Hillary: I must rock on a bit longer

posted at 10:37 pm on June 3, 2008 by Allahpundit

Just a bit. Just in case anything unusual happens tomorrow. Which, admittedly, it shouldn’t: The superdelegates are so invested in His Holiness at this point that even proof of the apocryphal Michelle O “whitey” tape materializing wouldn’t necessarily flip them. Like I said in the other thread about Hillary’s VP prospects, the time for this was last month or, ideally, the month before. It’s all too transparently Machiavellian now.

I love the line at the beginning equating votes with prayers, though. She’s always had a creepy, decidedly megalomaniacal view of her role as president. This is the fecal icing on the cake. Exit notation: No congratulations for Obama during the entire speech, as far as I saw.


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This is the fecal icing on the cake.

Well put.

sulla on June 3, 2008 at 10:39 PM

But, the entire cake is feces, isn’t it?

Mibrilane on June 3, 2008 at 10:42 PM

Rock on all the way to Denver. Riots in the streets. A party split in two right along racial and gender lines. Keep rockin’ Hillary. Give us this election.

malan89 on June 3, 2008 at 10:43 PM

And it’s not even a cake – it’s a sandwich.

Mibrilane on June 3, 2008 at 10:44 PM

At this point she might even switch parties. After all, her
and Bills faithfull followers just dumped her like a stinking bag of rotted onions. Could be interesting.

Texyank on June 3, 2008 at 10:47 PM

This is the fecal icing on the cake.

Especially after under cooked pork sloppy joes and warm beer night…………..

If that speech didn’t make you want to defecate and vomit at the same time, then there truly is no hope for you…………….

Seven Percent Solution on June 3, 2008 at 10:48 PM

mmmmmm tasty madness.

All the anchors can do is cream their jeans over the size of the crowd compared to McCain.

Squid Shark on June 3, 2008 at 10:48 PM

If I was Obama, I would hire a food taster…Rosie would probably do it for free.

WisCon on June 3, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Dude, I am baking a wedding cake right now and thinking about which icing recipe to use.

EJDolbow on June 3, 2008 at 10:50 PM

The lemmings are lining up and the pied piper begins his uncanny sound which reverberates across our land. Hold on folks this is going to be a rough ride.

wepeople on June 3, 2008 at 10:52 PM

I love riots in August,

mred on June 3, 2008 at 10:53 PM

By the way, their are millions of American women who will be doubly disappointed tonight.

After listening to as much as I could of Hillary, seeing the smug look on her face, and visually seeing the bile coming out of her mouth, my gonads packed a bag and started the Summer vacation early this year.

Sorry honey, I am no longer in the mood……..

Seven Percent Solution on June 3, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Turd sandwich 08!

lorien1973 on June 3, 2008 at 10:54 PM

But, the entire cake is feces, isn’t it?

Mibrilane on June 3, 2008 at 10:42 PM

The icing is a different color.

p40tiger on June 3, 2008 at 10:55 PM

Turd sandwich 08!

Turd sandwich? How can you vote for turd sandwich? At least a douche is clean!

malan89 on June 3, 2008 at 10:55 PM

Enough with the bowel dispensory allusions already!

Hillary has just shown that she knows the what the meaning narcissism is. Now all the dictionaries have to put her picture by the word in future editions.

stonemeister on June 3, 2008 at 10:56 PM

The Messiah has landed!

Welcome to the Socialist States of America comrades. Welcome to the self-loathing liberal plague cloud desending over the USA. Welcome to Jimmy Carter’s self-anointed heir!

Are you ready for the last judgment?

Pax americana on June 3, 2008 at 10:56 PM

I heard Hillary’s speech. I had no idea until now that every day, Hillary’s out there fighting for me.

Even so, I still think she’s a maggot.

Cicero43 on June 3, 2008 at 10:57 PM

The superdelegates are so invested in His Holiness at this point that even proof of the apocryphal Michelle O “whitey” tape materializing wouldn’t necessarily flip them.

I’m pretty sure by now, his pfanatical pfollowers would be cool with it if Barry went to the podium tomorrow and booted a big dart of smack in front of them.

And then killed a guy.

Rhinoboy on June 3, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Boy popcorn and beer in bulk, guys!

Denver’s going to be a great show!

newton on June 3, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Hillary — good speech tonight.

Obama — crowd FIRED up tonight.

McCain — up past his bedtime tonight.

EJDolbow on June 3, 2008 at 10:58 PM

All the anchors can do is cream their jeans over the size of the crowd compared to McCain

There is an even greater discrepancy in the turnout for the Dem versus GOP primaries this year. Not to mention that 29% of the GOP in the closed SD primary did not vote for McCain and that he is actually trailing Romney and Paul in the Montana caucuses right now.

His last hope is to pick up Hillary in the veep slot. It would make the ticket more conservative.

Valiant on June 3, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Denver’s going to be a great show!

Ahhh, yes it is.

McCain — up past his bedtime tonight.

I wish the Republicans had nominated at least a half decent candidate with SOME principles to face Barry. But I guess we’re stuck with this tool.

malan89 on June 3, 2008 at 11:00 PM

His last hope is to pick up Hillary in the veep slot. It would make the ticket more conservative.

Valiant on June 3, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Adding hemlock to cyanide doesn’t make it less poisonous!

stonemeister on June 3, 2008 at 11:01 PM

stonemeister on June 3, 2008 at 11:01 PM

I’m not taking his poison no matter who he picks for the first mate of the Titanic.

Valiant on June 3, 2008 at 11:02 PM

It’s pretty shrewd of Hillary to more or less indicate she wants the VEEP. Why? Because if he doesn’t offer it to her (and he’d be a fool to do so), he’ll come off as a sore winner and further alienate her base.

SouthernGent on June 3, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Ew.

whitetop on June 3, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Hillary is compressing into a few months what it took Harold Stassen decades to do.

MB4 on June 3, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Hillary is compressing into a few months what it took Harold Stassen decades to do.

MB4 on June 3, 2008 at 11:04 PM

That reference was ’23 skidoo!

stonemeister on June 3, 2008 at 11:07 PM

I wish the Republicans had nominated at least a half decent candidate with SOME principles to face Barry. But I guess we’re stuck with this tool.

malan89 on June 3, 2008 at 11:00 PM

McCain has stated his principles, if you don’t like them, well … … … he has others.
- Groucho

MB4 on June 3, 2008 at 11:07 PM

SouthernGent on June 3, 2008 at 11:03 PM

First thing I thought when I heard it too.

Shrewd.

She’s not giving up any chess pieces.

Saltysam on June 3, 2008 at 11:07 PM

They are talking about turning Georgia Blue on CHH special election coverage

,…………….

EricPWJohnson on June 3, 2008 at 11:10 PM

EJDolbow on June 3, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Good one!

Also, Obama gives his speech in a stadium, McCain gives his in somebody’s basement.

Rhinoboy on June 3, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Has there been a Chris Matthews mancrush quote of the day yet?

Here’s a picture that may sum up an Obama presidency.

cannonball on June 3, 2008 at 11:14 PM

Rhinoboy on June 3, 2008 at 10:57 PM

LOL. Stop! My gut hurts!

Saltysam on June 3, 2008 at 11:15 PM

Rhinoboy on June 3, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Obama was securing the nomination tonight. McCain was just giving another speech. McCain had about 11K at his victory speech.

Squid Shark on June 3, 2008 at 11:16 PM

Turd sandwich 08!

lorien1973 on June 3, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Can’t be a turd sammich. Hillary doesn’t like bread. Just sayin’.

FishFearMe on June 3, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Well McCain did not have a rock band to open for him either. Obama employs lots of tricks to get the people out.

Really, I don’t think that matters very much. Whatever kind of stuff Obama is doing, he is still in a statistical tie with McCain. After all the money spent and the adoring robotic crowds, when it comes down to it…this election is looking really close. The media will have to try harder to win it for their guy Obama.

Terrye on June 3, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Gracious exit? Definately not the Clinton way.

“It’s better to burn out than to fade away” (pshyco killer in the movie Highlander).

Hog Wild on June 3, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Not to mention that 29% of the GOP in the closed SD primary did not vote for McCain and that he is actually trailing Romney and Paul in the Montana caucuses right now.

His last hope is to pick up Hillary in the veep slot. It would make the ticket more conservative.

Valiant on June 3, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Dude, The Montana REPUBLICAN caucus was on Feb 14.

EJDolbow on June 3, 2008 at 11:28 PM

I think McCain is the best candidate Republicans could have nominated this year. I know there are people who do not want to hear that, but considering the times, it is the truth.

Terrye on June 3, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Valiant on June 3, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Dude, The Montana REPUBLICAN caucus was on Feb 14.

LOL. Open mouth, insert foot.

malan89 on June 3, 2008 at 11:33 PM

“It’s better to burn out than to fade away” (pshyco killer in the movie Highlander).

Hog Wild

The Kurrgan stole it from Def Leppard who stole it from Neil Young, who probably stole it from someone else.

Just sayin’

Krydor on June 3, 2008 at 11:34 PM

And if some of the Republicans who were so quick to throw Bush under a bus had not been quite so willing to help the Democrats run the man down the party might be in better shape right now. It is easy to blame Bush, but he is not responsible for people like Ney, Foley, Cunningham, DeLay, and the constant fighting over issues like immigration just hurt the party more. I am not saying people should not stand up for what they believe in, but some of the rhetoric was over the top. The fact that Bush is a war time president with a not so loyal opposition to deal with should have given some people pause before they attacked him.

If the Democrats can come together it will be very difficult for Republicans to beat them this year unless they stop with the circular firing squad thing and stick together.

end of lecture.

good night.

Terrye on June 3, 2008 at 11:35 PM

That, my friends, is chaos!

TheSitRep on June 3, 2008 at 11:39 PM

Squid Shark on June 3, 2008 at 11:16 PM

Point taken.

He still looked weak by contrast. He shoulda just stayed home.

Rhinoboy on June 3, 2008 at 11:44 PM

Hillary: I must rock on a bit longer

Well, Obama might get shot, or some such thing as that. You just never know.

labrat on June 3, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Hillary uses an Aerosmith literary allusion, “Rock On” in tonight’s speech.

Aeorsmith also sang “Janie’s Got a Gun”.

localmalcontent on June 4, 2008 at 12:49 AM

Don’t you just love the concept of superdelegates? A microcosm of the statist elitism that is the steel fist inside a Dem’s velvet glove.

shaken on June 4, 2008 at 12:51 AM

If the Democrats can come together

They can’t and won’t

it will be very difficult for Republicans to beat them this year

There are no Republicans running this year, only a Democrat and a Marxist. McCain’s Navy wins in a walk.

unless they stop with the circular firing squad thing and stick together.

“L” shaped kill zones are best

end of lecture.

ditto

good night.

Buenas noches.

Mojave Mark on June 4, 2008 at 1:05 AM

It was strange how Terry McAuliffe introduced her as the “next president of the U.S. of A….and all that followed. It was surreal.

Buenas noches Mojave Mark.

Entelechy on June 4, 2008 at 1:14 AM

This is the fecal icing on the cake.

Brutal, but truly unique and on target…with toothpaste filling.

Entelechy on June 4, 2008 at 1:16 AM

Here’s something odd… as recently as a few weeks ago Obama would have been stupid to take Hillary as his VP… she would be a huge liability to “Mr. Likable”, but not so many of her people are talking about McCain it’s almost like he’s on the verge of having to pick her. Which is some ways is scary, if you consider the turnout in the Dem primaries… BUT, I hope every PAC and 527 or whatever will be clipping this and playing it over, and over, and over and over throughout the election, if indeed she is his VP pick. Hell, even if she isn’t, but especially if she is:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/03/video-the-commander-in-chief-test/

Talk about a way to doom a campaign – having a video playing on everyone’s TV every night, showing the VP candidate saying the guy she’s running with doesn’t have the stuff, and pretty much saying the opponent does. Oh it’s so juicy. RNC, are you paying attention!?

RightWinged on June 4, 2008 at 1:28 AM

Hey. Hey, My, My
Hillary Clinton will never die
Cause it’s better to burn out
Than to fade away
Hey, Hey, My, My

BDU-33 on June 4, 2008 at 1:40 AM

That’s my Socialist Dictator! Push it all the way to the convention HRC!

Browncoatone on June 4, 2008 at 2:32 AM

Go Hillary Go!!! That’s my nuclear girl!

jdun on June 4, 2008 at 2:40 AM

Third Party Hillary!

Third Party Hillary!

Disaffected Dems need a new home!

Fight on! Obama’s an upstart who need to be humbled!

profitsbeard on June 4, 2008 at 3:04 AM

Well McCain did not have a rock band to open for him either. Obama employs lots of tricks to get the people out.

Really, I don’t think that matters very much. Whatever kind of stuff Obama is doing, he is still in a statistical tie with McCain. After all the money spent and the adoring robotic crowds, when it comes down to it…this election is looking really close. The media will have to try harder to win it for their guy Obama.

Terrye on June 3, 2008 at 11:21 PM

So, how many of the people were there for the free concert and ended up giving tacit approval to Obama? The media wants people to think that everyone was there to show their support for Obama.

Does anyone remember the last time a Democrat got over 50% of the popular vote?

It was Jimmah Carter.

And he got 50.1%

And he had executive branch experience (Governor)

And he was better at the “crypto” part of Crypto-Marxism than Obama is.

Sure, Obama will get the lemmings. But anyone who looks at what the man stands for will realize that it is 100% in agreement with the Preamble to the CONSTITUTION OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 4:44 AM

The fact that Bush is a war time president with a not so loyal opposition to deal with should have given some people pause before they attacked him.

Terrye on June 3, 2008 at 11:35 PM

Indeed. Go back and listen to what was said and sung by our elected representatives in Congress on 9/11/2001.

How long did that pledged support for our President last?

They supported our military intervention in Afghanistan, but chose to make Iraq their turning point.

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 4:51 AM

Hillary just said, “I’ll make no decisions tonight…” followed by thunderous applause.
Wow, I’ve never heard such applause for indecision in a presidential candidate in my life. Speaks volumes.
I haven’t heard a single, intelligent policy argument that wasn’t infused with emotional banter or ad hominem fallacies, and they love her for it. How long have people been studying political philosophy again? Based upon how she’s stating her case for why she should be president, I’d have thought we were in our infancy in terms of our ability to reason. Maybe we are…

Send_Me on June 4, 2008 at 4:51 AM

Hillary uses an Aerosmith literary allusion, “Rock On” in tonight’s speech.

Aeorsmith also sang “Janie’s Got a Gun”.

localmalcontent on June 4, 2008 at 12:49 AM

Wow. Just wow. It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if Hillary knows that.

Hillary wants the nomination. If she can’t get it by pursuading the super delegates between now and the convention, she will proabably find a way to add Obama to this list.

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 5:01 AM

Guess which organization really does have 57 states.

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 5:47 AM

I think McCain is the best candidate Republicans could have nominated this year. I know there are people who do not want to hear that, but considering the times, it is the truth.

Terrye on June 3, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Perhaps, but is he the best McCain we could have gotten?

Ever read Red Pill’s scenarios of how we got snookered into getting McCain? Hear about the numbers of crossovers in Florida in Op. Chaos-reverse? Could/should Mitt and Huckabee and Fred soldiered on longer, so that combined they and their delegates had some clout with McCain? Could the Republican nomination have been stretched out until the convention, or just longer?

If any/some of this had happened, we might have gotten a McCain who was more beholden to conservatives. So even if your thesis is correct, that McCain is the right candidate for this election, it’s the wrong McCain.

JiangxiDad on June 4, 2008 at 5:54 AM

Follow the link and realize that Russia is an observer, but China is not.

I think Obama is backed by the Russian Communists, while Hillary is backed by the Chinese Communists.

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 5:55 AM

And I should have added that if McCain gives us any more of those snorers like he did last night, he can hang it up. It sounded like listening to some dead senator talking to an empty chamber in the middle of the night on C-span.

In the tv age, he’s be advised to pick someone more youthful for VP, or get some naked cheerleaders in a mosh pit in front of the podium.

JiangxiDad on June 4, 2008 at 6:02 AM

JiangxiDad on June 4, 2008 at 5:54 AM

Thank you, JiangxiDad. People need to understand how McCain is giving the finger to conservatives. Look at what McCain did here. If McCain had not had CNN cancel the February 28th debate, and refused to accept the invitation to the replacement debate set up by the Values Voter coalition for March 3, you can bet that McCain would have been put on the spot about quite a number of issues, not the least of which would have been immigration.

McCain would have been forced to take a more conservative stand on any issue discussed in the debate. That is why McCain refused to debate.

I believe McCain is a Crypto-Marxist, just like Clinton and Obama are. That is why none of those three can be our next President.

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 6:12 AM

Hey Red- McCain’s not anything. That’s precisely what’s wrong with him, and why he’s able to support stuff from both sides of the political spectrum. He doesn’t even appear to be a skillful administrator like Mitt apparently is. But, he’s concerned about the well-being of the military, which is vitally important to me, and he is good on Iraq and other national defense issues, except the border.

I don’t have any reasons, religious or otherwise, to expect any other candidates.

JiangxiDad on June 4, 2008 at 6:21 AM

And I should have added that if McCain gives us any more of those snorers like he did last night, he can hang it up. It sounded like listening to some dead senator talking to an empty chamber in the middle of the night on C-span.

JiangxiDad on June 4, 2008 at 6:02 AM

I agree.

In the tv age, he’s be advised to pick someone more youthful for VP, or get some naked cheerleaders in a mosh pit in front of the podium.

How about we raise a ruckus of our own between now and our convention, and tell McCain to “put the mike down and step away from the nomination”?

I have a feeling that scandals may surface that force both Obama and McCain to step down from their party’s nominations.

Even if McCain doesn’t step down, the Ron Paul supporters may find a way to keep McCain from winning, and a different nominee could emerge from the convention. Or, McCain picks Huckabee as his VP, wins the general election, and then either scandal or health issue forces McCain to step down before the inauguration.

I don’t know how it will happen, but Mike Huckabee will be the next President of the United States.

And I challenge anyone to find a pro-Huckabee comment of mine from earlier than February 8, 2008. I was using the login name ITookTheRedPill at that time. (For anyone unfamiliar with why it changed to Red Pill, read this.)

My pro-Huckabee comments began only after:
1) Mitt Romney suspended his campaign, and
2) The Holy Spirit told me that Mike Huckabee will be the next POTUS.

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 6:29 AM

As of this morning, she still has not conceded. She may be getting ready to launch her “scorched earth initiative” and take what is remaining of the wreckage of her campaign all the way to Denver. If that happens, any chance of “unity” in the Democratic Party will go singing down the drain.

Not saying this would be a bad thing, of course.

pilamaye on June 4, 2008 at 7:03 AM

The Holy Spirit told me that Mike Huckabee will be the next POTUS.

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 6:29 AM

Dude.

Aristotle on June 4, 2008 at 7:07 AM

Folks just don’t get it! SHE IS THE NOMINEE, AND SHE KNOWS IT!!

Those superdelegates who have “committed” to Obama have done no such thing – they’ve only said IN PRIVATE their desires to support Obama. When the convention gets underway, WATCH them vote for Hillary.

While this Larry Johnson may not be trustworthy, there is something out there on Obama. Hillary knows it and will give it to some “Republican” group. Between now and the convention it will be leaked to the press. No matter how much in the tank they are for Obama, they will run with it. Scandal trumps loyalty in the media.

Folks, SHE ISN’T ACTING LIKE SOMEONE WHO LOST. This isn’t a brave face she’s putting on; she knows something we don’t and acts like a gambler who has an ace up her proverbial sleeve.

Obama is toast. McCain is toast. We’re toast!

papabryant on June 4, 2008 at 7:18 AM

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 6:12 AM

And you want a religious nut case as president. Huck is an embarrassment to all who have religious faith. A two-bit preacher, leeching off the emotions of the faithful to retain power. He is a reflection of his counter part Rev. Wright, except he uses different emotional words, and he chose the political path to support his faith, instead of a faithful path to support his politics…he is just a mirror image of Rev. Wright.

right2bright on June 4, 2008 at 7:24 AM

Folks, SHE ISN’T ACTING LIKE SOMEONE WHO LOST. This isn’t a brave face she’s putting on; she knows something we don’t and acts like a gambler who has an ace up her proverbial sleeve.

Obama is toast. McCain is toast. We’re toast!

papabryant on June 4, 2008 at 7:18 AM

Everything except that last sentence.

right2bright on June 4, 2008 at 7:26 AM

I wish the Republicans had nominated at least a half decent candidate with SOME principles to face Barry. But I guess we’re stuck with this tool.

malan89 on June 3, 2008 at 11:00 PM

The text of McCain’s speech last night was great. He laid out broad conservative principles (opposition to big government and high taxes) while distancing himself from Bush by pointing out the areas where he publicly disagreed with Bush. He also introduced his speech by congratulating Hillary on winning the popular vote, talking about how inspiring she is to women, and then saying “but the Democratic party leadership has determined that Obama is who I will face in November.” That is, he’s pushing a “selected, not elected” meme about Obama. Finally, he talked about how all of Obama’s ideas are old (“for such a young man”), very liberal, and not “change we can believe in.”

The problem is his delivery was horrible. Very awkward, very slow. Definitely gave the impression he was up past his bed time.

Outlander on June 4, 2008 at 7:31 AM

I believe McCain is a Crypto-Marxist, just like Clinton and Obama are.

Nonsense. Put up or shut up.

DrSteve on June 4, 2008 at 7:40 AM

Could Hillary force herself on to the ticket as VP?

I mean, technically isn’t the VP selected by the delegates just like the President?

If Hillary can convince enough delegates that support Obama that Obama really needs her as VP whatever Obama says…

It seems to me that if Obama doesn’t announce a VP candidate within the month he could have a lot of trouble picking anyone but Hillary.

Sackett on June 4, 2008 at 8:36 AM

The text of McCain’s speech last night was great.

…The problem is his delivery was horrible. Very awkward, very slow. Definitely gave the impression he was up past his bed time.

Outlander on June 4, 2008 at 7:31 AM

Yeah, would have probably sounded better on radio than TV. Lots of politicians do. But after the speech, some talking head came on to “explain” who John McCain was and what he meant. I found myself immediately reaching for the remote to shut the tv thinking that I don’t need to hear anyone telling me who John McCain is, that after all these years I know exactly who he is.

I think he will have a very hard time coming across as something new or fresh, not to mention exciting. Luckily, he is a running against a candidate who is fake new and fresh. Pointing this out repeatedly will be necessary to counter McCain’s age.

JiangxiDad on June 4, 2008 at 8:39 AM

DrSteve on June 4, 2008 at 7:40 AM

Both “Agents of Intolerance” and McCain-Kennedy are fully consistent with the Program of the Communist Party USA.

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 9:17 AM

DrSteve on June 4, 2008 at 7:40 AM

Plus there’s the fact that the same Vietnam veterans who where considered “good guys” last election when they told the truth about John Kerry, have this to say about John McCain.

Specifically related to whether or not John McCain could be a Crypto-Marxist, see this.

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 9:22 AM

Red Pill on June 4, 2008 at 9:22 AM

They were idiots whith their unfounded crap about Kerry, they are still idiots.

Squid Shark on June 4, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Folks just don’t get it! SHE IS THE NOMINEE, AND SHE KNOWS IT!!

papabryant on June 4, 2008 at 7:18 AM

She really is very serene and optimistic for somebody who supposedly just lost what she has been working towards for 40 years.

She either knows something we do not or that whiskey she is drinkig is magic.

EJDolbow on June 4, 2008 at 11:08 AM

EJ,

Try the last three paragraphs of Maureen “I can’t get a date” Dowd’s latest. Obama knows what’s up. His wife even alluded to just what Dowd is talking about about 5-6 weeks ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/opinion/04dowd.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&ref=opinion&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

papabryant on June 4, 2008 at 1:10 PM