Video: Hillary sure sounding like she’s ready to rock on a bit further
posted at 9:57 pm on June 2, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Mutiny was in the air during the conference call with her top donors this afternoon, but cooler heads prevailed. It sounds like she’s merely going to “suspend” the campaign, not drop out, just in case, well … you know.
Or is she? Today on the plane:
Exit question: Does this sound like a woman getting ready to bail? Quote: “Tomorrow is the last day of the primaries and the beginning of a new phase in the campaign. After South Dakota and Montana vote I will lead in the popular vote and Senator Obama will lead in the delegate count. The voters will have voted and so the decision will fall to the delegates empowered to vote at the Democratic Convention.”
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Woo hoo!
SaintOlaf on June 2, 2008 at 9:59 PM
When the clock strikes twelve, we’ll cool off then,
Start a rockin’ round the clock again.
We’re gonna rock around the clock tonight,
We’re gonna rock, rock, rock, ’til convention night.
We’re gonna rock, gonna rock, all the way to Denver tonight.
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Popular vote?
Does that mean Al Gore should have been president?
Can the rule be applied in retrospect?
Is this a Democracy?
This country is in chaos that started in 2000.
I think we should decide what we want.
Do we want one person, one vote?
Or do we want bullshit?
My choice is clear.
Amend the Constitution.
Yes, amend it. It’s not sacred.
Time to restore voters’ right.
Enough Bullshit.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Hey Hillary, here is a hint that might keep you going………. Why don’t you ask that all of the Military votes are counted from our soldiers fighting over seas?
Seven Percent Solution on June 2, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Things are just starting to warm up.
Saltysam on June 2, 2008 at 10:04 PM
I didn’t see The Factor tonight but since we’re recycling Hillary’s Hamlet act and the show’s hours old and there’s nothing yet that it wasn’t the mack truck rolling over the roadkill as I’d hoped. Let me guess, a lot of “you’re a straight-up guy for coming on my show, Scott….”?
Marcus on June 2, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Chaotic!
jgapinoy on June 2, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Maybe she’ll win South Dakota and do an upset in Montana? What’ll happen then?
From pollster.com
(American Research Group/ARG polling)
Montana
Obama 48, Clinton 44
South Dakota
Clinton 60, Obama 34
Can you imagine if she pulls that off?
SouthernGent on June 2, 2008 at 10:06 PM
“It’s not over until the votes are cast.”
Uh…does she mean the convention?
amerpundit on June 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Read this.
terryannonline on June 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM
in spirit I don’t disagree with you. But we know that the electoral college was implemented by our Founding Fathers as a way to control the beast that a true democracy can be. It was put in place as a measure against demagogues, and tyranny by the majority (51% can control the 49%) so we have a Constitutional Republic (99% cannot control the 1%
RMC1618 on June 2, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Maybe it is now time for the leadership in the Democratic Party (whoever it may be, depending on which way the wind is blowing) to just step in and pull the plug on her demolished wreck of a campaign once and for all. Consider it a mercy killing.
pilamaye on June 2, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Unless Obama actually takes the delegate count (not the superdelegates) I see no reason for her to get out. So much has gone on in the last month or so, that even if Obama were to get the SDs needed, she should still stay in till the convention, and force those SDs to put up. I used to think it was all about the SDs, but they have waited so long, and Obama has been self destructing, that I think they are losing control and direction. If they side with Obama, she should make them pull the trigger while she’s looking at them straight in the eyes (and of course I’m speaking politically here).
Weight of Glory on June 2, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Great link!
RMC1618 on June 2, 2008 at 10:13 PM
My common sense, my sane way of thinking is telling me that only ‘one person, one vote’ is the ONLY way to actually have a fair election results.
Think about it. It’s not a difficult mathematical equation.
One person, one vote.
I don’t care about history.
Why ignoring the people’ choices?
Enough is enough. Common sense must prevail.
How difficult is that? One person, one vote.
Get used to it.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Launching a trial balloon every other day is one way to stay in the news. That may be all it is.
RBMN on June 2, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:03 PM
in spirit I don’t disagree with you. But we know that the electoral college was implemented by our Founding Fathers as a way to control the beast that a true democracy can be. It was put in place as a measure against demagogues, and tyranny by the majority (51% can control the 49%) so we have a Constitutional Republic (99% cannot control the 1%
RMC1618 on June 2, 2008 at 10:10 PM
It doesn’t make sense to me. It shouldn’t make sense to anybody.
Can’t you see?
How difficult is it to count every single vote and decide elections upon the total of the actual votes, not on some imaginary bullshit called “delegates” and “electoral college”?
Think independently.
You will make more sense.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:19 PM
The highest office we should vote for is the House. Let the state legislatures elect to the Senate, and have them throw darts at a phone book to pick the President.
VolMagic on June 2, 2008 at 10:19 PM
There will be no concession speech from Hillary. Just a photo op courtesy of Colorado’s finest.
IrishEi on June 2, 2008 at 10:20 PM
The better solution would be to abandon the ‘winner takes all’ formula and split part of the electoral votes based on which candidate wins the state. Abandoning the Electoral College would be relegating smaller states to second-class status.
Slublog on June 2, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Further thoughts from Politico. Thought this was key from the article:
Nothing earth shattering; many others have pointed out that Obama won’t get the delegate lead. But with both lacking enough delegates, the SDs will be left out in the open, for all to see, that they are the ones who are calling this. If she drops out, then that will give them cover, and it will appear that Obama won “naturally“. Stay in, Hillary!
Weight of Glory on June 2, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Exactly, candidates would only have to listen to people who lived in populated areas like New York and California.
terryannonline on June 2, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Weight of Glory on June 2, 2008 at 10:27 PM
The better solution, the ONLY solution is the one I said:
one person, one vote.
I stand by it because it makes sense.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:27 PM
In all seriousness, I think a deal has been made for Hilldog to be veep.
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Stop being a condescending asshole.
You will make more sense.
Of course it would. But Indy doesn’t listen to “facts”. They’re inconvenient.
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Hillary,come on,Woodstock’s been over for
years,can we go home now,its over,give it
up,ther’ll be more concerts coming up!haha.
I’ll wait for Hillary to say”read my lips”
from her own mouth,saying its over!
canopfor on June 2, 2008 at 10:28 PM
So you reject federalism, then?
Slublog on June 2, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Abandon the electoral college and you might as well give NY, LA, Chicago, and Houston the keys to your house.
Limerick on June 2, 2008 at 10:30 PM
You have repeatedly stated that most people are idiots. Now this?
On Hillary “it’s not over until the votes are cast”. I wouldn’t quit either, if I were her.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Plus, Indy, it’s so much easier to send representatives who’re dumb, corrupt, naive, idiotic, clueless, and then harp at them, on both sides.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 10:32 PM
She does not look at all tired or ready to lay down her sword.
You go girl.
She is the only person in this country right now who has the guts to deny Obama a coronation.
EJDolbow on June 2, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Did you know that suspending the electoral college and allow the tyranny of majority, you will make fertile ground for a dictator?
terryannonline on June 2, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Iowa, Idaho, Wyoming, Delaware, Maine, etc etc etc…would NEVER have to have another campaign stop. A candidate could fly to the 20 biggest cities and URBAN politics would run the nation.
Limerick on June 2, 2008 at 10:37 PM
There should be a reform, an amendment regarding Congress and the Presidency.
The concept of ‘one person, one vote’ must be applied no matter what changes in the structure of Congress occur.
I cannot imagine calling ourselves a Democracy where people voices are heard while we are suppressing their votes and reducing them to some nonsense called “electoral college,” “delegates” or whatever.
Why America, of all nations, is keeping this unfair system of government? Because it worked? NO
I tell you why.
Because the people were mum. Nobody dared saying ‘enough is enough.’
Well, I say if we want fairness, if we want true Democracy then the people’s choices must be met as they are, without further interpretation.
See, with ‘one person, one voice’ you will not have problems, everybody will be satisfied with the results.
Problems only occur when injustice occurs.
And injustice was hidden for 200 years and surfaced recently, luckily for us so we can start amending our flawed system.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:37 PM
I admire your passion, and I obviously can’t dispute your personal opinion. It is my personal opinion that the electoral college is one of the few remaining pillars of our origional Republic, which is based on the rights of the individual. If America were a true democracy, the rights of the individual would be subject to the will of the majority. Our Founders (peace be upon them) built a society where a person had inalienable rights (set forth a new nation), given to them by the Lord, (if your not religious, then replace “Lord” with “power beyond man”) not by his fellow man. And no man, nor any majority, has the authority to take away those rights.
It’s unfortunate that we just don’t see eye to eye here, but as one whose been to “independant” for some of the Hot Air bloggers, it makes perfect sense to me.
RMC1618 on June 2, 2008 at 10:37 PM
We’re not a democracy, so no need to call ourselves one.
Slublog on June 2, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Let’s go to dinner, Chinese, on me. We need to talk. In a ‘pure’ democracy every lemming gets a vote, including your goat and your dead uncles. Imagine that amnesty 2, 3, 4, at infinitum go through. We’d end up with Obamas for the rest of this country’s short life, as you know it. No more independent thinking, fooling around, laissez faire anything, including for you, in fact, especially for you.
I can name you many countries where 1 for 1 votes do happen, and it’s a disaster. Those old guys knew what they were doing. I like it that my big California has 2 senators, just like Rhode Island. You can like it too, and if not, you can live with it, and still be independent, free, strange and adorable.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Har. I doubt the fine people of Wyoming, Montana, and Delaware will be pleased.
I dunno. The thought of LA and NY being the only places relevant in the political process seems pretty unjust.
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 10:41 PM
I really don’t want NYC making the gun laws for the Texas panhandle.
Limerick on June 2, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Tyranny cannot come when people chose fairly who they want to govern them.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:42 PM
You said it.
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Indy, independent dear one, we are not a democracy, and shouldn’t ever be one. Our republic has worked, and will continue to do so for a while. We need to wake up and protect it, but this is not its problem.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Hey, hey, hey!!
ARG has a poll out showing Hillary up in South Dakota by 26% (60-34) and Obama winning Montana by 4% (48-44).
What if she wins both states??
EJDolbow on June 2, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Yup, we’re not a democracy. What we have is called a R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C. Public school civics class FAIL.
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:19 PM
I think we should give each state one vote, and each state should determine for itself how to procure that vote (i.e. popular, legislative, electoral etc.).
In a strictly popular vote, I think the minority opinion would be completely ignored.
That old saying comes to mind:
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for dinner.
Saltysam on June 2, 2008 at 10:46 PM
She’ll still be short in the pledged delegate department and neither state will help move along her popular vote argument. The only affect it could have would be momentum in the SUPERDELEGATE race.
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 10:46 PM
In theory, that may work in a perfect world. But perfection (Utopia) does not exist in this world, our Founders understood that, and implemented a system that would protect us from ourselves.
RMC1618 on June 2, 2008 at 10:47 PM
No, no, no. You will be the first not to be satisfied. The clueless would outvote you every single time. The founders knew this. You sound like a rabid liberal on this topic. No food for you for a week, not frogs, not bouillabaisse, not Chinese either.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Shall we also cease the supression of votes by dissolving the Congress? I mean, all people aren’t voting on all issues… which according to your implications, is inherently unfair. Doing away with the EC is logically followed by the dissolution of Congress.
One more thing – if you do continue down the line with things like…
… allow me and 300M other people take several hours out of our day to read 100 page bills, go to comittee, hearings, the floor, vote, argue… and let us bring on the full brunt of ‘every vote must count’, the return of ‘chad’ to the news and the general destruction of the economy by lost productivity.
Representation is great by me, in the EC and in Congress. I’m with terryann and Limerick 100% on this one.
knob on June 2, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I LOVE IT!
RMC1618 on June 2, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Let’s focus of the presidential elections. Why not applying the ‘one person, one vote’ concept?
Nothing else makes sense to me. I can’t emphasize more.
I’ll eat Chinese with you any time.
But now I’m busy with reforming the Constitution.
Call my secretary for an appointment.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Beat me to it.
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By the way, if the big states have their way…Indy will get what he wishes for. All they need is to get enough states to pass it that equal 270 electoral college votes and the popular vote will decide it.
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM
You see that’s the problem. You DON’T want everyone satisfied. You want opposition! That’s why our democracy. I’m not a Democrat but I them because they keep my party on their toes.
terryannonline on June 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Making sense is not being liberal.
Stop being partisan. I thought you’re Chinese.
So are you saying that today’s people’s choice -if it was anyway- is a good one?
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Time to put that bottle away!
Saltysam on June 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Public school English class FAIL!
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Don’t twist my words to make them mean something else.
You know what I meant.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Time to put that bottle away!
Saltysam on June 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Sorry I clicked submit too early. I apologize for my spelling errors.
terryannonline on June 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
If everyone’s satisfied, you’re going to have problems. Having opposition makes sure ideas are fully vetted and worked out. No opposition to anything = dictatorship.
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM
It is working in Europe, Australia and Canada.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Exactly!
terryannonline on June 2, 2008 at 10:56 PM
You overestimate the masses, and surprise me greatly, as you’ve often stated how naive (and I put it nicely) they are. Decisions must often be made which don’t make the people happy, for a republic to survive. That’s why we have representative government. What we must do is remind our representatives that they work for us and not the other way around. Also, that they should go home after a term or too, so that people like you could take their place. I’d vote for you. Many here would ‘divorce’ me for it, but I love independent people more than any other.
Making sense is not liberal. You are not making sense tonight, and that’s why I called you liberal, hoping that you’re not one. They aren’t very independent/
No, I’m not Chinese. I’m Transylvanian, really.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 10:56 PM
You shouldn’t use that phrase so liberally (meaning freely, not liberal in the political sense).
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Yes, but their “frontrunner” will be the weakest frontrunner in recent memory. Just the way I like my Democrats, weak.
EJDolbow on June 2, 2008 at 10:57 PM
And they hardly ever let you down.
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 10:59 PM
It is working in Europe, Australia and Canada.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM
How about that minority of Australians that had their right to defend themselves by firearms dictated away?
Saltysam on June 2, 2008 at 11:00 PM
and China gets by on communism, they’re not the United States.
RMC1618 on June 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM
i hope osama doesnt make hilly VP. the anguish of her suppoters coupled with the clintons vengeance would easily end his bid and hopefully his career
Darth Executor on June 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM
She could be planning to “suspend” her campaign tomorrow morning, but publicly she’ll say “to the end of the race!”. Bob Dole knows what Bob Dole knows. You know it. I know it. The commenters at HotAir know it. The readers of this site know it. The American people know it…
Weebork on June 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM
I have a question about your username. “Indy” with a Y implies you are from Indianapolis. “Indie” with an IE would imply you’re an “independent”, correct?
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Indy Conservative,
It’s called Thorazine, babe. Might want to pick up a bottle.
revolution on June 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM
First, that’s an overstatement, and second they can’t be compared. If the EU and the US w/b compared, then maybe but that’s probably never going to be that way.
Australia has 18-10 million people and Canada about 34 million, fewer states, etc. Not the same at all.
This has worked the longest and is fine. We have other problems which need to be tackled.
About Australia and Canada I could tell you novels to convince you otherwise, but not now, not here.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Yes I called voters “idiots” but they are already idiots now with this flawed voting system, let’s try the fair system, what are we going to lose?
And I’m not liberal. One day I’ll lay down on this Blog what “Conservatism” means to me.
Now I have to go.
Noapte bunã, in your native language.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 11:05 PM
You’re on notice revolution (much as you made me laugh) – Indy is my date already. I’m calling his secretary, or in the PC way his assistant.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Goodnight Indy.
RMC1618 on June 2, 2008 at 11:06 PM
There’s Hillary …
… drunk again.
BowHuntingTexas on June 2, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Indy, I’m glad/happy that you’re not liberal. That would have been very sad.
Noapte bună, somn usor, sapte pureci pe-un picior.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Nothing will convince me that fairness can be substituted by anything else.
But I respect your opinion as well as the one of the others here.
I’m sticking to mine.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Sorry about Australia’s population – s/b 18-19 million (not 10)
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Good night RMC1618.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 11:13 PM
You’re of course entitled to your opinion, wrong as you are. No need to fret about it. It works this way brilliantly, actually. Only the lefties want to change it, and they know exactly why. You should see that, but sleep well and we’ll discuss further.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Eu voi fi plecat pentru două zile, poate.
Eu Mă duc să vizitaţi staţia spaţială internaţională şi vizitaţi Martians.
Sunteti nebun.:-)
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 11:19 PM
See, that’s the difference between partisanship and unbiased thinking.
I don’t care about the results as long as the process is fair.
As I said, people are idiots anyway, so why not trying the fair process, maybe it will work?
Now really I have to go.
Good night for all.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 11:21 PM
You’re of course entitled to your opinion,
Entelechy, on June 2,2008 at 11:14PM.
Entelechy: I think Indy Conservative has had a rough
day,I think we need more humour and war porn,
on HA,I sense political fatigue in some of the
threads!
canopfor on June 2, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Indy you probably wanted to say “eu sint nebun”. As is, you said that I am. Now, I’m a little nutty, but I’ve never visited those, ever :)
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Oh,Entelechy,if you don’t mind are you Finnish?
canopfor on June 2, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Indy, my comment back to you went to censorship – you called me crazy, but I think you meant that for yourself. I’m just nutty, but I’ve never visited those before.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM
canopfor, no I’m Transylvanian. It’s the truth.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM
But canopfor, I look Sweedish. 9 out of 10 guess that every time.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 11:24 PM
OK, last comment for me.
War porn?
I actually watching a military porn site.
Imagine Dick Cheney sucking on his rifle. That’s the first picture in a series of 200.
Let me go please.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Curse you, Romanian translator software!
You’re saying these things thinking that going by the popular vote is “fair”. It isn’t.
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Heh, now my comment posted. You can make sense of it Indy.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Oh,that’s cool,that must be interesting
when you bring that up,eh?
canopfor on June 2, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Are comments like this considered “funny”?
malan89 on June 2, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Please release him, let him go…
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Indy,I’d rather see 10 megatons go kaboom!
canopfor on June 2, 2008 at 11:26 PM
CA…36,000,000
NY…19,000,000
TX…21,000,000
FL…16,000,000
IL…13,000,000
OH…11,000,000
MI…10,000,000
PA…12,000,000
33% of the population is crammed into just 8 states(16%).
Why would the votes of the other 42 states even matter? Pull along Georgia, Washington, or Virginia and you have yourself 1/5th of the States in control of who sits in the White House. Screw that. States each have two senators, and proportional representatives. Check. Balance.
Limerick on June 2, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Fairness cannot bring censorship.
Good night Maria!
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I care about the process and the results. In your system you’d never win, but you’d sustain the lemmings, and they’d just multiply, by many means.
Makes no sense. Only an educated populace knows what’s going on. We need to improve those schools.
Indy Conservative on June 2, 2008 at 11:21 PM
All Latin female names end in ‘a’, but I’m not Latin.
Entelechy on June 2, 2008 at 11:31 PM
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