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Spencer: No, State doesn’t have a point

posted at 7:45 pm on June 3, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Robert Spencer of the invaluable site Jihad Watch followed my post yesterday to the New York Times op-ed piece by P.W. Singer and Elina Noor recommending that the West stop using the term jihad. After a day of travel, Robert responds to Singer and Noor, reasserting his arguments about the State Department directive. While Singer and Noor predicate their belief that the term has been hijacked by radicals, Robert argues that the radical use is exactly how jihad has always been interpreted in Islam:

Here is the fundamental assumption of the new State Department guidelines, as well as of Singer and Noor: that the jihadists are twisting the meaning of jihad within Islam, appropriating for their own purposes what is in traditional Islam a spiritual struggle or a struggle for justice. Singer and Noor appear unaware that the term jihad fi sabeel Allah in the Qur’an and Islamic tradition refers specifically to warfare. They also probably do not realize that in Islamic theology justice is equated with Sharia, such that an “external fight for justice” is a fight to impose Islamic law, with its denial of the freedom of conscience and institutionalized discrimination against women and non-Muslims.

Al-Qaeda and other contemporary jihadists did not originate this definition of jihad from Ibn Arafa, a scholar of the Maliki school of Islamic jurisprudence, who explains that jihad is “fighting by a Muslim against a kaafir [unbeliever] (who does not have a treaty with the Muslims) to make the word of Allah the highest.” Nor did they originate the Shafi’i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy, which stipulates that “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.”

Osama bin Laden did not whisper into the ear of Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), the pioneering historian and sociologist, the idea that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.” In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”

It wasn’t al-Zawahri who inspired the great medieval Islamic theorist Ibn Taymiyya (1263-1328) to teach that “since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought.”

And to those who will inevitably say, “Spencer is saying the jihadists are right!,” let me remind you that I didn’t originate this material either.

As usual, Robert makes a compelling argument. We aren’t going to change their minds about the meaning of the term jihad on the basis of a State Department memo or an American ad campaign, either. If they see the term jihad as meaning holy war against infidels, then our moral-relativist approach won’t convince them that it means “internal struggle for holiness”, or pretending that the terrorists don’t believe their quest to be holy.

Fair enough. But I still see what Singer and Noor mean as well. If we use jihad to describe these acts, it sounds as if we’re recognizing those attacks as part of a holy war, or put another way, that we accept the construct of the terrorists. Perhaps it would be more helpful to argue that we don’t accept that any war is holy, especially when people target non-combatants (in our estimation, at least). Regardless of how we define jihad, the terrorists and their sympathizers hear us essentially endorsing the holy nature of their fight.

In the end, it won’t make much difference whether we stop using the term or not. It’s an interesting academic exercise. Instead, as Robert implores, State should be focusing on more important steps they can take against radical Islam:

Instead, State could be sponsoring positive presentations of the freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, equality of rights of all people, and other principles that many Muslims accept today, but which are denied by Sharia. State could, in other words, be offering an alternative to Sharia — not by way of a verbal frontal assault, but by attacking the elements of Sharia that many Muslims as well as non-Musims reject. Instead, it is reinforcing Sharia by pretending that there is a positive jihad that is not threatening to unbelievers.

In fact, that might be a good way to confront Iran as well — by establishing communication to the Iranian people in ways that allow them to hear and see information that their government denies them.


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shazbat on June 4, 2008 at 12:17 AM

I don’t really want to go too far down that road. It’s a pointless conversation in terms of chances that either of us is having of convincing the other to change their mind.

In short, Hell is everlasting punishment. And if humanity means anything at all it cannot include everlasting punishments.

That the New Testament somehow cancels the Old Testament is your baseless assumption:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Mathew 5:17

I believe that Jesus is a moral exemplar for the Christians. All I am saying this is what makes Christianity pretty ugly. The moral problem section of Bertrand Russell’s “Why I am not a Christian” is a good summary of why that would be.

freevillage on June 4, 2008 at 12:51 AM

Yep, when we bombed Germany and Japan, we were not just aiming at Hitler and Tojo.

Johan Klaus on June 4, 2008 at 12:25 AM

No, during WWII we were aiming for everything and anything to weaken the enemy and achieve victory. We seized or destroyed as much of their infrastructure and facilities as possible and only after the enemy was utterly defeated did we begin to help them rebuild.

In the coming decades while we’re waiting around to see if our democratic experiment in the Middle East takes hold, terrorist states are working to develop nuclear capabilities. If they succeed they will be able to deter any future efforts on our part to eliminate the Jihad should our experiment in Iraq fail. Even if Iraq does remain a democratic state it may not spread to other countries in the region, and even if it does, it doesn’t necessarily preclude those societies from continuing to support or condone Jihad activities.

I would feel more confident if we were creating a secular democracy in Iraq.

In my view we are in a race against time. We have to defeat Jihad, once and for all, before Islamists obtain a nuclear deterrent. After that the situation will become infinitely more dangerous.

FloatingRock on June 4, 2008 at 12:59 AM

Are you saying that Quran has universally been interpreted the same way? Please illustrate that by comparing/pointing to equivalence between a modern Turk, Osama bin Laden and a mainstream muslim from Norway.

freevillage on June 3, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Freevillage, I don’t claim to be an expert on Islam, or religion in general, but my understanding is that all of the major branches of Islam include the concept of violent Jihad. Can you name one that doesn’t?

Can you point to a quote in the Christian bible that commands the faithful to wage indefinite war against unbelievers?

Until you can your moral-equivalence argument is a waste of bytes.

FloatingRock on June 4, 2008 at 1:15 AM

1. “Drop the terms jihadi/jihadist and the word terrorist. Call them what they are…Islamists. We’re not fighting Islam the religion, we’re fighting Islamism, the political-military movement.”

It is my understanding that Islamism is Religious-Political. Being governed by Islamic law.

2. “For instance theres been only one Islamic extremist terrorist attack against Britain but everyone here agrees that Britain is on the verge of being conquered by Islam.”

Sorry. The new British term for anything involving Islamic Extremist terrorist attacks (or just plain Muslims attacking) is anti-Islamic attack. (No. I am not joking).

davod on June 4, 2008 at 5:13 AM

Is there another term for peacefull Jihad?

davod on June 4, 2008 at 5:18 AM

Spencer’s argument is flawed. It sounds like a retort but it really isn’t. He cites a few theoreticians of Islam with an implicit assumption their version of Islam is mainstream. I have no idea if he’s right, but I’m sure I know millions of people who say he’s wrong.

freevillage on June 3, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Muthuswamy completed a statistical analysis of the Koran, Sira, and Hadith for The Center for the Study of Political Islam, and found the following about “Jihad”:
Statistical analysis of the trilogy revealed that 97% of references to “jihad” relate to war and a mere 3% to the concept of “inner struggle.”
So, Jihad is an inner struggle 3% of the time, and warfare 97% of the time. Guess I can safely assume when a follower of Islam is waging Jihad, that 97% of the time, I had better be ready to defend myself.
djtnt on June 3, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Here are two ways to use “numbers” to prove a point. The first, by freevillage, is essentially a bunch of anecdotal crap and assumption, masquerading as knowledge. The second, by djtnt, actually tells me something about the broad scope of the “jihad” concept in Islamic thought.

I can’t stand watching Robert Spencer because he always comes off like such a great big tool. Not only that, but the guy is a dangerous religious fanatic that would plunge the US into an endless, unwinnable war against Iran, while gas prices soared into the double digits.
John on June 3, 2008 at 8:26 PM

My hero in life is Julius Caesar, as in “render unto Caesar”. I don’t think I have to take a back seat to anyone in opposing the presence of religion in public life. That said, I want us to go to war with Iran even more than Spencer. We can definitely win any war against any amount of Muslims, provided we have the will. What are they going to use for weapons, when we get even more aggressive about interdicting weapons shipments from North Korea, China, et al.? Allah’s wishes? And just how high do you think gas will go if Iran gets nuclear weapons and starts blackmailing the rest of the world?

The very idea of Hell, an infinite punishment for a finite number of sins, is the most abhorrent and cruel idea that a sick mind could imagine.

freevillage on June 3, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Nietzsche called, he wants his pre-syphillis-induced dementia rhetoric back. I love Nietzsche and all his rhetorical criticism of Christianity, too, but you do realize that Muslims pretty much took over the Christian vision of hell whole-hog and just put different people in it? How the abhorrence and cruelty of the idea of hell counts against Christians and not against Muslims is left to the reader to discern, I suppose.

venividivici on June 4, 2008 at 8:06 AM

We can definitely win any war against any amount of Muslims,
venividivici on June 4, 2008 at 8:06 AM

May be you don’t understand.

Islam is a faith and the people who worship God (Allah) are Muslims. So you are saying we will win any war against any of those who believe in God?

How do you suggest we destroy faith or any faith for that matter?

Monas on June 4, 2008 at 8:56 AM

shazbat on June 4, 2008 at 12:17 AM

what the people who are so ‘horrified’ about the whole concept of hell is that for those who are not His, heaven would be an even more intolerable place….His very presence would be the worst torture imaginable.

right4life on June 4, 2008 at 9:39 AM

Jihad is a central duty in Islam. Jihad’s goal is to fight in the cause of Allah and establish a global Islamic society governed by Islamic Shari’ah law. Jihad not only includes physical war, but also actively undercutting the foundations of western secular governments.

These include, but are not limited to; demographic conquest (based on higher fertility rates and the open practice of polygamy which is divinely sanctioned), the exportation of mosques (who preach literal Islam based on the prevalent intolerance in the Qur’an) and madrassas (some accused of being publicly funded like TIZA). They are found in the Saudi textbooks that they graciously provide to US public schools. The are found in the infiltration of governmental agencies like the FBI and those that shape counter-terrorism measures (as if these counter terrorism agencies do not need to focus solely on adherents to Islam). They actually infiltrate elected government as we see with Ellison. They include the pnow permanent financial burden of extra airport screening and security of public transportation infrastructures.

The anti-western, pro-Islamic culture creeps outward everywhere. In Britain, terrorist acts are now referred to as “un-Islamic” acts, yet they continue unabated. In the US, american cultural holidays are being challenged, like Halloween on the grounds that it offends Muslims. Pork products are disappearing from public school menus quietly. Religious accomodations, like footbaths are being installed in public airports and universities. All the while, day after day, we hear the shrieks from Muslims around the world that through jihad, Allah will grant them victory over the great satan of the US and Israel.

The West capitulates and Islam ever-advances.

…And we are sitting here actually debating on what to call them, astoundingly proposing that by a simple change in our vernacular, it will somwehow offset this reality or blunt the inherent threat that Islam poses to the culture of the West?

Opponents of Spencer will try to portray Robert’s approach (the truth) as alienating Muslims and a poor way to prosecute the “war on terror”, or what have you. They accuse Spencer of basically attempting to revive the Crusades and establishing a holy war that they deem, cannot be won.

Hogwash.

Spencer does not portend to declare how western military operations should occur. Spencer in no way alluding that Islam should or ever could be abolished. Spencer merely states the need for non-muslims to identify the inherent supremacist tone of Islam and that secular non-muslim societies worldwide should guard against the creeping expansion of Shari’ah.

How can we expect any change in Islam if we cannot correlate the problem of terrorism to Islam?

I guess at the end of the day, people must decide if Spencer’s exhaustive research and dedication to the concept of Islamic jihad is a more valid authority than those who wish to engage in newspeak, who are standing paralyzed with fingers crossed behind their backs, refusing to acknowledge the truth because it is uncomfortable.

That’s an easy call, in my estimation.

awake on June 4, 2008 at 9:39 AM

but you do realize that Muslims pretty much took over the Christian vision of hell whole-hog and just put different people in it? How the abhorrence and cruelty of the idea of hell counts against Christians and not against Muslims is left to the reader to discern, I suppose.

because if you complain about the muslims in any way you could end up a bit shorter….if ya know what I mean….

right4life on June 4, 2008 at 9:44 AM

Robert’s response to Ed

Connie on June 4, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Robert quotes primary Islamic texts, those who argue against him here do not.

He quotes leading Islamic thinkers, those who argue against him here do not.

He refers us to the Islamic schools of jurisprudence, and guess what those who argue against him here don’t do?

I’ll bet he’s used to it by now, though.

Oh, and “Monas,” that was a pretty awful logical fallacy as well. Did you have to look up how to pretzel-ize other people’s words, or does it come naturally to you?

Merovign on June 4, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Maybe if Spencer shaved his beard he would be more acceptable.

davod on June 4, 2008 at 1:28 PM

davod on June 4, 2008 at 1:28 PM

?

Connie on June 4, 2008 at 3:17 PM

awake,

Spencer does not portend to declare how western military operations should occur. Spencer in no way alluding that Islam should or ever could be abolished. Spencer merely states the need for non-muslims to identify the inherent supremacist tone of Islam and that secular non-muslim societies worldwide should guard against the creeping expansion of Shari’ah.

Ball, park, trot, tag every base. Put it on tee shirts and tattoo it on your back.

Beagle on June 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Islam is a faith and the people who worship God (Allah) are Muslims. So you are saying we will win any war against any of those who believe in God?

How do you suggest we destroy faith or any faith for that matter?

Monas on June 4, 2008 at 8:56 AM

Vide Rome v. Carthage

venividivici on June 4, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Beagle on June 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM

I hear ya’ Beagle, but then I am explicitly aware that I am preaching to the choir here, but thanks for the nod.

awake on June 4, 2008 at 11:16 PM

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