Breaking: Obamas quit Trinity United Church of Christ

posted at 6:26 pm on May 31, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

According to Ace o’ Spades and The Corner, CNN reports that Barack and Michelle Obama have resigned from the congregation of the radical church to which they have belonged for over 20 years. If confirmed, the move attempts to end two months of controversy surrounding the commentary at TUCC by Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pfleger, and Otis Moss.

I’ll come back with more commentary once the details have been reported. However, I don’t see how this helps, and it could hurt in two different ways. First, it confirms that the church is not in the mainstream, which once again calls his judgment into question. Wright and Pfleger gave these kinds of sermons there the entire time, not just over the last few weeks. The big problem is that the Obamas sat in that church for 20 years listening to these sermons and finding nothing objectionably about them until they got disseminated to the nation.

Second, and potentially more damaging, it shows Obama’s willingness to throw anyone over the side when the boat starts sinking. That won’t go over very well with his core supporters who have admired his loyalty to TUCC, who excused Wright by pointing out that he had retired, and who bought Obama’s explanation of the “wonderful community” and great works of TUCC. Is that now nothing more than a convenient lie?

If the Obamas quit TUCC, they will confirm it as a political problem, and the act won’t convince anyone that they disagree with its rhetoric. They may convince people that he only joined TUCC for its political connections in Chicago — but that doesn’t exactly reflect well on Obama, either.

Update: Here’s the story at CNN, and it’s interesting why Obama quit:

“We don’t want to have to answer for everything that’s stated in the church,” the Democratic front-runner said. “We also don’t want the church subjected to the scrutiny that a presidential campaign legitimately undergoes.”

Obama said the Pfleger controversy made it clear that, as long as he remained a member of the Trinity congregation, remarks from the pulpit would be “imputed” to him, even if they conflicted with his personal views.

So he’s leaving because he doesn’t want TUCC to get further scrutiny, and not because he wants to distance himself from the radical nature of the church.  That’s not exactly a profile in courage.  Let’s recall what Obama said just ten weeks ago about his membership at Trinity:

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way….

Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety – the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity’s services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

This reaction combines the worst of both worlds — it says nothing that rejects the radical rhetoric, and it makes clear that he’s only interested in the political burden that Trinity now represents.


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Did Obama strike any of you as indignant?

He made the move and tried to keep the perisheners on his side, while getting rid of Wright and Pfleger.

I can’t wait for the Rev. Wright’s next speech, and his book to be out in Oct.

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 8:56 PM

ONly if you say that word using the Rev. Wright voice..

Did Obama strike any of you as INDIGNANT or is he just INGNANT?(Rev. Wright at the pulpit all p*ssed off!)

Chakra Hammer on May 31, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Did Obama strike any of you as indignant?

He made the move and tried to keep the perisheners on his side, while getting rid of Wright and Pfleger.

I can’t wait for the Rev. Wright’s next speech, and his book to be out in Oct.

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 8:56 PM


How dare they make me denounce that comedy club I’ve been apart of for 20 years…

Y314K on May 31, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Obama is his own worst enemy.

awake on May 31, 2008 at 9:03 PM

HA! folks take a look at THIS.

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 9:06 PM

The only baggage he has left to dump is Michelle.

29Victor on May 31, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Book project:

Chapter One
Section 1 Obambi dumps Michelle;
Section 2 Hillary gets rid of Bill.

Who wants to write Chapter Two?

Annar on May 31, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Obama & His Church [Amy Holmes]

There goes that historic, transcendent, life-changing, not since the Gettysburg Address, “I have a dream,” must-be-taught-in-every-school race speech. It didn’t hold up three months, let alone the time it would take to print up new textbooks.

The charitable explanation: Barack has belatedly discovered that no one person or church symbolizes “The Black Community.” Not a pastor, an athlete, singer, dancer, or blues man. We should be judged on the, dare I say it, content of our character.

The less-charitable explanation (which, ironically, his defenders will rush to offer) is that he’s preempting the unfair attacks that will bombard him from the right once the general is underway. The unenlightened public cannot be expected to understand the complexity of “The Black Church” which Trinity exemplifies. He must clear the path of unfair “distractions” that his affiliation with Trinity raises. In other words, he’s dumping his church of twenty years so that he can be president. He’s a politician and that’s what politicians do. Why should he be held to a higher standard? Right? Wright?

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTFhNGYwZTA4NzNmYmEwYzhlZWVmYzNjMWY4ZTcxYjk=

bnelson44 on May 31, 2008 at 9:06 PM

HA! folks take a look at THIS.

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 9:06 PM

LOL! Denver is going to be fun!

SouthernGent on May 31, 2008 at 9:09 PM

HA! folks take a look at THIS.

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 9:06 PM

“Hell has no Wrath like a White Woman Scorned”

fogw on May 31, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Can we all agree that Julia Banderas’ hair looks FABULOUS?!?!!? Wowza!

SouthernGent on May 31, 2008 at 8:48 PM

My mom and I noticed the same thing. It looked fantastic.

Rush, Levin, and Plante are gonna be so much fun on Monday! I’m on vacation and am thinking about staying in to listen.

I’m not buying the “statement” released by the church. It’s just for show. They can’t help themselves up there. They will turn on him by week’s end.

Dubn8tr on May 31, 2008 at 9:11 PM

HA! folks take a look at THIS.

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Damn straight!

Chakra Hammer on May 31, 2008 at 9:12 PM

“Hell has no Wrath like a White Woman Scorned”

fogw on May 31, 2008 at 9:10 PM

I knew this was coming.

Chakra Hammer on May 31, 2008 at 9:12 PM

Weight of Glory, it’s going to be a loooon, hot, summer/fall.

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 9:14 PM

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Heh. Fireworks.

Spirit of 1776 on May 31, 2008 at 9:14 PM

Loooooong, that is…

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 9:14 PM

But somehow, somewhere along the way, faith stopped being used to bring us together and started being used to drive us apart. It got hijacked.

Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.
A Politics of Conscience
Hartford, CT
June 23, 2007

“There’s been a lot of talk about party unity—let’s all come together, and put our arms around each other,” said Ickes, who is also a member of the Rules Committee that approved the deal. “I submit to you ladies and gentlemen, hijacking four delegates … is not a good way to start down the path of party unity.”

Associated Press article
May 31 2008

Heh.

Red Pill on May 31, 2008 at 9:14 PM

This must be some sort of record for a post to go from the right side of the page to the left side…

Hog Wild on May 31, 2008 at 9:14 PM

Chakra Hammer on May 31, 2008 at 9:12 PM

The poetry of an old white woman, at a DNC rules meeting, complaining about being a second class citizen in relation to a black man, declaring McCain to be the winner, all while wearing a “Hillary” sticker, is just too much, too too much.

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 9:16 PM

I’ll come back with more commentary once the details have been reported. However, I don’t see how this helps, and it could hurt in two different ways. First, it confirms that the church is not in the mainstream, which once again calls his judgment into question.

Ed, you are too focused on immediate political gain and not the big picture. Rather than trying to make some small point that isn’t that important–questioning Obama’s judgment–your focus instead should be on ending the racism of black people. Whites were forced to end their racism in the 1970′s. It’s more than time for the blacks to give up theirs. What Obama is being forced to do is a valuable step in that direction. Rather than quibble and whine, we should congratulate him on doing the right thing.

Let’s remember that despite the idiocy of the self-professed anti-racists, racism is evil. Without the racism among blacks, many blacks would be more conservative–which would be a positive political development. And it’s not like we don’t know the last sentence. It’s implicit in our frequent discussion of identity politics.

thuja on May 31, 2008 at 9:16 PM

Who wants to write Chapter Two?

Annar on May 31, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Chelsea Clinton marries Rev. Otis Moss III.

Chakra Hammer on May 31, 2008 at 9:17 PM

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Spirit of 1776 on May 31, 2008 at 9:14 PM

And here I thought this was going to be a boring Saturday.

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 9:18 PM

Obama is free,free at last,sing it to the mountains!

canopfor on May 31, 2008 at 9:19 PM

I’ll come back with more commentary once the details have been reported. However, I don’t see how this helps, and it could hurt in two different ways. First, it confirms that the church is not in the mainstream, which once again calls his judgment into question.

Ed, you are too focused on immediate political gain and not the big picture. Rather than trying to make some small point that isn’t that important–questioning Obama’s judgment–your focus instead should be on ending the racism of black people. Whites were forced to end their racism in the 1970’s. It’s more than time for the blacks to give up theirs. What Obama is being forced to do is a valuable step in that direction. Rather than quibble and whine, we should congratulate him on doing the right thing.

Let’s remember that despite the idiocy of the self-professed anti-racists, racism is evil. Without the racism among blacks, many blacks would be more conservative–which would be a positive political development. And it’s not like we don’t know the last sentence. It’s implicit in our frequent discussion of identity politics.

This reminds me of a song by the Clash… “The Clash – White RIOT”

Y314K on May 31, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 9:14 PM

I can understand why you have loon on your mind.

Freudian slip perhaps?

fogw on May 31, 2008 at 9:20 PM

This reaction combines the worst of both worlds — it says nothing that rejects the radical rhetoric, and it makes clear that he’s only interested in the political burden that Trinity now represents.

Amen, bro.

He was not presidential. He was subdued, if not depressed. And he was a victim, too — plus, as could be inferred from what you said (quoted above) a martyr.

The right will have a field day with this.

BLOC on May 31, 2008 at 9:21 PM

In Chicago, B. Hussein Obama can attend the Adalberto Methodist Church. Remember this??

Chicago Tribune Silent on Illegal Immigration Activist’s History
By Michael M. Bates | August 16, 2006 – 11:13 ET

On the Chicago Tribune’s front page today is the story of an illegal immigrant who’s taken refuge in a Chicago church to avoid deportation. The headline is “Act of faith, defiance” and the article includes a color photo of the woman and her son. Yesterday’s Tribune coverage on the event noted: “The church’s pastor, the Rev. Walter Coleman, said his congregation decided to offer Arellano refuge after praying about her plight.. . . ‘She represents the voice of the undocumented, and we think it’s our obligation, our responsibility, to make a stage for that voice to be heard,’ he said.”

Walter Coleman? Could that be Walter “Slim” Coleman, a longtime left wing activist? Yes, it is.

And what’s interesting is the Tribune makes no mention of the Reverend’s extensive background, much of it documented by the Tribune over the years.

A self-described community organizer, Slim was on the board of a group getting Federal money back in the 70s to provide free lunches to hundreds of poor children each day. Tribune writer Jeff Lyon reported in August of 1979 that an investigation disclosed the real participation was about 70 children a day.

This experience no doubt helped Coleman in becoming a key adviser to Chicago’s Mayor Harold Washington. A Tribune piece in August of 1984 carried the charges of an alderman that Chicago “agreed to give $70,000 to a health clinic operated by the Heart of Uptown Coalition headed by Slim Coleman, a Washington supporter.”

The following year Slim, then identifying himself as a journalist, was provoked by a Washington opponent and leaped to the City Council floor screaming “I’m going to get you” at the alderman. The Tribune’s Robert Davis reported in the June 14, 1985 edition: “Published reports have said the mayor often seeks Coleman’s advice, particularly on dispensing federal funds for neighborhood and community development. There also have been published reports that Coleman, after years of criticizing the political use of government money, has told community organization leaders that to dip into the federal trough, they would have to do political things like picket the homes (of Washington’s opponents.)”

According to Tribune columnists Kathy O’Malley and Hanke Gratteau in December of 1986: “Leave it to Slim Coleman to throw the first below-the-belt punch of Campaign ’87. The Uptown activist, who uses his community newspaper to defend his good chum Mayor Harold Washington, is spreading the word that he’s sitting on a dossier of photos, a sort of `”This is Your Life`” for (another) mayoral hopeful.”

After Mayor Washington’s death, the Tribune gave editorial advice to his successor: “People like Slim Coleman and Ald. Helen Shiller were making their influence felt during Mr. Washington`s second term; the new mayor should sweep them out of City Hall’s fifth floor and purge city policy of their loony leftist ideas.”

In 1990 the newspaper reported on the first Midwest Radical Scholars and Activists Conference. Wrote author Jessica Seigel: “‘Everyone is dissolving,’ said Uptown activist Slim Coleman at the Chicago conference Sunday. ‘Every time I meet someone, they’re no longer a Marxist-Leninist this or that.’”

In January of 1991, the Tribune covered an antiwar demonstration and noted the presence of Coleman, identified as “a longtime advocate of affordable housing and other causes.”

2004 found Slim condemning the abuse at Abu Ghraib and the Tribune reported: “Preaching at St. Adalberto United Methodist Church, a Hispanic storefront parish on Chicago’s South Side, Rev. Walter ‘Slim’ Coleman told his small congregation that the number of photographs–estimated at 1,500–shows the abuse was a policy, not an aberration in the war. ‘Rumsfeld said it was just a few rotten apples, not the policy of the government,’ Coleman said in a fire-and-brimstone sermon.”

The Most Reverend Coleman has quite a record, one that the Chicago Tribune and other media outlets should make some mention of in reporting his current activities. They don’t need to provide extensive details, but they should give their audience a clue.

DfDeportation on May 31, 2008 at 9:21 PM

thuja on May 31, 2008 at 9:16 PM

Ed’s point is completely valid because it speaks to Obama’s motivation. But your post is food-for-thought to be sure!

Spirit of 1776 on May 31, 2008 at 9:22 PM

wccawa on May 31, 2008 at 8:48 PM

I question your timing as well!!!!

WisCon on May 31, 2008 at 9:22 PM

“Hell has no Wrath like a White Woman Scorned”

fogw on May 31, 2008 at 9:10 PM

I knew this was coming.

Chakra Hammer on May 31, 2008 at 9:12 PM

Do I get any brownie points for saying almost the same thing (just minus the race card) 5 hours ago in a different thread?

For what it’s worth, the full original quote is:

“Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned,”

spoken by Perez in Act 3, Scene 2 of William Congreve’s The Mourning Bride (1697)

fogw gets brownie points for adding the race card to the quote.

Red Pill on May 31, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Weight of Glory, it’s going to be a loooon, hot, summer/fall.

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 9:14 PM

Loon, long; what’s the difference?

steveegg on May 31, 2008 at 9:24 PM

I’m not white but I am ready to WHITE RIOT against the MSM…

Y314K on May 31, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Red Pill on May 31, 2008 at 9:23 PM

For what it’s worth:
While many attribute the quote to William Shakespeare, it actually comes from a play called the “The Mourning Bride” (1697) by William Congreve. The complete quote is “Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned / Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned.”

Spirit of 1776 on May 31, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Y314K on May 31, 2008 at 9:27 PM

fogw gets brownie points for adding the race card to the quote.

Red Pill on May 31, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Given the subject matter, brownie points is poor choice of words :)

fogw on May 31, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Y314K on May 31, 2008 at 9:29 PM

If at first you don’t succeed…

Try, try again…

steveegg on May 31, 2008 at 9:30 PM

HA! folks take a look at THIS.

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 9:06 PM

I’ve been hearing from Democrats just like her for months. They call talk radio in Boston regularly and express the same sentiments. The Obama supporters have all but disappeared. All the working class whites have been saying for months they are voting McCain. If it’s true and they represent the majority, it could be a landslide.

TheBigOldDog on May 31, 2008 at 9:31 PM

1. So much for his commitment to faith;

2. So much for his commitment to the people of his congregation, even though he stuck up for the “church” in his “most important” speech on race in our lifetime;

3. His resignation shows his true character – when things get too hot, turn your back on what you know.

As president, if he gets there, he’ll do the same to America.

madmonkphotog on May 31, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Gonna try one more tim…

The Clash – White Riot

Y314K on May 31, 2008 at 9:33 PM

steveegg on May 31, 2008 at 9:30 PM

TY… Great song….

Y314K on May 31, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Given the subject matter, brownie points is poor choice of words :)

fogw on May 31, 2008 at 9:28 PM

You just made a heckuva statement.

James on May 31, 2008 at 9:35 PM

HA! folks take a look at THIS.

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Guess the her piece of the Identity Politics pie was too small.

baldilocks on May 31, 2008 at 9:36 PM

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Note to the RNC – give this woman whatever she wants, just make sure she is in Denver for the convention!

WisCon on May 31, 2008 at 9:36 PM

Given the subject matter, brownie points is poor choice of words :)

fogw on May 31, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Heh. I always thought “brownie points” were points toward brownie (little Girl Scout) badges. But I was a Webelo, not a brownie…

Red Pill on May 31, 2008 at 9:37 PM

Note to the RNC – give this woman whatever she wants, just make sure she is in Denver for the convention!

WisCon on May 31, 2008 at 9:36 PM

Don’t give them any dumb ideas. They’ll probably give her the keys to the Naval Observatory, which would be but a few not-as-liberal members of the Senate away from the Oval Office.

steveegg on May 31, 2008 at 9:38 PM

Spirit of 1776 on May 31, 2008 at 9:27 PM

If Hillary is successful in winning the nomination, then Michelle Obama will be “The Mourning Bride” and, indeed,

“Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned
Nor hell a fury like Michelle Obama scorned.”

Red Pill on May 31, 2008 at 9:40 PM

Damn! I go make casadias, come back, and you all are 100 more comments ahead.

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Damn! I go make casadias, come back, and you all are 100 more comments ahead.
Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Cheese-beef-chicken?

Nelsa on May 31, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Damn
Limerick on May 31,2008 at 9:49PM.

Limerick: Have you thought of a way to keep track of the
comments on the way to the kitchen,may I suggest
a small rolling table,with monitor and keyboards!

Oh,but make sure you have a long cable,unless
you have a wireless thingy!

And as a bonus,you can push the unit to the can,
a hum,do your business,and not loose any precious
time ,that way you will be on top of the situation!

What say you?

canopfor on May 31, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Nelsa on May 31, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Cheese, guacamole, salsa, pork, and jalapenos fresh from my garden (and man oh man did I get a great batch this year—–howwwwwwwwwzaaaaaaaaaaaa!)

canopfor on May 31, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Nah….I left my browser open (dumb Lim, dumb) and when I got back and refreshed the screen I saw how far it jumped.

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Zombie over at LGF posts this remark about OhBummer:

Out of sheer orneriness, I’m posting this again, because no one seems to have noticed it:

Magic Bus

by the Who, Me?

Every day I add to the queue (too much, magic bus)
of folks to throw under the bus — like you. (too much, magic bus)
They’re so nervous, they just sit and smile (too much, magic bus)
Your time is coming, just wait a while. (too much, magic bus)

Thanks Rev. Wright, for getting me here (too much, magic bus)
Without your sermons I’d be stuck on my rear. (too much, magic bus)
I don’t want to cause no fuss (too much, magic bus)
But can I throw you under my Magic Bus? (too much, magic bus)

onlineanalyst on May 31, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Tongue ain’t so golden without a Tele-prompter.

And men who can’t use their tongues without help annoy me.

Sekhmet on May 31, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Damn! I go make casadias, come back, and you all are 100 more comments ahead.

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Mhhhh, but that w/b quesadillas, my friend.

VinyFoxy would go after you :)

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Sekhmet on May 31, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Whoa Nellie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

onlineanalyst on May 31, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Hilarious! MB4 has competition!

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Chelsea Clinton marries Rev. Otis Moss III.

Chakra Hammer on May 31, 2008 at 9:17 PM

LMAO.

Jaibones on May 31, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Not in my house!

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:07 PM

He had to resign, he’s already been baptized into the Church of Oprah.

labrat on May 31, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Beat this Lim

I’m leaving Trinity
Not for infinity
The Rev. Wright me brung
In politics high I swung
Now I’m in the wrong vicinity

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:09 PM

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 9:49 PM

BTW your spelling casadias translates roughly to “house days” LOL

Nelsa on May 31, 2008 at 10:09 PM

Theme Song for Denver, at very, very high volume:

Psychadelic Shack

It’s 1970, people. I got the LCD HDTV, a lot of Pinot, I’ll stock up on Newcastle and popcorn.

I can’t wait.

Jaibones on May 31, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Nelsa, at least Lim was close with his “not in my house” :)

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:12 PM

BTW Your spelling of casadias translates roughly to “house days” LOL

Nelsa on May 31, 2008 at 10:12 PM

Damn! I go make casadias, come back, and you all are 100 more comments ahead.

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 9:49 PM

I went to eat while on page 1, came back and we’re on page 3 and now page 4. A lot of comments to amuse me. LOL

abinitioadinfinitum on May 31, 2008 at 10:13 PM

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:12 PM

LOL

Nelsa on May 31, 2008 at 10:13 PM

There’s something about a person who is this ambitious to be President that always causes me to pause.

Regardless of their ideology or political affiliation.

Sure, all of them are ambitious; you have to be in order to endure the process – it’s physically and mentally exhausting (among other things).

But there’s a point where the ambition is so raw that you sit up and say…Hmmm?

SteveMG on May 31, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Barry don’t quit that church
Just ’cause the pastor is Lurch
Hang in there, my friend
Don’t blow in the wind
You’re climbing to the top of the perch!

How’s that Miss E?

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Food for thought-
Obama STILL has NOT denounced his church, only resigned.

abinitioadinfinitum on May 31, 2008 at 10:15 PM

Very good Lim – you and I could go all night.

Obama STILL has NOT denounced his church, only resigned.

abinitioadinfinitum on May 31, 2008 at 10:15 PM

He needs both – transparency for the thinking – the lemmings deserve him fully.

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:17 PM

ahhhhhhhhh…er……….

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Lim, you’e next

Barry quit that church
His buddy John Kerry’s still a Lurch
Hang in there, my friends
Not yet make amends
Unknown who’s in the perch

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:20 PM

Pastor, why’d you go an say that
The press will call me a rat
You baptized my kids
Kept my marriage off the skids
You crazy old man, you’re a bat!

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Lim has funny thoughts on his mind
Of his own lady I must him remind
We’re just good friends
HA odds and ends
Lady Limerick, Lim’s a good find

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Btw, Lim, I learned this from you – you win. I’m not Irish.

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:26 PM

So how likely is this? This doesn’t sound like something Clinton would agree to, but who knows.

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Barry once crossed Miss E
Feathers were flying you see
She ran down the hall
Aimed straight for his _____
Now he’s singing way off key

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Very good Lim – you and I could go all night.

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:17 PM

ahhhhhhhhh…er……….

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Bravo! Great response!

Red Pill on May 31, 2008 at 10:29 PM

This reaction combines the worst of both worlds — it says nothing that rejects the radical rhetoric, and it makes clear that he’s only interested in the political burden that Trinity now represents.

He is only quitting because we are too stupid to “get the church.”

EJDolbow on May 31, 2008 at 10:29 PM

He has as much allegiance to church as he has to his values and country.

TheSitRep on May 31, 2008 at 10:30 PM

This is a true story of one’s desire to reach the
brass ring,the bitterness and clinging of one’s hope.

Its of a long and challenging journey to reach the summit
only to realize that you have lost your faith,hope and
religion!

Its high up on Bend over Backwards Don’t go There
Bigot Mountain,where even the angels dare to tread!

Its of faith gained and faith lost,and of one mans
obsession to throw it all away,and go to the darkside!

Will he keep throwing every one and everthing under the
bridge,or over the side,will hope prevail,or will he be
cast into the gapeing *pit of a black hole,where even
political light can not escape!
*(canopfor regrets the gapeing pit of a
black hole,and apologizes for any
likeness to an Astronomy phrase!)ha ha :)

canopfor on May 31, 2008 at 10:33 PM

Miss E
You see
Would ask for a real debate
Into oblivion he’d try to evade
She’d test him with glee

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:34 PM

Another reason this is political suicide for Obama:

For the past several months liberal commentators and politicians have been insisting that the views expressed from the pulpit of Obama’s church can in no way be used to attack Obama and what he believes. “Guilt by association” they called it.

By this action, Obama is either turning his back on his church of 20 years because he is a weakling surrendering to this (supposedly unfounded) guilt by association charge or (more likely) he’s admitting that his opponent’s charge is accurate, that his association with this church says something about him personally.

To put it another way: if there is nothing wrong with associating with his church then to leave is cowardly and weak, but if there is something wrong with associating with them then he should have left a long time ago.

So now whenever a conservative commentator attacks Obama for his association with the church and it’s various pastors and a liberal commentator blames the conservative of arguing “guilt by association” then the conservative need only ask “then why did he leave the church?”

29Victor on May 31, 2008 at 10:34 PM

No doubt about that Miss E.

HA really needs to offer you a gig.

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:35 PM

Now he’s singing way off key..
Limerick on May 31,2008 at 10:27PM.

Limerick: Go Limerick,Go Limerick!

May the force be with you as you verbaly paint
your verbal Rembrants! :)

canopfor on May 31, 2008 at 10:36 PM

Lim, they already did – monkey in chief :)

You’re fun to banter with because you’re so good natured. Say “hi” to your good lady.

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:38 PM

canopfor on May 31, 2008 at 10:36 PM

Every time I do AllahP puts another pin in the effigy.

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:39 PM

He is only quitting because we are too stupid to “get the church.”

EJDolbow on May 31, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Indeed. Or maybe it’s that we get it too well (like that Palestinian stuff in the chuch bulletin).

The thing I find interesting in “Black Liberation Theology” is the word “Liberation“…it reminds me of the
Palestine Liberation Organization” or the
Chinese “People’s Liberation Army“.

I think “Liberation” is one of those Orwellian terms…

“Communism is Liberation”

Exit Question:
What is it exactly about Rev. Wright’s sermons that is so “liberating”?

Red Pill on May 31, 2008 at 10:39 PM

canopfor, how’s Canada? And, how are you? It’s amazing that you can take all our woes with such patience.

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Didn’t David Duke leave the kkk also?

peacenprosperity on May 31, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Yikes!!

From the article ….

Another Democrat who has discussed strategy with friends in the Obama inner circle said that Mr Obama was openly considering asking Mrs Clinton to join his cabinet, alongside two other former presidential rivals: John Edwards, who is seen as a likely attorney general; and Joe Biden, who is a leading contender to become Secretary of State.

Giving Janet Reno and Madeleine Albright a run for their money as worst cabinet appointments evah!

fogw on May 31, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Entelechy on May 31, 2008 at 10:38 PM

Good she be. Wouldn’t trade her for two of anything else.

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Let me give this a try, Miss E, I borrowed your glee :)
.
Barry and Wright – at Trinity
Hating on whitey with no sympathy
Then came Pfleger who dissed Hillary
Under the bus they all went,
as Hillary smiled with glee!

abinitioadinfinitum on May 31, 2008 at 10:42 PM

Food for thought, indeed……..

Obama has twenty years in the “audience”…

Well, let’s take a look at the “audience’s” reaction in the following clips:

Shall we start with Number One:

His message….

How about Number Two:

He once asked, “Did you hear the whole sermon?”, well here it is….

How about Number Three:

How dare you……

This is hate, pure and simple, revisionist history, keeping the business of “racism” alive and well, and Barak Obama is a Graduate Student of it…….. have no doubt about it.

Every word was intentional, thought out, and provoked the reaction that it was intended.

This is no mistake, no fluke, no misstatement…. This is the preaching of “hate”, pure and simple.

And now, only now, Barak Obama wants to “resign” from the “church”……..

This man is criminally incompetent to run anything other than his own family……….

Seven Percent Solution on May 31, 2008 at 10:43 PM

fogw on May 31, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Exactly. Which is why I think that wont happen. Is she really going to take health secretary, while two guys, who couldn’t get a plurality of votes in a democrat primary if their lives depended on it, then snag the AG and SS spot? I don’t think so.

Weight of Glory on May 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM

abinitioadinfinitum on May 31, 2008 at 10:42 PM

Good start!

Here is the formula;

1.a
2.a
3.b
4.b
5.a

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM

What is it exactly about Rev. Wright’s sermons that is so “liberating”?

Red Pill on May 31, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Letting your HATE flow freely

abinitioadinfinitum on May 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Barry and Michelle left alrighty
That church that doesn’t preach the Almighty
He stuttered and stammered
Michelle’s gettin’ hammered
And will come out (again) to blame Whitey

SouthernGent on May 31, 2008 at 10:47 PM

(I’ve created a monster!) Run, Lim, run!

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:48 PM

Oh this is gonna make it all go away right Barry?

TroubledMonkey on May 31, 2008 at 10:48 PM

Doo waa doo waa ditty,
here comes the gal from
New York City,sitting
politicaly pretty!

canopfor on May 31, 2008 at 10:48 PM

Here is the formula;

1.a
2.a
3.b
4.b
5.a

Limerick on May 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM

I’m lost.
Do you mean I have no rhythm
My Mom always told me I had two left feet.

abinitioadinfinitum on May 31, 2008 at 10:51 PM

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