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What’s Latin for ‘irretrievably silly’?

posted at 4:20 pm on May 28, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Good Catholics like Fausta Wertz and The Anchoress have begun to fear the Mass — not for its liturgical content, but for the increasingly silly attempts to turn it into entertainment. At a Call to Action conference last month, the closing liturgy featured giant puppet costumes, who had to avoid the liturgical dancers bounding around the congregation:

Fausta says she now avoids the Catholic Mass because of these ridiculous displays. I have to agree that it would be painful to have to sit through this, and it’s not the only outbreak of puppetry in the Liturgy these days, either; this one comes from the Twin Cities. It reminds me of the campy variety shows staged by Sid & Marty Krofft during the 1970s, the most notorious of which featured the cast of the Brady Bunch. Try watching that for more than a few minutes, if you can find it.

The Catholic Church went through this phase before, in the 1970s. In an effort to make itself more “hip”, churches began offering what they called “guitar Mass”, with music more relevant to people under the age of 40. People reacted negatively to that as well, but there is a big difference between the two. The change in liturgical music intended to bring people into the Mass as an inclusive, group effort, and it worked in the long run, providing much greater diversity in Catholic liturgical music.

This seems like almost like a satire of that effort. The liturgical dancers are certainly sincere, as are the people who put together the puppets, but this is a performance aimed at people, not one intended to include people. It makes the performance the center of attention and not the Word. However well-intended this trend may be, its effects are to diminish the Mass for everyone but the performers.

I wouldn’t avoid Mass for this reason, although Lord knows I come up with sillier excuses all the time. If it bothered me to that extent, I would register my discontent with the parish priest and ask for less focus on showmanship and more on the actual Word of God. Parishes are communities, and every member has a voice in how Mass gets celebrated in them, and each member has a responsibility to engage when they see something amiss. If it continued, I’d be looking for a more serious parish that puts its energy into something other than massive Puppet Masses.


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ROFLMAO! Just the looks on the faces of the blue-hairs says it all! I’m Catholic and I’d be in front of the parish council raising holy hell if they tried this crap in my parish!

HotJavaJack on May 28, 2008 at 4:24 PM

There’s no way that could have helped Michelle Obama’s children.

Chuck Schick on May 28, 2008 at 4:25 PM

HEH! Take that satan!

BL@KBIRD on May 28, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Only if I could read the minds of the seniors sitting in the pews. Who knows what they may have been thinking…

“Martha, what the heck is this? Did I forget to take my medication today?”

cannonball on May 28, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Thanks for the memories, Ed.

I actually attended the World of Sid and Marty Krofft.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 4:28 PM

So just exactly what would the theme to “H.R. Puffinstuff” sound like in Latin?

jon1979 on May 28, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Self indulgent people…the dancers, the priests, the puppets, the choreographers…too bad they have to focus on themselves and not the message.

right2bright on May 28, 2008 at 4:30 PM

The change in liturgical music intended to bring people into the Mass as an inclusive, group effort, and it worked in the long run, providing much greater diversity in Catholic liturgical music.

Yeeees … but boy, did we end up with a lot of crappy songs too. How did we get from Handel and Mozart and plainchant to “Gather Us In?” And the pity of it is, in practice (at least in our area) we really don’t have diversity – the great old music is never part of the liturgy anymore. Most of the time I’d rather go to a music-free Mass.

I would register my discontent with the parish priest and ask for less focus on showmanship and more on the actual Word of God.

More than that, focus on the presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Anything that takes away from that should be removed from the Mass.

That’s one thing I’ve heard about the old Tridentine Rite – the fact that the priest faced the altar instead of the worshippers made the whole Mass more of a worship occasion and less of a performance. I think there’s a lot to be said for that.

Rosmerta on May 28, 2008 at 4:31 PM

When I lived in the uptown area many moons ago…. mid 80’s…. I was a parishioner at St. Joan of Arc church. I lasted 6 months. This particular parish is nothing but a sharing house for the most liberal and anti American culture philosophies. This YouTube video might have brought back all those bad memories. Now, I am at a Tridentine rite parish, I recovered.

MNDavenotPC on May 28, 2008 at 4:33 PM

I’m a practising Catholic so please don’t take this the wrong way but for fuck’s sake…

schiehallion on May 28, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Those puppets are creeeeeeepy!

txsurveyor on May 28, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Wow.

Even the Reform synagogues haven’t reverted to puppets.

And that dancer… whoa…. This is like the 1960s acid version of Mass.

Meryl Yourish on May 28, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Some people don’t realize that Catholic churchs aren’t as uniform as one might think. Different priests from different orders can give churches a very different feel. Two years ago after moving, me and my wife visited the two local Catholic churches. The closer one was having one of those “folk Masses” or guitar masses. Me and my wife eventually decieded to drive a little further and go to a more traditional church.

BohicaTwentyTwo on May 28, 2008 at 4:43 PM

I see that and I thank God I am Eastern Orthodox. We use the divine liturgy of St. John Chrysotsom that has been in use since the 4th century.

Orthodoxy: not new, not improved.

RobertInAustin on May 28, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Eh, I also got tired of the Church trying to be “hip” and started attending the 6 a.m. mass. It was me and the nuns. It was contemplatively quiet and quick!

Blake on May 28, 2008 at 4:45 PM

HEH! Take that satan!

BL@KBIRD on May 28, 2008 at 4:26 PM

LOL

C. S. Lewis has a terrific short passage in The Screwtape Letters (can’t find a link just now) regarding liturgical ministers who draw attention to themselves instead of drawing the mind to God. He uses this as an argument for ritual and formula, so derided nowadays but very effective, when you know “what’s coming,” to concentrate one’s mind on God and communicating with Him instead of forcing the mind to wander to (as Lewis put it) “What on Earth is he [or she] doing now?”

inviolet on May 28, 2008 at 4:46 PM

the closing liturgy featured giant puppet costumes

I’m pretty certain the Pope banned such lunacy in the 70s. I think it was Paul, but could have been JPII.

Ratzinger…errr…Bennie the 16th won’t stand for such foolishness. He was head of the Inquisition for a reason. Phone call in 3…2…1…

I R A Darth Aggie on May 28, 2008 at 4:46 PM

In my opinion, the only thing the Catholic Church should be more liberal with is their effort to defrock priests who blatantly and repeatedly ignore the Church’s teachings.

RBMN on May 28, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Self indulgent people…the dancers, the priests, the puppets, the choreographers…too bad they have to focus on themselves and not the message.

right2bright on May 28, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Precisely. (I’m Catholic BTW.)

inviolet on May 28, 2008 at 4:47 PM

I’m a practising Catholic so please don’t take this the wrong way but for fuck’s sake…

schiehallion on May 28, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Strangely enough, that’s exactly what the monsignor of my parish back home would say (he’s a former USMC Chaplain) if someone tried this on his watch.

Spc Steve on May 28, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Went and googled Call To Action to see who they are, its what I thought.

I was looking at the list of the speakers at the November conference and John Shelby Spong was on it, tells me all I need to know about this group of children.

RobertInAustin on May 28, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Nothing weird about that all. Nope!

ronsfi on May 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Suddenly sharia doesn’t seem so bizarre.

RobCon on May 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM

I’m a Baptist. Hear the sermon, sing a hymn, eat Sunday dinner. I like it that way.

kcd on May 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Who is the 8-foot-tall puppet supposed to be, Reverend Wright?

Whatever happened to “Amazing Grace”, “How Great Thou Art”, “Christ the Lord is Risen Today”, and “Hail Holy Queen Enthroned Above” and many other uplifting hymns that don’t need any dancers?

Catholics believe in the Real Presence of Jesus at the Mass. He deserves more dignity than this.

Steve Z on May 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM

In an effort to make itself more “hip”, churches began offering what they called “guitar Mass”, with music more relevant to people under the age of 40.

I’m not Catholic, but Protestant churches have done the same. I don’t like it when a church tries too hard to be cool, but I like the updated music.

Many of the hymns we were singing before were actually reworked bar songs anyway, so updating music to fit the times wasn’t really new.

Puppets though are… interesting.

Esthier on May 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Did Milli Vanilli start their own cult?

RobCon on May 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM

“Stultissimus” works for me. Thank God my parish isn’t anything like that.

Mark Jaquith on May 28, 2008 at 4:52 PM

I don’t understand why they have a puppet of Bob Marley. ??

ronsfi on May 28, 2008 at 4:52 PM

WTF??? And you yankees think we Southerners are morons. I think the South just rose again…

robblefarian on May 28, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Looks like Macy’s fired their coordinator for Thanksgiving Day parade, and he found another outlet for his creativity….

Think_b4_speaking on May 28, 2008 at 4:53 PM

It reminds me of a scene from a bad movie trying to replicate a pagan worship service.

I figured it was Episcopalian for sure, and was a bit surprised to read it was a Catholic service. I thought ghey was out in Rome?

Hening on May 28, 2008 at 4:53 PM

I should add, I don’t have anything against “Catholic performance art” – just not during the Mass! But if it was done in a separate setting I could like it.

Rosmerta on May 28, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Team Basilica, World Police?

mymanpotsandpans on May 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM

H.R Godnstuff.

ronsfi on May 28, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Not this particular example, mind you.

Rosmerta on May 28, 2008 at 4:58 PM

H.R Godnstuff.

ronsfi on May 28, 2008 at 4:57 PM

RIPL (Rolling In the Pew Laughing)

Rosmerta on May 28, 2008 at 4:59 PM

fatuissimus est.

Sekhmet on May 28, 2008 at 5:00 PM

JESUS, what the hell was THAT!?!? The interpretive Jesus-as-burn-victim dance??

“Mamma, mamma, the giant Shaq-Jesus is in my closet and he’s gonna karate chop me with his footlong hand!”

Way to stay classy there Catholic Church…yeesh.

TheGoblinKing on May 28, 2008 at 5:01 PM

another reason why Catholics should keep demanding more and more parishes which practice the Tridentine ( ‘Latin’ ) Mass

Blame Vatican II: they started this…….dreck

Janos Hunyadi on May 28, 2008 at 5:01 PM

When will the seventies go away?! The problem is mass has become congregation oriented, not Christ centered. Even the architecture is dumbed down so as not to inspire any real sense of the transcendence.

Irenaeus on May 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM

quomodo sedet sola civitas

Lamentations 1:1

jeff_from_mpls on May 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM

H.R Godnstuff.

ronsfi on May 28, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Recommend closing comment thread. It can only go downhill from here.

BohicaTwentyTwo on May 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM

ACK! And I was thinking of re-upping because I do admire Benedict’s defense of western civilization (no other leader seems to care).

The words of the “hymn” sound kind of peace-andjustice-y so maybe these are the activist class and t/4 borrowed puppets and drums from the protest crowd.

PattyJ on May 28, 2008 at 5:04 PM

The closer one was having one of those “folk Masses” or guitar masses.

I’ve attended “folk masses”, and was in a “folk group” one year during college, to provide the music for this type of mass. The only difference between those and the traditional masses was the instruments. We had guitars and an electric bass, and occasionally a piano, instead of the organ.

But we had nothing to do with dancers and giant puppets.

Bigfoot on May 28, 2008 at 5:05 PM

I’m not even Christian, but when I think of the Catholic Church, the first thing I think of (other than the fantastic pulper by Dan Brown ‘Angels and Demons’) is ‘Classy’ or ‘Classic’, maybe even ‘Reverence’, ‘Time Honored’.

That?? That’s a frickin’ joke.

TheGoblinKing on May 28, 2008 at 5:05 PM

The problem is mass has become congregation oriented, not Christ centered. Even the architecture is dumbed down so as not to inspire any real sense of the transcendence.

Irenaeus on May 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM

EXACTLY, that is what I was trying to say!!

TheGoblinKing on May 28, 2008 at 5:06 PM

I wouldn’t call it moving, but it has inspired a movement. I think I crapped myself laughing at those dancers.

When you said dancers I thought catholic school girl uniforms. I was so very, very wrong.

trubble on May 28, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Patty J, don’t be troubled. You’re seeing the last gasp of the its-all-about-me crowd in the Catholic Church. All the old timers, the big Vatican II activists, know they’ve lost. They’re bitter and resigned, and they do this in retaliation; and now we’re seeing what they were made of all along, and we are vindicated.

jeff_from_mpls on May 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Ouch. 26 seconds was the best I could do.

rihar on May 28, 2008 at 5:13 PM

As far as I know, liturgical dance isn’t approved by the Vatican.

Asher on May 28, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Asher, you are correct, liturgical dance isn’t allowed. The loophole for getting around it is to have the dance before the opening prayer so it’s technically not in the mass, though some don’t even bother to go for the loophole.

jeff_from_mpls on May 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM

You have GOT to be kidding!

Kill the dancing, the puppets, the touchy feely stuff and bring on the Latin Mass.

johnsteele on May 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM

I’m tired of all these off-topic posts.

Can we get back to Sid and Marty Krofft, please?

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM

They should take a break in the middle of mass for five minutes of calisthenics.

thuja on May 28, 2008 at 5:18 PM

If you hadn’t told me it was Catholic, I woulda guessed some sort of Unitarian thing.

SouthernDem on May 28, 2008 at 5:19 PM

I don’t know that I’d call it “irretrievably silly.” “Irretrievably offensive” maybe, but certainly not silly.

obladioblada on May 28, 2008 at 5:23 PM

If you hadn’t told me it was Catholic, I woulda guessed some sort of Unitarian thing.

SouthernDem on May 28, 2008 at 5:19 PM

I would have guessed some kind of tribute to the Muppets thing…wow…just wow…

kcd on May 28, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Years ago, we were members of a Presbyterian church whose pastor liked “Chancel Drama” at every opportunity. We knew there was something not quite right about the guy (he avoided talking to people one on one, didn’t visit shut-ins, etc), but he gave really good sermons, so we shrugged it off.

Later, with closer contact with the pastor, we discovered in the course of several discussions that the man wasn’t really a Christian…much less a Presbyterian…at all: he didn’t really believe any of it and was totally consumed with self promotion! But how did he deliver such wonderful sermons? He subscribed to three different “sermon of the week” services: the words and thoughts were not his, but his acting skills carried the day (but just on Sunday). Eventually the Session (Board of Ruling Elders) figured out what the problem was and replaced him, but he did a lot of damage (mostly by negligence) before that happened.

Lesson: beware of those who attempt to pollute or dilute the ministry or religious doctrine and/or tradition in order to be “modern” or “hip”. Carefully question them to find out who they really are, what their motivation is, and what they are trying to accomplish: then make sure the whole package is supporting the mission of the church – not abandoning it and taking off in another direction.

landlines on May 28, 2008 at 5:29 PM

No one has ever done anything like this in any Catholic Church I’ve ever gone to.

Connie on May 28, 2008 at 5:30 PM

First we have the Muslims trying to take over the schools and now the “theater” crowd is trying to take over the church. What’s Next?

multiuseless on May 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Hey Ed have you ever expressed your love for McCain with interpretive dance?

DFCtomm on May 28, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Good Catholics like Fausta Wertz and The Anchoress have begun to fear the Mass — not for its liturgical content, but for the increasingly silly attempts to turn it into entertainment.

I, for one, would like to call out The Anchoress’ increasingly silly attempts at political punditry.

This is a woman who is, self-admittedly, a former liberal (as if they are ever former) and menopausal. OK. She is more mercurial than Mercury itself. I used to visit her site for book ideas, some of which were quite good. However, I distinctly remember her assuring us that Nancy Pelosi would never be elected Speaker of the House.

BigD on May 28, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Ed,

Where does the Anchoress say she fears going to the mass? All she’s saying is for these sort of displays to STOP.

You seem to implicitly characterize this kind of crap as happening often enough at enough Catholic masses to make this a trend. This is not. These people are wacko 70s leftists who are at odds with the Church on its fundamental teachings and who are proud dissidents.

In short, this is not a “Catholic phase” or any other sort of widespread problem of the Church. This is a local, minor, small, pathetic set of whackos from the 70s who are old and dying off and are trying to up the ante before they are thrown into the dustheap of history.

Sydney Carton on May 28, 2008 at 5:59 PM

Well, heck… why not just roll out a golden calf. You know?

fabrexe on May 28, 2008 at 6:00 PM

WTH is that?

Puppets creep me out. weird.

Chakra Hammer on May 28, 2008 at 6:03 PM

I go to a Southern Baptist Church that has a bit of a Non-denominational twist. We have had dancers at times during normal services. Some people like old hymns, some like the newer stuff. The old hymns we have now used to be the newer stuff at one point and were criticized when they were first brought out. Some people love interpretive dance. A church can and should find ways to make worship different at times. It’s got to reach out to it’s community.

My neighborhood went from mostly white bread to Mexican and Asian over the years. We started Hispanic and Laotian missions. They were very successful and the Pot Luck dinners improved quite a bit!

There are many ways to worship as long as you keep Jesus as the center of the message. We also have puppets but we save those for the kids service and Vacation Bible School. Those huge suckers woulda scared the crud outta most kids.

GoodBoy on May 28, 2008 at 6:03 PM

…but this is a performance aimed at people, not one intended to include people.

Oh, Ed, how can you? It was inclusion personified. There were old people, a young person; a black (gay?) person, an Hispanic person; short people, VERY tall people; a differently-abled person. I’ve never been to the web site, but I’m sure it’s rife with “inclusion” and “diversity.” Yer just a hater.

eeyore on May 28, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Easter Island; explained.

Maquis on May 28, 2008 at 6:08 PM

Back during my seminary days (I left a year short of ordination), I had a wise old professor whose ordination pre-dated Vatican II point out that the major difference between a liturgist and a terrorist was that you can, in fact, negotiate with a terrorist. Here we have proof of the truth of the old man’s words.

By the way, 90% of what we saw in that video violates liturgical norms set by the Vatican.

And let’s not forget what is missing in what we saw — a sense of reverence.

RhymesWithRight on May 28, 2008 at 6:13 PM

For some reason, clips from “The View” don’t seem so bad any more.

Splashman on May 28, 2008 at 6:14 PM

“Stultissimus”

That is the exact word I was thinking….

Hahah, stupid religions major.

Squid Shark on May 28, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Fausta says she now avoids the Catholic Mass because of these ridiculous displays. I have to agree that it would be painful to have to sit through this, and it’s not the only outbreak of puppetry in the Liturgy these days, either; this one comes from the Twin Cities.

Yeah, because Catholic doctrine demands giant puppets.

Ed, way to paint all Catholics with a broad brush of insanity. This is obviously a Charismatic Catholic church (on the verge of being excommunicated) that sprung from a radical interpretation of Vatican II. Don’t lump the crazies in with everyone else.

Why not show services from WATER and insinuate that their praying to God as a woman as typical or somehow orthodox among Catholics?

Or why not depict the Sede Vacante as the true bearers of the flame?

This is no different than a Catholic wondering when those wacky Protestants are going to stop this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GMCNv86svA0

This group is in the minority, even if that minority has grown at a worrisome rate in the past 30 years.

darclon on May 28, 2008 at 6:51 PM

You guys are right; liturgical dance is NOT allowed in the Catholic Church.

Well, it’s a Call to Action “liturgy.” That explains everything.

inviolet on May 28, 2008 at 6:53 PM

This is something some liberal would create to make the church look bad. And we would all get angry saying that this is not how the Catholic Church is…and we would gnash our teeth in anguish.

right2bright on May 28, 2008 at 6:56 PM

I guess this isn’t something new.

right2bright on May 28, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Looked like extreme charismatic silliness to me. I’m protestant and while I like some of the new music I think it’s a serious mistake to toss aside the old music.

aikidoka on May 28, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Might as well bring out the Vatican Rag again.

Socratease on May 28, 2008 at 7:27 PM

Like we don’t have enough problems?

If it was about fannies in the seats why don’t they do WCW All Nuns smackdown.

No wonder the Latin rite is gaining in popularity.

Iblis on May 28, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Take a closer look at that video, and you will be lucky to see anyone younger than fifty. This is a dying generation of aging children who never grew up. Many of them are in professions within the Catholic infrastructure. But they are losing out to a younger generation, the one without (alleged) “pre-Vatican II” baggage, who flock to the more Traditional Latin Mass (the so-called “Tridentine Mass”). In ten, twenty years maybe, this will all be so over!

Pope Benedict knows this, and has been laying the groundwork for a restoration of Catholic tradition. It won’t happen overnight, but it will happen.

manwithblackhat on May 28, 2008 at 7:39 PM

inviolet,
You confirmed my suspicions–they’re a bunch of lefties. The bongos and the puppets gave them away.

What is it with lefties and puppets?! Are they like those fur people, where they get a kick out of it?

Benedict, smite these people!

PattyJ on May 28, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Hic stipatores bardus est.

ronsfi on May 28, 2008 at 8:19 PM

I recommend reading Postman’s Amusing Ourselves to Death. He wrote it 20 years ago, yet it is eerily relevant to this nonsense.

DrMagnolias on May 28, 2008 at 8:54 PM

So that’s what Gheorge Muresan is doing these days.

Knuckledragger on May 28, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Looks like there might be some copyright infringement here…

Knuckledragger on May 28, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Steve Z on May 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Right. Dear Lord, I am mortified by these self-absorbed art losers. right2bright also nailed it – these freaks have made themselves God.

As for the music, they also perverted a pretty cool old hymn: “O to raise my Ebenezer!”

Jaibones on May 28, 2008 at 11:23 PM

All I could think of when I saw the giant puppet people: “Here we see an enraged pantomime Princess Margaret, she is lying in wait for her breakfast. The unsuspecting breakfast glides ever closer to its doom. The enraged pantomime royal person is poised for the kill. She raises her harpoon and fires. Pang! Right in the toast. A brief struggle and all is over. Poor breakfast!”

Michael Bates on May 29, 2008 at 4:57 AM

12. Whereupon Saint Sigmund did turn unto his Sea Monsters and say, “Lo, for their wickedness, a mighty wave shall fall upon The Banana Splits and rend them assunder. The Earth shall be cleansed forever of their evil, because they are a little more creepy than we are.”

James on May 29, 2008 at 7:43 AM

Catholics believe in the Real Presence of Jesus at the Mass. He

deserves more dignity than this.

Steve Z on May 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Is Christ’s dignity preserved in any mass where people believe that man made

bread and wine can be transformed into His physical body and blood when a priest

calls Him down to be worshiped?

Exodus 20:4, Isaiah 44:6-23

Read the above Bible passage and ask yourself. What has become of the remaining

materials that would have been made into bread and wine before the mass? Were

they used like the “rest of the wood” in verse 17?

When Jesus spoke of eating His flesh he was equating it to belief.

John 6:25-69

Believe in Christ the Messiah whose life was a one-time sacrifice that actually

accomplished what the offerings of the priests could not do.

Hebrews 9:11-28

shick on May 29, 2008 at 9:36 AM

What the Flock?

MSGTAS on May 29, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Believe in Christ the Messiah whose life was a one-time sacrifice that actually

accomplished what the offerings of the priests could not do.

Hebrews 9:11-28

shick on May 29, 2008 at 9:36 AM

I am a Catholic, I do believe in Christ the Messiah, and His life was a one-time sacrifice; Catholics believe as you do regarding that. The Mass is NOT a resacrificing of Jesus (a common misconception). It is a representation of what is eternally going on in Heaven; Jesus who “lives forever to make intercession for us” (Hebrews 7:25) by presenting to His Father the once-for-all sacrifice He made. There is no time in Heaven; Christ’s one sacrifice is eternally “now” and presented to the Father on our behalf.

For further reading on what the Catholic Church actually teaches, if you are interested:
http://www.catholic.com (links to subjects on the left side of page)
and

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/index.htm

Have a good day.

inviolet on May 29, 2008 at 3:32 PM

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