Bob Barr to put Georgia, North Carolina in play for Obama?
posted at 9:01 pm on June 4, 2008 by Allahpundit
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All part of his daring master plan to make his name as widely reviled among the right as Ralph Nader’s is among the left.
Polls in Georgia and North Carolina over the last two weeks show Mr. Barr winning 8 percent and 6 percent respectively of the presidential vote, and in both cases helping keep likely Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama within striking distance of Mr. McCain in those states — which, taken together, account for more electoral votes than Florida, Pennsylvania or Ohio…
[InsiderAdvantage pollster Matt] Towery said North Carolina and Georgia are exactly the places that Mr. Barr could put in play: both have high African-American populations that Mr. Obama can tap to boost his turnout numbers, and have conservative-leaning voters whose dissatisfaction with President Bush could lead them to a third-party candidate.
The Georgia poll, taken just before Mr. Barr secured the Libertarian nomination, gave Mr. McCain 45 percent support, Mr. Obama 35 percent and Mr. Barr 8 percent. In North Carolina a Public Policy Polling survey released Monday found Mr. McCain at 43 percent, Mr. Obama at 40 percent and Mr. Barr at 6 percent. The poll’s authors said Mr. Barr’s support appeared to come particularly from independents who previously had broken for Mr. McCain.
I can understand a third-party run if, like Perot, you command a minority so sizable — 20 or 25 percent, say — that the party simply has to address some of its concerns, if not in this election then in the next. A five percent minority doesn’t do that. You can make up that amount elsewhere by doing a better job of mobilizing your base or pandering a bit to other constituencies at the margins. If you’re going to strike at the establishment, in other words, you’d better do it hard enough that the reaction is fear, not anger. How do you think libertarians will be received if this tool hands us President Obama? Exit question: On which issues, precisely, do Barr and Ron Paul propose to compromise with the 95% of Republicans who aren’t voting for them? They’re each trying to bring the GOP around to more libertarian positions, Barr by spoiling McCain’s chances and Paul by trying to work within the party for now and land a role at the convention. Surely they understand that there’ll be some give and take involved in reaching an accommodation with more centrist/hawkish conservatives. Yet Paul’s philosophy, in which every last position is presented as the one and only acceptable constitutional solution, makes that impossible. You have to do exactly what he wants, because that’s what the Constitution wants and there can be no compromise where the supreme law of the land is concerned. So how does this play out? If the GOP decides, sure, let’s give the gold standard a second look, what does America’s Greatest Patriot give back?
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Bob Barr opposes the war in Iraq, but voted for it. He opposes the Patriot Act, but voted for it. He opposes out-of-control spending, but has voted for expensive legislation McCain even opposed.
He’ll force the GOP candidate, who granted isn’t perfect, to lose against the most liberal senator of 2007. If he does so, he and his supporters won’t be feared and listened to. They’ll be hated and shunned.
amerpundit on June 4, 2008 at 9:07 PM
This sounds like the kind of crowd that would “support” a hopeless candidate in a poll, but vote pragmatically on election day.
peski on June 4, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Unlike a Paulnut.
peski on June 4, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Who is that guy? He looks like a bond villain’s …. banker.
wise_man on June 4, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Spoiler? Try traitor.
TheBigOldDog on June 4, 2008 at 9:10 PM
You said it. Most Obama supporters are so stupid and uninformed that you find it hard to “hate” them. You feel sorry for them. But most of the Barr people know what they’re doing. They understand the consequences. And yet they do it anyway. I think hate is the proper term when talking about Barr supporters.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Barr is such a lunatic that he’ll probably shoot himself in the foot and the problem will be solved. At this point, I don’t know that we need to put anymore thought into this.
thuja on June 4, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Say it ain’t so!!!
CP on June 4, 2008 at 9:16 PM
The antecedents of your pronouns — you, you, you — aren’t always clear, AP. But this you I deciphered:
And what makes you think we give a rat’s ass about how we’re “received”?
Put the kibosh on the GOP’s corruption, and on its politics of fear. Both the corruption and the fear are no longer effective.
paul006 on June 4, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Bob Barr, he’s my man
Know nary a thing about him
But with Juan and NoWhereMan the pickings are so slim
I’ll vote for him as fast as I can
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Meh.
It’s wrong to get mad at a person for offering themselves for public office. Unless that person is a liberal.
VolMagic on June 4, 2008 at 9:22 PM
No. Absolutely not.
SouthernGent on June 4, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Barr is a symtom, not a cause.
And calling his supporters “traitors” kind of says all we need to know about where your politics lay… not with freedom of choice, but once more with the We will tell you who you can choose Two Party power system.
I’m not a Barr supporter, but don’t demonize those who do support him, or he may just gain more supporters. Americans are quirky that way.
Romeo13 on June 4, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Good job, tool. You cracked the code.
OneGyT on June 4, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Well said.
Harpazo on June 4, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Off with their heads! Verdict first, trial later.
Sigy on June 4, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Why is it that some self-centered putz always has to mess with an election?
drjohn on June 4, 2008 at 9:27 PM
You don’t care…and that’s the point. You know exactly what an Obama presidency will bring and you know that having Barr in the race increases the chance of Obama winning. You KNOW Obama will surrender to terror. You KNOW Obama will socialize health care. You KNOW Obama will jack up taxes to rates never seen before. You KNOW Obama will increase the overall role of government in citizens’ lives. And you don’t care. Small-government libertarians my ass. I disagree with John McCain on so many issues. But I know he’s strong on security and I know he’ll be less statist than Obama here at home. We can recover from four years of a liberal in the WH, as long as that liberal is strong on defense. What we CAN’T recover from is a President Obama. If we elect him, we may not have a country to have political arguments over. He will surrender to terror. He will weaken our military. He will leave America vulnerable to all its enemies. Shame on you and shame on Congressman Barr.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 9:28 PM
This is exactly why Mccain needs to select Mike Huckabee as his VP nominee..
He’ll lose the south if he doesn’t pick Huckabee.
SaintOlaf on June 4, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Farts and sunshine?
Good Lt on June 4, 2008 at 9:30 PM
You forgot the SC justices issue.
OneGyT on June 4, 2008 at 9:30 PM
I’m sorry, I will get angry at a terrorist appeasement loving, surrenderist if they try to run for the highest office in the land. Our country is too important to hand it over to somebody who will surrender to our enemies.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Two big government libs on the same ticket? That will probably help Barr GET protest votes. Try a conservative. Romney, Jindal, or Sanford will do.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 9:32 PM
This guy is a jerk.
jencab on June 4, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Spoiler? Try traitor.
TheBigOldDog on June 4, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Traitor to what? AMNESTY for Illegal Aliens? If he’s a traitor to that, this is a candidate I can vote for…
DfDeportation on June 4, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Golly and I thought Al Gore’s Apocalyptic Global Warming would be bad.
Is there some kind of contest going on to see who can come up with the scariest doomsday?
Think of the children.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Sort of OT:
My local county commissioner responded to a challenging letter to the editor in our local paper today, and it was five paragraphs long. It was also the most bizarre thing I have ever read. Obamania has taken root even in my off-the-road, ne’er be seen, ne’er heard of area…
I have whittled it down to this (actual quotes):
“When people ask me, I say that whoever runs for the position need to make a strong case for change.”
Two paragraphs later:
“I am not convinced there needs to be a change.”
Someone give me a gun. I must shoot myself.
I would post the thing in its entirety, but it would make all of us ill.
wccawa on June 4, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Seeing as how Barr lost his seat in the house of reps in GA, I’m not terribly concerned by him.
He’s worse on immigration than McCain. He’s on his third marriage. He’s a worse public speaker, and is a total dweeb. He yells about how the Patriot Act is infringing on important civil liberties. Which ones?
North Carolina is home to Ted Sampley and his Kiley partner. Scum. If they lead some kind of McCain defeat in NC, oh well. Their type will find a ranting lunatic like Barr attractive. They deserve each other.
funky chicken on June 4, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Traitor to me and Juan’s Gran Mexico de America del Norte!!!
BTW, aprender espanol.
VinyFoxy on June 4, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Meh. I think enough Republicans will remember 1992 and how well that turned out to resist the temptation of a phony like Barr.
Slublog on June 4, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Hillary-Barr 2004!
Two losers from the past.
Where they belong.
profitsbeard on June 4, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Cool. Vote for Barr. Help Obama get in the WH. He’ll have Ahmadinejad (Shia extremist) and bin Laden (Sunni extremist) on the phone in the first ten minutes. My guess is that AQ will get west of the Mississippi and Iran will take the east coast. It’s the new appeasement foreign policy the Obama State Department has adopted. Go ahead, vote for Barr. I’d suggest going out and getting two things afterwards. A book on sharia law. You’ll need to understand all the new rules we have to follow. That and one of these. You’ll need to speak the language, right?
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Barr is worse on immigration than McCain. The LP platform is terrible on immigration.
If immigration is your argument with McCain, Barr isn’t your guy.
funky chicken on June 4, 2008 at 9:41 PM
I think that you have just left Al Gore in the dust. Congrats.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 9:41 PM
I am a social and evangelical conservative. Bob Barr was why the morons who support McCain think they need to drive the GOP base out of the party in order to make room for the Democrat-lite poltical traitors who are just like McCain.
highhopes on June 4, 2008 at 9:41 PM
In case you missed the news, Juan is supporting Bush’s nation building in sharia Iraq.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Yeah, because Southerners just hate Mark Sanford, Jim DeMint, Bob Riley, and Bobby Jindal. Only Huckabee can help hold the South!
eyeroll
funky chicken on June 4, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Allah, please capitalize the word “libertarian” when appropriate. I consider myself a libertarian conservative, but there’s no way I’d vote for either Bob Barr or Ron Paul. The latter is a whining, little weenie, the former just a bit too creepy for my political tastes.
sondiehl on June 4, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Very Wise Socialist… /sarc
Dawnsblood on June 4, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Show you cards on that. I don’t see how anyone can be worse on that. And it’s ILLEGAL immigration.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Bob “lick whipped cream off a woman’s chest at a public event” Barr is Mr. Christian Evangelical?
Bob “on his third marriage” Barr?
Bob “legalize it” Barr?
funky chicken on June 4, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Those Butty boy glasses have to go.
TheSitRep on June 4, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Hello! Earth to Juan apologists. If Juan McVain loses to Obama it will be on him and his supporters.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Who??
Only hardcore political junkies know who they are.
SaintOlaf on June 4, 2008 at 9:47 PM
1997: Voted in favor of the Rohrabacher Motion to H.R. 2267 to kill the Section 245(i) amnesty Rep. Barr voted in favor of the Rohrabacher Motion to H.R. 2267 to kill the Section 245(i) amnesty that allowed certain illegal aliens to pay a fee and avoid a 1996 law\’s provision that punishes illegal aliens by barring them for 10 years from entering the U.S. on a legal visa as a student, tourist, worker or immigrant. The Rohrabacher Motion failed by a vote of 153-268.
Worse than Juan “Z-Visa” McCain?
DfDeportation on June 4, 2008 at 9:47 PM
the GOP would be idiots if they let Paul speak at the convention. The moment they do, the newsletter and neo-nazi stuff comes back up except widely reported this time in the media. the GOP would be seen as parading a lunatic with a shady racist past(which is in print), which is bad anytime but especially when running against Obama.
I don’t think the Dems/media are too incompetent to not exploit that.
jp on June 4, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Doofus.
davidk on June 4, 2008 at 9:48 PM
But, but…terrorists have rights too! They should be able to at least call each other. Do you know how hard it is to plan to kill innocent people when you can’t call each other?
Actually, I’m not the one calling for doomsday. Ahmadinejad is (I was going to link something here, but there are just so many things. Just google “Ahmadinejad + Doomsday” or “Ahmadinejad + 12th imam”). And Obama wants to negotiate with these people. Without preconditions. Yeah, go ahead and vote for Barr. But, like I said, be prepared for the consequences.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 9:49 PM
2000: Signed a letter opposing a massive illegal alien amnesty. Rep. Barr, with 52 other Republican Representatives, signed a letter to Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert expressing opposition to an effort to attach an illegal-alien amnesty to an end-of-session appropriations bill.
Worse than Juan “Z-Visa” McCain?
DfDeportation on June 4, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Wow. You are…beyond ignorant.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 9:50 PM
The blimp?
jdkchem on June 4, 2008 at 9:51 PM
http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007625.html
funky chicken on June 4, 2008 at 9:51 PM
the brand of ‘libertarianism’ paul is trying to force on the GOP isn’t really libertarianism’, its Rothbardian Anarchism. Thats his ideological hero, and a lunatic while a smart economist.
jp on June 4, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Mathematically, a vote for Barr is a vote for Obama, period. He has zero chance of winning, so if you vote for Barr you are saying “I want President Obama, with a Dem congress at same time” and everything that goes with it. The only thing voting for Barr does is get Socialism in the US advanced
jp on June 4, 2008 at 9:53 PM
2001: Signed a statement against an amnesty. Rep. Barr signed a statement issued by the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus in April of 2001 opposing the Bush-Fox amnesty proposals that would reward illegal immigrants from Mexico. This put President Bush on notice that there was Congressional opposition to the amnesty.
Worse than Juan “Z-Visa” McCain?
DfDeportation on June 4, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Nice juicy red meat to help close out the day. The Libertarians weren’t gonning to vote for Johnny Mac anyway.
That is their choice, more power to them.
I’m done with all the hair pulling over who will and who won’t vote for the ticket. Barr just didn’t pop up on the radar this afternoon. I’m more interested in what is left of the party then what is left out. One brick at a time. That works for building as well as demolition.
Limerick on June 4, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Immigration is one of MANY issues Barr has flipped on since his days as a congressman in order to please the LP base. Here is the LP’s official position on immigration. LOL!
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 9:55 PM
2002: Voted against rewarding illegal immigrants with the Section 245(i) amnesty Rep. Barr voted against H RES 365, a four-month extension of Section 245(i), an amnesty for illegal aliens that rewards illegal immigrants with residency by allowing certain illegal aliens to pay a $1,000 fine, to apply for a green card in this country, and to stay without fear of deportation. H RES 365 passed by a vote of 275 to 137.
How would Juan “Z-Visa” McCain vote on something like that?
DfDeportation on June 4, 2008 at 9:56 PM
VDARE link, so if you don’t like them, fair warning:
snip
http://www.vdare.com/epstein/080519_barr.htm
funky chicken on June 4, 2008 at 9:56 PM
You said it. A vote for Barr = A vote for socialism and surrender/appeasement to terror. Ya know, these guys.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Here you sanctimonious twerp.
You’re not winning people t your side by deriding them.
Jeff_McAwesome on June 4, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Stop lying about Huckabee. I challenge you to go back to this post, where a lot of people were mocking Huckabee for an impromptu bad joke, and watch that video. Then report back how anything in that video supports your premise. You can’t. Huckabee is sincerely advocating smaller government.
The prerequisite to that is honest and ethical self-government. When the CEO of Enron did what he did, we ended up with Sarbanes-Oxley. Unethical behavior by individuals often results in calls for more government control.
Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 9:59 PM
Heh. There’s a saying that one of the regular HA commenters throws around. “If you go far enough right, you’ll meet up with the left”. Whatdya know? I think we’ve found the meetin’ spot.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 9:59 PM
My husband was one of those “hotheads” who wrote to both Chambliss and Isakson asking them why he was being shipped overseas to help establish Iraqi sovereignity while our southern border was wide open.
To their credit, both gentlemen voted against McCain-Kennedy. But Barr was on McCain’s side, against my husband and I.
funky chicken on June 4, 2008 at 9:59 PM
Yeah, and Bob Barr is just going to make it worse!
D’Oh. . .I thought you were talking about Obama!
jdkchem on June 4, 2008 at 10:02 PM
1999: Co-sponsored H.R.73, legislation to stop rewarding illegal alien mothers by giving citizenship to their babies. H.R.73, the Bilbray bill, would deny U.S. citizenship to more than 200,000 “anchor babies” born in the United States each year to illegal immigrants.
Worse than Juan “Z-Visa” McCain?
DfDeportation on June 4, 2008 at 10:03 PM
More evidence that we need a “None of the above” choice on the ballot!!!!!
jwp1964 on June 4, 2008 at 10:03 PM
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/12/the-bob-barr-candidacy/
funky chicken on June 4, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Funny as it sure sounded like you were. Yup. I just re-read you previous comments and that’s what it sounded like alright.
So is little Mahmoud your spiritual adviser?
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 10:05 PM
2001: Co-sponsored HR 190, legislation to stop granting automatic citizenship to babies of illegal aliens. HR 190 would have put an end to the automatic granting of citizenship to babies born to illegal aliens in the U.S. — some 200,000 a year. These babies can then serve as anchors for importing extended family members, thus adding significantly to U.S. population growth.
Worse than Juan “Z-Visa” McCain? FC, you’re spinnin’ like a top for Juan “Z-Visa” McCain. It’s beautiful…
DfDeportation on June 4, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Funky Chicken will now set the world record for the length of time someone can stand on their head???
DfDeportation on June 4, 2008 at 10:06 PM
McCain needs to pick fellow Arizonan Jeff Flake for his veep to counter the libertarians.
Omega_Rage on June 4, 2008 at 10:07 PM
What were you reading? I was just saying that both sides of the Islamic extremism coin want to end America’s existence. With all you’ve seen (especially on 9/11), how can you argue with that?
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 10:07 PM
So is little Mahmoud your spiritual adviser?
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Naw….Omar the Tentmaker.
DfDeportation on June 4, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Nonsense. A vote for Barr is is vote for Barr, “mathematically” or otherwise.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 10:09 PM
It outside the purview of the US Military to provide border security. If I am not mistaken it is also against the law as well. Unless the Mexican army decides to cross the border.
jdkchem on June 4, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Now who could argue with brilliant logic like that?
TheBigOldDog on June 4, 2008 at 10:09 PM
No thanks to tools like Barr.
I think the argument big-L Libertarians use for open borders is that having proper border enforcement makes the size of government bigger. It’s REALLY flawed logic and I don’t even want to attempt to argue with it.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 10:10 PM
You are aware are you not that George and Juan’s Boy in Baghdad, Maliki, has and soon will be again meeting with little Mahmoud?
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 10:11 PM
And thanks to people like you that stormed their offices with calls and faxes. I think Richard Burr’s office was a little frustrated with me after my 6th call about that cloture vote ;-)
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Nonsense. They can protect the border. That’s the primary purpose of an army. You know, it’s like their whole reason for existing.
What the military can’t do is provide law enforcement duties under Posse Comitatus.
TheBigOldDog on June 4, 2008 at 10:12 PM
If Obama wins because certain conservatives are too self-righteous to sully their hands and vote for McCain the responsibility for whatever American deaths occur that could have otherwise been avoided, whatever rights that are lost, whatever damage is done to national security and the economy and whatever U.S. sovereignty is forfeited will lay directly at the feet of those who love to nurse and express their grudges more than they love their country.
These same people voted for Perot and gave us eight years of Clinton; of a shrinking military and growing government, of liberal justices and bolder jihadis.
But that was the ’90s, people felt that the country could afford a little self-righteousness because our great enemy had been relegated to the ash heap of history. This is the twenty-first century and another great enemy has risen up and is at our gates. In fact, they’re in our cities.
This isn’t a game. This isn’t time to “express your discontent” with the candidate and the Republican Party. This is the future of America we’re deciding here. This is war.
We have young men and women fighting and dying and doing all sorts of crap that they really would rather not be doing to win this war. The least you could do is hold your nose and pull the damn lever.
29Victor on June 4, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Juan “Z-Visa” McCain looks pathetic when making appearances. I had a real bad feeling in my gut watching B. Hussein Obama make that speech in Minnesota last night. A real bad feeling! Just think, A FAR-LEFT STALINIST is gonna trounce the GOP nominee. I wouldn’t have believed if I didn’t see that last night…Maybe Juan “Z-Visa” McCain will tell us “to go fu** ourselves” again and reach across the aisle…
DfDeportation on June 4, 2008 at 10:12 PM
It was just elementary logic, not brilliant logic.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 10:13 PM
How is he “George’s boy”? He was democratically elected.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 10:13 PM
“Can I get an amen?”
AMEN!
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Hey DfDeportation, look up in the thread. I posted several responses to you.
One VDARE link, one Michelle Malkin link, on lonewhacko blog link.
Just use that little arrow thingie there on the right side of your screen, click on the little bar, and scroll up.
funky chicken on June 4, 2008 at 10:14 PM
At the rate Juan McCain is stabbing his own party in the back, Juan himself will take care of putting red states in play for Obama…
Keemo on June 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM
That poll overstates BO’s and BB’s support in Ga.
BB is from GA and we already rejected his lame leadership. The fact that he now toe taps with the ACLU will not make him more popular in this red state.
David in ATL on June 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM
I saw them. I’m just giving you Barr’s voting record. No spin. Straight talk?
DfDeportation on June 4, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Elementary? You got that right. Like the kind an elementary school student would produce.
TheBigOldDog on June 4, 2008 at 10:16 PM
It’s no use. If clueless people like DfD knew/cared how to use a web browser, they’d already know the facts about Barr on immigration and would be smart enough to stay away.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 10:17 PM
It’s all part of Barr’s “Terrorist Have Rights Too” campaign.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Complete hysterical nonsense.
If Obama wins because a certain Juan McVain keeps giving conservatives the finger, or because he has already done way too much of that, responsibility will lay directly at the feet of Juan McVain who loves to nurse and express his grudges more than he loves his country.
BTW, yours is a exceedingly un-American view that people must vote for someone that others tell them to vote for or they are basically criminals and murderers.
MB4 on June 4, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Amen. It’s nice to know there are still some sane adults left here.
TheBigOldDog on June 4, 2008 at 10:21 PM
“Wow. You are…beyond ignorant”….
You’re right..the sunni candidate always beats the shia candidate in a shia majority country.
SaintOlaf on June 4, 2008 at 10:22 PM
I’d like to think that for every one MB4, there are a hundred 29Victors.
malan89 on June 4, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Your upset with McCain giving you the finger? Just wait until you see what Obama has in store for you. You better start practicing bending over now so it won’t hurt so much when it comes.
TheBigOldDog on June 4, 2008 at 10:23 PM
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