Clinton supporter at rules committee: “They’re throwing the election away!”
posted at 8:51 am on June 1, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Harriet Christian got tossed out of yesterday’s Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting for her vocal protests on behalf of Hillary Clinton as the Democrats decided on a compromise to seat Florida and Michigan delegates at their convention in Denver. Christian vented at the national media, which looked on with amusement as she declared her support for John McCain. Other women vowed to write in Hillary’s name in November rather than vote for Barack Obama:
After hours of emotional testimony and sometimes contentious debate, Democratic Party officials agreed yesterday on a pair of compromises to seat Florida’s and Michigan’s delegations to their national convention. But a part of the deal drew an angry reaction and the threat of a subsequent challenge from the campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
The compromises by the Democratic National Committee’s Rules and Bylaws Committee called for both delegations, originally barred from the convention for violating party rules, to be seated in full in Denver but with each delegate casting only half a vote.
The actions by the committee were aimed at bringing the long and sometimes-bitter Democratic nomination battle between Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) and Clinton (N.Y.) to a close and to ensure party unity as the Democrats head into the general election. But the decisions prompted bitter and sometimes-tearful reactions from some members of the audience, who repeatedly shouted over the committee members as they voted.
Democrats wound up with a compromise that solved nothing. Obama still needs more delegates to get to the nomination than he can possibly win in the few remaining primaries. The decision to halve the vote mirrors that of the Republicans, but the method (granting half a vote to the delegates rather than halving the number of delegates) has created a second-class delegate status that guarantees bitter feelings. In the end, the Hillary campaign all but swore to take the fight to the Credentials Committee in Denver, meaning that the same argument will be fought all over again, with the same bitterness.
The Michigan compromise turned out worst of all. The RBC ruled that Clinton would win 34.5 delegates to Obama’s 29.5, despite his not being on the ballot at all. The ratio appears correct if Obama gets credit for all of the rest of the popular vote, but it’s still an impossible situation for the Democrats because of Obama’s absence from the ballot for their primary. Instead of just using the primary votes, the RBC decided to use exit polling as part of its calculation, which infuriated Team Hillary, which lost delegates as a result. They accused the RBC of “hijacking” four delegates for Barack Obama and used that as their reason to continue their push all the way to Denver.
All of this led to the rant by Ms. Christian, and her voice was not the only one enraged by the RBC decision yesterday. In truth, the DNC can’t do much to assuage either side, nor does it appear that they can close this debate before Denver. The bruised feelings this weekend show that any push to force superdelegates into commitments before the first ballot will be seen as more illegitimate machinations by the party establishment against the woman who has come closest to winning a major party nomination, and an insult to the sensitivities of her considerable faction in the party. No matter who wins in Denver, the Democrats had better prepare for large-scale defections in November.
Update: I had the name as Christiansen in the original post. Thanks to David Bell for the correction.
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Let the entertainment continue…
Apeking on June 1, 2008 at 9:02 AM
It is a bit screwy how Obama can voluntarily take his name off the ballot in Michigan, and can still end up getting about the same amount of delegates as Hillary. I don’t blame Hillary for being mad because Obama is making out like a bandit on this one.
SoulGlo on June 1, 2008 at 9:05 AM
Oh, please, God, I implore You, let them change it to 3/5 of a vote.
Kralizec on June 1, 2008 at 9:05 AM
In spite of all the turmoil and embarrassment, I still don’t see how this will turn out so badly for Dems in the Fall. If reports are to believed, they may get a veto-proof majority in the House and Senate, and a liberal Republican President, known for his excellent relations with their party. Furthermore, by giving Obama the nod, they keep the AA’s on their team for 2012. I think we’re in worse shape.
JiangxiDad on June 1, 2008 at 9:08 AM
Well that math is an original Democrat Party idea. Seems only fitting.
Beto Ochoa on June 1, 2008 at 9:08 AM
Hey, Ed! I have family that lives near Denver. If HA will buy the plane ticket and give me a per diem for eating, gas,
gambling, etc., I’ll be happy to take along my cell phone and camera for a “Man on the Street” view of the idiocy. Just wantin’ to serve my country. After all, it’s a dirty job…..FishFearMe on June 1, 2008 at 9:12 AM
Don’t give up Hillary, fight them to the bitter end. Tear the legs off of that leftist party if necessary.
rplat on June 1, 2008 at 9:14 AM
Tear the legs off of that leftist party if necessary.
rplat on June 1, 2008 at 9:14 AM
Then who’ll wear the pantsuit in the “family”?
FishFearMe on June 1, 2008 at 9:15 AM
JiangxiDad on June 1, 2008 at 9:08 AM
Much has been revealed about the Democrat Party so far, and we have several months to go. I had no idea that such hatred for white people was so prevalent with black America, nor did I have any knowledge of such hatred & victimization being preached from pastors (both white & black). Oh yes, much has been revealed about the make-up of the Dems. I posted these words from Bill Cosby on another thread, but would like to pull a repeat here; this message is so profound; the hatred displayed by Dems for Cosby now becomes more clear.
Subject: BILL COSBY ON REV WRIGHT
Article from Wall Street Journal:
Rev. Wright epitomizes the thoughts and actions that have prevented and continue to prevent black America from moving ahead and achieving their potential as a people. He suggests that this United States of America made up of sons and daughters of immigrants (I’m talking of the millions of 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants in this country) of every race, creed, color and religion, each and everyone of them who had nothing to do with slavery, somehow owe something to a group of people who have never been slaves?
Its amazing. It seems everyone is to blame for the shambles black society is in with its violence, drugs, high school drop out rates, misogyny, and a host of other real and virulent problems, except for the very people who engage in such behavior.
Enough. As a society, culture or people, they should look within themselves and fix their problems. When did this man become the spokesman for the black church? And of course his church is different, but that doesn’t mean his message and philosophy is acceptable, or productive, or non-offensive, or not-racist or indicative of our greater cultural behaviors, values and norms as Americans.
And yes, the link between this man and Obama really does matter. At a very minimum, it provides insight into the political and philosophical strain that Obama adheres to.
Comment by Bill Cosby -
April 28,2008
Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 9:22 AM
Seriously, I think Hillary better back off. She could run in 2012. Obama can’t. She wouldn’t be too old. Don’t know if she’s too tired to contemplate that though, as the 2012 campaign starts pretty soon :)
JiangxiDad on June 1, 2008 at 9:22 AM
I think we should really start listing all of the ways that McCain could f*ck up the election.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 1, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Yeah I read them and copied them to my hard drive, along with the Robin Williams comments (thought he was a die-hard lefty??).
I spent 20 years in an inner-city Brooklyn school. No surprises to me.
JiangxiDad on June 1, 2008 at 9:24 AM
So, an “uncommitted” vote in Michigan meant a vote for Obama? Dude! Is this for real?
How did they come up with that conclusion? If someone wanted to vote for Obama, they would have voted for him as a “write in,” which was one of the choices.
And to rely on exit polling for the results, really? Have there been any instances of elections being certified according to exit poll results?
The Dems have no shame.
geckomon on June 1, 2008 at 9:25 AM
Your reasoning is sound but the Clintons will act neither logically or rationally if they are denied the prize they are seeking.
rplat on June 1, 2008 at 9:30 AM
I just have one question: Is Al Gore still fat?
trubble on June 1, 2008 at 9:33 AM
Uncommitted went to Obama because those were votes against Hillary and he’s the only other candidate left with a campaign.
Typhonsentra on June 1, 2008 at 9:35 AM
I’m sure John McCain is upset with what’s going on with the Democrats. After all, if Hillary ends up having the Vice President spot, he will lose everything.
John McCain is probably the only politician who apologizes to his opponents for making valid political attacks against them on election year.
Every morning during this election season, John McCain looks in the mirror and practices saying “I apologize to you my friends.”
John McCain should apologize to the Republican Party for running for President.
And John McCain’s mother should apologize for giving birth to him.
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 9:36 AM
Compromise?
Yeah, right. What a dog and pony show.
They are using the penalty position toward Michigan and Florida as an excuse to nominate Barack Obama.
When they originally penalized Michigan and Florida, the purpose was to keep these two states quiet and not allow them undue influence on the remaining primaries.
They never expected a close final outcome like this.
Now that the individual states have had their say, there is no credible reason NOT to count those votes in their whole numbers, except to overshadow her clear popular vote dominance.
In front of the entire country, the DNC is telling all her supporters, “girl, just lie back and enjoy it”.
Saltysam on June 1, 2008 at 9:39 AM
rplat on June 1, 2008 at 9:30 AM
I’m with your line of thinking… The Clinton’s are going to spend the next batch of years handing out “payback” checks. Many (I mean MANY) ranking people in the Dem party, are in the position they are in compliments of the Clinton’s. Hillary has spent a great deal of time over the past 15 years, setting the chess board for her day; her moment in history. Payback time is a-coming… Payback time will also include many from the media the Clinton’s were pretty sure they owned.
Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 9:39 AM
I read some comments this morning on another site about this fiasco. The Hillary supporters are absolutely enraged. Many are saying they’ll vote for McCain in the GE; others are saying they’ll write in Hillary’s name. If Obama doesn’t put Hillary on the ticket, looks like he’s going to lose a lot of female Dem voters in the GE.
AZCoyote on June 1, 2008 at 9:40 AM
JiangxiDad,
What did Robin Williams say?
exhelodrvr on June 1, 2008 at 9:41 AM
I believe if Obama wasn’t running for President, he would check himself into the church of rehab like all the other Hollywood liberals do.
abinitioadinfinitum on June 1, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Nu Yawk is Hillary’s State? Yeah, and she’s a Yankees fan too.
bikermailman on June 1, 2008 at 9:44 AM
I beg to differ. All they had to do what seat the delegates and Hillary’s supporters would have had no reason to be bitter. Obama supports shouldn’t be too concerned with it since he’s going to win the nomination no matter what, for all the reasons we discussed for months now. The way to
“punish” the State Parties should have been to punish them personally by breaking their balls at the convention – hotel rooms assignments, dinner seating assignments, location on convention floor, etc… You make the convention unpleasant for the party elite who look forward to be treated like royalty once every four years.
TheBigOldDog on June 1, 2008 at 9:44 AM
So the vote of someone who thought “Wow, I can’t decide between these great candidates Hillary and Dodd, so I’ll say I’m uncommitted, and thank heavens that loser Obama isn’t on the ballot” magically becomes a vote for Obama. Better than nothing I suppose.
shazbat on June 1, 2008 at 9:47 AM
AZCoyote on June 1, 2008 at 9:40 AM
I can’t imagine Hillary taking the second slot under any circumstances. This woman is pissed off, with much of her anger directed at her own party for throwing her under the bus. I can’t imagine Hillary accepting these events “for the good of the party” after what “the party” has done to her.
Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 9:47 AM
David Axelrod, Barack Obama’s top aide, has been making a film about the newly-notorious Father Michael Pfleger.
David Axelrod, the next to be thrown under the bus?
Anita on June 1, 2008 at 9:48 AM
In case you haven’t noticed, the Clinton’s have lost control of the Party and the media. Their “payback” is now linted to a stern email. That why the Big Dogs have walked away from them. The Clinton era is over.
TheBigOldDog on June 1, 2008 at 9:49 AM
Anita on June 1, 2008 at 9:48 AM,
Hmm, that might be another big problem for the Saint Barry.
I wonder who has the footage?
forest on June 1, 2008 at 9:51 AM
So the Democrats are just inventing votes for Obama in MI.
LOL
VinceP1974 on June 1, 2008 at 9:51 AM
TheBigOldDog on June 1, 2008 at 9:49 AM
The Clinton era is over… Agreed 100%…
My point is simply that Hillary is not going to take the VP slot under Obama “for the good of the party”. That’s payback.
Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Shame that not one reporter had the guts to question him about that. (CST reporter Lynne Sweet broke that story).
Anita on June 1, 2008 at 9:55 AM
You DO realize you spelled her name wrong, G**-D*mn it!, when she SPELLED IT FOR YOU in the clip, G**-D*mn it!
Marcus on June 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM
TheBigOldDog on June 1, 2008 at 9:49 AM
They can wreak havoc on the entire party over the next 4 years though. They have a majority of “I-told-you-so” supporters in the Democrat electorate. The potential dynamic of this is unpredictable.
Saltysam on June 1, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Marcus on June 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM
ROFLMAO!
Saltysam on June 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Doesn’t it make you want to see the cat fight that will break out between hillary and nancy? It’s almost worth voting for her. Well, almost.
Bambi on June 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM
I listened to a lot of the rules committee hearing yesterday on POTUS 08, on XM satellite. The write in ballots were not counted in Michigan – and, because of some crazy rules, they weren’t allowed to be opened and viewed. Some quirky law that stated that the candidate had to give permission to be a write in candidate. That’s why they had to depend on exit polls to discern the intent of the voter (intent of the voter – hanging chads, sound familiar?)
Immediately after Michigan’s opening statements, several committee members voiced their concern over using exit poll data as a legitimate way to divide delegates.
Michigan’s argument was that since Obama wasn’t on the ballot, anyone who voted “uncommitted” they assumed was voting for Obama or Edwards.
Their logic was crazy. My husband and I both commented that baffoonery runs our country – not sane, logical people.
pullingmyhairout on June 1, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Here’s the Robin Williams comments.
JiangxiDad on June 1, 2008 at 10:02 AM
You go, girl!
http://www.conagrafoods.com/brands/jiffy_pop/index.jsp
Del Dolemonte on June 1, 2008 at 10:05 AM
The Democrat Party: Where everyone gets to vote! (Disclaimer: “By vote we mean not a full, actual vote, and not necesarily a vote for whom you fully, or partly, or actually, voted for.)
We are the party of the people! (By people we mean stooges of our choosing.)
Come join change and hope and democracy in action! (By Democracy, we mean a commitee of selected individuals who will then instruct you as to what action democracy will take. You’ll like it, because we and the media tell you to.)
Spc Steve on June 1, 2008 at 10:07 AM
That doesn’t sound like Mork to me. I’d like to see the original before I buy that. Nice ideas and all, but I doubt they came from Robin Williams.
trubble on June 1, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Is her name Christiansen or Christian?
What did Robin Williams say?
If Hillary eventually bows out & endorses BO, will that persuade her followers to vote for him?
jgapinoy on June 1, 2008 at 10:09 AM
Oh yeah, another thing – Obama and Edwards were not required to remove their names from the Michigan ballot. They did so out of their own accord. This seems like a set up to me – except Obama was figuring on being on the losing end and fighting for the Michigan delegates instead of the other way around. Obama: Take name off ballot, get behind in delegate counts, say that somehow the delegate count is skewed because all the candidates weren’t on the ballot, take it to rules committee, rules committee votes in your favor and voila! You are suddenly ahead in delegate counts and the liberal elitist whites have their “feel good” candidate – a young, energetic black guy with no experience, but with a great stare…
pullingmyhairout on June 1, 2008 at 10:10 AM
you’re prob.right. I better not talk to any bridge salesman today.
JiangxiDad on June 1, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Um, that’s what the MSM wants you to believe. If you look at each of the Senate races the MSM was saying the dems were going to take from the GOP, it’s a joke. Liddy Dole ain’t gonna lose. John Cornyn ain’t gonna lose. I still think Bob Schaffer will win in Colorado because the dems nominated a hard left, nasty personality, borderline 9/11 troofer named Mark Udall who has an even more obnoxious brother named Mo who is also a CO politician.
They are basing the MS prediction of dem victory on the fact that a dem won that special election in Wicker’s old district. But the GOP nominated a guy who looked very much like Scott McClellan (Mr. Potato Head) … not impressive, and the dems ran a conservative man against him and won.
The primary in NM is between Heather Wilson and a very conservative guy. I think Wilson will win the primary and will then win the general election. She’s smart, attractive, and appealing to a wide variety of voters….the only way she could lose is if hard core conservatives sit home and hand the seat to the dems because their guy didn’t win the primary.
Hmmmm. sounds familiar. And YOU BETTER BELIEVE the MSM is gonna find as many “True Conservatives” as they can to interview to try to depress GOP voter turnout. Don’t let them get away with it. The only way the dems get a veto proof majority in the Senate is if Americans let the MSM and Ronulans/MDS sufferers convince enough conservatives to hand it to them on a silver platter.
funky chicken on June 1, 2008 at 10:11 AM
RE: Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 9:22 AM
Quote taken from truthorfiction.com. Whether or not the views expressed in the above-mentioned rumour may actually reflect Mr Cosby’s views and whether or not these views may be of some worth independent of this I just thought it worthwhile to point out that this rumour about Bill Cosby’s ‘article’ in the WSJ might just be false.
schiehallion on June 1, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Oh, I think it would help him. She could do all the attacking while he takes the high road.
Wait, were you talking about her being OBAMA’S VP? Never mind…
MamaAJ on June 1, 2008 at 10:13 AM
The Maoist candidate has to pick a liberal woman to run with him to water down the “sexist” imagery. Hussein could go with Maxine Waters to help in the watering down. This would be the first all-black and woman ticket in history.
See ya in Denver riot police.
saved on June 1, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Thanks. Here in NY, my only connection to the real world is HA :) My captors haven’t managed to jam my internet signal yet.
JiangxiDad on June 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM
LOL
JiangxiDad on June 1, 2008 at 10:16 AM
How True!11!!1!1!1!
abinitioadinfinitum on June 1, 2008 at 10:16 AM
John Cornyn is not going to lose Texas. On the dem side here, Mikal Watts who is a very rich trial attorney, dropped out of the race last fall for the democratic nomination for Texas senator – he would have had a fighting chance against Cornyn because Watts is pro-life. But, with the multiple skeletons in his closet, he decided it was best not to drag his family through the mud with him. Smart choice, considering they are a really nice family.
pullingmyhairout on June 1, 2008 at 10:17 AM
So basically a Marxist president with a veto-proof majority might just be preventable after all.
Oh wait, I forgot. The “libertarians” are going to teach us all a lesson in November.
Hug a libertarian today!
jeff_from_mpls on June 1, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Wow. Thanks for that info. Both seemed too good to be true.
JiangxiDad on June 1, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Last night, before all the world, the democratic party voted again to be antidemocratic
.
Sooner or later, it will implode, hopefully before November.
Monas on June 1, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Robin Williams? Not quite:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/williams.asp
dextergreen on June 1, 2008 at 10:19 AM
If I’m Hillary, I don’t accept a VP slot. I think Obama may just be unelectable, now that he apparently slammed the Catholic Church in his Q and A from South Dakota yesterday. He said that lots of RC churches are so intolerant of homosexuals that he wouldn’t feel comfortable there.
I’m not sure how he then will explain away his cozy relationship with the virulently homophobic “Rev.” Meeks.
We’ll see if the RC commentariat chooses to let the insult slide. We’ll also see if the gay Hillary supporters bring it up.
funky chicken on June 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM
They can only wreak havoc now by leaking damaging info they have on fellow Dems. That requires a willing media which they no longer have. In fact, they now know that they are more likely to be the target than the source. The Clinton era is over. All their real power is now gone. All we can do is enjoy the damage they do at the Convention during their final death throws.
TheBigOldDog on June 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM
That is an e-mail from 2003 and is not Robin Williams according to snoops.
abinitioadinfinitum on June 1, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Thanks. Since they are not William’s, I’ve decided to make them mine. Please correct all originals to read JiangxiDad.
JiangxiDad on June 1, 2008 at 10:22 AM
That requires a willing media which they no longer have.
TheBigOldDog on June 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Murdock.
Saltysam on June 1, 2008 at 10:31 AM
As hard as the MSM tried to convince people that the Philly religion speech was some kind of new Gettysburg Adress, it appears that it actually was the bomb that it deserved to be.
Another example of why we can’t let the MSM convince us that all is lost, we should just sit home, because the dems are going to win big no matter what.
funky chicken on June 1, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Here’s a link to the WSJ article about Wright. The “Bill Cosby” comment is in the comments thread that follows. I very much doubt it was written by the actual Cosby. It’s just a screen name, after all.
sauropod on June 1, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Typically brave behavior from Barry:
But Barry wouldn’t be comfortable in lots of Roman Catholic Churches because they are so intolerant toward homosexuals.
One more time:
funky chicken on June 1, 2008 at 10:39 AM
DNC to all Hillary supporters:
“Just lie back, B!@ch, and enjoy it”
Saltysam on June 1, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Soooo… let me get this straight.
The Dems, through a hand picked bunch of Profesional Politicians, called the rules commitee, is GIVING Obama “votes” he never got.
And then people wonder why we don’t trust politians.
Sad part? these were mostly Congresspeople… kinda points out why their approval ratings are in the dirt.
Romeo13 on June 1, 2008 at 10:40 AM
This woman tells like she sees it and I applaud her. Politicians could take a lesson from her.
Wade on June 1, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Quite right!
Also, some republican members of congress should follow this womans lead and grow a pair.
And, wonder who in the heck Obama will choose for a running mate…
surrounded on June 1, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Did Bill Cosby really say those words… Don’t know, but here are some sites that think he did…
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=134952
http://www.freedomfta.com/forums/showthread.php?p=54297
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=870486
http://www.sodahead.com/question/92328/
I read this: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/05/bill_cosby_speaks_at_family_su.html
and it does seem likely that Cosby would have said those words.
Maybe Bill will come here and shed some light on this issue.
Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Screaming at the top of their lungs, the Dems, in lockstep with the MSM, accused Bush, and later the Supreme Court, of disenfranchising thousands of voters in Florida back in 2000.
In spite of the big hulabaloo put on by Gore’s pack of attorneys and follow-up investigations by the NYT and WaPo, their was not a single discovery of any disenfranchisement of Florida voters.
But now, this same party with it’s panties in a bunch over Bush’s so-called stolen election that wasn’t, gathers it’s leaders in the form of the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee and publicly before their delegates, publicly before the television cameras, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters.
Brother, that is hypocrisy with a gallactically huge capital “H”.
And the MSM *winked*.
fogw on June 1, 2008 at 11:01 AM
If Hillary is Obama’s VP, John McCain will lose everything, meaning: he will not be able to be Obama’s VP.
Got it?
Indy Conservative on June 1, 2008 at 11:01 AM
One way is to alienate conservatives like myself. As long as he is an amnesty whore I won’t vote for him.
An interesting side light is what the MSM left out. When I was a kid I can remember the Democratic primary credentials committee refusing to seat some black delegates. If it was the Republicans we would have been treated to a walk down memory lane in an endless loop.
snaggletoothie on June 1, 2008 at 11:09 AM
In the DNC Rules Committee meeting yesterday former Michigan Governor James Blanchard made one of the most important observations, but it seems to have gone over the heads of most. In explaining the fact that there was no DNC ruling that had required any candidate to remove their name from the Michigan primary ballot, the fact that Obama had removed his should not be considered a reaction to a DNC dictate, but instead just a very poor decision in campaign strategy.
The fact that Obama has been awarded the number of 1/2-vote delegates he was given, by the methods of calculation that was used by the Rules Committee, has enraged a significant number of Michigan Dems. I believe Obama will most certainly carry Wayne County (Detroit, Dearborn, etc), and maybe Macomb County, but there is now a very good chance that he will not carry Michigan in the General.
Yoop on June 1, 2008 at 11:13 AM
These people can not run a primary process much less the country.
Terrye on June 1, 2008 at 11:25 AM
This is hilarious! The Dems just decided to intentionally disenfranchise over two million voters with a committee decision in order to push the more radical of their two candidates on to the nomination. I hope the Dem voters in Michigan and Florida realize what what their party just did to them, and never again vote for another Dem candidate. Having people worth only half a vote reminds me of the Dems who pushed for blacks to be worth 3/5 of a person in Article 1, Section 3 of the Constitution.
davenp35 on June 1, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Why the hell would you spread that around? That should warrant a permaban here.
ninjapirate on June 1, 2008 at 11:27 AM
She’s right about that last part, McCain will be the next president, for better or for worse.
Maxx on June 1, 2008 at 11:29 AM
ninjapirate on June 1, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Google it ninja; I read that piece at several sites.
Whomever wrote those words (real Bill or not) has received wide circulation. I happen to think those words are very profound, and ring true in my experience.
permaban; what an idiot!
Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 9:22 AM
Snoops is a good website to validate such e-mails as well as invalidate them.
abinitioadinfinitum on June 1, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Yeah, right! Around the neck!
OldEnglish on June 1, 2008 at 11:39 AM
I agree with you. There’s very little upside to Hillary from being Obama’s VP. And it’s unlikely that Obama wants her as his VP in any event. But the offer will probably be made anyway, if just to try and placate Hillary’s ticked-off supporters. Obama is already having trouble with important Dem groups — Hispanics, Jews, working-class whites. He really can’t afford to alienate a big group of Dem women too.
There was also a lot of speculation on that other site about the potential impact of the rumored Michelle Obama videotape, in which she allegedly makes an anti-white rant while speaking at Trinity. Does anybody know if this videotape actually exists, or is this just another internet legend?
AZCoyote on June 1, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Man, that Operation Chaos was a bad idea that didn’t work at all.
misterpeasea on June 1, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I’d like to blame that on the Democrats too but there’s a couple of problems. First the Democrats did not exist as a party at the time the Constitution was written. Second, Article 1, Section 3, clause 3 was about how the census would be counted for purposes of Representatives and direct taxes.
Article 1, Section 3, clause 3
Maxx on June 1, 2008 at 11:57 AM
You know what’s an under-reported story? Operation Chaos in reverse. It’s Rush Limabaugh’s and others’ contention that McCain won Fl, and perhaps other places, because of open primary rules and that he got the Dem. vote. Talk about being hoisted by your own petard.
JiangxiDad on June 1, 2008 at 12:00 PM
There was also a lot of speculation on that other site about the potential impact of the rumored Michelle Obama videotape, in which she allegedly makes an anti-white rant while speaking at Trinity. Does anybody know if this videotape actually exists, or is this just another internet legend?
AZCoyote on June 1, 2008 at 11:50 AM
I’ve been seeing the same rumors floating around the net for the past few weeks. Problem is, even if the rumor provides us with something that appears to be real, who’s to say that a few weeks later the piece won’t proof out to be a fabrication; as appears to be the case with the Bill Cosby quote. The time is coming (rapidly) when we all will have to simply state something like “a person calling themselves (fill in the blank) has stated the following, which I happen to agree with.” A disclaimer must accompany the comment so that a permaban doesn’t follow the comment.
abinitioadinfinitum on June 1, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Appreciate the link… Keep in mind though; Snoops have been proven to be wrong also. As often is the case, one must follow the money.
Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 12:09 PM
I agree, I think Snoops leans pretty heavy to the left. They try to be the ultimate truth site but in my opinion they get it right just about as often as they get wrong.
Maxx on June 1, 2008 at 12:18 PM
I don’t want to live in a world where Ray Romano gets his own show but this gem of a woman doesn’t.
InDubly on June 1, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Maxx on June 1, 2008 at 12:18 PM
I’ve tried to dig up information on this site; who owns it; who are the donors….
I have struck out with every attempt.
One can’t ignore the lengths Soros and team will go to in an effort to shape the news. Think about what we do know; media matters, moveon.org, et al… I’m not saying snoops is illegitimate, I’m simply saying that one must be mindful of the new methods in place.
Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Indeed and I’m surely not saying Snoops is wrong about everything. But good propaganda always mixes some truth in with the lies. All I’m saying is I would never rely on Snoops opinion as the final word on any given matter. Far from it.
Maxx on June 1, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Maxx on June 1, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Agreed…
Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 12:46 PM
I did google it. None of the sites are respectable. It’s extremely lame to be spreading that.
ninjapirate on June 1, 2008 at 12:46 PM
McCain attracts both Republicans and Democrats?
jaime on June 1, 2008 at 12:53 PM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/cosby.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/cosby-wright.asp
Too late for the spreading theory ninga; google has dozens of pages on this article dated prior to this day. Like I said, a person calling him/her self Bill Cosby stated the following, which I find to be extremely profound words. Bill Cosby has stated very similar sentiments during previous speeches, as described in the links above.
I’m curious as to “why” these words have such a powerful impact on you. Snopes has labeled this story as “undetermined”…
Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 1:02 PM
I cannot even fein surprise as the democrap party has a loooong history of producing nonexistant votes out of thin air so as to offset the votes of real Americans, and that is expecially true of ChiTcago. I am surprised that they apparently disenfranchised all of the ILLEGAL Aliens within Michigan though, or did they? :oP
In Chicago, where Kennedy won by more than 450,000 votes, local reporters uncovered so many stories of electoral shenanigans–including voting by the dead–that the Chicago Tribune concluded that “the election of November 8 was characterized by such gross and palpable fraud as to justify the conclusion that [Nixon] was deprived of victory.”
Obama’s second gaffe occurred when the freshman senator waxed eloquent about those who have served our country, saying, “On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes—and I see many of them in the audience here today—our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.” He saw fallen heroes in the audience? Does Barack understand what Memorial Day means? And if they were dead, are they registered to vote in Chicago?
DannoJyd on June 1, 2008 at 1:08 PM
ninga,
My wife is giving me that look; you know the one “are you going to sit up there on that damn computer all day”. Might I just say these final words before I get my butt out in the yard (where my 4-dogs roam) and get some things accomplished before this day off comes to it’s end.
If these comment boards become so inflicted with POC and all of it’s diseases, every member of this community will eventually be banned; that would include you. Mistakes will be made, and today I posted information that proved to be non-authentic. I’ll make a better effort in the future ninga; I promise…
Personal attacks along with thread rape; these are acts of destruction that bring ruin to honest debate.
Keemo on June 1, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Danno, always glad to see you here. Great contribution too.
Monday will be an interesting day. Can’t wait to see Michelle O’s rants at Trinity. Now B. Obama’s going to say “leave my wife alone”. Heh!
Entelechy on June 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Hello again, Entelechy.
My ‘contribution’ is based on 2 decades of observing ChiTcago style politics, and I’ve noticed many of the political power brokers from that failed socialistic experiment have been injecting themselves into the Presidential races since 2000. Unfortunately for them, their bag of tricks has been catalogued, counted, examined, and thus they offer no real surprises in this election cycle. Cigarman’s minions may still have a few tricks up their sleeves though.
DannoJyd on June 1, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Prime example why women can’t be in charge…ruled by emotion and vindictiveness (sorry ladies, contrary to popular belief, Hillary does not have balls and neither do we… pretending to be a male and being a male are not the same thing. We don’t have time for Bill’s wee wee wandering to deal with his scorned wife’s rage in the WH. This woman proves it.
TOPV on June 1, 2008 at 2:33 PM
The MO video rumor-mongering needs to stop. Don’t be made a pawn of Crazy Larry Johnson. If it comes out it comes out. Don’t get this site labeled as a transmission belt for baseless accusations.
DrSteve on June 1, 2008 at 3:27 PM
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