? Is there a site where you can go and read about this stuff?

Specifically, I need information about committees; how is classified information handled in committees, who has access to committee meetings/minutes, how often do they convene, who can call a hearing and when, exactly how members are selected, etc. Also, how are Congressional offices arranged, how much latitude do Congressmen have with regard to organising their offices, and a few other miscellaneous things like that.

If you do know about this stuff and wouldn’t mind chatting about it, please email me: comments(at)theright-stuff.com .

If I were the CEO of a major manufacturer, oil company, car company, et al I’d tell my employees in blunt terms that their jobs are at risk if this type of legislation were to pass. I’d tell them without hesitation I’d close down all domestic operations and leave. The Fed can’t stop it either.

DerKrieger on June 4, 2008 at 11:04 AM

This is actually a very good idea. Climate scientists who are not in the pocket of the government warm-mongers can’t seem to get any traction with the media. But a major public-relations campaign by business, raising the spectre of this crazy legislation doing horrible damage to the American economy, could have an effect the media can’t ignore.

What’s the slogan? “Cap-and-Trade Will Kill Your Job!” Feel free to come up with better ones.

Sanford
Pawlenty
Palin
Crist
Jindal
Lieberman
Sessions

Fixed.

Sorry, Pawlenty is fully onboard the train of this cult. As well as Norm Coleman, who’s name I didn’t see as one of the very few nays, on the cloture vote.

Remember how the Tobacco Settlement was used to build more hospitals and care centers and educate the public about the dangers of smoking? Oops, I guess that money went up in smoke [pun intended] as state legislatures couldn’t resist dipping into the funds for their pet projects.

This bill would give Congress and enormous amount of money ($4 trillion or so) to do with what they wish. And where does the money come from? Look to your left and look to your right. We are going to pay for their pork fueled orgy. Our Founding Fathers are spinning at 100 rps right now.

In 1993, I had a chart of the mind-boggling permutations of Hillary Clinton’s healthcare power-grab over 15% of the economy. As Al Jolson would say, “you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.” The Warner-Lieberman bill, and its update in the Boxer plan,……

Why would Maverick back away from his own bill?

Ed, why do you omit no-earmark/pork-buster McCain from your analysis? How do we push him right if we don’t mention his name?

RUSH- ARE YOU READING??

Where is the other half of the CO2 going?

Probably some to the oceans, probably a lot is absorbed by photosynthesis by plants, both on land and in the oceans. Numerous scientific studies show that plants grow faster, yield more crops, and use CO2 faster if there is more CO2 in the atmosphere. If current trends continue, the Earth should become greener and more fertile as CO2 levels rise, until the CO2 consumption rate by plants catches up to the emission rate, and the CO2 concentration reaches steady state.

What’s wrong with that, and why should Congress spend trillions of dollars trying to prevent it?

By the way, global temperatures over the past 9 years are still lower than they were in 1998. But don’t confuse Congress with the facts!

I have never understood why Sean Hannity sucks up to Lieberman so much. JellyToast on June 4, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Hannity likes interviewing senators, even pro-abortion socialists like Joe. Nevermind that he is helping to perpetuate the myth that Lieberman is a moderate.

There are some good blogs out there by global-warming skeptics (Steven Milloy’s junkscience.com and the Idso brothers’ co2science.com come to mind) but the mainstream press has taken Gore’s side, and censored any skeptics as equivalent to flat-earthers. Although I work in a company with lots of meteorologists, not one of whom believes in global warming!!!

Also, John Coleman, who founded the Weather Channel, also said that “global warming is the greatest scam in human history”. Somehow, the scientists who have studied the issue and know the facts have to unite and present a strong case to Congress and the future President (even when ad funds might be scarce in an election year) to shoot this down once and for all.

There’s nothing wrong with conserving energy, which people will naturally do when prices are high. But we need to use the energy sources we have–American oil, gas, and coal, and nuclear power. If we don’t, the Chinese will.

This makes sense if one assumes that congress gives a damn about what happens to America and Americans. But, since, they so consistently go the other way it might make more sense to figure that their loyalties are elsewhere. I think K Street makes the most sense. They’ve gerrymandered themselves out of competition with outsiders and written campaign finance laws that make it unbelievably difficult for anyone to run against them. My problems or your problems are of no interest to them. Their major concern seems to be getting themselves more taxpayer supported perks. I don’t even so much want them to solve my problems as much as to quit adding to them. But I’m such an easy touch as long as they have the power to tax like crazy and spend us into horrifyingly huge debt. And why should they mess with the environmental lobby, since those people will actively mobilize and make a congressman’s life difficult. Your everyday driver is just going to pay the higher gas price and limit his life to the degree necessary. It makes no sense for them to care about the ordinary person since there’s nothing in it for them.

a non-producing resource class

That is exactly what the Socialists(Dems) intend to create as a way to ensure their grip on power.

Time to enact a grand “Atlas Shrugs” plan.

If I were the CEO of a major manufacturer, oil company, car company, et al I’d tell my employees in blunt terms that their jobs are at risk if this type of legislation were tp pass. I’d tell them without hesitation I’d close down all domestic operations and leave. The Fed can’t stop it either.

Throw in a few quotes from Edward Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire one will see the course that has been charted for this country.

Tom

I keep coming back to William Daniels as John Adams: “Is anybody there? Does anybody care? Does anyone see what I see?” What does it take to get responsible representatives — Republican and Democrat alike — who think about the repercussions of their actions?

Depending on how Congress eventually deals with global warming . . .

The only way we are going to stop this government takeover of energy is to convince the American people and then the Congress that anthropogenic ‘global warming’ is a hoax, and therefore there is no ‘need’ to control ‘carbon’.

It’s going to take a massive campaign to do this. Suggestions welcome!

For a start, is there no one Sen. McCain listens to who can talk some sense into his thick head?

How about that Republican re-branding effort? It appears that far too many Republicans are willing to go along with Barbara Boxer on this ill-conceived legislation.

Plaudits to Senator Inhofe, but his compatriots among Republican office-holders are far too few. A vast expansion of the federal government appears to be speeding toward us.