Bob Barr to put Georgia, North Carolina in play for Obama?
posted at 9:01 pm on June 4, 2008 by Allahpundit
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All part of his daring master plan to make his name as widely reviled among the right as Ralph Nader’s is among the left.
Polls in Georgia and North Carolina over the last two weeks show Mr. Barr winning 8 percent and 6 percent respectively of the presidential vote, and in both cases helping keep likely Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama within striking distance of Mr. McCain in those states — which, taken together, account for more electoral votes than Florida, Pennsylvania or Ohio…
[InsiderAdvantage pollster Matt] Towery said North Carolina and Georgia are exactly the places that Mr. Barr could put in play: both have high African-American populations that Mr. Obama can tap to boost his turnout numbers, and have conservative-leaning voters whose dissatisfaction with President Bush could lead them to a third-party candidate.
The Georgia poll, taken just before Mr. Barr secured the Libertarian nomination, gave Mr. McCain 45 percent support, Mr. Obama 35 percent and Mr. Barr 8 percent. In North Carolina a Public Policy Polling survey released Monday found Mr. McCain at 43 percent, Mr. Obama at 40 percent and Mr. Barr at 6 percent. The poll’s authors said Mr. Barr’s support appeared to come particularly from independents who previously had broken for Mr. McCain.
I can understand a third-party run if, like Perot, you command a minority so sizable — 20 or 25 percent, say — that the party simply has to address some of its concerns, if not in this election then in the next. A five percent minority doesn’t do that. You can make up that amount elsewhere by doing a better job of mobilizing your base or pandering a bit to other constituencies at the margins. If you’re going to strike at the establishment, in other words, you’d better do it hard enough that the reaction is fear, not anger. How do you think libertarians will be received if this tool hands us President Obama? Exit question: On which issues, precisely, do Barr and Ron Paul propose to compromise with the 95% of Republicans who aren’t voting for them? They’re each trying to bring the GOP around to more libertarian positions, Barr by spoiling McCain’s chances and Paul by trying to work within the party for now and land a role at the convention. Surely they understand that there’ll be some give and take involved in reaching an accommodation with more centrist/hawkish conservatives. Yet Paul’s philosophy, in which every last position is presented as the one and only acceptable constitutional solution, makes that impossible. You have to do exactly what he wants, because that’s what the Constitution wants and there can be no compromise where the supreme law of the land is concerned. So how does this play out? If the GOP decides, sure, let’s give the gold standard a second look, what does America’s Greatest Patriot give back?
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I am not going to allow anything. I am going to vote for the only candidate who represents my beliefs. If McCain was that candidate, then I would vote for him. He is not even close. You should vote for McCain. I am sure that if he gets elected, he will see the light and go conservative. He will know that conservative principles and ideas are what gets Republicans elected and will change his stance on global warming, immigration, the growth of government, and campaign finance.
Is there anything that the Republicans could do to lose your vote?
King of the Britons on June 5, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I’d rather attack Stalingrad in winter than follow McCain to attack Pearl Harbor on December sixth, get there before the Japanese and claim the moral high ground.
That’s what McCain has always done. He finds some crappy idea, and embraces it and makes it the “moderate Republican” issue de jour. Campaign Finance Reform, Amnesty, and all the rest. Then he runs with them.
So no matter how badly his ideas have worked out in the past, or how ineffective we’ve been in stopping them once and for all, we want to give this jackass more power? Which one of us is crazy.
If someone is going to attack Pearl Harbor, it won’t be me. I’ll let the Japanese bomb the base. I’ll let the Democrats be Liberals. I’m not going to run left and try and beat them to all the good socialist ideals before they get there. That’s what McCain is doing. That is what I’m being told is what we have to do to win this November.
“We can’t get into World War II until Pearl Harbor is Bombed, so let’s have our own side bomb it, then we can get into the war.”
That is the argument we are making with Carbon cap and trade. Amnesty, and the McCain Taxation plans. We’re going to win by being better Liberals than the Democrats?
Snake307 on June 5, 2008 at 12:36 PM
WTF?
Squid Shark on June 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM
What the simpler tax rate he took from Rudy?
Squid Shark on June 5, 2008 at 12:39 PM
I applaud your comment. Our elected representatives are elected by, and represent, We the People. Politicians can never take your vote for granted, and have to earn your trust and your vote.
McCain may say he “gets it”, but he doesn’t.
Huckabee “gets it”.
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Global Warming policies that will destroy the economy. Allowing foreign opinion to guide US Policy. Blaming the Rich for being Rich. Remember that McCain voted against the tax cuts because it was too generous to the rich.
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens. Restrictions on Free Expression, and the types of cars we can drive, and environmentalist wacko policies. The only difference is one I don’t believe, and that’s Iraq. I don’t think Obama will pull the troops out on day one, and I don’t think McCain is in for the fight no matter what the public opinion polls do.
So the only difference is health care, and Iraq. I don’t think Obama will get Health care without a fight, and it will be tough to get all the Disparate Liberal groups into it without so many add ons that even they would blanch.
So what will we get with either an Obama or McCain presidency? Environmental policy that will destroy the economy. If they’re bombing the economy, why should I be so all fired up excited about leading the bombing wave?
Snake307 on June 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Clearly, three = many…
Squid Shark on June 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Dont worry the Holy Ghost Power will open our eyes.
Squid Shark on June 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Very good. I agree it is an imperfect analogy.
However, I suspect that since many people call themselves “conservatives,” but mean different things by it, that McCain will get many of “their” votes– even if you would not classify them as conservatives in the way you are.
JiangxiDad on June 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM
So, you vote to express yourself, not to actually effect anything. That will come as great comfort to the infant born alive who is being smothered by the abortionist.
The GOP could possibly loose my vote. But not now, not when we are at war, not when they are up against such a socialist as Obama.
They could lose it, but I refuse to just surrender it.
29Victor on June 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM
The one who wants to give more power to the other side, thinking it will win the war.
29Victor on June 5, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Thank you for your kind words.
My point is that these dark skinned Christians who vote for an abortion-supporting Democrat are mentally enslaved by the Democratic Socialist Plantation Mentality. If we help them to have eyes to see the spiritual darkness prevalent in the Demoncrat party, many of them will vote Republican, in agreement with their spiritual values.
But, as Mike Huckabee wisely pointed out, if the Republicans refuse to run on these issues, and the Democrats run as pro-live (as the “Blue Dog Democrats” did), the Republicans will lose, just as they have in the last three special elections.
Huckabee is a Reagan Republican. Many of you don’t have eyes to see that yet, but you will.
McCain, whether intentionally Socialist or just a “useful idiot”, is trying to “Defeat the Ultra-Right”.
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Sounds like you’re calling for a new political alliance between the AA community and the evangelical community (just using the familiar names for each group.)
In what areas are those two groups similar and dissimilar?
Are there enough similarities to make a marriage?
Now that would certainly shake up the political parties!
JiangxiDad on June 5, 2008 at 1:10 PM
So, I guess that the fact that there are still abortions being performed after the Republicans controlled the House, the Senate, and the Presidency for six years is just my imagination? But they still have your vote.
King of the Britons on June 5, 2008 at 1:16 PM
I didn’t leave the Republican Party- the GOP left me.
You call Obama a socialist but, friend, when it comes to virtually every issue but the war McCain holds virtually the same views as Obama. I’d like to know how you can look at a potential McCain presidency and not see the same dire results.
There are reasons to vote for McCain including experience but that doesn’t mean he is any better than Obama. For all his support of the war, McCain has run a bitter vindictive feud with the DOD over everything from Rumsfeld’s tenure to aircraft contracts which he unwittingly sent overseas in his zeal to punish Boeing. McCain would give us more Souter-like Justices on the SCOTUS which is better than Ginsberg but not the strict contructionist jurists we need. McCain is calling for bigger government, more taxes on personal wealth, and enactment of the business-crushing
Kyoto Protocol. Etc.
Again, there are reasons why one would vote for McCain but let’s not pretend that he is a conservative, holds conservative principles, or would lead this nation any better than the Democrats. Barak Obama is wrong in calling McCain the third Bush term. Electing John McCain would give us the third Clinton term while electing Obama would give us the second Carter term. Either way we are screwed.
highhopes on June 5, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Donald Lutz and Charles Hyneman reviewed an estimated 15,000 items with explicit political content printed between 1760 and 1805 and from these items they identified 3,154 references to other sources.
The source most often quoted was the Bible.
American Political Writing During the Founding Era, 1760-1805
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Oh god where will it end?
Same old boring people, with the same old boring “faux conservative” values, with the same old boring reasons, with the same old stupidity why they are not going to vote for McCain.
Who cares. You are irrelevant. You have always been irrelevant. Your political poseur ideas are infantile. You have never elected anyone. You are akin to the rooster that thinks he causes the sun to rise. Please stay home on election night, the lines will be shorter for the adults.
McCain may be elected, as all candidates are, by the independents, and the last thing independents do is listen to the trolly tripe you practice your typing with.
God I hope McCain gets elected so he can drive you further around the bend. If I didn’t find Hillary so repugnant I almost wish he would pick her as VP just to f’k with your heads some more.
patrick neid on June 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM
For example, the concept of our three branches of government comes from:
Judge ==> Judicial Branch
Lawgiver ==> Legislative Branch
King ==> Executive Branch
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM
If you self-righteous, unrealistic, and unreasonable traitor scum don’t vote for McCain or Hillary or whoever the GOP puts up for election this year, we’re all going to die and Ahmajihadi will take over America and the country will be destroyed forever and ever and ever — just like it was with Clinton and Carter and LBJ and Kennedy!
Plus, you’re childish.
Mike H on June 5, 2008 at 1:24 PM
McCain and Obama aren’t the same on taxes, that’s just a silly comment. They also differ on gay rights, government spending, the War in Iraq (in fact, the entire War on Terror), activist judges and McCain voted against Kyoto and is still against it.
And McCain fought against Rumsfeld because Rumsfeld was wrong. It’s a good thing that McCain opposed him. When Rummy left and we began doing things the way McCain said that we should, the war began going a whole lot better.
I’m no huge fan of McCain, and some of his positions have me worried, but to say that there is no difference between him and Obama is insane.
29Victor on June 5, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Bob Barr and others taking such approaches is why the Right-wing in America is losing. Everyone has their own positions, and demands near-perfect adherence from “their side’s” candidate. It does no good to “get your issues out there,” if it destroys the country you are trying to help. Stop being so damn self-centered, foolish, and ideologically selfish, and start doing what will do the most good. And yes, if “voting your conscience” leads to Hussein and his destruction of the country, it is indeed selfish.
It’s Hussein, the Black nationalist Socialist terror-supporting [INSERT YOUR INSULT HERE], or it’s McCain, who is at the very least “not as bad” on every single issue.
Now, please think about this part, and set aside selfish, “Me Generation” desires for instant gratification: If McCain wins, all your issues have at least a chance at being handled down the road. The damage he might do would not be irreversible. If it’s Hussein, however, it’s over. International treaties, gun restrictions and possibly confiscations, PC enforcement driving down dissent and corrupting our youth, the destruction of American world hegemony and betrayal of allies and loss of international credibility. In essence, a fundamental shift in the American spirit, status and condition.
If Hussein wins, it will not be the same country.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 1:28 PM
patrick neid on June 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Well said.
29Victor on June 5, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 1:28 PM
also, well said.
29Victor on June 5, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Third parties get the wrong party elected.
right2bright on June 5, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Last major third party movement got the Budget balanced.
Romeo13 on June 5, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Oh Look! The first McCain Moonbat of the season!
highhopes on June 5, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Many people are members of both groups. They are Christians who happen to have dark skin, and who have been born and raised inside the Democrat Matrix. They’ve never known anything different.
I believe Mike Huckabee will help us appeal to those voters, and we are going to be extracting a lot of them out of the Matrix this election season.
Indeed.
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Huh?
29Victor on June 5, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Israel’s Rejection Not Total and Not Final
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 1:49 PM
No it isn’t McCain was against the Bush tax cuts and has only changed his position for campaign purposes. Nevertheless, if you look at his proposals, all that extra spending is going have to come somewhere and it isn’t by smaller more efficient government!
Oh really? McCain was very evasive when he was asked about gay marriage on Ellen DeGeneres’ show. Why do you suppose that he didn’t give the right answer that marriage is a covenant between a man and woman?
Wrong, friend, he just came out and said we needed Kyoto to prevent global warming. That he buys into this junk science is bad enough!
We are going have to disagree here. McCain was a vindictive SOB whose gripes against Rumsfeld were largely due to the transformation initiatives that bit McCain’s backers in the defense industry in their pork-laden backsides. Also, there are ways to be critical without the armchair quarterbacking in the media McCain did in lieu of working WITH the administration. And one final note here, it was the military officers on the ground, not McCain that is responsible for success- you demean the troops by giving all the credit to cranky old bastard.
Then color me insane.
highhopes on June 5, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Basic history. A balanced budget was not even on the mind of either political party until the Reform party and Perot came onto the scene. HE made it a major campaign issue, and by getting a significant percentage of the vote, caused BOTH parties to sit up and take notice.
End result, balanced budget.
Notice, as soon as the reform party was no longer a threat to the existing Two party power structure, the balancing of the budget was no longer an issue, and we have not had a balanced budget since… even with a Republican House, Senate, and President.
Romeo13 on June 5, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Hmm, so if I don’t want to vote for McCain, you’ll insult and condescend until I will?
Ok, I’ll let you know when the insulting condescending attitude has changed my mind.
…
Keep going guys, you’ll need to be both more insulting and condescending I guess, I’m still not supporting or voting for McCain.
By all means, don’t try to persuade me that McCain will do anything good, or that there are any benefits to electing McCain. Just scare me with claims of what Obama will do (ignoring Congress in the process, and pretend Obama will get to do everything he wants).
And definitely call me names and talk down to me; just like McCain does when conservatives disagree with him. that’s got to be a winning strategy, so please stick with it.
gekkobear on June 5, 2008 at 2:00 PM
How on earth is not voting for Juan McVain giving up on the democratic process? Is Juan Mcvain some kind of anointed one?
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:03 PM
and you can also add in…
McCain is on the Military Appropriations Commitee… the commitee that has to do with the military.
The SIZE of the military is dictated by law.
McCain, in his last speech complained that the military was smaller than during Desert Storm, even though we have been at war for years…
So, we have McCain complaining that HE didn’t do his job!
Romeo13 on June 5, 2008 at 2:07 PM
HAHAHAHHAAHHAHAAHHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh, your being serious
Squid Shark on June 5, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Racists who want to vote for or against a candidate because of that candidate’s skin color are a lost cause unless they gain spiritual eyes to see that we are all one human race.
However, people who are able to look beyond skin color and evaluate the content of candidates’ character will be looking for a candidate who most closely aligns with their values. For many Christians (not all, but many) that candidate is Mike Huckabee.
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 2:12 PM
I am at a loss to figure out how you equate not voting for McCain to , “To hell with the country”.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:12 PM
I’m not calling you a hopeless romantic, merely an unrealistic one. And that you now say you don’t need a Reagan seems to torpedo the entire “Let Obama Win So We Can Get A Real Conservative” strategy.
As for the prospects two or three tiers down…who? Keep in mind Reagan had 20+ years as a voice of conservatism and the GOP, in addition to two terms as a successful governor of a major state before he ran for the Republican nomination against Ford. He was known both inside the party and out. Who currently has that kind of cred that would allow me to simply shake off a President Obama? Jindal? Please. Palin? Not even close.
I’m also not playing doom or gloom. But I am saying that if the calculus is that letting Obama into the White House will somehow revive the GOP after his first term, then it’s a flawed strategy.
Look…I know Libertarians like to stand in the wheelhouse of the SS Principle and make like the noble defenders of the gate. But this is reality we’re talking about. In my opinion, a vote for Barr is more about the person casting the vote than it is for whom it is cast.
JohnTant on June 5, 2008 at 2:18 PM
One day, a man named John McCain looked around at the senate where he was a long time senator and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through caucuses and primaries. He climbed over some candidates and went around others until he reached the Republican nomination.
The coming Presidential race would be a tough one, and so John McCain stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn’t see any way to win on his own. So he thought that he would probably lose.Suddenly, he saw some naive conservatives blogging at a conservative web site. He decided to ask them for help in winning the election. “Would you be so kind, my friends, as to give me a hand in winning the election?”
“Well now, Senator McCain! How do we know that if we help you, you wont betray us?” asked the conservatives hesitantly.
“Because,” senator McCain replied, “If I betray you, then I would fail too, for you see I cannot govern without your support!”
Now this seemed to make some sense to the conservatives. But they asked. “What about when you get close to being elected? You could still start to betray us and might still win anyway!”
“This is true,” agreed senator McCain, “But I might well not be able to get enough conservative turnout to win the presidency!”
“Alright then…how do we know you wont just wait till you get elected and then betray us?” said the conservatives.
“Ahh…,” crooned senator McCain, “Because you see, once you’ve helped to make me president, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with betrayal, now would it?”
So the conservatives agreed to take help senator McCain get elected president. He edged out Barak Obama in a nail-bitting race and was inaugurated in January of the year 2009. Now president McCain immediately got a democratic majority in congress to enact full amnesty for all illegals in the United States and all of their relatives. He also nominated Hillary Clinton to the U.S. Supreme court along with Senator Teddy Kennedy’s wife. Both were confirmed.
.
“You fool!” croaked the conservatives, “You have betrayed us and you will never get a second term. Why on earth did you do that?”
Now president McCain shrugged and snickered and did a little jig…. and said “My friends”
“I could not help myself. It is my nature.”
- HT to INC for the idea
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:18 PM
gekkobear on June 5, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Uh, yeah, Congress. Let’s see:
Democrats in control of both houses, with, frankly, a likelihood of increasing that control, possibly to a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.
Hussein claiming a “mandate for change” from the American people.
The stronger vote-whipping of the Dems.
“White Liberal Guilt” and a fear of racism accusations for opposing Hussein with any degree of intensity.
If the Congress was better off, there might be an argument for the “protest vote” and letting Hussein in.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 2:18 PM
The scorpion is not the only threat we face. There are poisonous creatures of all kinds lurking–some worse. What are your plans for when you face one?
JiangxiDad on June 5, 2008 at 2:21 PM
I’d take it a step further and suggest that McCain as a US Senator has no business trying to play armchair general by his constant sniping at the DOD when he knows full well that they can’t snipe back.
highhopes on June 5, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Talk about going over the bend.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:26 PM
It’s all part of the same riff from McCain supporters. There are three parts to the riff:
First, we need to vote for McCain because we are at war and he was a POW so he is the only person on the face of the planet with the ability to lead a nation in wartime.
Second, we need to vote for McCain because he’s better than the alternative. (i.e. a vote for McCain is a vote against Obama).
Finally, if you don’t vote for McCain you don’t care about the country because McCain brand socialism is superior to Obama brand marxism. And, for the kicker, if you don’t agree with any of the above then you are just a “whiner” who needs to get over it and shut up about criticism of McCain.
highhopes on June 5, 2008 at 2:27 PM
You nailed them. Do they realize it? Probably not.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:28 PM
highhopes on June 5, 2008 at 2:27 PM
Actually, that about sums it up. Unfortunate points, but true ones nonetheless.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 2:28 PM
What is Bob Barr famous for:
Licking whipped cream off some strippers chest at a public event?
OK.
You can write off Barr.
The only way a third party can win is if the evangelicals move to that third party in huge numbers.
Not going to happen with Barr.
Might happen with the constitution party though.
But it will never happen with the LIBERALtaraians.
http://www.baldwihttp://events.yahoo.com/summer06n2008.com
SaintOlaf on June 5, 2008 at 2:30 PM
I’ll cross that McBridge when and if I come to it. Right now I have got a scorpion trying to bite my a$$.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:34 PM
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Self-centered (”I”, not “We”) and short-sighted in the extreme. “Right now” you have a scorpion and an alligator trying to bite you. Taking your chances with a scorpion sounds better than the alternative.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 2:38 PM
JiangxiDad on June 5, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Come on Dobson…pull out the Chuck Baldwin endorsement!
By the time we get to the convention..there will be such an uproar that it will force a brokered convention and after the re-votes….Red Pill gets his wish.
Huckabee/Hunter 2008
SaintOlaf on June 5, 2008 at 2:46 PM
I don’t presume to speak for other folks.
Electing Juan McVain is short sighted and you seem to be admiting that you also think that he is a scorpion.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:49 PM
I’m glad that I have no impact as a mere Conservative, because the twenty percent or so of “Independents” will decide this election. Cool. As purely anecdotal evidence, I offer five friends at work who before the Georgia Primary were discussing with yours truly who they should vote for.
I offered my opinions on several, and two of them picked Huckabee, who won the Georgia Primary. Two picked Romney, and one picked Clinton, since he figured she did OK running the country while Bill was chasing skirts and had a clue what was going on. The two who picked Romney, were also with me in supporting Herman Cain during his Senate Run, were wearing Obama T-Shirts this last week at work. The Huckabee supporters were trying to convince themselves that McCain was really not too bad a choice, trying and mostly failing. The Clinton supporter is still a Clinton supporter.
So out of the six of us, you have three who supported Herman Cain’s run for the Senate Seat in Georgia, conservative values and all of that. Five of us voted for Bush in 04, and so far, two of us are looking at supporting McCain this year.
Obama hasn’t been campaigning against McCain, and is still at best, even or within the margin of error in polling. Sure, it’s still early, and perhaps America will wake up and see what a great candidate McCain is. Probably not, since my Father who voted for Reagan both times said McCain might as well be Bush III. He doesn’t like any of the candidates, but said he wouldn’t vote for McCain, because he’s an asshole.
So you think you can win without the twenty percent of the population who is Conservative? Get Out The Vote doesn’t matter, McCain is going to win because you say so? Fine, I’ll play that game.
I bet that Obama picks some white Southerner to be his VP, not Hillary, and puts the south into play against McCain. All of a sudden, you’ll see McCain try and pander to the south, yet it won’t work.
I think Obama can win North Carolina and Georgia. I’m willing to bet he can pick up at least two or even three southern states. States McCain is going to need to win. What will McCain get in return? Will he win New York? Nope. Pennsylvania? I doubt it. Ohio? Perhaps, but not guaranteed.
Do you think the Conservatives are going to turn out in mass for McCain? Do you thin the Independents will be enough to put him over the top? Do you really think he can get enough Democratic defectors to win?
I think McCain is going to lose, and here’s why. I think the Hillary supporters who are for now, up in arms, will fall back in with Obama when he picks some southerner to be his running mate. Especially if he promises to give Hillary a ton of input on health care or some such thing.
Snake307 on June 5, 2008 at 2:52 PM
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Just using your analogy. And the point remains: It is short-sighted to keep McCain out by letting a terrorist sympathizing Black nationalist in. With McCain, there is a chance. With Hussein and the Democrat Congress, it’s over.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 2:53 PM
“What’s this?” thought John McCain. “I can feel nothing warmer at all! That is terrible. Am I stupid? Am I a flat-earther? Am I a denier? Am I not fit to be President? That would be the most dreadful thing that could happen to me. “Oh, it is very hot!” McCain said aloud. “It has my highest approbation.” And McCain nodded in a contented way, and gazed outside, for he would not say that he felt no Global Warming. The whole entourage that he had with him looked and looked, and felt no warming, any more than the rest; but, like John McCain, they said, “It is so warm!” and counseled him to always say that he felt warm when he was out in public. “It is warm, hot even!” went from mouth to mouth. On all sides there seemed to be general warming, and John McCain gave Al Gore the title of Imperial Master of Global Warming Science.
So John McCain went in procession, and every one in the streets said, “How incomparable warm it is! What a warm day it is!” No one would let it be perceived that he could not feel warming, for that would have shown that he was not fit for his office, or was very stupid or a flat-earther or a denier. No day of John McCain’s had ever been as warm as this one.
“But I’m freezing my a$$ off out here!” a little child cried out at last. “Just hear what that innocent says!” said the father: and one whispered to another what the child had said. “But it is cold out here!” said the whole people at length. That touched John McCain, for it seemed to him that they were right; but the thought within himself, “I must go through with feeling all the Global Warming.” And so he held himself a little higher, and his aides held on tighter than ever, and proclaimed the Global Warming which did not exist at all.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:53 PM
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:53 PM
And Hussein would be better?
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Gekkobear,
Forgive me if you misunderstood me. Let me try to be very clear about this. I am not trying to convince you to vote for McCain. Nor am I trying to convince, with a quick glance, Snake, highopes, romeo, mb4 and several other probable trolls that say the same thing on every thread.
To be clear, I post occasionally on matters McCain who wasn’t even on my long list, to mock the above mentioned for being imbeciles. Long ago I made a point of never discussing anything with ideologues. They are not to be changed.
so to repeat:
“Who cares. You are irrelevant. You have always been irrelevant. Your political poseur ideas are infantile. You have never elected anyone. You are akin to the rooster that thinks he causes the sun to rise. Please stay home on election night, the lines will be shorter for the adults.”
The one thing I can tell you with absolute certainty is whatever candidate you like or they like will never ever be elected. Not now or ever in the future. The world has moved way beyond your petty “I want this” demands. In fact the reason Obama may get elected is because of folks just like you jumping up and down in the playpen never really doing anything except pissing and moaning.
You doubt me? Read this thread and the countless that came before. Trust me when I tell you this–you have no redeeming political value. It’s all in your imagination. At best you offer someone such as myself the opportunity to practice my typing skills–one finger at a time of course!
patrick neid on June 5, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Maybe you could get in touch with McCain and convince him to call a press conference and have him say that Barak Obama is “a terrorist sympathizing Black nationalist”.
Then it really would be over.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Interesting. I also think Dems will largely fall in line, except for some of the Jewish vote.
Why can’t McCain pick the right southerner?
If GA and/or NC is so black and Democrat that they become permanent blue states, so be it. Our population is what it is, and the consequences are what they are.
I still think it’s McCain’s to lose. As you say, he just might.
JiangxiDad on June 5, 2008 at 3:00 PM
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 2:57 PM
So, you who are would rather have Hussein over McCain want us to deny the truth for political expediency. Interesting.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 3:00 PM
A torrent of vacuousness.
Heavens to Mercatroid, can’t you do any better?
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Nice story. Read it before. I said he is now claiming to be “against” it.
Is he lying, or looking for a graceful way out of his former position, or doesn’t really give a damn in reality as long as he’s elected?
JiangxiDad on June 5, 2008 at 3:05 PM
You are assuming “facts” not in evidence. Interesting.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 3:05 PM
You already know my take.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 3:06 PM
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 3:05 PM
You just lost all credibility.
1. Hangs with the Weather Underground.
2. Was member of TUCC for 20 years, and believes its teachings are “mainstream.”
3. Has Jihadist relatives he won’t disown.
4. Wouldn’t wear an American flag or render proper honors during the Pledge of Allegiance, but will wear the garb of our enemies.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 3:08 PM
And that is why some dark skinned Christians will see Obama for the fraud that he is, and they will vote Republican in Nov.
Alternatively, if Hillary makes Barack’s last name “Foster”, then those voters will vote Republican in even bigger numbers because there is no way they would reward Hillary for doing so.
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Correction to 4: During the National Anthem.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Yes. Sorry. You said so. I don’t know if he’s lying, but I don’t trust him so it doesn’t really matter. I am going to vote for him. Sad.
JiangxiDad on June 5, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Vacuous.
OK, iIf you feel so confident of all that, then get McCain to hold a press conference and say it. Otherwise… …
BTW, I don’t wear a flag pin and you are not going to get very far with that one. You should have left it out as not everyone wears things on their sleeve.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 3:18 PM
We all do what we got to do.
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 3:20 PM
MB4 on June 5, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Ah, but if McCain said it, the MSM would roast him and force White Liberal Guilt. So, unfortunately, it’s up to us to tell it as it is.
Now, if you have don’t believe that little bit of evidence, fine. Just show where it’s wrong.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Lol. Mccain has become Hillary Clinton. “I support both sides of every issue”.
It’s a dark day when us republicans are rooting for the pagan, wiccan queen Hillary, in order to prevent the nation of islam black nationalist racist from winning.
If anyone here considers themselves conservative..you have no excuse for not voting Chuck Baldwin.
There is a conservative candidate running this year.
Christians and conservatives…let’s take over the Constitution party!
If the republican party sells us out to appease the liberals…why should they be able to count on our vote?
SaintOlaf on June 5, 2008 at 3:23 PM
I had to lookup Chuck Baldwin. I honestly didn’t know who he was prior to that.
I personally think that it will be the Ron Paul supporters, not Dobson, who will force a brokered convention. I don’t know how they’ll do it, but I know they’re up to something. Personally, I commend them for it. All of you that think we are “stuck” with McCain will be (or should be) thankful if they are successful. You can be assured that a brokered convention would result in a better candidate…even if that candidate were still McCain. Why? Because he would be forced to make concessions to conservatives. Maybe like committing to Sessions’ Immigration Plan.
I think Huckabee/Steele is a winning ticket.
(I originally thought Huckabee/Thompson, but Thompson was revealed to be a McCain stalking horse and Thompson thinks Life is a state’s rights issue, not an unalienable God-given right.)
Steele will also help be a Morpheus and help dark-skinned Neo’s choose the Red Pill over the Blue Pill.
Kind of interesting that Republicans are the Red Pill Party, and Democrats are the Blue Pill Party.
:-)
Red Pill on June 5, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Bwa haa haa… and you accuse ME of being a TROLL???
Wow, just wow…
Intersting that in one thread we’re accuased of throwing the election… and now we’re accused of not mattering…
That logic overwhelms me…
Buh by!
Romeo13 on June 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Yes, but you see the Ron Paul supporters are already backing Chuck Baldwin and the evangelical leaders have been threatening to also.
If the evangelicals go constitution party..Mccain is finished and he knows it.
If Evangelicals,Ron Paul supporters and dissatisfied conservatives move to the constitution party…Barr’s supporters and others interested in voting third party will also go to Baldwin after they realize there is a viable third party for the first time!
With Huckabee and Ron Paul supporters grassroots campaigning and fundraising we could actually win this election despite the bolshevik media attempts to determine the outcome.
SaintOlaf on June 5, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Paul doesn’t have enough Republican supporters to force a brokered convention…mainly because such things are not dependent upon spammed text message polls and a blimp.
JohnTant on June 5, 2008 at 3:57 PM
I thought Thomas Sowell put it nicely. In reference to Iran getting nukes and related matters…
From http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/tsowell/2008/ts_06051.shtml
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 4:15 PM
I can’t imagine living a life so jaded and resigned as patrick neid.
And people like you Patty have never changed anything either. People like you would have NEVER voted to break from King George nor ever fought against him. People like you are sad and pathetic and are destined for chains. I thank God everyday that I am not a person like you.
King of the Britons on June 5, 2008 at 4:18 PM
King of the Britons on June 5, 2008 at 4:18 PM
The Founding Fathers believed they had a shot at winning when they signed the Declaration of Independence. A third-party candidate has no shot this year. They were not acting in some self-indulgent “protest.” They were acting in the context of reality.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 4:23 PM
I think you’ve watched those movies enough ;-)
LimeyGeek on June 5, 2008 at 4:28 PM
So, what you are saying is that no one should ever vote for anyone other than a Republican or a Democrat because realistically, unless some sort of cataclysmic change occurs, no third party candidate will ever win. And with that, we should vote for whatever Crap-tastic candidate that the GOP trots out, because otherwise, a Democrat could win.
Do you work for the GOP? It sounds like a strategy that they may use this fall.
Blame people like me all that you want, but it is not me with whom you should be angry. What will it take for you to leave the GOP? Is there anything that they could do to lose you or are you a loyal lemming to the end?
King of the Britons on June 5, 2008 at 4:35 PM
I used to be one of the ‘absent’ voter crowd, but after watching things develop it is clear to me that not voting for McCain is the strategically unsound thing to do.
With Congress looking like tipping even further toward the Democrats, it is imperative we have a Republican in the WH to veto the liberal flood.
Fixing this horrible mess will require reform from the local level upwards. That means hard work. Something that many blowhard bloggers fail at.
LimeyGeek on June 5, 2008 at 4:43 PM
King of the Britons on June 5, 2008 at 4:35 PM
I love how people like you reach to extremes, make stupid accusations, then get all uppity in your principles. But in this case, you are correct. That is something called REALITY. Come out of your immature fantasy world and deal with the problems.
Yes, I’ll blame people like you if that BLACK NATIONALIST TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER gets into office. You all will have chosen to put him there in your actions.
You are half-right in your assessment of who to blame. The people at fault are those who are so self-indulgent they have refused to act over the last several decades. They are so devoted to they faith, their family, their finances, and their fun that they won’t sacrifice that self-indulgence just a little bit in order to secure that blessing of liberty.
Then too many of them (only you know if you fall into this category–I make no assertions one way or the other) look at the situation they laziness, self-centeredness, and selfishness have led to, and get all hissy over the situation. Then in that same selfishness, they get all self-righteous, demand things suddenly and immediately be set right, and then act out of emotion and indignation rather than intellect and reason. In their anger at the situation which they themselves help create, they cut off their own nose to spite their face.
As for the GOP, I left that party a long time ago. They are too Left-wing for me.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 4:47 PM
LimeyGeek on June 5, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Simply correct.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Where did all these trolls come from? I think us “norms” (good one, 29Victor) are outnumbered here by Huckatrolls (you know who you are… God told me to vote for Huckabee…gimmie a break!) and PaulBots (I guess they’re BarrBots now). People that A) don’t give a rat’s ass about the war on terror and B) would rather let the most liberal Senator in America bring wide spread socialism across the country than have a liberal/moderate Republican attempt to bring a taste of socialism (which will be fought every step of the way by both the Republicans and Democrats, as they are against anything a Republican comes up with). And stop calling yourselves “conservatives”. Conservatives care about the country, and while we’re upset that McCain is the nominee, won’t allow Obama to take over. We care about defending our nation and wouldn’t let a oblivious fool like Barr or Baldwin get anywhere near the White House. They’ve both fought conservatives every step of the way on issues relating to the war on terror, with the exception of Barr, who used to be with us but flipped on everything to be the LP nominee. One last thing….you bit*h so much about McCain’s amnesty plan (and rightfully so) but it seems that you don’t mind when it’s Obama giving out the amnesty. And Obama gives it in MUCH greater doses. So, yeah, vote for Barr or Baldwin or some other 3rd party nobody. Just take your socialist terrorist appeaser Obama like a man and don’t come bit*hing to me when the country falls apart.
malan89 on June 5, 2008 at 4:54 PM
What stupid accusation did I make? What other conclusion can one come to when you say:
No third party candidate has a chance this year, true. But under what circumstance does third party candidate have a chance in ANY year? So in essence, what you are saying is that one must always vote for the Republican or Democrat, because there will never be a viable third party candidate.
I can only assume that you are not a Democrat because they are further left than the Republicans. So, what you are saying is that you left the Republican party years ago because they no longer represent your views, yet you still vote for them. Are you stupid or a coward?
King of the Britons on June 5, 2008 at 4:56 PM
I’m sorry. Conservatives care about the safety of our country. We WON’T vote for a tool like Baldwin. Come up with an actual conservative third party candidate that has a realistic chance of winning (I want poll data) and I’ll vote for that person. Until then, I’m going to stand in the way of Barack Obama and hold my nose to vote for McCain.
malan89 on June 5, 2008 at 4:58 PM
malan89 on June 5, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Excellent.
Your point about “caring for the country”: Too many on the Right seem like they are stuck in the 1970’s “Me Generation”–they only care about themselves. And in that selfishness, they put themselves in danger of losing what they have, whether it be to Jihadists or PC police.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 4:59 PM
I only consider myself to be an American. Period.
I leave the squabbling over collective labels to the monkeys
LimeyGeek on June 5, 2008 at 5:01 PM
King of the Britons on June 5, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Your stupid accusation was that I work for the GOP.
As for your personal insult, you fu*king fool, I still vote for them because the only alternatives are loss of the country or a rebellion.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Oops. Clicked the wrong button!
To finish: If we lose the country (rebellion seems like a bad idea right now), how can we ever restore it. Right now, the Right is on the defensive. Only by holding the line in Washington and, as LimeyGeek said, working for “reform from the local level upwards,” can we hope to obtain that restoration.
Tommygun on June 5, 2008 at 5:07 PM
The question about you working for the GOP was a joke. I am not surprised that you didn’t recognize it, as it seems you are quite up tight. If you still vote for the Republican, why did you leave the party? Something had to make you leave. If that something was that they no longer represent your views then you should have the strength of your convictions and not vote for them. To vote for them is cowardly. If you continue to vote for them, then why leave the party? As some sort of “self-indulgent “protest.”?
King of the Britons on June 5, 2008 at 5:09 PM
He’s showing courage by voting AGAINST Barack Obama, the socialist terrorist appeaser instead of engaging in juvenile, meaningless protest votes.
malan89 on June 5, 2008 at 5:17 PM
the operative words being “right now.”
JiangxiDad on June 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM
So I’m a troll, along with the others eh? I started my blog in 2006, and at the time, was arguing against Illegal Immigration. I argued against Republicans then, because they were not being conservative.
http://maxconservative.blogspot.com/2006/05/congress-up-for-control.html
This was from the post linked above. As you can see, I’ve been consistent in my opposition to the elitist mentality that too many Republicans were getting into. They started to believe that they deserved their offices, they weren’t trying to earn it anymore.
Now, my beliefs consistantly stated, make me a troll. Fine, I don’t mind. Call me names, after all the great nominee John McCain called me Racist for denouncing Illegal Immigration. As a conservative, I’m getting used to being called names, especially from the Moderates who denounce principals and ideals which someone has the audacity to actually stay true too. Apparently, I’m too stupid to realize the realpolitik era.
Fine, I’m not insulted. I was one of the first people to have an account here, before I started to blog, which is why my usual handle of snake307 is used instead of Max Conservative. But I’m discounted as a johnny come lately troll, as if I just hopped over from Huffington Post to mess with you all. Keep believing that, because if you do, then the predicted defeat in November will be easier for you to create some grand conspiracy about. Perhaps you’ll blame Diebold for stealing the election, no ones done that before. LOL
Conservative ideals have been time tested, proven time and time again. Conservative ideals work, and most people know that. If you take the time to explain those simple ideals, those simple principals, you’ll convert many of the so called Moderates into Conservatives. Of course, when you do, they don’t like John the Maverick McCain. So I guess you shouldn’t try and educate those around you to understand and grasp the conservative principals. At least not until after the election. If you do educate them on the principal of less Government, less interference, then they’ll wonder why we picked McCain, and won’t vote for him.
Snake307 on June 5, 2008 at 5:24 PM
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