can understand a third-party run if, like Perot, you command a minority so sizable — 20 or 25 percent, say — that the party simply has to address some of its concerns, if not in this election then in the next. A five percent minority doesn’t do that.

So what you are saying is even though your party has been around for years, and has it own distictive platform, it should just get the hell out of the way for some other loser candidate because it might cause some people to vote with sanity, and that might give the other loser a chance to close on the first loser?
What a sorry ass concept….

Conservative Voice on June 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM

I hope I helped you get a glimpse into the mind of a McCain supporter :)

albeit his stance on torture is too soft, and closing GITMO is wrong

I actaully heavily agree with him on this topic.

Squid, not sure what you mean by TC,

It is a cute nickname for “True” Conservatives. Since RINO’s has become the condecending nickname of choice for thos os us who have decided to vote the ticket.

The only things Bush has done right are taxes, the war and the judges ( though a flat tax would of been grand…he played with the idea, and I don’t hold it against him, since he had enough on his plate with regards to the war ).

Where McCain gets it is the 2nd Amendment, the war ( albeit his stance on torture is too soft, and closing GITMO is wrong ) and I believe he gets it with regards to taxes and spending. Where he causes me to think he is no different from Obama is this global warming crap and with regards to the border, nor did he win points with me when he along with Huckabee played the class envy card against Romney. If McCain picks a Veep who is a conservative, I will vote for McCain. And I don’t consider Huck to be a conservative ( though at least Huck tries to pretend to be one )

It frosts me that the McCain bots think its stupid, trollish, unpatriotic etc if I don’t vote for McCain.

I dont think that and most dont. I think it is stupid and trollish to say that he is “just like Obama” but to have legitimate gripes with him is something else entirely.

Listen, he has to EARN the vote, just saying he isn’t Obama isn’t enough. Every time I become luke warm on McCain, because he isn’t Obama, he flips me off.

For the most part, nothing will make you TC’s happy. That is why many of us who are trying to be constructive this election cycle and not surrender have given up trying to court you. Nothing, it seems, will work short of nominating Limbaugh.

Follow it up with you will at least listen to conservatives…not saying you have to necessarily govern conservative, I am adult enough to realize that McCain is not conservative. But the more he flips me off, the more I say right back at you.

I do listen to others, Let me tell you a story since you find Red Pill’s so interesting:
I would have never joined the Republican party if it were not for one man, John McCain. I came in from the Democrats working for him in 2000. He converted me to small government, anti-waste free market conservatism. (Jesus was not complicit in my conversion). I eventually became a big “purity and light” conservative but have mellowed out after 8 years of military service.

I did listen to conservative Ideals, from the man you T.C.’s revile so much. I carried water for Bush twice, even though I disliked him intensely. Many of us RINO’s did, despite feeling alienated by the TC’s. Now we have nominated someone who might just help us beat the odds in a a year where we should loose. All we want is the same effort you got from us in the 8 years.

Will I vote for Barr, not sure, as he also needs to earn my vote.

How to earn my vote? Well you can start with stop calling me stupid, trollish, unpatriotic etc. Follow it up with you will at least listen to conservatives…not saying you have to necessarily govern conservative, I am adult enough to realize that McCain is not conservative. But the more he flips me off, the more I say right back at you.

Red Pill, read up thread on how you were a liberal and found Christ and became conservative. That is awesome, and though we don’t agree with Huck, I am glad you have found God and changed your life accordingly. But I must ask you, ( wearing my libertarian hat ) did government cause you to have your come to Jesus moment? Hence does it matter who is in office for social reasons? I am sure the answer is when you have converted to be a social conservative you did it without the Supreme Court, without Congress, or the President. This is why it is more important to elect a fiscally responsible and foreign policy conservative…because the social stuff I leave for God. Technology will cause less abortions to take place, not who is in office…the more mothers learn about who is inside them, the less likely they will have an abortion because they will have a connection and have their “Jesus” moment.

Where did all these trolls come from? I think us “norms” (good one, 29Victor) are outnumbered here by Huckatrolls (you know who you are… God told me to vote for Huckabee…gimmie a break!) and PaulBots (I guess they’re BarrBots now
malan89 on June 5, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Good troll wages valiant battle against bad trolls

And stop calling yourselves “conservatives
malan89 on June 5, 2008 at 4:54 PM

[…] Nor am I trying to convince, with a quick glance, Snake, highopes, romeo, mb4 and several other probable trolls that say the same thing on every thread.
To be clear, I post occasionally on matters McCain who wasn’t even on my long list, to mock the above mentioned for being imbeciles[…]

[…]Please stay home on election night, the lines will be shorter for the adults.”

Trust me when I tell you this–you have no redeeming political value. It’s all in your imagination. At best you offer someone such as myself the opportunity to practice my typing skills–one finger at a time of course! patrick neid on June 5, 2008 at 2:56 PM

A valiant battle against possible trolls

SaintOlaf on June 5, 2008 at 11:26 PM

Olaf, you and your other coo coo bannanas logins are so damn arrogant.

I think it’s quite strange that you, an atheist, are so aware of the fact that America and the world is in such mortal danger.

I’m not an atheist. You are so arrogant. You think you are the only person of faith anywhere. You are disgusting. You should be ashamed. You’ve done this to other people in other threads. If someone doesn’t agree with you, they must not be a Christian. Or they must not hold any morals. It’s very obvious that YOU don’t understand God’s message, or you wouldn’t go around questioning another person’s faith simply because they disagree with you. Shame on you.

Not a 3rd party candidate but b hussein obama

Sof: For heavens sakes grow a brain! You are as bad as the muslims, you want to speed up the end of the world. You will have to answer for it.

malan89 on June 5, 2008 at 8:33 PM

They’re doing a great job.

I think it’s quite strange that you, an atheist, are so aware of the fact that America and the world is in such mortal danger.

I will give you this…you are right about that.

America will probably be brought to it’s knees soon through jihadist nuclear attacks on major cites/ports and will never recover.

I’m telling you, when even the secularists and leftists are aware of the fact that the world is coming to an end….you know it’s coming soon.

Many people are coming to repent and put their trust in Jesus Christ just because they follow current events and realize these are the end days…I hope you will be one of them.

There is only one third party that can win this year…the Constitution Party..

The Paul supporters have already moved over to Chuck Baldwin/Constitution Party…And the evangelicals have been threatening to for a while..

It’s nice to see that the universal spokesman for all evangelicals everywhere is here on this comment thread. I can’t believe you’re a Huckabee supporter. I thought that most of them cared about winning the War on Terror, something Chuck Baldwin clearly states is not one of his objectives right on his website. You’re one nutty guy, SaintOlaf.

There is only one third party that can win this year…the Constitution Party..

The Paul supporters have already moved over to Chuck Baldwin/Constitution Party…And the evangelicals have been threatening to for a while..

Unless Mccain nominates Mike Huckabee there is no way he can keep us evangelicals in the so called republican party.

If Mccain decides to say FU to us evangelicals…

Get ready for the first third party president since Abraham Lincoln!

Snake307 on June 5, 2008 at 8:51 PM

You made some very good points. First off, I do think Cap and Trade and all the other “planet saving” taxes he advocates for would destroy our economy. But I also don’t think he’d be able to get most of them through in 4 years. The Democrats will vote against it, no matter how badly they want it, simply because a Republican’s name is on it. Some of it will get through, no doubt, but the little that will get passed can be repealed by the next POTUS (Romney, perhaps? Jindal?). I have to say, I don’t think the federal government should have any place in marriage, so I won’t go there. I will say, though, that he campaigned heavily for a Same Sex marriage ban in Arizona a few years ago. I don’t know much else of his history on the issue. As for respect for life…I understand that he doesn’t have much of it. But, for his four years, all we have to worry about is justices. Conservatives will FORCE him to pick pro-life judges. He did, ultimately, vote to confirm Roberts and Alito, but I’ll admit that his involvement in the Gang of 14 bothers me more than a lot. I have nothing to say about CFR. I’ve never seen more of an atrocity to the 1st amendment rights of Americans than McCain-Feingold. I can’t argue with you there (NOTE: I wrote the thing about CFR and then realized that you didn’t even mention it. Ha). I’m not used to arguing FOR voting for McShamnesty, and I have to say…it’s difficult. But when faced with the decision between him and Obama, it’s hard to choose Obama.

My point is this:

Hildy voters may go for McCain, stay home, or at the very least not go out of their way to vote for Obama. Probably in even greater numbers than the “true real conservatives.” Especially when you consider the liberal sprinkling of Paulians and mobys among the “true conservatives” online.

The upshot may get John McCain elected. Which means, McCain would have won without your vote in 2008. Please tell me again how the message is supposed to get through?

malan89 on June 5, 2008 at 5:43 PM

I know who’s trying to kill us. I’ve also raged long and impotently against the asinine politically correct nonsense that our Washington Elite have insisted we adapt in the war. The requirement of Congress that we not use ammunition manufactured in Israel for fear of offending the people we were shooting at. Apparently they don’t mind being shot, but if they’re shot with an Israeli bullet, that would make them angry. We wouldn’t want them angry now would we?

Bush is a little arrogant, I guess it’s understandable to a certain extent. However, compared to McCain, Bush is as humble as a Monk with a vow a silence. McCain loves to read his name in the paper, and do you think he’d suddenly turn on the Media, his real supporters over the years?

McCainiacs try and claim that the war on terror is the one thing we must consider when we’re voting. I have many things to consider. First, will John stay true to this? What has he stayed true to? Almost nothing. He’s pro life, unless that pro life position requires him to vote for a Constitutional Amendment, then he’s not about to do that. He’s against Gay Marriage, again unless a Constitutional Amendment is the answer, and again he’s not for it so much. So what has he been consistantly for? He’s against tax increases, unless it’s his Carbon Cap and Trade system, which will save the planet. He’s all for those taxes even if it will destroy the economy, he doesn’t care.

How do we fight a war with the economy in a shambles? We can’t. John will lose the desire to fight the war, when his Carbon tax kicks in, and you know the Democratic Congress will pass it. That’s one of the pillars of their platform after all. Once it kicks in, and the prices of things inflate out of reach of the people, will John be able to continue to war without money? Who will pay for the fuel to fly the soldiers there and back? Who will pay for the troops, the support systems, the medical? It all cost money, and the money is about to dry up with his cap and trade deal.

I can easily see John McCain backing down in Iraq, especially in the interest of bipartisanship.

If I can’t trust John McCain on Taxes, life, defense of marriage, and immigration, why would I feel I could trust him on the War?