Video: Top advisor lies about Obama’s pre-surge position

posted at 6:44 pm on May 30, 2008 by Allahpundit

Via the Standard, a sweet piece of oppo research. January 2007: You can throw 30,000 troops at the problem and it won’t make a difference. May 2008: No one ever said it wouldn’t make a difference if you threw 30,000 troops at the problem. The spin here will be the same old feeble leftist crap, that Obama merely meant there’s no military solution to Iraq’s problem, which is both true and almost entirely beside the point. Yes, of course, for Iraq to become a functioning state it needs both security and a working political process, and that political process isn’t where we need it to be. But why should the deficiencies of the latter completely obscure the tremendous gains of the former? It’s not that there’s no military solution to Iraq’s problem; it’s that there’s no military or political solution to Iraq’s problem if either one or the other are lacking. Both are necessary, neither is sufficient. Theoretically, if you take the left seriously on this point, reducing violence in the country to absolute zero wouldn’t matter a whit so long as the Iraqi parliament remained paralyzed. That’s the kind of “reality-based” military judgment we can look forward to before too long.

The other favored spin when this subject comes up is to admit the security gains and accept that, yes, they have had some salutary effect, but naturally only the tiniest portion of that is owed to the surge. It’s another example, like minimizing the role of Al Qaeda in Iraq in the civil war, of the left building the facts to fit its narrative, the cardinal rule of which is that no move Bush makes, under any circumstances, can have any merit. That’s how you end up with the sort of cretinous, willfully disingenuous idiocy Pelosi displayed in crediting Iran’s “goodwill” with the recent quiet among the militias. So let’s follow our standard M.O. and ask H.R. McMaster what he thinks. Any connection between the surge and the nascent political solution inside the country, General?

So what’s changed? Iraq’s communities have largely stopped shooting at each other. That has been an achievement of the physical security efforts of our forces and I would highlight very courageous and determined Iraqi security forces who took extraordinary risk to make that happen and have fought in a determined way to make that happen. What we have seen is a result of people stopping shooting each other, which is the first step in getting people to talk to each other, I guess. There has been some real bottom up movement toward the political accommodation I mentioned just a moment ago.

And what we are seeing now I think is some top down movement toward political accommodation as well and we could talk specifically about how some of the political dynamics over the last couple of months have created a condition from maybe movement toward political accommodation at the national level. But what has happened and I think we can see this now in retrospect is that political accommodation at the local level has placed some social pressure on the Iraqi government to move in the same direction or key actors within the Iraqi government who represent portions of the communities who were fighting each other.

And now you’re properly prepared for the clip. Remember, Obama’s alleged infallibility in judgments about the war is the very core of his foreign policy credentials; he’s the man who knew knew knew the surge wouldn’t matter, and if we put him in a position to influence events, doubtless he’ll prove himself right. Oh, and after you watch, be sure to skim this very quickly to see who else appeared on Face the Nation the same day he did when he made these comments and what that other guest had to say.

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Well, he promised change. He’s changed his positions, his “spiritual leadership” and now… the past.

He’s amazing!!

29Victor on May 30, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Obamites have believed lies for so long that they are immune to truth.

Hope & Change is all they need.

TheSitRep on May 30, 2008 at 6:51 PM

The next four years with him as POTUS are going to be a train wreck. Carter will be happy though, as he will lose the title of Worst President Ever in the history of the USA.

Hope the USA survives an Obama 4 year term.

Voidseeker on May 30, 2008 at 6:52 PM

“or any military officer that I’ve spoken to

Well, that explains that.

DrSteve on May 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Voidseeker on May 30, 2008 at 6:52 PM

So if the world ends 2012, 12-21 can we blame Obama for the Hope and Change?

He’s amazing!!

29Victor on May 30, 2008 at 6:49 PM

I seriously chuckled on that one.

upinak on May 30, 2008 at 6:56 PM

The Obamanation speaks!

Mojave Mark on May 30, 2008 at 6:56 PM

Axelrod is, shall we say, NOT articulate?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on May 30, 2008 at 6:57 PM

Clearly my little cracker brain is unable to grasp all the subtleties and depth of Do’hbama’s ‘multifaceted’ policy positions.

innominatus on May 30, 2008 at 7:01 PM

This is all they have to do… show the changes in policy…

Effective, and no one can say they are lieing..

Romeo13 on May 30, 2008 at 7:03 PM

A string of general election debate questions forcing Obama to confront his changing positions would be ideal.

* Rev. Wright
* Surge
* Talks with Iran

What else?

aunursa on May 30, 2008 at 7:05 PM

aunursa on May 30, 2008 at 7:05 PM

The on-again, off-again lapel pin flag thing is kind of petty, but I think it should be included if only for the sake of completeness.

innominatus on May 30, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Obama discussed it with Pvt. Scott Thomas Beauchamp, and they both agreed the surge couldn’t work.

RBMN on May 30, 2008 at 7:21 PM

The deployment of 21,500 additional troops is part of a new plan to secure Baghdad and other parts of Iraq, McCain said. “We will go in and we will clear and hold and build,” he said. “As most people know, we have gone in and cleared and left and the insurgents have returned… Do I believe it can succeed? Yes, I do.”

Asked about critics labeling the ”surge” in troops as the McCain Doctrine, in a bid to tag the leading Republican contender for the ’08 presidential nomination with the war, the senator said: “I think maybe I could call it McCain principle – that when I vote to send young men and women into harm’s way… I am committed to seeing it through.”

Thanks Allah, and Weekly Standard. McCain was for a surge or a more aggressive stance in Iraq way before Bush was. He was right, and deserves thanks for that, as the new direction in Iraq has saved lives.

funky chicken on May 30, 2008 at 7:24 PM

O is giving that Jedi Mind Trick a good thorough testing for when its really going to be necessary: after the inauguration.

baldilocks on May 30, 2008 at 7:26 PM

In July of 2004, the day after his speech at the Democratic convention catapulted him into the national spotlight, Barack Obama told a group of reporters in Boston that the United States had an “absolute obligation” to remain in Iraq long enough to make it a success.

“The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster,” he said at a lunch sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor, according to an audiotape of the session. “It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective.”

Such sober rhetoric has of course been lacking from the Obama presidential campaign, the candidate instead having opted for a “Surrender on Day One” platform and a “What me worry?” attitude to potential ethnic cleansing and regional instability. What, you may wonder, could possibly account for the differing stances between Obama v. 1.0 and Obama v. 2.0, particularly the jarring modification of what he once deemed an “absolute obligation?” Because he’s a Democrat, obviously an “evolution” is to credit! Only odious conservatives flip-flop for political benefit.—– from the NYT via Redphone

I have on rare occassion seen references to this early position that Obama took on Iraq. He acts like he never said this. I wonder how Axelrod would try to make it disappear.

snaggletoothie on May 30, 2008 at 7:34 PM

aunursa on May 30, 2008 at 7:05 PM

That he’ll raise the capital gains tax rate in the interest of “fairness” even though it will lead to a decrease in revenues.

Spolitics on May 30, 2008 at 7:39 PM


the surge couldn’t have worked, because the war was a mistake, so everything involved with it is wrong, no matter what reality shows.

This will play with 50% of Dems.

profitsbeard on May 30, 2008 at 7:42 PM

That’s the kind of “reality-based” military judgment we can look forward to before too long. — Allahpundit

You really think Obama is going to win don’t you Allah? Tell you what, I got two-hundred bucks that I will donate to the charity of your choice if Obama, (or Hillary in case she should somehow get the nomination) wins the Presidency.

And of course if McCain wins you donate two-hundred to the charity of my choice. Whoever loses has to post the paypal receipt, or other type receipt (minus personal information of course) right here on HotAir.

So how confident are you? Up for this little wager?

Maxx on May 30, 2008 at 7:45 PM

youtube took it down.

Beto Ochoa on May 30, 2008 at 7:48 PM

The on-again, off-again lapel pin flag thing is kind of petty…

Only in the sense that a man mumbling another woman’s name “on again, off again” in his sleep is “petty” in the eyes of his wife.

The love of the US may be conditional or tentative in the hearts of many, but not in the heart of anyone who expects that we seriously consider him as Presidential material. Or in his wife’s.

drunyan8315 on May 30, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Just wait until the troops are gone then see what happens. Let me guess…an overthrow of the whatever “democratic” government is in place and, uh, uh…oh yeah…civil war. Of course that won’t happen with a McShame presidency since he plans another 100 years in the sand.

DanKenton on May 30, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Some reformers may urge that in the ages distant future, patriotism, like the habit of monogamous marriage, will become a needless and obsolete virtue; but just at present the man who loves other countries as much as he does his own is quite as noxious a member of society as the man who loves other women as much as he loves his wife. Love of country is an elemental virtue, like love of home.

The death-knell of the republic had rung as soon as the active power became lodged in the hands of those who sought, not to do justice to all citizens, rich and poor alike, but to stand for one special class and for its interests as opposed to the interests of others.

Theodore Roosevelt

Lots of good TR quotes here:

funky chicken on May 30, 2008 at 8:10 PM

youtube took it down.

Beto Ochoa on May 30, 2008 at 7:48 PM

It’s still up

lsutiger on May 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Funny thing is that Pelousy already tried to give Obama an out…

Incomprehensible but an out non the less…

The out is that she went to Damascus last year… And had secret talks with the Iranians… And that melted their little hearts… And due to the Iranians kindness… Iraq looks better today then it did a year ago…

Iraqi Troops getting over their learning curb- Has nothing to do with it…
US & Allies Steadfastness – Has nothing to do with it…
AQ’s Brutality – Has nothing to do with it…

In Obama’s & Pelousy’s mind… The bad guyz are the only one’s holding all the cards… And all you need is a charming empty suit to bring change…

Y314K on May 30, 2008 at 8:42 PM

The Lying King*,Obama!

If America was to withdraw,Obama will get his
Iragi bloodbath,courtesy of Iran!

*(canopfor shamelessly regrets stealing the
parody title from Rush Limbaugh!) :)

canopfor on May 30, 2008 at 8:54 PM

Another “disappointment” for the Obama. Can he just give us his ‘malaise’ speech now and get it over with?

The next four years with him as POTUS are going to be a train wreck.

Voidseeker on May 30, 2008 at 6:52 PM

I think that would be a nuclear (or nucular) train wreck.

RickZ on May 30, 2008 at 9:00 PM

In all its whining about invasions and wars, oddly enough, Dems conveniently forget that LBJ escalated Vietnam, and once upon a time, the vast majority of them agreed with Bush about Iraq and GWOT.


Wanderlust on May 30, 2008 at 9:04 PM

An overly ambitious product of affirmative action post 60s America surrounds himself with racists, liars, marxists, race baiters, domestic terrorists, crooks and Chicago Wise men, an America Hating Wife and wants to be President.

He is a Democrat, like Robert KKK Byrd.

Ain’t that special!

We are in for a very dark four years if this clown gets elected. He is a total idiot on both Domestic and Foreign Policy issues. It will bode far worse than a second Carter Administration for Us All. This jerkoff does not posess a lick of the good sense that God gave a crowbar.

Why he seems to enjoy celebrity status is beyond me. He has never built a business, met a payroll or accomplished anything in the private sector. He is well fed at the public trough. Dark days ahead if America votes stupid again.

old trooper on May 30, 2008 at 9:08 PM

“or any military officer that I’ve spoken to”

Well, that explains that.

DrSteve on May 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Dead on. Obama’s narrative will be that his advisors were wrong and made a mistake.

knat on May 30, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Remember he said that throwing troops at the situation wouldn’t change things. Enough democrats have already said that the military situation in Iraq was getting better “despite the surge.”

Pelosi has already stated that it was the warlords that got tired of the violence and ended it. That is one of the really tough issues about debating with democrats. There position is that they take all position on every issue. Being a democrat means that you can never be outflanked.

Mormon Doc on May 30, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Silly bitterclingers!!!

Don’t listen to what he says, FEEL what he means.

Use the force!!!! The force of hope and change!!!


Talon on May 30, 2008 at 10:16 PM

For those of you who throw around the term because you do not like a candidate for another reason, THIS is what flip flopping looks like.

EJDolbow on May 30, 2008 at 11:11 PM

I don’t see how this discussion will in any way help Michelle Obama’s kids, and help her pay for fruit at the fruit stand.

In fact, this very discussion may leave poor Michelle woefully underfunded in her $350,000 no-show job, and her husband’s measly government service job salary.

Let us pray…

Jaibones on May 31, 2008 at 12:03 AM

The spin here will be the same old feeble leftist crap…

Allah? Rush? Levin?

By the way, who the hell are you, and what have you done with Allah?

And if this can be the work of Allah – I really think Obama’s getting a bad rap, here – Pundit, then what will the hordes of glassy-eyed ObaMessiah robots do when this flaming video finally pierces the impenetrable frozen fog in their brains, and they realize that Obama is just another lying douche of a corrupt politician, and a socialist clown to boot?

There will be hell to pay. I’m applying for a job as the devil’s cashier…tomorrow.

Jaibones on May 31, 2008 at 12:08 AM

Good Grief

I used to think, that the sKerry campaign had been poorly run.

franksalterego on May 31, 2008 at 12:41 AM

Among a few changes America will get from Marxist Obama, will be a lot less money in our wallets. IMO, look for hints and clues for large reparations rip offs. A tip came the other day from Fr. Michael Pfleger’s sermon (racist hate speech), from the TUCC.

byteshredder on May 31, 2008 at 12:50 AM

“…if we put him in a position to influence events, doubtless he’ll prove himself right.”

So, we’re staying home on election day, ’cause McCain is a Poopy-Head, who feels sorry for mexicans.

Some – I say, SOME people need to get a grip.

franksalterego on May 31, 2008 at 12:52 AM

One word: judgement.

max on May 31, 2008 at 6:04 AM

Besides the obvious lie shown by the video, all you have to do is listen to the wording…Axelrod says ‘throw’ troops into the surge. You can’t honestly claim you mean anything positive when you use that phraseology.

James on May 31, 2008 at 7:47 AM

byteshredder on May 31, 2008 at 12:50 AM

Barrack [sic] Obama’s pastor not only spews anti-American rhetoric from the pulpit but favors shaking down U.S. taxpayers for “reparations” for slavery. The Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright was the keynote speaker at the 2007 annual conference of N’COBRA, which stands for the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America.

Wright’s talk, “A Call for Justice and Repair,” followed a statement in which he declared that “The Biblical principle of true repentance is that the offended party is given compensation to make up for that which has been stolen from them, the losses that have been inflicted upon them and their families.”

Maybe Barry slept through that sermon too.

Buy Danish on May 31, 2008 at 8:07 AM

Obama, reluctant to commit himself to any vote blocking spending for the war

Reluctant to commit.

Another “present” vote.


drjohn on May 31, 2008 at 9:05 AM

I used to think that a man or woman who goes to Harvard or Yale had to have plenty of smarts. But after seeing Gore, Kerry, and this here Baka Obama in action, I can honestly say that those there schools are overrated. Highly overrated. Course what do I know, I live in Fly Over Country.

thekingtut on May 31, 2008 at 9:19 AM

For Obama, seeking the Presidency, is nothing more than the lefts demand for more entitlements. Me me me give, me more me me me me to hard gime gime gime much easier.

MSGTAS on May 31, 2008 at 9:58 AM

Obama’s defense:

“[Axelrod] wasn’t — you know, he was never my, quote-unquote, ‘senior campaign strategist.’

He was never my ‘campaign manager.’ He was — he was just a guy I know from the University of Chicago. And so to some extent, how, you know, the — the press characterized in the past that relationship, I think, wasn’t accurate.”

Missy on May 31, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Blink queried: “How much success can Iraq endure and still be considered a failure?” In the eyes of liberals, Iraq will never, ever be a success because you see, ‘we never, ever should have invaded in the first place’. If it was a ‘Repub’ decision, it’s just Wrong, no matter what.

Yes, once Obama has touched the lives of his sychophants, they are completely unable to discern the truth from lies. This seems like it came from the pages of Animal Farm.
Another tangent:
Ba ba black sheep have you any bull?
Yes sir, yes sir, three ‘mugs’ full.

Christine on May 31, 2008 at 2:13 PM