WaPo: Why is no one reporting the success in Iraq?
posted at 10:55 am on June 1, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Conservative pundits have made this complaint ever since the beginning of the surge, but now the editorial board of the Washington Post adds its voice to the protest. They note the “odd” lull in reporting and debate on Iraq over the last few weeks, but fail to draw the obvious conclusion. The American media and the Democrats became so invested in American defeat that they have decided to ignore the collapse of their position as Iraq stabilizes:
THERE’S BEEN a relative lull in news coverage and debate about Iraq in recent weeks — which is odd, because May could turn out to have been one of the most important months of the war. While Washington’s attention has been fixed elsewhere, military analysts have watched with astonishment as the Iraqi government and army have gained control for the first time of the port city of Basra and the sprawling Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City, routing the Shiite militias that have ruled them for years and sending key militants scurrying to Iran. At the same time, Iraqi and U.S. forces have pushed forward with a long-promised offensive in Mosul, the last urban refuge of al-Qaeda. So many of its leaders have now been captured or killed that U.S. Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker, renowned for his cautious assessments, said that the terrorists have “never been closer to defeat than they are now.”
Iraq passed a turning point last fall when the U.S. counterinsurgency campaign launched in early 2007 produced a dramatic drop in violence and quelled the incipient sectarian war between Sunnis and Shiites. Now, another tipping point may be near, one that sees the Iraqi government and army restoring order in almost all of the country, dispersing both rival militias and the Iranian-trained “special groups” that have used them as cover to wage war against Americans. It is — of course — too early to celebrate; though now in disarray, the Mahdi Army of Moqtada al-Sadr could still regroup, and Iran will almost certainly seek to stir up new violence before the U.S. and Iraqi elections this fall. Still, the rapidly improving conditions should allow U.S. commanders to make some welcome adjustments — and it ought to mandate an already-overdue rethinking by the “this-war-is-lost” caucus in Washington, including Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).
All of this comes as good news for Iraqis, good news for the US, and good news for the region — but as unwelcome news to the American media and the Democrats. They have predicted nothing but defeat and chaos for so long that they cannot find any way to pivot to embrace the success of the venture. Both predicated their forward strategies on that defeat and now flounder to adapt to Nouri al-Maliki’s sudden emergence as a unifying figure of strength in Iraq.
In order to do so, they would have to answer for the defeatism of Harry Reid, who declared the war lost a year ago on the floor of the Senate. They would have to answer for their antagonistic reception for General David Petraeus in September 2007, when he warned Congress that the new strategies had begun to succeed and the Iraqi Army was close to self-sufficiency. The likely nominee would have to answer for his refusal to meet with Petraeus for an individual, in-depth briefing to find out how much the situation has changed since his only visit to Iraq in January 2006.
Of course, most of the media still refuses to open its eyes. Bruce Kesler notes that the New York Times editorial board still flogs the defeatist line in today’s edition [see update below]:
The only mission that needs to be accomplished is an orderly exit from Iraq, and Mr. Bush is no closer to acknowledging that reality. Neither is Senator John McCain. All Congress seems capable of is hand-wringing.
So it is up to Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton to revive the national debate on Iraq — and up the pressure on the White House. While it is clear that Mr. Bush has no intention of coming up with an exit strategy, there are things he could do to give his successor a better chance at containing the chaos after American troops leave.
Amazingly, or perhaps not so much so considering the general flackery of the Times, this editorial manages to ignore every salient point mentioned in the WaPo article. It makes no mention that violence in Iraq has dropped to its lowest level since the invasion. The Times’ editorial board doesn’t acknowledge the liberation of Basra and Mosul by the Iraqi Army, nor the defeat of the Mahdi Army in its power base of Sadr City. Instead, it speaks hysterically of Iraq as a “very dangerous place” and talks about an increase in casualties in April without noting at all the steep decline in all casualties in May.
The defeatists have been exposed. They cannot run, but they can keep spinning. Even their colleagues in the media have begun to notice the good news, however, and the facade of defeat has begun its inevitable collapse.
Update: I misunderstood Bruce’s post. That NYT editorial was from a month ago — the last time they weighed in on Iraq. Today’s editorials are on housing trust funds, cluster bombs, and parliamentary debate. All of this does allow them to avoid acknowledging the irrational defeatism of that last entry, however.
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MSM and Dems probably realize the tide is turning fast, and their intention is to keep the good news out of MSM until after the election, if they can.
petefrt on June 1, 2008 at 11:03 AM
In order to plan for success wouldn’t one have to acknowledge that they were wrong?
jdkchem on June 1, 2008 at 11:05 AM
I think they’re still mourning the fall of the Soviet Empire.
How did that ever happen?
How come history doesn’t follow the leftist meme?
Something must be wrong with history.
profitsbeard on June 1, 2008 at 11:08 AM
What more needs to be said? The fine things that our great men and women are doing will never be heard because the dhimmicrats will never live it down if we knew of them! The war is lost! The military spending is too high! If we knew the success our military is having the democrats will not win the white house OR the Congress!
Vntnrse on June 1, 2008 at 11:09 AM
lies get headlines, the truth always wins.
the lib press thinks of itself as a just brain trust.
looks like an aneurism to me.
jimmer on June 1, 2008 at 11:10 AM
The bias in the press is not that they tell you want to think; the bias is that they tell you what to think about.
Or in this case, what not to think about.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 11:11 AM
War in Iraq? Really? Hadn’t heard about that old news for months. We still over there? Someone better tell Obama.
Buford Gooch on June 1, 2008 at 11:12 AM
The problem the Bush-hating mainstream media has is twofold. They can’t admit progress is being made in Iraq, because that would mean giving Bush credit. And they would rather be waterboarded and have panties put on their head first.
But their bigger problem is that unlike a year ago, Iraq isn’t what most Americans see as the most important priority in the upcoming election. The economy beats it in spades in all polls.
They’re desperate to make Iraq the central issue of the election again, but it hasn’t worked. Sure is fun towatch, though.
Del Dolemonte on June 1, 2008 at 11:12 AM
They can and will re-write history, Barack Obama will win in November, pull out the troops after the war has been won, and take credit for everything, including the peace and calm that follows in Iraq. The Journalists of today provide the data for the historians of the future, and Barack Obama will be forever remembered as the president that ended the war in Iraq, and therefore responsible for bringing peace in that region. We live in Orwellian times.
Jimmy the Dhimmi on June 1, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Why . . . because success in Iraq reflects badly on the Democrats and the rest of the left.
rplat on June 1, 2008 at 11:21 AM
EFFFF YOU, WaPo Editorial Board!!!!!
You are one of the reasons why not much good is reported by the mainstream medai about Iraq!
TexasDude on June 1, 2008 at 11:21 AM
No report of any success in Iraq?
Indeed, no news is good news.
Although I’ll be always skeptical about this “good news or success from Iraq,” I must say that as long as the Iraqis are the ones who are killed, not our soldiers, I don’t give a damn.
Al-Qaeda is not over, defeated or weakened in Iraq as it is portrayed in America.
Iraq will never be “Mission Accomplished” in our lifetime.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM
How can you win an unwinable war? Not long after the debate on global warming was declared ended (which Mr. Superscientist, Al Gore, used his super powers to cause) the more prescient lefties began to always refer to the Iraqi war only as “unwinable.”
snaggletoothie on June 1, 2008 at 11:23 AM
The Dem’s will never never never admit they were wrong. Case in point the millions of people slaughtered in Southern Asia because they stopped funding in Viet Nam. When will they answer for those deaths?
Wade on June 1, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Where is that worthless stack of cells Harry Reid now? The man makes my skin crawl. I respect brains and I respect brawl, the man has neither.
TroubledMonkey on June 1, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Why do you continue to show your ignorance about military matters? Mission and War are entirely different and many missions in Iraq have been accomplished. Do you care to expand on to which mission you are referring.
Wade on June 1, 2008 at 11:30 AM
And why is the war “unwinable”?
The main goals are to destroy al-Qaeda and, along with that, help create a government that has sufficient security forces to defeat any internal or external threats to it and to provide enough security so that militias or other armed groups are no longer needed or necessary.
There seems to be increasing evidence that all of those are being met. Too slowly, with great costs, to be sure. But it appears to be working.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Al-Qaeda is just as strong today in Iraq as it was, say 2-3 years ago? In Anbar and elsewhere?
It hasn’t been weakened at all in Iraq? They hold as much territory, have as much support and are as active right now as they have ever been?
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 11:32 AM
I’ll go with the 2003 “Mission Accomplished” of George W. Bush.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 11:34 AM
That the media continues to ignore the military and political victory in Iraq is actually a good thing for Republicans and McCain’s election prospects. As conservatives continue removing the scales from leftists’ eyes, their capitulation to recognize facts on the ground will come when most voters start paying attention to the elections.
When that capitulation occurs later this summer, Republicans will be able to ride high on improving job performance ratings. The Republicans need to pivot off this success, though, to convince we are still the right party to deal with ongoing threats. The public tends to kick the party of strong foreign policy out of office shortly after their euphoric sigh of relief as they turn their focus on domestic issues (a la Bush Sr after the fall of the Soviet Union and Iraq war I ). A continued presence and a strong Iraq is going to be an important part of any policy that keeps Iran in check.
BryanS on June 1, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Steve, in order for someone to say “The War is Unwinable”, I to know their definition of “win-able”. I want to know from these peaceniks what needs to be done for them to call our nation “WINNERS”. I think their answer in nothing, therefor their whining about unwinnable.
Wade on June 1, 2008 at 11:35 AM
No as much attacks as before doesn’t mean it’s over.
It’s a break to start all over again.
You don’t know the Muslims.
I do.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Simple…the MSM is the tank with the Democrats hoping for loss in Iraq and they supported surrender. They certainly aren’t going to report that they were wrong, especially since MSM is pushing so hard to get a Democrat elected president in 2008.
katieanne on June 1, 2008 at 11:37 AM
That You don’t know the Muslims.
I do.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 11:36 AM
I believe you do, maybe a little to well.
Wade on June 1, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Got it. I think I mis-read/mis-interpreted the above comment.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Geez, I take it you don’t play the lotto, or take any risks whatsoever with that kind of ngative attitude. Might I suggest you read Michael Yon’s book, Moment of Truth in Iraq. See, he actually spends time in Iraq — I think he’s got more time there than most soldiers in the Army — and tells it like it is, pointing out the miles of progress that’s been made now that our military is conducting itself as a counterinsurgency operation. He points out that aQI is being defeated not because soldiers are getting better at finding them, but because Iraqis are no longer hiding them.
I used to agree. When I was in Iraq in 2003, I think most of the Army over there was in agreement with that statement. I have since come to realize that until we do give a damn about Iraqis dying, as much as we do Americans (or closer to it than America is now) we stand no chance of victory.
Spc Steve on June 1, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Yes, I know the Muslims too well not to rejoice and be complacent like 300 million idiots.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Sorry, you didn’t say that. And I didn’t say it was “over.”
You said that AQ was not weakened at all over the past two years. Since the surge.
If you think this is some sort of ruse or tactic for AQ to lay low, I’d like to see some evidence. It seems to me that we have enough assets within AQ in Iraq to show us that that is their plan.
I’ve seen no evidence that they’ve switched tactics from destabilizing the government to playing dead.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Exactly, Ed, and the Dems’ strategy of hitching their political fortunes to defeat in Iraq is why I’m fighting so hard against electoral victory for any Democrat, even for county tax-assessor.
Meanwhile, reactionary Frank Rich in his column today is fighting to keep the 2003 Bush-lied-us-into-war meme alive in order to tar McCain with it. The events of 2008 are irrelevant to the election, according to him.
juliesa on June 1, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Like at the end of The Cold War, when victory comes to Iraq, expect the Democrats to say that they were with us all the way. That is what we Neo-Cons call Chutzpah.
RobCon on June 1, 2008 at 11:49 AM
I really despise, and pity, the vast majority of todays MSM all full of itself with it’s dishonesty and contempt. They should be embarrassed, but I don’t think they have the moral fiber to even notice their own ineptitude. It is really a shame.
Do you realize that todays middle schoolers might never know what an honest newspaper looks like? That the news used to be ‘just the news’ and not a medium for immoral self-seeking rhetoric, spewed at any length, with impunity.
Seriously, what does a kid in high school or Jr. high think about todays rags? Does that kid even have the possibility of finding an unbiased, untainted source for comparison?
We had the ‘used car salesman’, the ‘insurance salesman’, the ‘politicians’ and NOW?
The Journalists. The bottom of the barrel. The butt of the joke.
How can you tell when a journalist is lying?
He’s typing. ( or, his lips are moving…you get the idea)
Shame on the J people.
shooter on June 1, 2008 at 11:49 AM
I think that was more of a sinker than a floater.
dont taze me bro on June 1, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Pity that the Washington Post isn’t something like, say, a newspaper, that employed people called reporters who could report on the news and get that information out to the public.
rbj on June 1, 2008 at 11:51 AM
I play Lotto when I know there is a chance to win something, usually on small set of numbers, and I do win. But I don’t play it all the time. And when I play, I do it for fun, not for gambling.
I’m realistic, maybe that’s why I don’t like to rejoice when I know there is no good reason for it.
I’m optimistic.
But there is a big difference between optimism and realism.
Maybe I’m a bit different from the commentators here because I have more knowledge, experience as far as World Affairs is concerned. And I speak, read and write many languages. This advantage gives me a broader perspective on the issues.
And it pisses me off when I read a politician, journalist or a Military guy saying that everything is nice and dandy, Al-Qaeda is “near defeated” in Iraq when I know it’s not.
As far as the causalities, of course it’s sad to see innocent civilian killed, but America’s Bush brought killing to civilians and soldiers and I’d rather see our soldiers safe first.
Only the Iraqis can save themselves if they want to.
Victory in Iraq shouldn’t come with the price of our blood.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Gee, WaPoo, I have no idea why nobody in the drive-by media is reporting the success of America and the American military.
Why don’t you send a few crack reporters out to investigate?
misterpeasea on June 1, 2008 at 11:56 AM
I think my reply to you would be the same as above:
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 11:57 AM
you’re buying the MSM take on that one. That particular mission was accomplished.
Buford Gooch on June 1, 2008 at 11:57 AM
.
Now I understand where you’re coming from.
All of the culpability for the deaths is due to “America’s Bush”.
Got it.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 11:58 AM
My, my, someone is mightily impressed with himself (again [still?])
Buford Gooch on June 1, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Well, we’re all experts on the Internet.
This is what I always tell the Pope and the Dali Lama whenever they come over and we shoot the breeze.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:02 PM
You’re partisan. I am not. I am an Independent Conservative.
What I wrote is a fact.
Of course, I understand, you can’t see reality when you see only one side on the story.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:03 PM
It’s not bragging. It’s the truth.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Fist they said we couldn’t beat the taliban, then they said we couldn’t raise a new Afghan Army, then they said we couldn’t beat al-qaeda, then they said we couldn’t beat Saddam (even after Gulf 1) then they said we couldn’t raise a new Iraqi Army, then they said we couldn’t we couldn’t beat al-qaeda in Iraq, then they said we couldn’t get the Afghans to vote, then they said we couldn’t get the Iraqi people to vote, then they said we couldn’t get the three main groups in Iraq to form a govt, then they said we couldn’t … then they said we couldn’t … then they said we couldn’t …
When will they understand what we on the Right have always known? America can do anything we set our minds to, we can put a man on the Moon, we can defeat global islamic jihad, with a little help from long time Allies like the Brits, the Canucks and the Aussies, (add in the Germans, Japanese and S. Koreans) AND our new friends the Poles, the Estonians, the Romanians and other FREE people of the former Soviet Bloc and now our newest friends, the Afghans and the Iraqis.
Tony737 on June 1, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Wait until October.
Battalions of troops returning home
Iraqi Army 100% Operational
Electrical Grid up and running
Iranian insurgents booted out
Iraqi Government effective
Cities and Roads rebuilt
Business expanding
Democracy flourishing
Osama captured
Suck on that libs.
fogw on June 1, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Blaming all of the deaths in Iraq on “America’s Bush” is partisan? On my part?
See, my own view is that the cause of the Iraq was was the near two decades actions by Saddam Hussein. His wars, his aggression, his refusal to abide by agreements, his support for terrorism.
That person, it seems to me, is the culpable party here.
Not Bush.
If that makes me a partisan then you have an odd definition of partisan. It must be a Farsi definition? Or Arabic?
Who knows.
But it’s not English.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:07 PM
To sum up: al-Qaeda is just as strong as ever, every single American (except you!) is an idiot, George Bush is responsible for all the deaths in Iraq, and Iraqis aren’t worth dying for. Oh, and our main military concern is keeping our soldiers safe.
Like I said, Evita, the only place you’re a conservative is on Htrae
misterpeasea on June 1, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I’m not sure what you mean by “that particular mission was accomplished.”
In 2003, the “Mission accomplished” meant that we defeat Saddam’s military, we toppled his regime, we invaded Iraq successfully and we were ready to establish an America-friendly regime, all that without shedding any drop of blood.
That’s what it meant.
But I guess nobody in the Liberal, Republican media or the blogosphere told you.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:11 PM
The so called “liberal media”
Link
Link
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Chimpy on June 1, 2008 at 12:14 PM
I didn’t make the decision to invade Iraq.
I didn’t have that excellent plan for “after the invasion.”
I’m not responsible for killing thousands of people on both sides.
Any idea who is responsible?
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:15 PM
I can’t wait for the middle of October when Osama bin Laden’s head suddenly appears on a pole on the WH lawn.
a capella on June 1, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Madeliene Albright speaks more languages then me, has a cardboard cap degree(which I don’t), and has a lot of experience in foreign affairs.
She is still dumb as a post.
Limerick on June 1, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Uh… you do know that he was giving a speech to an Aircraft Carrier crew returning from a MISSION? You know.. good job, you did your mission? And that the Press interpreted his statements as meaning the entire war?
Shoot, I got a bunch of mission accomplished speeched back in the early 80’s… on COLD WAR CRUISES. Did that mean the Cold war was over? uh, no… it was saying good job for doing your part…
You don’t work for the media by any chance? Because you are parroting everything the Left Media says on this issue.
Romeo13 on June 1, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Yep, I think that’s what he is saying.
I guess in Farsi it all makes sense.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:16 PM
So I wonder if the President had read this editorial and said “You know what, they’re right, I will announce our withdrawal in the morning.” I wonder how many more would have died this month?
Gwillie on June 1, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Again. The Buck has to stop somewhere.
Somebody has to be responsible for making decisions and so far no one claimed responsibility for failure.
Instead many losers were rewarded medals of honor.
Enough.
It makes me sick.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:19 PM
I don’t work in the media.
And I despise the cowards who hide under that Oval Office desk to escape from taking responsibility and instead, they reward losers.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Might I suggest you read Michael Yon’s book, Moment of Truth in Iraq. – SpcSteve
Yes, that advice needs to be taken by ALL Americans. I’m almost done with it and I got a Buddy O’Mine who runs a Borders bookstore to order several copies of it.
Tony737 on June 1, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Let me get this straight: Saddam Hussein bears no responsibility – none – for the war?
Zero.
And none of the deaths in Iraq are the responsibility of al-Qaeda or the various sectarian militias?
The fact that the US went into Iraq and then al-Qaeda counter-attacked means that al-Qaeda is completely blameless for any of the deaths they caused?
It’s all Bush’s fault?
AQ has no moral culpability in their actions in Iraq?
I assume this standard applies to Afghanistan as well? AQ wouldn’t be killing American troops in Afghanistan if Bush didn’t go in.
Right?
Bush is solely responsible for the American deaths in Afghanistan.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:22 PM
You of course know that “medals of honor” are given to soldiers. Would you care to enumerate which veterans of the Iraqi campaign are losers?
billhedrick on June 1, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Just more proof the leftwing loons hate America and what it stands for. Too bad they wont move to London.
tx2654 on June 1, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Apparently if we attack an enemy of the US and they or other groups counter-attack us, the US (or the president who made the decision) is solely responsible for those deaths caused by the counter-reaction.
Not partially culpable. Not mostly culpable.
Completely culpable.
Sigh.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:26 PM
This person is digging deeper and deeper.
Eventually you’d think he (or she?) would hit bottom.
The mask is slowly being removed.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:27 PM
SteveMG, this is a common standard, IIRC it was first applied to Israel for shooting back and beating the Arabs that attacked them.
billhedrick on June 1, 2008 at 12:27 PM
So you’re saying the mission was successful except that some blood was shed? Now you are making things up. No rational person believes that war can be waged without casualties.
docdave on June 1, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Hmmm… Medal of Honor winners, are losers…
Sir, its not that it makes you sick, I contend, you are sick.
Romeo13 on June 1, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Who made the decision to invade Iraq?
Saddam?
Saddam made the mess after the invasion?
Saddam didn’t have a plan for after-the invasion?”
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Exactly.
I’m not saying – and I’m sure you agree – that Bush bears no responsibility for Iraq. Or Afghanistan. Et cetera.
But to argue that somehow all of the culpability for the deaths is on him, and him alone is just absurd.
Apparently, Saddam was just walking down the street minding his own business and Bush jumped him.
Poor guy.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Yes medals of honor are for losers when I meant who it was given to. But I guess partisanship is blindness and it can cause amnesia.
Go back to very recent history and refresh your partisan short-term, selective memory.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:33 PM
There are very few rightly untouchable things to conservatives. It is of course quite proper for conservatives to disagree with each other on many issues, the economy, the way the War is being fought, immigration, etc. You may hate and despise GWB or McCain and still have a legitimate right to call yourself conservative. In fact, some might think defending GWB or McCain proves you aren’t a conservative! YMMV. But you cannot in good faith call the troops losers and call yourself a conservative.
billhedrick on June 1, 2008 at 12:34 PM
You have an interesting perspective on our military heros. Or, are you just making “look at me” posts again?
a capella on June 1, 2008 at 12:34 PM
One more time: Saddam Hussein bears no responsibility through his actions for the decision to go to war?
None. He is completely absolved in causing the war?
You’re looking at the person who made the decision to go to war and completely ignoring the person who caused the decision to occur.
Bush made the decision to invade Afghanistan too.
So, he is solely responsible for the deaths in Afghanistan caused by AQ and the Taliban?
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Bingo.
That’s the third rail for me.
End of story.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Don’t spin, I don’t have time for you.
You know what I meant.
But again, once and for all, “Mission Accomplished” and its festivities meant to say that “IT IS OVER.”
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Have you not read the news, everything that we set has our goals are being met. It has just taken a lot longer than we had hoped. Maybe the defeatist MNS and far left demanding our defeat had a little something to do with the extended timeline.
Gwillie on June 1, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Bush’s Mission Accomplished speech (in part, of course):
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:38 PM
On that basis many would qualify, perhaps even yourself. Curious how you can call yourself a conservative when you are spouting leftist talking points.
docdave on June 1, 2008 at 12:39 PM
I repeat again:
Yes medals of honor are for losers when I meant who it was given to. But I guess partisanship is blindness and it can cause amnesia.
Go back to very recent history and refresh your partisan short-term, selective memory.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:33 PM
And I have to go because I get tired of repeating myself for people who are blinded by partisanship.
Go, do some research, learn some history and wash your brain from partisanship and then come argue with me.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:40 PM
I think Indy is a Paulian, which would explain his ant-war stance and inability reason.
Tinian on June 1, 2008 at 12:40 PM
the medal of honor is given to very few people, which of the following would you consider losers:
DUNHAM, JASON L.
MONSOOR, MICHAEL, A.
SMITH, PAUL R.
These are Iraq campaign Army Medal of Honor recipients
(I am surprised that there were this few)
billhedrick on June 1, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Wow…
If the MOH (our highest of awards) is for losers then to whom does the National Defense Ribbon (our lowest ribbon) go?
Limerick on June 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM
How about George Tenet?
Now I have to go.
I feel like I’m losing some IQs here.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:44 PM
correction; these are not simply Army MoH
here’s a link
to their stories
billhedrick on June 1, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Paulian or Moby.
No conservative, as the poster above noted, would denigrate our military in such terms.
You can wish to shoot Bush and everyone else in the Administration. But to attack the troops that way is revealing.
Very.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Well, if you wrote something that was even remotely factual….
docdave on June 1, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Ah!!!!! Not the MOH the Medal of Freedom. Easy to mix those two up with all your multilingual education I guess.
Limerick on June 1, 2008 at 12:45 PM
You cite yourself as an expert. You use the term “Medal of Honor” which is a specific award given to three individuals in the Iraqi Campaign, none of whom where George tenet BTW. Again; which of these three were losers?
DUNHAM, JASON L.
MONSOOR, MICHAEL, A.
SMITH, PAUL R.
billhedrick on June 1, 2008 at 12:47 PM
text book BDS…
SteveMG, Your above statement may have had some merit if AQI had not made the tactical discion to target civilians, to hide among civilians and to use schools and places of worship has weapons stockpiles. It also requires that our invasion of Iraq was not justified, I know where you stand on that but I am certain history will tell a different tail.
Gwillie on June 1, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Has anyone noticed how alike Indy seems to be with Nancy and Harry? Nancy says, (paraphrase) ‘The Iranians compromised on Basra so it was the Iranian’s who should get credit for the success there. I am smarter than everyone! Yeaaaaa me!” Harry says, “the war is lost. I am smarter than everyone! Yeaaaaa Me!
Then they both go hide when the facts get in the way!
Vince on June 1, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Whatever. It’s a medal. Thanks for correcting.
Now, am I still anti-military?
I’d like to see people here using some rational thinking instead of blind partisanship and Bush-worshiping.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:48 PM
And he says the other 300 million Americans are idiots.
He’s a Paulist.
Fluent in multiple languages; logical in none.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:49 PM
I am pretty sure SteveMG was citing that opinion to condemn it not to support it.
billhedrick on June 1, 2008 at 12:49 PM
From my sources there are a couple more in the pipeline… it takes quite a bit of time for the CMOH to be awarded.
Romeo13 on June 1, 2008 at 12:51 PM
I’m no Military expert, not in the sense that you know.
A reward to a failure is still a reward.
And Bush has never claim responsibility for the Iraq mess.
He probably gave himself a raise, so to speak!
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:51 PM
An ideological crusade can be as strong an inducement to bend the truth as the profit motive.
The MSM has hit a wall in its ability to twist the war into the context it wants to sell.
So no wonder that now all those Social Science, Journalist majors (soft science) ignore what was last year the major story of their lives. To quote Brando, “The Horror! the horror!”
Now the big story of their very small lives is the election.
So how ’bout a little Shakespeare?
Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
dingbat on June 1, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Gwillie:
Sorry, you’re gettimg my point confused/mixed up with “Indy Conservative.”
See the ? after each question? I was attributing those views to Indy Conservative who apparently believes that AQ is completely absolved of any culpability for their actions.
This thread is getting a bit confusing.
SteveMG on June 1, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Um, you do know that the President does not control his own salary?
Your ignorance is astounding… and your attacks are ludicrous.
Romeo13 on June 1, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Of course I’m a Paulist and a Jesuit. I love St. Paul and Jesus. I’m a good Catholic.
Complacency is suicide.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Sorry wrong on a couple points. very few of us here are completely happy with the job GWB has done. Also as a self-acknowledged expert, you do not have the luxury to make that kind of mistake without shame and ridicule. I am still not convinced that you didn’t mean to call MoH winners losers.
billhedrick on June 1, 2008 at 12:53 PM
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