On jihad: Maybe State had a point
posted at 10:38 am on June 2, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Not long ago, the State Department issued a directive to its personnel ending the use of the words “jihad” and “jihadi” in relation to terrorism. At the time, it appeared to be a way of making nice with moderate Muslims and separating radical Islamic terrorism from, well, radical Islam. Today, though, P. W. Singer and Elina Noor argue in the New York Times that calling a terrorist a “jihadi” pays him a high compliment and might even be seen as an acknowledgment by infidels of the rightness of the terrorist’s cause:
The word “jihad” means to “strive” or “struggle,” and in the Muslim world it has traditionally been used in tandem with “fi sabilillah” (“in the path of God”). The term has long been taken to mean either a quest to find one’s faith or an external fight for justice. It makes sense, then, for terrorists to associate themselves with a term that has positive connotations. For the United States to support them in that effort, however, is a fundamental strategic mistake.
First, to call a terrorist a “jihadist” or “jihadi” effectively puts any campaign against terrorism into the framework of an existential battle between the West and Islam. This feeds into the worldview propagated by Al Qaeda. It also serves to isolate the tens of millions of Muslims who condemn the violence that has been perpetrated in the name of Islam.
Second, these words locate the ideological battle exactly where the extremists want it to be. The terms of discussion are no longer about the murder of innocents in terrorist acts; they are about theology.
Third, when American leaders use this language it sends a confusing message to the Muslim world, showing ignorance on basic issues and possibly even raising doubts about American motives. Why, after all, would we call our enemy a “holy warrior”?
If we want to say what we mean, what terms better describe Qaeda members and other violent extremists? “Muharib” or the more colloquial “hirabi” or “hirabist” would be good places to start. “Hirabah,” the base word, is a term for barbarism or piracy. Unlike “jihad,” which grants honor, “hirabah” brings condemnation; it involves unlawful violence and disorder.
Or, as Singer and Noor conclude, we could just use the Western term for terrorists: terrorists. Some news agencies may balk at this effort, but it has the simplicity of truth. That term correctly identifies their activities and their strategies without any confusion or ambiguity, as hirabi might cause with people unfamiliar with the term.
Most of us who use the term jihad do so with an ironic intent, a manner of belittling these grandiose fantasies of Islamist terrorists that they kill women and children for their concept of the Almighty. Irony doesn’t translate well, though, and the impression could be left that we honor thesenutcases rather than ridicule them.
Singer and Noor note that FDR would never have called Hitler an “Aryan patriot”. He wouldn’t have called Tojo a “samurai”, either, despite the bushido code he and the militants instilled in the Japanese in the years leading up to their invasion of China and conquest of Manchuria. Those terms would have given a very mixed message to our enemies, in essence strengthening the credibility of their lunatic racial arguments. Why, then, should we bolster the credibility of Islamic lunatics by even suggesting that their activities have the sanction of God?










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Yes, calling them jihadi makes it sound like they are fighting for God and going against evil Western crusaders.
bnelson44 on June 2, 2008 at 10:40 AM
I’ve got a couple of ideas for names we could call them!
I think post moderation will make is difficult to express them, though.
MadisonConservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:43 AM
I never understood the term jihadist, they are terrorist…or you could call them a liberal democrat.
right2bright on June 2, 2008 at 10:44 AM
We could just call them godless Communists and be done with it…
I R A Darth Aggie on June 2, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Savage hirabis. Sounds good to me.
JiangxiDad on June 2, 2008 at 10:48 AM
I’m going with worm food.
bbz123 on June 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM
ISLAMIC terrorists, Liberal Democrats with towels on their heads,without towels are just plain old terrorists!
Perhaps Pelosi is a little of each.
dhunter on June 2, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Speaking of terrorists, Barry’s friend Mahmoud says Israel will soon disappear.
Clearly we must negotiate unconditionally with this man.
amerpundit on June 2, 2008 at 10:52 AM
… what terms better describe Qaeda members and other violent extremists?
Ali Baba?
Tony737 on June 2, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Perhaps the State Department could do their part by calling a spade a spade. Islamic terrorists works for me. Or they could refer to them as ‘the little jihadists.”
Connie on June 2, 2008 at 10:52 AM
If so, was an accident.
JiangxiDad on June 2, 2008 at 10:55 AM
I’m going with worm food. – bbz123
I love it! How ’bout “Dead Meat”?
Tony737 on June 2, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Islamic theology to be exact.
mred on June 2, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Those killed by Hirabi as opposed to Jihad are no less dead. The concept that what we in the West label these people as has any bearing on what they do, or will continue to do is ludicrous.
It is simply another attempt to completely seperate the violence perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam, from Islam.
Ironicly, we should’nt be worrying about what we label them at all, but rather address their actions. What are we to do when they declare jihad themsleves, as so many of them frequently do?
I wholeheartedly disagree with your tacit approval of dropping the jihad term here, Ed.
awake on June 2, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Hey Ed check out that feature that appears every Sunday on HA.
It is called “Blogging the Qur’an”. It might clear up some of your ignorance on this matter.
mred on June 2, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Jihad what they are doing and their aim is a global theocratic tyranny.
Calling it something else distracts from the seriousness of this war.
And pretends that the ideology of Islam is not the root cause of their terror.
profitsbeard on June 2, 2008 at 11:06 AM
hahaha!
blind squirrels, etc., etc.
trubble on June 2, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Barbarian translates well.
Maquis on June 2, 2008 at 11:10 AM
It’s not a matter of pretending Islamic ideology isn’t the root cause, it’s a matter of not accidentally referring to them as people in the path of God searching for justice.
amerpundit on June 2, 2008 at 11:11 AM
They are heretics following the cult of Sayyid Qutb.
They should be called ‘Qutbists’.
It doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue, I know, but there you are.
Ken McCracken on June 2, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Jihadists are for killing. That they are all Muslim is to be blamed on Islam’s reckless foreign policies.
Perhaps if we didn’t call the Germans Nazis in WW2 they would have surrendered sooner?
Maybe if you didn’t call southerners Rebels, the Civil war might have been more civil?
Lets show Islam how much we respect it and it will treat us right. Perhaps dropping to one knee when near a mosque, or stepping off a sidewalk into the street when Muslims approach.
Relax, we’ll have relative peace till after the election. then we can work on appeasing Islam seriously.
BL@KBIRD on June 2, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Interesting article…
I’ve asked for a couple of years now, on various sites, what the Moslems want us to call these guys, and could never get an answer.
We need a name, a name for these guys that all can decided to call them… whether Moslem or Western. We need to be able to seperate out the enemies from the herd of nonviolent Islam, or we will have to obliterate Islam… which is problematic.
Key here would be to get a moderate Imam to buy off on this with a “ruling” that we can then site…
Muharib…. I like it.
Romeo13 on June 2, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Which is exactly why the action of “suicide bombers” should be labeled “HOMICIDE BOMBERS”——which is the ACTION they commit.
Rovin on June 2, 2008 at 11:16 AM
the problem is that not all Jihadists, are terrorists.
Its too big of a term, with too many meanings.
Its like saying Warrior… is that a soldier? someone fighting for a cause? A barbarian? or a member of a Basketball team?
Warrior does not describe an enemy combatant… it just describes one who fights… so to fight against ALL warriors would be silly, as it puts some warriors who were not against you in the described enemy camp.
Romeo13 on June 2, 2008 at 11:20 AM
ameripundit- 11:11 AM-
But they are people “on the path of Allah” and they do consider themselves as “searching for Islamic ‘justice’“, which means the humbling of ALL infidels and the dominance of Islam.
(Let Muslims who disagree with this argue with their terroristic jihadis.)
But let’s fight them for what they are:
Self-declared fundamentalist adherents to the pure Islam that their founding warlord Mohammad practiced.
Without confronting this central aspect of teroristic Koranic/Islamic belief (they they deserve to rule and enslave the world with Allah’s blessing and imprimatur), it will never be forced to change.
profitsbeard on June 2, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Gee, “tens of millions” out of what…1.4 billion Muslims? I guess the moderates are the “tiny minority” we keep hearing about.
flipflop on June 2, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Let’s not forget that the State Department and the Administration screwed this up from the beginning by allowing Muslim propaganda groups to redefine Islam.
Connie on June 2, 2008 at 11:28 AM
What’s Arabic for “shithead”?
Tantor on June 2, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Tango, as in Dead Tango.
Stephen M on June 2, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Somehow that doesn’t seem like a real comforting thought.
And where are all the non-terroristic Jihadists?
Unless you mean those pursuing the “soft “(slow demographic change, legalistic harrassment method, infiltration mode, cultural dominance through special deals for Islam like footbaths at airports and colleges and not having to allow “unclean” guide dogs or alcohol in your cab) Jihad.
Whose aims are the same, and, thus, not exactly reassuring or encouraging.
Jihad, itself, is the problem, because it struggles to enslave us all within a global theocratic gulag.
profitsbeard on June 2, 2008 at 11:29 AM
To de-link them with the word jihad would be to de-link them from Islam, which is the far more dangerous view for the West to take. The violence inherent in Islam must be faced, not disguised. Al-Qaeda is very much a product of Islam, not a random group of thugs that could have appeared from any other religion. The only difference between jihad then and now is the WMDs.
We need the great Robert Spencer’s word about this.
Halley on June 2, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Savages, primitives, cavemen, neanderthals?
How about getting to the root of their religious beliefs and calling them “ladies”? No offense meant to women, but lets face it, a misogynist wouldn’t accept such a moniker well.
Bishop on June 2, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Point is…
Would you rather have us saying to Islam…
Today, we killed 10 more “Holy Warriors fighting for your religion who have gone on to the busom of Allah” (Jihad)…
or…
Today, we killed 10 more “Islamic barbarians” (Muharib)
Romeo13 on June 2, 2008 at 11:33 AM
What’s Arabic for “shithead”?
Tantor on June 2, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Barack Hussein Oba….wait, will McCain get on my case if I continue?
Bishop on June 2, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Romeo13- 11:33 PM-
We should say to Islam:
Clean up your maniacs.
(And: “Reform the terror our of your Koran” would be helpful, too.)
profitsbeard on June 2, 2008 at 11:36 AM
I don’t know, flipflop. The roar of those tens of millions of moderate muslims is, it’s, it’s silent.
TimothyJ on June 2, 2008 at 11:36 AM
This is a great point Ed. The manner in which words are used is too easily nuanced by people with nefarious ideals. People like BO, Hillary, Amadinnerjacket, Lawyers, Al Bore, NYT, WaPo, NPR, etc.
kirkill on June 2, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Oh, I agree that Islam is the root cause of the problem… but I think we should USE Islamis idiocy to solve it as well.
Problem is that right now, every time we kill an Islamist, we are defacto making a Martyr.
If we kille a Muharib, we are killing a barbarian. Link the idea in the public mind that it is an ISLAMIC Muharib for a bit… and the two terms will become linked in the public mind… then you can drop Islamic…
Romeo13 on June 2, 2008 at 11:40 AM
To Nazis, being called a Nazi is a also a compliment. And yet, everybody agrees that in non-Nazi circles, calling someone a Nazi is a great insult. When Jihadi becomes synonimous with it’s real meaning, it won’t matter. Out task is not to give or take as to Jihadis’ personal feelings – but to make it unacceptable in non-Jihadi circles.
Stating the truth about Jihad as a violent war against unbelievers will do just that. Refraining from doing it will allow CAIR another day at obfuscating the facts.
Aristotle on June 2, 2008 at 11:40 AM
We understand the point. But it’s like trying to redefine yellow after 1400 years. It’s too late. It won’t make that big a difference and it will only make things more confusing to those who are finally deciding to learn about what we are fighting. I kind of like the old KISS.
Connie on June 2, 2008 at 11:45 AM
I absolutely agree with this change in terminology and I will tell you why. We don’t have in our language a word that translates to “jihad” but we do have the concept. The notion that a religious person should always do what is right and struggle to do what is right even when it isn’t the easy thing to do. Maybe the closest word we have is “righteous”. Now how would we feel if there was a call to the “righteous” Christians to stand up and do the right thing and the opposition press was attempting to demonize “the righteous”? It might just increase our will to fight. If you were to read an article where some country that practices another religion has declared war on “righteous Christians”, how would that make you feel? So for us to use “jihad” in that context actually validates their cause. We are admitting that they are righteous in their duty.
By calling what they do “hirabah” we have given them a label that nobody in that religion can feel good about. Hirabah is a crime and punishable in Sharia.
Calling them Jihadis is EXACTLY what OBL wants us to do and in so doing, we help mobilize his minions for him.
crosspatch on June 2, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Why dignify them with Muslim terminology, or make a ham-handed attempt to insult them using their own theology? Let them do the translating. If Barbarian translates to Muharib, then so be it, they’ll figure it out, Barbarians it is.
Also, if the “vast majority of peaceful Muslims” have problems with being identified with their more religiously active brethren, then they themselves have some policing to do. We need to stop being so damned sensitive to the terrorist breeding populace and insult and kill the barbarians amongst them until they take some action themselves. How the hell do you kill an enemy you don’t even have the courage to mock? Good Grief.
Maquis on June 2, 2008 at 11:47 AM
I have always labeled them ‘gangster thugs’ because that is the way they act. The religious piety is mere camouflage.
If you rob, rape, and murder in the name of god, it is still robbery, rape, and murder.
rockhauler on June 2, 2008 at 11:48 AM
The terrorists or the dimacrats?
kcd on June 2, 2008 at 11:50 AM
How ’bout “JDAM fodder.”
CurtZHP on June 2, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Jihadist works for me.
or takfirist
or salafist
or wahhabist
or islamist
“terrorist” is too broad and just takes away from the situation and people we are dealing with
blatantblue on June 2, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Agreed. Of course it depends on which “God” you are doing this in the name of, as to wheather or not He is pleased….
kcd on June 2, 2008 at 11:53 AM
“Irhabi” is the usual Arabic translation of “terrorist.” And if our old buddy Adam Gadahn turns up alive somewhere, I’m told that “fat traitor” can be translated as “kha’in badeen.”
Jobius on June 2, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Problem is, all bombers are homicide bombers. So how do you distinguish between the kind that straps on the explosives and kills himself in the hope of murdering a dozen shoppers from the kind that sets a timing device and then slinks away.
factoid on June 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Much simpler: “to strive or struggle”, especially with religious overtones, has a word, in English: crusade. That’s what “jihad” means. The translation is, in fact, much more exact than normal for such a complex concept.
A “jihadi” is a Crusader. Simply employing the literal translation would go a long way toward doing what we want.
Regards,
Ric
warlocketx on June 2, 2008 at 12:06 PM
The correct name is Islam.
MB4 on June 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Of course it’s not OUR job to decide what the word “Jihad” means. If there really are all those so-called “moderate Muslims” out there who believe the terrorists are misusing the term, then it’s THEIR job to do something about it.
If the Nazis had referred to their mass-murders as “Communion,” then would we demand that Jews ferret out what that word really means? Of course not. It would have been up to the Catholics of the world to scream their heads off. And it’d be perfectly fair to assume that every one who didn’t have any problem with that would have been a Nazi sympathizer.
If the liberals’ tooth-and-nail defense of Islamic terrorism weren’t so tragic, it would be hilarious. Every time you see one of these crazy excuses for The Religion Of Submission’s atrocities, just substitute the word “Presbyterian”, or pretty much any other religion, for the word “Islam” and all of a sudden the PC-feel-goodism turns into a moronic farce.
But somehow the rules of logic, common sense and even basic civilized behavior itself are all freely waived when we happen to be talking about Islam. Why is that?
logis on June 2, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Whatever. Just as long as we can look forward to calling them dead.
Halley on June 2, 2008 at 12:15 PM
رئيس اللعنه
Holmes on June 2, 2008 at 12:16 PM
We call them jihadis because that’s what they call themselves. By the way, the correct arabic term for terrorist is irhabi and they don’t usually call themselves that because they self-identify more with the religious aspect of their crusade. Plus, they are actively engaging in propaganda directed to the world at large and to the Muslim world in particular.
secarr on June 2, 2008 at 12:17 PM
FloatingRock on June 2, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Mother pflegers!
dont taze me bro on June 2, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Which elevates Shari’a to being a good thing.
Connie on June 2, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I’m all for Hirabi. . . that sounds good to me. Lets educate. Lord knows the media doesn’t want to call them ‘Islamists’. . . or ‘Christianophobes’. Hirabi is good enough for me. I never used the term jihadi that I can recall anyhow.
ThackerAgency on June 2, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Not really. . . it speaks to them in terms that they understand. If we can get them to make their people quit killing innocent people, it doesn’t really matter what they think our stand on sharia is. . . so long as they recognize the actions of these terrorists as something that must be stopped out of humanity.
ThackerAgency on June 2, 2008 at 12:34 PM
I think a more analogous question would be: would FDR have called Nazi soldiers, “Nazi soldiers” or “German nationalists”, for example? The fact that the Jihadists justify their actions with Islam, and that Muslims around the world don’t dispute it, reveals what their proper name is. Trying to unlink Jihadists from the ideology which drives their actions makes as much sense as trying to unlink Nazi soldiers from Nazism.
FloatingRock on June 2, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Humanity to trump the Koran with them? Oh, good luck with that.
MB4 on June 2, 2008 at 12:41 PM
The word is “Muslims”.
A lot of people (especially liberals) aren’t capable of understanding, literally, the first thing about Islam. We are not talking about a different number of prayers and a differently-shaped church. Islam and Christianity are FUNDAMENTALLY different.
Judeo-Christian ethos is based on individually doing good things (i.e., the Ten Commandments.)
Islam is nothing like that. It is a fundamentally territorial religion. The prime goal is to gain more land and converts for Allah. HOW that gets done doesn’t really matter. That’s why lately you may hear some Muslims criticize Islamic terrorists. But they don’t CONDEMN them.
When we describe Islamic terrorism as “evil,” that falls on deaf ears. Our definition of that word means nothing to Muslims. The so-called “moderate Muslims” are slowly beginning to oppose terrorism, not because it’s fundamentally wrong, but because it’s simply not working – or better yet counterproductive – at expanding the influence of Islamic Empire.
I’ve heard moderate Muslims use the word “adventurist” to describe Osama bin Ladin and his ilk. That’s not a word you use to condemn a criminal. It’s more like a shareholder complaining about over-leveraging his company’s assets. He’s not being evil, he’s just taking the wrong tack for the current situation.
logis on June 2, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Sorry, Ed, but Idisagree with you strongly here:
We aren’t bolstering them. They don’t need our support to believe in what they do. They are terrorists and they are, by their own definition and by orthodox Islam “jihadis,” and what they are doing is waging “jihad” in the name of Allah. To refuse to use those words when they’re clearly applicable is to refuse to understand our enemies for what they are and to engage in intellectual self-disarmament.
irishspy on June 2, 2008 at 12:47 PM
In medieval times, people created fairy tales and magical creatures to make sense of their world. One of the most endearing is the unicorn, a horse with a single horn that symbolized purity and wholesomeness. In our modern times, people in Europe and the United States consider themselves more sophisticated and rational than people from the Middle Ages, but we still create myths, albeit more subtle ones.
Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, moderate majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of searching for unicorns.
Moderate Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammad, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No moderate can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammad himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”
Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of moderates, making them irrelevant.
Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for unicorns in the forest.
- A_Plague_on_Both_Houses (JihadWatch)
MB4 on June 2, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Which elevates Shari’a to being a good thing.
Connie on June 2, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Beautiful. Knockout.
Aristotle on June 2, 2008 at 12:53 PM
The four main streams of Shia Islam agree that what these rat bags are doing is Jihad. Who are we to deny the faith.
davod on June 2, 2008 at 1:02 PM
DoD teaches the same thing in our cultural awareness classes. It made sense to me, but a bunch of smart people at LGF slapped me down as stupid for thinking it was a good idea at the time.
BadgerHawk on June 2, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Sorry. I meant Sunni Islam in my 1:02 pm post.
davod on June 2, 2008 at 1:04 PM
“DoD teaches the same thing in our cultural awareness classes.” It depends on who they get their information from. Recently, it was disclosed that the Army was sending its troops to an Islamic School in Fairfax county. The previous year the school was in hot water for using Saudi textbooks which were not exactly friendly to the Western lifestyle.
davod on June 2, 2008 at 1:07 PM
The problem with doublethink and newspeak is that by concealing the truth they are indefensible. Perhaps if we make the term “Jihadi” punishable by law then defending the newspeak terms that replace it will no longer be an issue and we call all revel in our rhetorical victory over the enemy.
FloatingRock on June 2, 2008 at 1:07 PM
2 points.
I agree with aristotle (above): no sweat if jihadi becomes a forsaken word outside Islam–perhaps this is even best, if it undermines/shames Islamists from championing jihad long-term, even if the terrorists like the term–just like Nazis and Fascists liked those terms at the time.
Second, I think “Crusader” is indeed a pretty good translation of jihadi; but I think Arabic uses the term “salibi” for Crusader. Such use would blow. their. minds. But only in my dreams will I ever hear a newscaster say, “Today, Islamic salibi(Crusader) Osama Bin Laden issued another…”
G. Charles on June 2, 2008 at 1:10 PM
On the subject of newspeak, if we redefine “victory” in the war on terrorism to mean that Jihadi’s are wiped out, and then eliminate the word “jihadi” from our vocabulary, we can declare total victory in the war and get back to our own lives.
FloatingRock on June 2, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Not sure if this has been alluded to, but…
We should call them “Jihadists” because that is what they are shooting, or bombing for. If the so-called “moderates” don’t like one of their words being appropriated and used in such a negative fashion, then let them pick up a weapon and help the non-Islamic World do something about it. They’re the ones in need of, and would benefit from an Islamic Reformation, not us. Otherwise, the “moderate” Muslims are ‘saying’ they agree with how the word is being used….and that makes them no less the enemy.
dmh0667 on June 2, 2008 at 1:16 PM
I don’t know if the Muslim world gives a damn about what Arabic word we borrow to refer to these terrorists so maybe this whole discussion is not terribly meaningful, but consider this:
When you refer to bin Laden and his ilk as a jihadi, you are calling him a holy warrior. Think about it for a moment. Is this really how you want to refer to maniacal mass murderers whose idea of success is killing and maiming civilians (Christians, Jews and Muslims) in an effort to reestablish a social order that most of the world left behind thirteen hundred years ago?
factoid on June 2, 2008 at 1:18 PM
A duck by any other name is still a duck.
FloatingRock on June 2, 2008 at 1:19 PM
They are following in the footsteps of Mohammed, who said “I have been made successful with terror”, which is absolutely true. When he preached tolerance and love, no one followed him, but when he started winning a few battles and divvying up booty, he became more popular. Mohammed called what he did “jihad”. They [Al-Quaeda et al.] are therefore “jihadists”. Not calling them jihadists obfuscates the fact that Islam is the motor of the engine driving these people.
Quite frankly, even if every Muslim followed the letter of Sharia in regards to “infidels”, non-Muslims still end up as dhimmis, so the end game is not really any better, except to the extent that it’s better to be alive and “feel oneself subdued” than to be dead. In other words, it’s better if you’re a coward.
venividivici on June 2, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Muslim spokespersons complain that ‘jihad’ has multiple meanings and that the greater jihad reflects the inner struggle to follow the supposed true path. The lesser jihad is what we recognize in muslim daily practice.
Actually, lesser jihadist has a demeaning measure to it. That’ll work.
heroyalwhyness on June 2, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
This is a mssive exercise in PCism. We need to call these people jihadists because that is what they are. We also need to let the Muslim world know that jihad is no longer an activity that we will tolerate. This interpretation of jihad as a “struggle for justice” is correct only in the sense that “justice” is making dar al-harb into dar al-islam.
I understand that these people at State are trying to do the things that will help us win, but on this one, they are dead wrong. Besides, the people who are attracted to Al-Qeada and other fundamentalist Islamic groups don’t give a damn what infidels or kafirs think. They only care about what they believe Allah tells them through the Quran.
To properly confront our enemy, we must correctly identify him. And he is a jihadist, in his eyes, and in the eyes of those in his circle. End of story.
I acutally have nothing against calling them simply terrorists as long as this is not a tact used to whitewash Islam from the equation. If that is the goal, it is not well thought out, simply an ecercise in grotesque and hurtful PCism.
VolMagic on June 2, 2008 at 1:32 PM
So you’re another pro-jihad Islamic supremacist site now?
Good luck with that.
I really can’t believe anyone is stupid enough to think Muslims are listening to kafir terminology for their spiritual guidance, but suckers are born rapidly.
Beagle on June 2, 2008 at 1:47 PM
That was my idea upthread when I said “little jihadists.” Yours works much better.
~Except for one thing. That would imply the “greater Jihad” is a good thing, and whereas any inner struggle to be a better individual is good, Islam has done nothing to deserve any implied accolades.
Connie on June 2, 2008 at 1:49 PM
I understand that it is a difficult and uncomfortable reality to grasp, but that is exactly how they perceive themselves.
If they are all fighting in the way of Allah, as is mandated in the Qur’an, which is the central tenet of Islam, what difference does it make to them what the infidel calls them.
If this is what the educated right, in regards to understanding Islam has to offer, we are indeed in more serious trouble than originally imagined.
The propaganda is to try to disassociate Islamic terrorism from Islam. We should not be willing to acquiese. The word jihad should be understood in its context by every non-muslim worldwide, not dropped, and Muslims worldwide should be called to task for their subscription to this vicious, intolerant ideology.
awake on June 2, 2008 at 2:03 PM
The IA I work with call ‘em “muharib”. If they are criminal or low level JAM, then they are “Ali Baba”.
I think calling them jihadi is what they want. I don’t use that term, as I don’t know of any legitimate jihad ongoing at the moment…
I usually call them #$%&, m’self.
major john on June 2, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Referring to the small percentage of German National Socialists who actually fire the weapons as “Nazis” is counterproductive. That kind of hate speech only serves to anger the untold millions of MODERATE Nazis out there.
I mean, why punish the innocent people who use the word “Naziism” in its peaceful form? All it means to them is a way of striving for the betterment of all mankind by simply requiring submission to the glory and power of the Fatherland.
How on earth can you hold all the moderate Nazis to blame simply because a small percentage of extremist Nazis use violence to advance that exact same cause under the exact same banner?
logis on June 2, 2008 at 2:04 PM
This is exactly like the recent column which suggested Hitler’s lebensraum plans weren’t so unreasonable. The jihad/hirabi thing is the standard say-what-we-tell-you-dhimmi ploy. Jihad is the expansion of Islam and God’s law on Earth (sharia) until there is no more tumult or oppression (non-Muslims). If you surrender it is less violent than the alternatives.
It’s depressing that Hot Air would be party to it.
Beagle on June 2, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Agreed. I was completely crestfallen by this thread this morning.
awake on June 2, 2008 at 2:08 PM
First, to call a terrorist a “jihadist” or “jihadi” effectively puts any campaign against terrorism into the framework of an existential battle between the West and Islam.
In other words, it accurately frames the situation as an existential battle between the West and Islam.
Flea on June 2, 2008 at 2:17 PM
+1
This thread and the fact that some are in favor of the newspeak effort, here on a reasonably conservative blog, makes me feel like in spite of our relative success in Iraq we are well on our way to losing the war.
FloatingRock on June 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM
First, to call a terrorist a “jihadist” or “jihadi” effectively puts any campaign against terrorism into the framework of an existential battle between the West and Islam.
In other words, it accurately frames the situation as an existential battle between the West and Islam.
Exactly! We are at war with Islam. It has always been so and it will be so until one side or the other wins. Ed has never been able to completely turn away from the idiocy that defines the Bush administration. Islam is peace…yea it is peace. You accept Allah or you die and then you remain at peace.
For the last 1300 years Islam has tried to forcibly spread itself by the sword. Now we are to believe that they have accepted the new idea that you should only spread your calling by UN Mandate.
We are winning in Iraq and losing the rest of the world. Thanks Bush. How about we win Iraq and we take the blinders off and win the rest of the world. Fight back.
Fire the State Department and CIA. Both of them have proven their incompetence over and over again.
PierreLegrand on June 2, 2008 at 3:26 PM
They should be called:
Harami which means “sinner”
and they are also
“Qutbiyyah”, that correct identifies their Islamic theology.
Dale in Atlanta on June 2, 2008 at 4:14 PM
Call them Islamic Warriors who are fighting to spread Islam to the far corners of the world. Call them jihadists who are involved in a struggle to overwhelm the world…
Many of you who argue for State seem to only mind which way we reach submission. Y’all are not in favor of Submission achieved by Al Qaeda’s means but don’t mind if you are enveloped slowly by the spread. The end state matters.
PierreLegrand on June 2, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Harami which means “sinner” and they are also “Qutbiyyah”, that correct identifies their Islamic theology
How can they be sinners when they are following the example of Mohammed? Was he a sinner as well? He converted folks at the edge of a sword, he murdered his slaves, raped the women, and in general raped and looted his way across Saudi Arabia. Is he a sinner?
PierreLegrand on June 2, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Most of these Jihadists get spiritual guidance from an Imam. If the Iman says they are undertaking Jihad then they are undertaking Jihad. They only way to stop this is for a higher Imam or religious authority to rescind the edicts.
I should also say that the four major strains of Sunni Islam all agree on the importance of Jihad (the aggressive form of the defintion of Jihad).
If moderate Muslims take offense at the word Jihad then the moderate Imams need to preach publicly against the immodertae Imams.
“We should call them “Jihadists” because that is what they are shooting, or bombing for. If the so-called “moderates” don’t like one of their words being appropriated and used in such a negative fashion, then let them pick up a weapon and help the non-Islamic World do something about it”
Exactly.
davod on June 2, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Well gee, why dont we learn their whole freakin language and just speak to each other in Arabic. Jesus. Such stupidity.
VinceP1974 on June 2, 2008 at 7:40 PM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021257.php
awake on June 3, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Rethinking my original snarky comment. “Little” is demeaning. “Lesser” validates. “Greater” implies good. Let’s just stick with jihadists. Heck, we don’t even have to use the “Islamic” qualifier with that, as it is implied.
Robert responds perfectly.
Connie on June 3, 2008 at 1:42 PM