He must be hindu. He’s just describing karma.

Does she not realize yet that people in some places TODAY would kill her because they believe their religion tells them its OK to do it ??

It sounds like the question was to get her to acknowledge EVIL, even if it’s being justified by ‘religions beliefs’, which would make it a BAD religious belief…

Sounds to me like by “my values” he simply meant “my Christian values,”

As Barack Hussein Obama is the son of God then… well… of course.

Is the Michelle my belle Obama, “whitey Lied” video, actually available somewhere? I was sorely disappointed to click on one of the headlines on HA and see that stupid music video, yet again…

kcd on June 3, 2008 at 9:31 AM

Don’t get yourself too excited, I think it was a Shillbilly desparado attempt at winning, nothing more.

Well if Beckel is worried then something is firm in the rumor mill. I’m more curious as to who may have it if its true.

flyboy777 on June 3, 2008 at 8:29 AM

If you click on this link under headlines –

Hmmm: Now Bob Beckel dropping hints about a Michelle Obama bombshell 16

Alisyn in the Greenroom’s post about Beckel is suddenly gone replaced by an error 404 message page:

Error 404 – Not Found
Woops! The page you were looking for could not be found.

Try starting at the Alisyn in the Greenroom home page and see if you can find something interesting. Or enter some keywords below to search this blog.

If you enter Bob Beckel’s name in the keyword search nothing comes up which leads me to believe this whole tape story is bogus, something that was put out there by Shillbilly to frighten voters, in only the way they can do it, with sleaze and propaganda; thus the reason Alisyn in the greenroom pulled down the complete post.

People are coming in under the other post for today and asking where the heated discussion went – please bring it back.

Other sources are saying that NPR has done some due diligence on this tape and it is nothing substantial.

We shouldn’t give Obama a pass on this. What if Ahmadinejad defines sin as out of alignment with Ahmadinejad’s values, and decides to punish sinners (in Israel, for example) by blowing them to smithereens with an atomic bomb. What would Obama say? “Oh, sorry, you Israelis were out of alignment with my friend Mahmoud’s values. We’ve gotta talk”.

If everyone’s definition of sin was misalignment with their own personal values, we would have 6 billion different definitions of sin, 6 billion punishments of it, and mass chaos. Saint Paul wrote that “all [human beings] have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, which is why we need God’s values, not our own, to judge sin.

What ARE your values, Barry O? Not getting punished with a baby?

~fixed

He also said the Vanity Fair hit piece on B.J. with all its unnamed sources reminded him of “right wing bloggers”.

If Republican poohbahs have their way the tape will remain on ice until October.

I don’t know how credible roger stone is but he swears his sources are nearly unimpeachable and are saying they’ve seen the tape. Allah has always had a soft place in his heart for barry. barry is a ny kind of guy.

I tend to agree with Jonah on this on. Sin, to the Christian, is being out of alignment with God’s values, not man’s.

I’m curious, is there anything you (not you specifically, alacrityfitzhugh, anyone) would consider a sin, that isn’t named as such specifically in the Bible?

Does beating up your wife trump coveting your neighbor’s ox, on the sin chart?

(That was flip, but I’m not trying to be antagonistic. The idea that your values should match God’s exactly is unusual to me.)

Tanya on June 2, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Only through the Atonement of Jesus Christ can men again be in the presence of God. To simply answer your question “Does beating up your wife trump coveting your neighbor’s ox, on the sin chart?,” both sins require the Atonement of Christ. All sins from simple lust without action to murder require the Atonement of Christ.

If I repent of beating my spouse, but not of coveting my neighbor’s ox, will the Atonement still work for me? The Bible states that I must repent of all my sins, and God will remember them no more.

What are Christians? Christians are people who are disciples of Christ. Disciples are students studying under the Master. The Master is Christ. Therefore for one to be a Disciple of Christ, one must activly work to emulate Christ in all that he said and did. Therefore, if my neighbor is in need, and I walk away, I have sinned. When I have followed my own will and not God’s will, I have sinned. God’s will is for me to help my neighbor, treat my spouse with respect and honor, and to tell my neighbor how lucky he is that God has blessed him with such a fine ox.

Ubama, like all non Christians, will be tortured for eternity in the lake of fire.

SaintOlaf on June 2, 2008 at 9:58 PM

What if you’re wrong? Wouldn’t that be something?

… and maybe they define it differently there.

bnelson44 on June 2, 2008 at 7:44 PM

but then, by definition, it is no longer sin.

For the atheists in the crowd, this is the definition of sin that us frustrated Bible clingin’ gun-toters use

From the Dr. Charles Ryrie –

“In the Hebrew there are at least eight basic words that describe sin: “ra, bad (Genesis 38:7); rasha, wickedness (Exodus 2:13); asham, guilt (Hosea 4:15); chata, sin (Exodus 20:20); avon, iniquity (I Samuel 3:13); shagag, err (Isaiah 28:7); taah, wander away (Ezekiel 48:11); pasha, rebel (I Kings 8:50). The usage of these words leads to certain conclusions about the doctrine of sin in the Old Testament. (1) Sin is, fundamentally, disobedience to God. (2) While disobedience involved both positive and negative ideas, the emphasis was definitely on the positive commission of wrong and not the negative omission of good. In other words, sin was not simply missing the right mark, but hitting the wrong mark. (3) Sin may take many forms, and the Israelite was aware of the particular form which his sin did take.”

“The New Testament uses twelve basic words to describe sin. They are: Kakos, bad (Romans 13:3); poneros, evil (Matthew5:45); asebes, godless (Romans 1:18); enochos, guilt (Matthew 5:21); hamartia, sin (I Corinthians 6:18); adikia, unrighteousness (I Corinthians 6:9); anomos, lawlessness (I Timothy 2:9); parabates, transgression (Romans 5:14); agnoein, to be ignorant (Romans 1:13); planan, to go astray (I Corinthians 6:9); paraptomai, to fall away (Galatians 6:1); and hupocrites, hypocrite (I Timothy 4:2). From the uses of these words several conclusions may also be drawn. (1) There is always a clear standard against which sin is committed. (2) Ultimately all sin is a positive rebellion against God and a transgression of His standards. (3) Evil may assume a variety of forms. (4) Man’s responsibility is definite and clearly understood.”

There really is something for everyone in that interview.
Missy on June 2, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Yes there is! Much has already been pointed out, but this speaks to the vanity Jonah Goldberg sees (as do I):

OBAMA:
Well, I think it’s the power of the recognition of God, or the recognition of a larger truth that is being shared between me and an audience.

GG:
What is sin?
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.

Funny, I though God had something to do with it. Apparently Obama believes his own press and does indeed believe he is the messiah.

THIS IS A BIG DEAL for Christian. BO should come out now and tell the truth and say he is NOT A CHRISTIAN.

“Don’t trust bloggers or someone else’s opinion, because people lie.”

No, no, no, she’s in Montana, she said loggers, not bloggers. It’s a typo.

Problem is that I don’t call myself a Christian, because of that belief structure.