I thought that was Bill…..

Barring that outcome, it is hard to imagine Hillary assuming the throne.

Terry, start spending time on Orbits and Travelocity. You’re going to have a big block of free time opening up in the very near future.

Red Pill on June 3, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Well, I hate Hillary more than I hate Huckabee, but somehow my hatred for her doesn’t “cloud my vision” enough to keep me from seeing that she has a theoretical chance. My intense dislike for Huckabee similarly did not keep me from having the “eyes to see” that he did NOT have a chance. My love of Fred did not “cloud my vision” enough to cause me to see that he had no chance – I admitted it and moved on when it became clear that it was so. My indifference to Romney did not keep me from having the “eyes to see” that he had no chance. My initial support of Giuliani did not cause me to be blind to his inability to win, either. In other words, I think you’re projecting your own political blindness here. You’re the only one not admitting to reality.

Dude – Give. It. Up.

Interesting blog post I just found (via Yahoo) dated March 10th:
Has McCain really reached 1191?

I abhor Huckabee

aero on June 3, 2008 at 11:39 AM

And that is why you don’t have eyes to see.
Your vision is clouded by your hatred.

It is a fact that if any candidate (or combination of candidates) won enough primaries to keep McCain from reaching 1191 (which McCain did not claim that he had until the Missippi primary on March 11th!) it would have forced a brokered convention.

The answer is that the only two Republican candidates who were willing to “go the distance” were McCain and Huckabee.

Red Pill on June 3, 2008 at 10:48 AM

Correction: The only three Republican candidates who were willing to “go the distance” were John McCain, Mike Huckabee, and Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is still in the race, and he has every right to stay in. I for one am not going to stomp my foot and demand that he quit.

I apologize to the Ron Paul supporters for leaving him out of my prior comment.

JiangxiDad on June 3, 2008 at 10:58 AM

I didn’t start figuring this out until February. The McCain blitzkrieg was practically complete by that time, and those with “an abiding antipathy to Huck” refused to listen. It is spiritual warfare, but some people (including myself) didn’t have eyes to see it at first.

The fact of the matter is that if McCain had not received over half of the pledged delegates (1191) before the convention, it would have resulted in brokered convention.

And I doubt that McCain could emerge as the nominee from a brokered convention.

There’s still a chance that the Ron Paul supporters might find a way to force a brokered convention. While I am not a Ron Paul supporter (I disagree with him on National Security among other things), he is right about our need to abolish the IRS and Federal Reserve. The Fair Tax and the Gold Standard are the right path for our country, and would reverse a large portion of the gains that the Democratic Socialists made in the 20th century. The IRS and Federal Reserve are used to invade our privacy and control us. The IRS has no constitutional right to abridge the freedom of speech in churches. If a pastor wants to endorse a political candidate, let him. People are free to leave that church if it offends them. But for the IRS to threaten a church (only conservative churches, by the way, hint, hint) with financial penalties (loss of tax-exempt status) is in direct violation of the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Huckabee didn’t have a chance – not even a theoretical one. Hillary did/does. There’s really no comparison here. Move on, dude! It’s been over for the Huckster for a very long time now. I abhor Huckabee, but if he had had an actual chance under RNC rules, I would have grudgingly supported his right to fight on. But he didn’t, so I didn’t. He was holding back the party and the presumptive nominee by hanging on like that. Hillary is actually doing the right thing, in my opinion, and I hope she doesn’t concede tonight. She needs to make a strong point about the inherent unfairness of the DNC and the superdelegate system on their side.

Red Pill on June 3, 2008 at 10:51 AM

I don’t remember hearing this stuff about Huckabee/Romney and a brokered convention before the fact, or when Florida was being played out. I don’t know if you made comments then, but I don’t remember the candidates spelling out the possible outcomes either. What’s up with that?

Florida was handed to McCain by Democrats.
I believe Washington state was stolen.
Before we knew it, McCain was pronounced the “Presumptive nominee”, well before he reached the 1191 mark.

Slimy politics and slimy media.

Red Pill on May 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Dead on target Red Pill…

Keemo on May 9, 2008 at 8:11 PM

The answer is that the only two Republican candidates who were willing to “go the distance” were McCain and Huckabee.

When Romney quit prior to McCain reaching 1191, and then proceeded to try to make Huckabee quit on February 7th (with his “I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror” line) and again on February 14th (with his “release” of his delegates to McCain) he revealed the truth.

It was not Huckabee who was in McCain’s back pocket, it was Romney.

Allahpundit cheers Hillary on (and has even said he might vote for her in November), but lets his “abiding antipathy to Huck” bias him as much as the MSM is biased.

Allahpundit cheers Hillary on (and has even said he might vote for her in November), but lets his “abiding antipathy to Huck” bias him as much as the MSM is biased.

If the Mitt supporters were right in their assertion that Huckabee was McCain’s stalking horse against Romney, then why didn’t Huckabee quit at CPAC after Romney quit at CPAC?

The answer is that the only two Republican candidates who were willing to “go the distance” were McCain and Huckabee.

When Romney quit prior to McCain reaching 1191, and then proceeded to try to make Huckabee quit on February 7th (with his “I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror” line) and again on February 14th (with his “release” of his delegates to McCain) he revealed the truth. It is not Huckabee who was in McCain’s back pocket, it was Romney.

I would still stand up for the right of the one in the Hillary position to continue the fight.

aero on June 3, 2008 at 10:04 AM

There was an originally-planned CNN debate set for February 28th that CNN cancelled saying “McCain is the presumptive nominee”. Huckabee sent a letter to McCain, along with thousands of voters’ signatures in support, asking McCain to debate him before the March 4th primaries. Here’s what McCain did. Remember who wanted to debate…and who didn’t.

McCain had accepted public financing for the primary, and was running out of money. If people had seen a 1-on-1 debate between McCain and Huckabee (where you can guarantee that Immigration would have been a key topic), it is very possible that Huckabee could have won Texas, and the race could have been very different if it went on with McCain running out of money. Huckabee didn’t have to get to 1191. He only had to win enough of the remaining primaries to keep McCain from 1191 and it would have forced a brokered convention.

I would still stand up for the right of the one in the Hillary position to continue the fight.

aero on June 3, 2008 at 10:04 AM

There was an originally-planned CNN debate set for February 28th that CNN cancelled saying “McCain is the presumptive nominee”. Huckabee sent a letter to McCain, along with thousands of voters’ signatures in support, asking McCain to debate him before the March 4th primaries. Here’s what McCain did. Remember who wanted to debate…and who didn’t.

McCain had accepted public financing for the primary, and was running out of money. If people had seen a 1-on-1 debate between McCain and Huckabee (where you can guarantee that Immigration would have been a key topic), it is very possible that Huckabee could have won Texas, and the race could have been very different if it went on with McCain running out of money. Huckabee didn’t have to get to 1191. He only had to win enough of the remaining primaries to keep McCain from 1191 and it would have forced a brokered convention.

Anyone who doesn’t like McCain as our nominee should have supported Huckabee and hoped for a brokered convention, rather than incessantly asking, “When will Huck quit?”

Allahpundit cheers Hillary on (and has even said he might vote for her in November), but lets his “abiding antipathy to Huck” bias him as much as the MSM is biased.

If the Mitt supporters were right in their assertion that Huckabee was McCain’s stalking horse against Romney, then why didn’t Huckabee quit at CPAC after Romney quit at CPAC?

The answer is that the only two Republican candidates who were willing to “go the distance” were McCain and Huckabee.

When Romney quit prior to McCain reaching 1191, and then proceeded to try to make Huckabee quit on February 7th (with his “I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror” line) and again on February 14th (with his “release” of his delegates to McCain) he revealed the truth. It is not Huckabee who was in McCain’s back pocket, it was Romney.

Florida was handed to McCain by Democrats.
I believe Washington state was stolen.
Before we knew it, McCain was pronounced the “Presumptive nominee”, well before he reached the 1191 mark.

Slimy politics and slimy media.

Red Pill on May 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Dead on target Red Pill…

Keemo on May 9, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Rovin on June 3, 2008 at 10:34 AM

I can definitely see that as being the Clinton strategy at this point. If Clinton subtly helps throw this election to McCain, then she runs again in 2012 once Obama is in the ashbin of political history and McCain is looking way too old to run again . . . Yeah, I can see that.

If I were a Dem, I’d be so ticked off right now at the party leadership. They’re totally botching this whole situation. Of course, I still fully expect the Dems to win on every count in November despite the ineptitude of the DNC and their candidates. But this should have been a walk in the park for them, and instead they’ve made themselves so weak (as usual) that they’re going to have to fight for what would have been easy.

aero on June 3, 2008 at 10:04 AM

For most of the very reasons you wrote here aero, this will be the upset in the making that will put McCain in the WH. When 30% of Hillary’s voters punch the McCain ticket, (with her blessing) she will have set the table for 2012. Watch deligently over the next 48 hrs and see exactly how she goes about “uniting the party” without making it look obvious where her support is sliding to. The political machine that the Clintons created will not allow Obama to get seated for eight years.

TOPV on June 3, 2008 at 10:01 AM

Selected, not elected. Now, where did I first hear that?

If I were a Dem, I’d be so ticked off right now at the party leadership. They’re totally botching this whole situation. Of course, I still fully expect the Dems to win on every count in November despite the ineptitude of the DNC and their candidates. But this should have been a walk in the park for them, and instead they’ve made themselves so weak (as usual) that they’re going to have to fight for what would have been easy.

Keemo on June 3, 2008 at 9:45 AM

Hillary will stay in.

remember. We don’t want Hillary to win. The Clintons can beat McCain, Obama can’t.

JiangxiDad on June 3, 2008 at 9:49 AM

You are correct, sir.

1) Obama ain’t got game. He is the empty suit puppet of Communists/Democratic Socialists like George Soros and Zbigniew Brzezinski (co-founder of the Trilateral Commission, Jimmy Carter’s National Security Advisor(!), and “foreign policy advisor” to Barack Obama).

2) The reason Hillary wanted McCain as her Republican adversary in the general is because she knows she can beat him. This is the woman who abused her husband’s office to get FBI and IRS files on her enemies. She has dirt on McCain. McCain voted “guilty” on the Bill Clinton impeachment. Hillary wants to shame McCain with his own dirty laundry, and (she thinks) win the Presidency at the same time.

oh well, we can wish …

I agree JD… However, keeping Hillary in through the convention has it’s benefits. Hillary is the stronger candidate, but I fear her less than I fear Obama and those creatures behind the curtain pulling his strings.