Although I understand the gist of what you are trying to say, there are still a few points that I need further clarification on….

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile — the list goes on and on.

THE GREAT LIE IS THAT MANKIND CAN CONTROL OR AFFECT THE WEATHER.

The Lieberman-Warner bill is just another excuse for government to control are lives. The various taxes agentcies in the U.S. already make more on a gallon of gasoline than the componies that supply gasoline to the average american citizen. I am sick and tired of the failed fedaral government’s energy policy over the last 40 years. The fedaral government has choked every chance for a lower cost of energy for years.

If people in the U.S. want a chance of the good life then these people must have access to energy.

When I say failed energy policy I am trying to say that the gornmenment has no clue.

If the U.S. needs energy then why don’t we do something? The politacoes want us to be afraid or dependent.

How do we as consumers and as citizens solve this problem. Well demand a effective energy policy.

Such as.

More nuclear.

A drill anywhere policy for more crude.

Stop the ethonol pragram because the low income folks pay more in food cost than they can save in energy cost. I would be willing to bet that Lieberman or Warner And yes
President Bush have never gone to the local grocery store for years and seen the cost of food rise because of the ethonol program. Sorry i digress.

The Lieeberman-Warner bill is just another attempt to tax the poor and middle class into submission.

Sometimes I have too much to say yet lack the words.

tom lawler

For those who can handle the truth,
it’s God vs. Satan

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 8:26 AM

Yes, God is moving the chess pieces. The events of the past seven years should prove that to us.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Peter seemed pretty insistant on believers understanding this point. Why? It is no coincidence that the events of Sept. 11 happened in the first year of the new millenium. We are approaching the “end of the age” which will be heralded by a terrible tribulation. A new Biblical “Day” is dawning.

From the comments on this thread, we all, athiest and believer alike, see trouble brewing, unlike anything we’ve seen before. We see the train going off the tracks, and we’re helpless. Otherwise intelligent people, in our government, behaving as if they live on a different planet. How much longer? Only God knows (literally). All we can do is try to be prepared spiritually.

Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

Please, if you haven’t already, take account of this most important and eternal part of your being.

Dark days ahead folks.

Okay, sermon over, bitter Bible clinger signing off. Good night.

It’s over, folks. Congress has officially declared war on its citizens.

fossten on June 4, 2008 at 11:04 AM

The states with shale oil or petroleum reserves should give the Feds the middle finger and drill like there’s no tomorrow, because the way things are going there may not be a tomorrow.

Neo on June 3, 2008 at 7:09 PM

Fossten, your observation is dead on. Neo, you have the answer. ‘Desperate times call for drastic measures.’

north Carolina also bit the bullet and now requires 15% of all power generation to be from renewable sources. While I would rather have a bill like this than a cap and trad bill it will still raise my bills. oh yeah NC is a democratic controlled government. If the people keep votting for these idiots I fear for our country.

Sounds good to me.

Let’s just quit while we are ahead. I think we are saying the same thing just a little differently. I’m really not ready to get my old college books out. LOL. the biggest thing is it is not CO2 that is causing the warming.

But we are hung up on a technical point that is difficult to explain. We are both correct…. but we are talking about different things.

You are talking about reflected light off the atmosphere. Which is full spectrum white light that bounced off the atmosphere and was not absorbed.

On the other hand, I am talking about the light that was absorbed by the atmosphere and thus is no longer “light” but is now “heat.” That heat cannot leave the earth, except a very tiny amount in the form of infrared radiation.

Really hard to explain without charts and diagrams. But I really think I did a better job of explaining what I mean in the post linked below.

Maxx on August 12, 2007 at 2:55 PM

If you read it I think it will clear up the confusion.

Wasn’t trying to get too technical. I was using heat in the general sense. That being said I did say esacpes back to the ATMOSPHERE and space. The IR reflected back to space does allow some energy to leave the planet. We know energy in the form of light esacpaes into space because EARTH in a hue of colors from space. thus those lightwaves we are seeing is the proof that some energy escapes. If none esacped it would be a black hole and if all esacped it would be a white planet.

Since the size of CO, H2O and methane molocules are such to block this limited amount of IR from getting back into space people think that must be the cause of the warming but i agree that the amount that is trapped is not enough to cause the effect. It is more a matter IMO of the energy being absorped then trapped on refraction. Since we have less ice more energy is absorbed by the earth then was reflected back. thus the sun plays a bigger role in warming than any CO2 could ever hope to do. If you wanted to reduce warming you would increase the amount of Sunlight reflected ( much like Ice sheets do)

I know that the earth is in a warming trend and has been for approx 14,000-11,000 years due to the retreat of the glaciers. The warming has MANY things causing it. The SUn IMO being the biggest one due to decreased reflection from the melting of the glaciers. Others include increased water vapor, release of energy from the earth in the form of volconic activity etc. Without our protective atmosphere and water to trap the reflected IR from going back into space the Earth will be cold like the Moon.

But that is neither here nor there. the fact is that a LOT of the energy trasnported by the Sun to the earth has been saved by the earth to one degree or another. It is saved in plants, in humans and animals, in topsoils, in the chemical bonds of sedimentary rocks, in oil, in coal etc. So while I agree the transfer is small into space it is there and without clouds it is greater then it would be with cloud cover.

It looks like this Neo is already fully awake:

Neo on June 3, 2008 at 7:09 PM

And the GOP wonders why it’s getting its arse kicked every election…I replyed to Senator Martinez and told him that I looked forward to voting for his opponent in two years. I swear I’ll vote for a Democrat in order to get him out of office.

orlandocajun on June 4, 2008 at 6:45 AM

No need to vote for a Democrat. Vote for Martinez’s GOP opponent in the primary, he will probably have one, they usually do.

“No, that is Al Gore talking, CO2 does no such thing. How could it, it isn’t even capable of absorbing as much energy as either water vapor or oxygen. And I’m talking on a molecule by molecule comparison, I’m not even including the fact that CO2 is exceedingly rare in the atmosphere compared to either water vapor or oxygen.

Besides, the earth does not cool by means of radiating heat into space. If that is the only way the earth had as a means to cool, the earth would have burned up on day 2.

The earth cools by means of evaporation of water, it does not rely on transferring heat to space as Al Gore claims. It does however transfer a very tiny amount of it’s heat into space via IR radiation, but the amount is totally insignificant and plays no significant part in how the earth cools.

The earth has had more than ten times the amount of CO2 in it’s atmosphere than today with no ill effect. CO2 is a blessing that causes plants to grow faster thus supplying more food for a hungry world.

But the global warmers make CO2 the “bad guy” because you cannot have hardly any type of combustion without creating some CO2. Thus to control/TAX CO2 is to control all business and to gain control over individuals based on a fraud.

CO2 is where the money is for this fraud and that is why they denounce it as the cause of global warming, which of course is not happening.”

I know all of the above that is the point I was trying to make.

No one is addressing the other environmental effects of higher CO2 levels- including reduced oxygen levels in deep sea water and the ‘cabonation’ if you will of oceans, rain forests, and other ecosystems.

bayam on June 4, 2008 at 9:09 AM

You sure do get frightened easily bayam, all of those earth processes have been going on since the beginning with no ill effect, with many times the CO2 levels we have in the air today.

Oh wait… yes I remember it now… the great fish-death of the 1960’s when there was too much CO2 and all the fish and the forest died…..not. (relax bayam – that didn’t really happen) Tell me bayam, do you have a link that supports any of this tripe? Reduced oxygen levels of the sea? Where did you get that? I don’t think even Al Gore has made such a bizarre claim. Did you see that in a comic book someplace? Please tell me where do you get this crap?

To pump out huge amounts of carbon dioxide when we don’t know how the system works is a pretty dangerous thing.

Hold on, wasn’t that CO2 recently put there by humans pumping it into the atmosphere? How does removing it become dangerous? There are a lot of amateur research scientists posting on this thread.

No one is addressing the other environmental effects of higher CO2 levels- including reduced oxygen levels in deep sea water and the ‘cabonation’ if you will of oceans, rain forests, and other ecosystems.

The Communists/Democratic Socialists serve the god of the earth (Satan) rather than the God of heaven.

The document which began our country (The Declaration of Independence) concludes with an appeal to God:

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The CONSTITUTION OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA concludes its Preamble with:

With Marxism-Leninism guiding our actions, the Communist Party strives to build the broadest unity against global capitalist imperialism now headed by U.S. imperialism, for immediate gains and reforms that benefit working people, and for a progressive democratization of the government, the economy, and society of our country on the road to and after winning socialism.

With pride in our past and confidence in our future, we hereby establish this Constitution of the Communist Party of the United States America.

People who promote AGW and believe man (not God) is responsible, put nature and man above God.

Not surprising. The Communists/Democratic Socialists serve the god of the earth (Satan) rather than the God of heaven.

Goebbles Warming

NTWR on June 3, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Love it. I also like Gore-Bull Warming.

Restating and adding to what I said earlier…

E=MC^2
It’s also true that:
M=E/C^2

The sun converts matter to energy (in a fusion reaction) and radiates that energy out.

The earth receives energy from the sun’s radiation, but the earth only radiates a very small percentage of that back out as Infrared (IR) radiation. Conduction and convection are not possible into the vacuum of space. So, where does all of that energy go?

The energy is converted back into matter.

M=E/C^2

More energy from the sun –> more plant life grows –> plants convert CO2 to O2 –> plants provide both the oxygen and the food that animals need –> more animals can live.

Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

Genesis 1:3

and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.

Matthew 17:2

It’s about control. It’s fascism in the truist sense of the word. A tiny, tiny minority of people denying the rest of us access and development of our resources.

labrat on June 4, 2008 at 6:41 AM

Bingo!

All of the things you mention, plus the fascist indoctrination of our public school children with Darwinian Evolution (no debate about Intelligent Design allowed there, yet the debate on HotAir led to the most commented thread in HotAir history) are all part of the game plan of the Communists/Democratic Socialists.

It’s about power and control. Who has it and who doesn’t.

For those who can handle the truth,
it’s God vs. Satan

God works through His people to set others free
Satan works through his people to enslave others

And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 8:32

The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

John 10:10