GOP praying for an Obama/Clinton ticket?

posted at 9:50 pm on June 4, 2008 by Allahpundit

But boys — we don’t hate her anymore.

Well, no, I guess we (read: you) do. Some loves are evergreen.

“Fundraising from our Republican conservative base would skyrocket, in my opinion, because she’s such a divisive figure in conservative Republican circles,” said Cesar Conda, who raised over $100,000 for President Bush in 2004 and was a top fundraiser to Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) this cycle. “Putting her on the ticket would be the one thing to wake those donors up from their current doldrums.

“It would really be a godsend to McCain and the Republican National Committee [RNC],” said Conda, who will work to help McCain…

A major McCain fundraiser agreed that Clinton would help McCain fill his coffers but requested anonymity because he is not authorized to speak for the campaign…

“For conservatives, the hair on the back of their necks stands up and they hear fingernails streaking down the blackboard,” said [GOP fundraiser Dan] Morgan. “With Obama, you have to spend a lot of time explaining who he is and why he’s bad. With Hillary Rodham Clinton on the ticket, she’d be a major focal point — you can just sit back.”

Yet another reason why making her veep is a horrible idea for Barry O. Morgan says elsewhere in the piece that the grassroots haven’t formed any strong opinions yet about Obama because he’s still a relatively unknown quantity, which is probably true … and kind of horrifying in what it suggests about the relative impotence of the vaunted conservative message machine. After Wrightgate and Bittergate and Limbaugh and Hannity hammering away at the Messiah for three hours a day for the past four months with no meaningful Republican primary contests to distract them, the base still isn’t worried enough about him to donate in huge quantities? Granted, Hillary carries a brand 15 years in the making, but the media’s been giving saturation coverage to their new love object since January. The fact that his positions are indistinguishable from hers should be enough to convey the horror. Or am I missing the whole point here, that Obama’s actually earned goodwill among conservatives by having dispatched Her Satanic Majesty?


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I dunno if I were Barak I wouldnt accept any invites to local parks from my VP.

William Amos on June 4, 2008 at 9:53 PM

No, Hillary would strengthen Obama’s chances too much.

He must throw her under the (very) crowded bus and guarantee his gaffelicious disaster.

Throw her, Barry! Now!

profitsbeard on June 4, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Never forget the anti-matter non-appeal of John McCain.

sondiehl on June 4, 2008 at 10:00 PM

The more we can get the Democrat ick Party to engage in such… Greek Tragedy Kabuki, THE BETTER!

Scribbler on June 4, 2008 at 10:00 PM

I fail to see how HRC would hurt Obama. Can someone explain it to me? Seriously. Seems like a net gain to me; most people who will or might vote for Obama are not “nutroots” types; they would be reassured by her, no; almost the mirror image effect of a Romney VP with McCain–what am I missing?

By the way, I suspect she will be the VP.

ParisParamus on June 4, 2008 at 10:00 PM

You know who’s not praying for an Obama/Clinton ticket? John McCain.

SoulGlo on June 4, 2008 at 10:01 PM

(please ignore the “no” above between “her” and “almost”

ParisParamus on June 4, 2008 at 10:01 PM

It’s not going to happen now, but maybe in a couple of months after tempers have cooled down, and depending on what Obama’s poll numbers are in the swing states. Democrats act on emotion so much that if even one tiny poll showed Hillary might help win Ohio or Florida, it would produce a media tsunami that could force Obama’s hand going into Denver.

But it’s hard to believe Barack, let alone Michelle, would allow the Clintons and their longtime minions even the slightest chance to take over their campaign, now that everyone knows the left in the Democratic Party wasn’t blind to 15 years of their shenanigans, they just looked the other way because beating the Republicans trumphed ethics.

jon1979 on June 4, 2008 at 10:02 PM

the base still isn’t worried enough about him to donate in huge quantities?

The way I hear it, the national Republican Party is pretty flush. It’s McCain that can’t get the juice flowing. Go figure.

VolMagic on June 4, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Funny, how Hill hitched a ride on Bill’s wagon to get to where she is, and now Bill’s the one who’s going to prevent her from getting the VP slot.

Michelle O. says, “twofers don’t play around here homey”.

fogw on June 4, 2008 at 10:04 PM

No, AP, you missed the point…BO is every bit as offensive as HC. She was loved only when she was taking him down a few notches…now that she’s trying to join with him, she’s under the bus with conservatives. But you are right about this: Conservatives and Republicans have a long way to go to bridge the gap and I don’t see either side trying right now…so, while I won’t be voting for Satan Incarnate BO, I think he wins by default, no matter what the repubs do…McCain will continue to try and be his friend right until the day he happens to fall under the bus. Then it’s Jimmy Carter II, The Bride of Remorse for 4 – 8 years, or until BO pulls a Venezuela and is elected Jesus for life…

AUINSC on June 4, 2008 at 10:06 PM

It’s gonna be an epic defeat. Epic. Disasterous.

lorien1973 on June 4, 2008 at 10:06 PM

She’s put Obama in a corner. If he doesn’t ask he’s gonna make 18 million people mad. If does he’s going to make 18 million people mad. Heh.

SouthernGent on June 4, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Hill on the ticket is bad news peeps. All it does is strengthen the ticket by bring both sides of the whacked out party together again.

melachiro on June 4, 2008 at 10:07 PM

This pie is getting heavy.

Limerick on June 4, 2008 at 10:07 PM

I don’t see an Obama/Clinton ticket hurting Obama. An Obama/anybody else ticket will have the Dembots hopelessly divided, while Clinton as VP may consolidate the party. It’s all about “healing”, you know.

flipflop on June 4, 2008 at 10:08 PM

oops, try bringing instead of bring…see above;)

melachiro on June 4, 2008 at 10:09 PM

Clinton on the ticket and it’s all over.

No way McCain can win without disaffected Democrats going to him.

As Morris pointed out, the American people want to elect McCain but they don’t want to elect a Republican; they want to elect a Democrat but they’re not sure they want Obama.

Obama+Clinton will, it seems to me, assure Democrats and some moderates that it’s okay to vote for Obama.

Now, once they’re in office, it’ll be like the Kennedy mafia and the LBJ mafia going at it. Ugly.

Not much solace though.

SteveMG on June 4, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Here’s how Hill could get the VP slot …..

Barry: “Look Hillary, the wife and I talked it over and the only way we’ll let you on the ticket is if you divorce that SOB husband of yours. We don’t want him anywhere near the White House.”

Hillary: “OK”

fogw on June 4, 2008 at 10:13 PM

ParisParamus on June 4, 2008 at 10:00 PM
flipflop on June 4, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Except that something like 50% of the country doesn’t trust her to be back in the WH. With Hillary comes Bill and her carts full of baggage.

amerpundit on June 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM

With Hillary comes Bill and her carts full of baggage.

amerpundit on June 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM

And Bill was a twice elected golden boy who is often a media darling to this day!

melachiro on June 4, 2008 at 10:17 PM

No, Hillary would strengthen Obama’s chances too much.

profitsbeard on June 4, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Don’t count on it. I don’t have time for a short explanation I’m afraid.

The primary process has gone on for about 18 months now, and thus it’s very easy to view the VP selection through the prism of what we’ve seen over the primaries. However, that would be a mistake. What we’ve seen so far is a pillow fight between friends- what follows is a knife fight between enemies.

As a conservative it pains me to say it, but conservatives like you and me, or Obama and Hillary’s loyal Democratic primary voters don’t win elections. Everyone else in between, combined with the electoral math wins elections. His VP choice will cater to them, not Hillary’s backers.

There really isn’t much difference politically between Obama and Hillary; most of the currently disgruntled Hillary supporters will rally around their parties nominee- especially after the general election campaign gets underway. The golf scene from Animal House comes to mind- “He can’t do that to one of our pledges- only WE can do that to our pledges”. After watching their party’s nominee attacked for having many of the same positions as Hillary, they’ll overcome thier disappointment.

We’ve not heard the last of Pflieger, Wright, Ayers, Rezko and whomever else it going to get dug up. The last thing he needs is a VP candidate who has a larger skeleton collection in their closet than he does- and Hillary has a whole house full. What he’ll pick (if he’s smart, and I’m not sure he is) is someone who’ll deflect the experience issue- probably a governor, preferably from a battleground state and with foreign policy and/or military experience. Bringing in independants and those not firmly aligned with a party is the goal, not catering to hardcore Dems who’ll vote for him anyways, with few exceptions.

VP’s that would fit the bill? Wes Clark, Bill Richardson, or Mark Warner for example should all scare McCain far more than Hillary ever will.

Hollowpoint on June 4, 2008 at 10:19 PM

If not for the potential replacement of 1 or 2 Sup. Court replacements, I wouldn’t vote for, but wouldn’t object to either being of these two becoming POTUS. History will repeat itself – a conservative revival after 4 disasterous years (think Carter / Reagan). What’s disheartening is that the Carter years wasn’t THAT long ago. Can/do people forget that easily?

As for VP Hillary, Secret Service might want to add some extra detail for Obama, if/when this ticket is clinched.

SoldiersMom on June 4, 2008 at 10:19 PM

The plan is A…no it is B…wait C looks good…

pffffffffffffttttt

Why, oh why, is everything a plan? Everything worked out. Chess pieces neatly placed on the board. Rook to King 2, Knight takes pawn, pawn takes pawn, Bishop to Queen 4!

These people (racissssssst/sexisssssssst) aren’t any different then you or me. They get up when the alarm rings, pull up their pants(suit) and promptly stub their toe on the foot of the bed.

They’ll hook up. It doesn’t have to make sense.

Limerick on June 4, 2008 at 10:19 PM

amerpundit on June 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM

Most people don’t even know Obama is, much less who Bill Clinton is…BTW, Obama is some really good looking black dude and we all love really good looking black dudes and he’s for change…anybody see my bong?

AUINSC on June 4, 2008 at 10:20 PM

They get up when the alarm rings, pull up their pants(suit) and promptly stub their toe on the foot of the bed

.

I agree, some people are overthinking this. Although egos come into play.

Obama knows he cannot win without those who supported Clinton.

And many (or enough of them) of those who supported Clinton will stay at home if she’s not on the ticket.

They can work out the WH details – who gets what powers, et cetera – later. This is about winning.

1+1=2

SteveMG on June 4, 2008 at 10:23 PM

And Bill was a twice elected golden boy who is often a media darling to this day!

melachiro on June 4, 2008 at 10:17 PM

He’s been attacked, considered racist for remarks he’s made against Obama, etc in the media. He was good until he attacked their new golden boy.

amerpundit on June 4, 2008 at 10:23 PM

If Obama picks Hill as VP, we need to fly Rush out to the USS Reagan for a mission accomplished speech.

BohicaTwentyTwo on June 4, 2008 at 10:24 PM

“And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.”

Asher on June 4, 2008 at 10:24 PM

He’s been attacked, considered racist for remarks he’s made against Obama, etc in the media. He was good until he attacked their new golden boy.

amerpundit on June 4, 2008 at 10:23 PM

I agree with ya there but, that was when he was on the opposing team during the primary. Once Hill has the VP spot I believe the media will take quite a shine to ole Billy Boy again.

melachiro on June 4, 2008 at 10:26 PM

I am convinced Mrs Obama will not let that happen.

EJDolbow on June 4, 2008 at 10:29 PM

I am convinced Mrs Obama will not let that happen.

EJDolbow on June 4, 2008 at 10:29 PM

I hope your right!

melachiro on June 4, 2008 at 10:29 PM

He was good until he attacked their new golden boy.

amerpundit on June 4, 2008 at 10:23 PM

However, if they join forces, it would send the message that the old and new Golden boys had reconciled, at least to a point.

I confess it would almost be worth it if they did pair up…and Michelle delivered a highly public crotch-boot to Horn Dog One. Heck, even I might vote for that if Michelle made a monthly Expiation Kick part of the party platform.

sulla on June 4, 2008 at 10:30 PM

But boys — we don’t hate her anymore.

We only loved the trouble she was making and we naturally sympathize with people who are unfairly treated, nay, target for destruction, by the media.

TheBigOldDog on June 4, 2008 at 10:34 PM

sulla on June 4, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Curious as hell how you chose your handle.

Limerick on June 4, 2008 at 10:34 PM

I am convinced Mrs Obama will not let that happen.

EJDolbow on June 4, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Now that’s one fight I’d pay money to see on Pay-per-view.

TheBigOldDog on June 4, 2008 at 10:35 PM

Why would Barry take her on, though? Think of what would happen if he won and brought those two into the WH. At best, incessant distractions and gossip; at worst, major scandals and sabotage of his agenda. No. He doesn’t want Clintons anywhere near his Presidency, and he thinks he can win without them.

Missy on June 4, 2008 at 10:36 PM

With Obama, you have to spend a lot of time explaining who he is and why he’s bad.

Well put, and sadly true.

yo on June 4, 2008 at 10:36 PM

I understand the right’s calling for this and labeling it a contradiction in order to make it impossible. In reality, Clinton as VP would defeat McCain.

awake on June 4, 2008 at 10:38 PM

Empty suit or pant suit…..no difference. Both are shallow and quite able to offer anything for your vote.

Rovin on June 4, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Curious as hell how you chose your handle.

Limerick on June 4, 2008 at 10:34 PM

I’ve long been fascinated with the late Roman Republic.

Colleen McCullough’s The Grass Crown is one of my favorite books. The life of Lucius Cornelius Sulla captured my desired approach to commenting on All Things Clinton.

The inspiration was a letter from Pompey Strabo to Sulla:

You are a champion of the old ways, but you do have an interesting new style…

Hard to believe I’ve been using the handle for over 10 years now.

sulla on June 4, 2008 at 10:51 PM

I understand the right’s calling for this and labeling it a contradiction in order to make it impossible. In reality, Clinton as VP would defeat McCain.

awake on June 4, 2008 at 10:38 PM

No, it would make it less likely. Don’t make the mistake of trying to extrapolate the primary race of Dem vs Dem to the general election of Dems + Independants vs Republicans + Independants. It’s an entirely different ballgame.

Having Hillary on the ticket would help with a narrow subset of disgruntled Hillary supporters, but with everyone else? Not so much.

Hollowpoint on June 4, 2008 at 10:53 PM

sulla on June 4, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Bingo! Im a Gaius Marius fan.

Now if McCain would just pick him for VP.

Limerick on June 4, 2008 at 10:55 PM

Having Hillary on the ticket would help with a narrow subset of disgruntled Hillary supporters, but with everyone else? Not so much.

But how much would a Webb or Clark et cetera bring?

VP’s are usually picked to balance a ticket or to help win a big/key state. Clinton apparently is able to attract white older/blue collar voters along with women esp. those in key states – Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan – that will determine the race. If Obama doesn’t get those votes, he won’t win those states.

Obviously, it’s dangerous extrapolating from a primary to the general.

Clinton brings a lot of baggage but also some benefits. More benefits, it seems to me, than any other person being suggested.

SteveMG on June 4, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Hollowpoint on June 4, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Completely agree and would add that the little gain the party would pick up would be negated by the influx of conservatives that wouldn’t even go to the polls except to vote against the lady.

Rovin on June 4, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Actually Rush is hammering away at McCain most days and Hannity does whatever Rush does.

AYNBLAND on June 4, 2008 at 10:59 PM

obama-clinton:

zero executive experience.

zero military experience.

zero economic experience.

zero record of bi-partisanship.

BRING THEM ON!

btw: i think McCain-Ridge is th best ticket for the GOP: Ridge is a Viet vet, a 6 term congressman, a two-term Guv – of a KEY state; he has blue collar appeal in the midwest/rust belt and could help win Penn and Ohio and Michigan.

His military experience along with McCain’s makes the contrast with the dems even more stark

PREDICTION: 350 electoral votes for McCain.

A colossal wipe put of the dems.

reliapundit on June 4, 2008 at 11:00 PM

Didn’t/Hasn’t Ridge looked kind of flakey recently in connection with Homeland Security (or am I confusing him with someone else)?

ParisParamus on June 4, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Give us Barabbas.

LOL.

the grassroots haven’t formed any strong opinions yet about Obama because he’s still a relatively unknown quantity

I’ve definitely formed an opinion about him. The Man is the most radical Islamic Socialist wolf to ever don sheep’s clothing.

the base still isn’t worried enough about him to donate in huge quantities?

Conservatives like me who care about Life, Marriage, Fair Tax, 2nd Amendment, and National Sovereignty donate money to http://www.HuckPAC.com, where 1000 new contributors gave money in the last three weeks of May.

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Hollowpoint on June 4, 2008 at 10:53 PM

God, I hope you are right, Hollowpoint.

awake on June 4, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Now if McCain would just pick him for VP.

Limerick on June 4, 2008 at 10:55 PM

I recall a very competent centurion Gnaeus Petraeus in “First Man in Rome.” And I have the highest regard for Gen. Petraeus. If he weren’t so well suited to his current assignment…

sulla on June 4, 2008 at 11:22 PM

Empty suit or pant suit…no difference. Both are shallow Marxist Democratic Socialists and quite able to offer anything for your vote.

Rovin on June 4, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 11:25 PM

The way I hear it, the national Republican Party is pretty flush. It’s McCain that can’t get the juice flowing. Go figure.

VolMagic on June 4, 2008 at 10:03 PM

I don’t know what the hell you’re listening to , but it ain’t anywhere near the truth!

The Republican Party is in worse shape than McCain. Party membership is now at just 70% that of the Dems, the GOP has lost 3 formerly safe seats already this year, and the Dems are well on course to make sweeping gains in the Senate.

If Obama wins the Presidency, then we are facing Democratic super-hegemony. 60 Democratic seats in the Senate now looks likely.

Face the reality: it is precisely Jonny Mac’s maverick streak that makes him the only GOP candidate capable of beating the Messiah this year. Fortunately, the prospect of Democratic hegemony has made him more conservative, not less.

Pax americana on June 4, 2008 at 11:26 PM

F**k the GOP. They’re not getting a dime from me. I’ll send them one of those “Gringo de Mexico” dollars if they beg for money.

Lehuster on June 4, 2008 at 11:34 PM

If not for the potential replacement of 1 or 2 Sup. Court replacements, I wouldn’t vote for, but wouldn’t object to either being of these two becoming POTUS.

Who do you think McCain is going to nominate for SCOTUS with probably 58 Democrats in the Senate?

Hint: not a conservative.

I’m not pulling the lever for Juan McShamnesty just so we get two broke-d!ck Souters on the Court.

Lehuster on June 4, 2008 at 11:38 PM

Face the reality: it is precisely Jonny Mac’s maverick streak that makes him the only GOP candidate capable of beating the Messiah this year. Fortunately, the prospect of Democratic hegemony has made him more conservative, not less. Pax americana on June 4, 2008 at 11:26 PM

He’ll win I agree. But, McCain’s Navy has listed to port the last few years.

Mojave Mark on June 4, 2008 at 11:39 PM

F**k the GOP. They’re not getting a dime from me. I’ll send them one of those “Gringo de Mexico” dollars if they beg for money.

Lehuster on June 4, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Well, I was hoping this was a sane place to discuss a serious issue. Oh well.

ParisParamus on June 4, 2008 at 11:39 PM

Or am I missing the whole point here, that Obama’s actually earned goodwill among conservatives by having dispatched Her Satanic Majesty?

Not so much, AP. The one thing most conservatives have learned is that Obama is even more dangerous than Hillary.

Once Hill has the VP spot I believe the media will take quite a shine to ole Billy Boy again.

melachiro on June 4, 2008 at 10:26 PM

Perhaps, but Bill Clinton’s personality disorder has been exposed. He can never be allowed to have any position of power again.

Connie on June 4, 2008 at 11:44 PM

The veep slot is absolutely useless unless you have to break a tie in the Senate.

I can’t believe votes are influenced by this, but they are.

Valiant on June 4, 2008 at 11:50 PM

My prediction:

Hussein picks Hillary as his VP and wins the election, but immediately after winning the election..Hussein commits “suicide” by shooting himself in the back of the head twice.
Just as Hillary is about to take office, she is imprisoned and we finally end up with our first and last woman president…President Nancy Pelosi.

Just when you thought American politics couldn’t get any weirder…Pelosi/Gore 2009!

SaintOlaf on June 5, 2008 at 12:26 AM

Hillary won’t be his VP. Michelle O. will not allow it and Hillary couldn’t run in 2012. She simply has to run again in 2012.

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:31 AM

Hillary is so shrewd. A VP slot would be the end of her chances for the White House.

She uses yesterday for the public statement that she’s open to a VP slot.

Obama needs her supporters, but for obvious reasons, doesn’t want to give her the VP.

Behind the scenes, she going to negotiate for too much in the hope that he will publicly reject her as VP(which shouldn’t be too hard, since he doesn’t want to do it anyway).

Once she’s been publicly snubbed, she takes it to Denver, allowing the “rumors” of an independent run leverage her position with super delegates.

There ain’t no way she’s giving up the White House. This is her only shot.

Saltysam on June 5, 2008 at 12:32 AM

SaintOlaf on June 5, 2008 at 12:26 AM

Huckabee/Steele.

(Your version would be Hell on Earth!)

Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 12:34 AM

Red Pill, with all due respect, your version is fantasy in heaven.

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:36 AM

Hillary won’t be his VP. Michelle O. will not allow it and Hillary couldn’t run in 2012. She simply has to run again in 2012.

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:31 AM

Huh?

Couldn’t…but she has to?

Am I understanding you correctly?

Saltysam on June 5, 2008 at 12:42 AM

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:31 AM

Never mind, I understand what you mean now.

Duhh.

Saltysam on June 5, 2008 at 12:45 AM

Saltysam, if she takes the VP spot now, she couldn’t run against Obama in 2012. She’d rather he loose to McCain, if she’s not the nominee. Of course she’s not going to say that.

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:46 AM

I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.

–Barack Obama

That statement alone should be enough to help the GOP raise money, shouldn’t it? This is a guy who believes his own Obamassiah press. I’d vote for my Cairn Terrier over that guy. She doesn’t think she is the earth’s Lord and Savior.

funky chicken on June 5, 2008 at 12:46 AM

Saltysam, I should have just said “no, you’re not understanding me correctly” :) It’s ok. I often am too eager to post comments, without too much review.

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:49 AM

funky, the country will hopefully realize the fluff and nihilism they are all about, with stealing our money to pay for their promises. Hopefully the middle class is more alert than we fear. They, afer all, have to pay for it all, not the rich who encourage this, nor the poor who don’t pay taxes.

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:52 AM

I have alway found that if you have got Guns and Gold you don’t need to pray and if you don’t then you don’t have a prayer.

Tuco on June 5, 2008 at 12:54 AM

Tuco, Hillary has the gold, she better not have any guns.

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:57 AM

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:49 AM

Obviously, I suffer from the same affliction ;)

I still think my scenario is her real plan of attack.

Hoping for 2012 has the risk that McCain could lose to Obama, and she won’t be able to play the same game she did in ’04 with Kerry. It would be too obvious, and the media is going to watch her like a hawk.

She has to go for it, now. She has to play for keeps.

Saltysam on June 5, 2008 at 1:02 AM

Tuco, Hillary has the gold, she better not have any guns.

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:57 AM

I don’t think that she does as Bill is not speaking soprano.

Tuco on June 5, 2008 at 1:02 AM

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 12:49 AM

Obviously, I suffer from the same affliction ;)

I still think my scenario is her real plan of attack.

Hoping for 2012 has the risk that McCain could lose to Obama, and she won’t be able to play the same game she did in ’04 with Kerry. It would be too obvious, and the media is going to watch her like a hawk.

She has to go for it, now. She has to play for keeps.

Saltysam on June 5, 2008 at 1:02 AM

Heh, I was just thinking about what our elections would look like if we had a non-partisan media.

reaganaut on June 5, 2008 at 1:04 AM

This resentment is reflected in a private nationwide poll conducted this month by McLaughlin and Associates, which usually works for Republicans but is not connected with the McCain campaign. Poll-taker John McLaughlin found that John McCain had a 49 percent to 38 percent edge over Obama among all women. That is an extraordinary result, running counter to a longtime Democratic advantage.

From the Novak piece Allah just linked. I’m not super surprised, really. Michelle Obama’s whining about how tough her life is with her million dollar mansion and cushy job are a real turn-off, and her husband doesn’t inspire much confidence that he has a clue (or gives a damn) about protecting your average “typical white” mother or her children.

funky chicken on June 5, 2008 at 1:04 AM

There ain’t no way she’s giving up the White House. This is her only shot.

Saltysam on June 5, 2008 at 12:32 AM

Indeed. My take was only if this doesn’t somehow materialize at the convention. I agree with you.

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 1:09 AM

Well, off to bed. good night!

funky chicken on June 5, 2008 at 1:11 AM

Good night funky. Stay strong.

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 1:12 AM

funky, Michelle has a healthcare advisor job, for around 400 thousand a year, and has been on leave for a while now. Yes, I’m playing a little violin for her.

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 1:15 AM

Entelechy on June 5, 2008 at 1:09 AM

Do you see a scenario, post convention, that enables her to make an independent run?

I see an opening there.

Saltysam on June 5, 2008 at 1:19 AM

Satanic Majesty

Allahpundit on June 4, 2008 at 9:50 pm

Shades of ’68.

Gearing up for the party in Denver?

jaime on June 5, 2008 at 2:10 AM

I’ve long been fascinated with the late Roman Republic.

Colleen McCullough’s The Grass Crown is one of my favorite books. The life of Lucius Cornelius Sulla captured my desired approach to commenting on All Things Clinton.

The inspiration was a letter from Pompey Strabo to Sulla:

You are a champion of the old ways, but you do have an interesting new style…
Hard to believe I’ve been using the handle for over 10 years now.

sulla on June 4, 2008 at 10:51 PM

My favorite series of books too – I was fascinated with Sulla the most.

HawaiiLwyr on June 5, 2008 at 3:41 AM

My morning eyes saw headline as,
GOP paying for an Obama/Clinton ticket.
Even that’s not too far fetched, all things haywired.

maverick muse on June 5, 2008 at 6:15 AM

good

rico101 on June 5, 2008 at 6:35 AM

Michelle Obama’s whining about how tough her life is with her million dollar mansion and cushy job are a real turn-off, and her husband doesn’t inspire much confidence that he has a clue (or gives a damn) about protecting your average “typical white” mother or her children.

funky chicken on June 5, 2008 at 1:04 AM

Berry’s playing the “typical white” mother’s pimp role with all lovey dovey talk. The audacious element is how many Americans promote that CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN, effectively legalized prostitution of the Constitution. Look again where the Hope Titanic first ever unsinkable ship is headed. When Berry fails in the general, though, expect to hear all about the Lusitania though it’s the Titanic he captains with his lower “white” emigrant cargo class below.

All things considered, Hillary’s better off NOT being Berry’s Titanic anchor.

maverick muse on June 5, 2008 at 6:37 AM

Follow through:
Michelle is Obama’s anchor.
Hillary, the Energizer Bunny, is the Unsinkable Molly Brown.

maverick muse on June 5, 2008 at 6:41 AM

Michelle won’t allow it.

Hillary would step in there from day one and act liked she was the president, take control do her own thing and she and Bill would eclipse Obambi and Ms (that’s MS.!)Angrypants every day. They would look like Freshman geeks who snuck into the Senior Prom at every turn.

Alden Pyle on June 5, 2008 at 7:44 AM

It would be nice if the Republican party stood for something on their own which would cause conservatives like me to send in money! As it stands, they have kicked me under the bus as their nominee has adopted a Democratic platform and I will not support or vote for this dufus! Simply looking for weakness so you can run negative campaign ads won’t cut it. A candidate should have some sort of positive message and trying to “out liberal” a liberal ain’t going to cut it…sigh

sabbott on June 5, 2008 at 8:18 AM

The collective heads of the nutroots will explode if Obama picks Hillary.

BrianA on June 5, 2008 at 9:32 AM

To what extent will Clinton voters hold their collective noses and vote for the VP slot? I don’t think anyone knows, but if history is any lesson folks tend to vote the top of the ticket. Even if the majority of the Hillary vote goes with Obama, I think it is reasonable to assume there will be 10-20% that will either stay home or vote for McCain.

Moreover, the defections are most likely to be concentrated in those battleground states which Obama has to have. I suspect that large segments of the labor vote are simply not going to vote for Obama, Hillary or not. Moreover, she may well hurting herself among this group if she defects.

moxie_neanderthal on June 5, 2008 at 10:13 AM