Video: The obligatory “Mike Barnicle on ‘nitwit’ bloggers” clip
posted at 3:17 pm on May 28, 2008 by Allahpundit
Karl and the ‘Busters are indignant, sufficiently so that I’m guessing this will be of some interest to our readers, but I honestly couldn’t care less. I don’t mind being reminded that I’m not part of the news media; I happily concede the point, if by “news media” he means reporters. (If he means we’re not part of the media at all, how’d the Obama/Auschwitz thing end up on MSNBC’s plate?) What he misunderstands is that blogger antagonism towards the press, at least among the blogs I read, has always been less about “elevating” blogs to parity with journalists than denying that most journalists operate on some elevated plain to begin with. That’s why the sharpest criticism is usually reserved for especially egregious examples of hauteur, in which some tool congratulates himself for his influence (e.g., “the deciders”) or speaks in purple prose about the secular priesthood of which he’s a member. No blogger I know would claim that he could do John Burns’s job, but oddly enough, it’s rare that you’ll find anyone of Burns’s stature worrying about bloggers. It’s usually guys like this, convinced that he’s operating at some intellectual depth that would crush the average lowly nitwit chained to the computer in his mother’s basement. Follow the link to Karl’s post and revisit some of his career lowlights to see just how deep that depth is.
Note Capehart’s comment near the very end, too, about the poor press being whipped into an unthinking furor. By nitwits.
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It is getting to the place with B.O. that he has committed so many gaffes since he started his campaign, you could very easily make them into a book of quotes.
Stupid quotes, but quotes none the less.
pilamaye on May 28, 2008 at 3:21 PM
If the “news media” had been doing its damn job in the first place, that pathetically inexperienced sleazeball BHO would never be within 100 miles of the Presidency.
TexasJew on May 28, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Isn’t there some pyschological term for what Mike “The Barnacle” Barnicle said? I mean, he’s a nitwit trying to obscure the fact that he’s a nitwit by calling others nitwits.
darwin on May 28, 2008 at 3:25 PM
If bush had made all these gaffes it would be taken as proof that he’s dumb.
Those who are upset with bloggers have real reason: the bloggers are pulling back the curtain, showing that those reporters are not the powerful Wizards of Oz. I get more info from Messrs. Totten & Yon than most “reporters” in Iraq.
rbj on May 28, 2008 at 3:26 PM
I believe it’s called projection.
MarkTheGreat on May 28, 2008 at 3:26 PM
You nailed it my brother. That’s exactly it.
ulyses on May 28, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Us bloggers, or at least we who read and comment, are angry at the contempt the MSM has for the common folk. As if only they have the intellect to inform.
We don’t expect the blogs to “rise to the level” we expect the blogs to level the pious hill they have placed themselves on. And you and other real experts have.
When they misrepresent the service and the uniform…who corrects it.
When they create fake documents, who revealed them as fake.
When the fauxtos of “Red Cross” trucks were hit by missiles, who uncovered it.
Doctored photos…
The list is part of history, and will continue.
For every “journalist” who is an expert, there are 100 real experts waiting to expose him…this is America, now, the press no longer dictates what is news.
Welcome to the real America, the free America, the intelligent America; the America that no longer listens to your sirens song.
right2bright on May 28, 2008 at 3:27 PM
I would think that at this point in time, a blogger would be seen as a little bit higher on the intellectual food chain than a member of the MSM.
jjshaka on May 28, 2008 at 3:27 PM
This is very good. When they start calling us names it’s a sure sign we are really getting on their nerves. Nothing makes me happier.
Maxx on May 28, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Didn’t Barnicle get busted for plagiarism while working at the NYT or Boston Globe at some point ? Not much room to talk if I’m remembering correctly.
Blacksheep on May 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Someone should suggest to Mike Barnicle that if he wishes to criticize the growing new blogger media which is replacing his sinking ship of old media he would be wise to keep holding his megaphone above the rising water. Bubble bubble.
viking01 on May 28, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Some blogs are very good and some very bad. This is a much better batting average than the MSM has. Except for Fox (and not always) they are universally bad.
duff65 on May 28, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Of course. Every time he makes one it’s considered proof that he’s stupid.
But if Obama makes one, well, hold on now, that’s not even really news. It’s just “stupid.”
Esthier on May 28, 2008 at 3:37 PM
MIke Barnicle was to the late great MIke Royko what Marie Osmond is to Maria Callas. And that was before he got busted for making it up.
mymanpotsandpans on May 28, 2008 at 3:37 PM
What can I say? I’ve just moved to a new apartment, and I don’t think we’re gonna get standard cable. I read news online anyway, and I’ll reserve my TV for news about upside down trucks on local highways.
freevillage on May 28, 2008 at 3:39 PM
As the perfect barnacle, Mike Barnicle sould attach himself firmly to Harry Reid’s arse and stay where the sun doesn’t shine forever. The pompous idiot.
Travis1 on May 28, 2008 at 3:40 PM
AP,
You and I agree on the source of blogger antagonism towards the press. My annoyance here springs from the irony of the MSM being elevated by the ethically-challenged Barnicle.
Karl on May 28, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Who’s Mike Barnicle?
Hening on May 28, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Congratulations to Purple Avenger, Michelle Malkin, and the rest of the Pajamahadeen!
RushBaby on May 28, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Exactly! Over the last few years blogs have elevated stories that would have never seen the light of day in the mainstream media. This is especially true concering wrongdoing by the media itself. The fake photos that were passed off to the public for years and years somehow were never detected by the MSM. Isn’t that strange?
Somehow, no matter how corrupt the media got we never heard a story about it’s corruption.
Maxx on May 28, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Do my eyes/hears deceive me or did he just paint a big ‘ol target on himself?
– The Cat
MirCat on May 28, 2008 at 3:48 PM
TexasJew on May 28, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Excellent point!!!
-you nitwit-
(dude…totally kidding about the whole nitwit thing)
christophercube on May 28, 2008 at 3:50 PM
wasn’t the blogsphere suppose to help Repubs?
doesn’t seem to have happened much, atleast the last few years
jp on May 28, 2008 at 3:53 PM
I think they’ve done a fine job of showing us just who’s stupid and who’s the nitwit.
HotJavaJack on May 28, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Ah, the righteous indignation of the blogosphere. AP called it, but the commenters did it anyway. The MSM is being brought down to what they are: talking heads reading someone else’s blather. Bloggers do some of that, but mostly comment and link to other comments.
The big difference is that nearly all creditable bloggers link to their source material so we can see what was actually said. The MSM just tells us what they want us to hear, and makes it difficult for us to check up on their veracity.
Buford Gooch on May 28, 2008 at 3:54 PM
In the former regime, he was like a chamberlain or something. Now he’s just bitter and white. I suppose that’s not good for Obama.
JiangxiDad on May 28, 2008 at 3:54 PM
I did it and don’t miss cable at all. You would be surprised at all the media you can access strictly over the web. Movies and TV Series. Documentaries underground TV. I watch much less and have discovered other forms of entertainment on the web as well. I have even begun to take the first tentative steps outside. Real Reality is so cutting edge that it’s hard to tell it’s real!
ronsfi on May 28, 2008 at 3:55 PM
denying that most journalists operate on some elevated plain to begin with.
They do.
Tom_Shipley on May 28, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Barnicle is probably reminiscing about how quickly Dan Rather’s faked memos were instantly smacked down by the blogosphere during another election year. Another old media paranoiac who fears all the eyes now watching what he does and says.
viking01 on May 28, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Also,
I don’t know whether Michael Yon or Michael J. Totten would claim it, but they would be pretty close, I would think. And I say that as someone who gretly respects Burns’s work and ethics.
Karl on May 28, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Bloggers blog.
Barnacle plagiarizes.
Corky on May 28, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Just brilliant. A plagiarist speaking to the great unwashed on MessNBC calling bloggers hacks.
Bloggers who daily break/make news while preening has-beens lecture from their lofty perches.
While this may not be a snarling diatribe like Buzz Bissinger going off on the Costas show, it does typify those of Barnicle’s era who’s influence is rapidly waning.
They’re the bitter uncles at Thanksgiving. Fortunately you’re only subject to them once a year.
JammieWearingFool on May 28, 2008 at 3:59 PM
To follow up,
In my experience, most bloggers don’t have a clue of the amount of work it takes to cover a beat. It’s hard work that not everyone is cut out for. Not only do you have to be a good writer (on dealdine, no less), but you have to constantly work leads and contacts and keep up with everything going on with that beat.
Bloggers, for the most part, rely on that work to fuel their opines, often times attack those same journalists (often time without NO evidence) for sins they willfully indulge in.
This guy is dead on.
Tom_Shipley on May 28, 2008 at 3:59 PM
“This guy” made up stories about kids dying from cancer. How much hard work does that take?
SnarkVader on May 28, 2008 at 4:01 PM
let your elitism shine through
Mojack420 on May 28, 2008 at 4:02 PM
Poor poor media, they are upset because for the first time ever there are organizations looking at them able to deliver a mighty smack down when they get it wrong. Poor babies, they actually have to fact check now, what a shame. Hey MSM, would you like a little cheese with that whine?
Maxx on May 28, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Pot, meet kettle.
Corky on May 28, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Of course he would know about nitwits who consider themselves journalists.
Esthier on May 28, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Oh, I now how this game goes!
Nuh-uh…they don’t.
I think Tom_Shipley is some kind of algorithm employed to generate more blog comments. I have to admit it sort of works, but tends to break threads off into tangents.
Asher on May 28, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Lolz.
http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjQ3OGM5ZTA3ZDBkYzJiZTkzMjRiZWIzOGZlOTdlODM=
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/pageoneplus/corrections.html
http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODg2ODA5OTgzOTI1YzA4YWIwYTVlMmRmMzZmODIxYTg=
And this whole website:
http://www.regrettheerror.com/
Yeah, it’s a good thing all those big media outlets have layers of editors. It stops them from making kistakes and being made fools of. Yeesh.
Sure there is some reporting that needs a big infrastructure to be effective. It doesn;t mean that bloggers don’t have their place at the table, or are any more prone to error than the MSM. And I didn’t even delve into Associated (with terrorists) Press or al-Rueters.
VolMagic on May 28, 2008 at 4:18 PM
In my experience, you’ll see some good investigative journalism on local stories, but national and international news is just reprints or rewrites of the NY Times and AP.
Most journalists couldn’t tell shinola from that other stuff. At one time the MSM was important, because it actually tried to find out what the facts were and how they affected people. But they’ve abandoned facts for advocacy and tried to pretend that they are unbiased.
Now they are less than useless as all the ‘hard work’ they do goes mostly into agenda journalism. I have no doubt it takes some skills to pump out some high class propaganda…but that hardly makes it laudable.
Asher on May 28, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Funny, I was thinking the same thing. I think that this is his way to get attention, even if it means taking some foolish avenue of thought.
We used to have a poster that was “anti” Fred, he would do the same thing and got a lot of attention. When his man Mitt was finally slam dunked, he left, he couldn’t get the attention anymore. The anti Fred rhetoric got boring and he was a humiliation. Of course, they never see themselves for what they are.
Good call, no one could really believe what he posts.
right2bright on May 28, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Actually, what once made journalism challenging as a career was reporting only what could be confirmed and not reporting what could not. Journalistic restraint was replaced by political advocacy such as by Walter “Uncle Joe” Duranty’s Red Journalism.
The moment the NY Times decided to publish editorials on the front page and the old alphabet news networks started running their handlers talking points straight off the DNC fax machine (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy theories, for example) until the blue dress finally nailed (no pun) their hero.
viking01 on May 28, 2008 at 4:25 PM
So true.
I’ve heard a statistic that over 90% of national news comes straight from the AP.
Esthier on May 28, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Oh please, everybody has a job to do and no one is forced to become a reporter. That’s the job they decided to do. The media in general has lied and lied and spun and spun with every kind of political agenda imaginable for the past thirty years. Now people have a very direct way to tell reports what they think of the quality of their work, and clearly most people are not impressed.
Seems to me that REAL journalism wouldn’t be so hard, ideally it should be as simple as doing your best to find the truth of a matter and reporting that. But it seems to me that most “journalist” do the opposite, if they ever stumbled upon the truth they would do their very best to cover it up. People are fed up with that and now journalist are hearing it very directly, they are just going to have to stand tall and take it or get out of the business. It will be good for journalism in the long run, maybe they will get some of their credibility back once they realize they can’t play fast and loose anymore.
Maxx on May 28, 2008 at 4:29 PM
My blog humbly fills the gaping MSM photo-journalism void.
Never heard of Mr. Barnicle. He seems well, awfully.. bitter.
Urban Infidel on May 28, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Oh please, everybody has a job to do and no one is forced to become a reporter.
I’m not saying everyone doesn’t have a day job or that anyone is forced to be a reporter. I’m saying that reporters have MUCH tougher and tighter standards than blogs. They work harder than bloggers. And the produce better work than bloggers. (speaking in general terms here).
Blogs rely and that higher quality of work to fuel their opininated posts. Bloggers also attack many journalists’ (whom them rely on) credibility WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE aside from their interpretation of what they’ve written. They often attack them for things they themselves (the bloggers) do on a regular basis.
Blogs have their purpose (which include, among the good ones, being a media watchdog). I’m not anti-blog. But make no mistake, tranditional news reporters work on a higher plane.
Tom_Shipley on May 28, 2008 at 4:45 PM
If I remember right, Barnicle wasn’t a plagiarist like Doris Kearns Goodwin. He was a fabricator like Jayson Blair, which is actually worse in its own ways, since — unlike borrowing a factual passage from someone else — the fabricator just makes things up out of whole cloth, often because they’re too lazy to go out and do their job, and then try to pass the information and/or the people in the story as being real.
For most people in journalism, to be caught making up stories is grounds for termination, and it was for Barnicle … on his second offense. But thanks to his connections, he was immediately picked up by the Boston Herald after the Globe canned him, and that gave MSNBC the cover to keep him on as a pundit and substitute host (though based on their other hosts, it’s not like MSNBC makes fakery or failure to authenticate sources as any sort of grounds for dismissal).
jon1979 on May 28, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Right. Capehart was not stating an opinion when he said this story about Obama was ridiculous. Just straight fact-reporting. Much higher plane. Yep.
jaime on May 28, 2008 at 5:20 PM
1) Mike Barnacle is not the most credible person in journalism.
2) I do not write in my basement. It’s clearly a living room currently surrounded by baby clothes sorted by size. Get your facts straight, Barnicle!
ScoopPC11 on May 28, 2008 at 5:20 PM
I don’t think that Mr Barnicle (Who I never heard of) got a very good reception here today. I wonder why? If you are going to shoot off your mouth you should at least have name recognition.
duff65 on May 28, 2008 at 5:35 PM
I have examined all the known bloggers in the world, and I do not find one who surpasses Mike Barnicle when it comes to being a nitwit.
Holmes on May 28, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Who is John Burns? I guess that’s not very good stature. I mean, I know a lot more about Ed Morrissy.
Don’t know Make Barnicle either, but from the comments here, I’m sure he’s a nitwit, and a nincompoop.
kirkill on May 28, 2008 at 6:03 PM
I’m not doubting it’s hard work. As for “MUCH tougher and tighter standards,” no doubt they exist but I don’t see them as improving the truthfulness or the quality of the work. I constantly see reporters using the same old tired phrases over and over again and using LOADED words depending on what the report is about.
For example, the Texas case in the news right now about the FDLS church and their kids that were taken by the state. In every report the “ranch” is called a “compound” …. why is that? I think that might be one of the “Standards” you are talking about and it stinks. “Compound” is a loaded word meant to invoke prejudice against those people. I could give you enough examples like that to fill a book, but I’m sure you get the idea.
So it seems to me these “standards” are actually just bias wrapped in organized new reporting policy.
I’m not saying that type of thing is always the reporters fault, I understand they have an editor they must please. But frankly I’m just not seeing any benefit to these higher standards you’re talking about.
As far as attacking the reports without evidence…. we don’t need any stinking evidence. That’s called free speech, learn to love it.
I think all reporting will get much better as a result of blog interaction. But naturally nobody likes someone looking over their shoulder, but that is exactly what the press has lacked for far too long.
Reporters and mainstream news in general has got away with murder for a very long time and there is a lot of pent-up anger in the public as a result. So news guys are going to get bludgeoned for awhile and they will either get better or eventually they won’t be the mainstream anymore. I think they will get better, they are already getting a little better.
Maxx on May 28, 2008 at 6:07 PM
OMG, the “Gaffe Machine” makes “Live Shot” Kerry look articulate. >:D
Chakra Hammer on May 28, 2008 at 6:09 PM
There was a time, a very long time ago when I actually respected Mike “The Plagarist” Barnicle. I was much younger and quite naive politically. One of his favorite topics was one of mine and still is, the Boston Fire Department and the Hotel Vendome fire.
In later years, after his getting fired by the Boston Globe Democrat, his moonbat self showed through and then joined the semi-Conservative Boston Herald.
Mooseman on May 28, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Judging from this illiterate pile of dung, Tom, you must be a blogger.
As for your conclusion, do you actually read any of the crap that comes from the “traditional news reporters”? Do you actually watch the television news, and listen to the wondrous reporting done there?
Your conclusion seems ill-informed.
Jaibones on May 28, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Actually, he was both. Not only did he make things up but he also ripped off George Carlin for one of his columns.
SnarkVader on May 28, 2008 at 6:52 PM
Judging from this illiterate pile of dung
What exactly is illiterate about that post? As I’ve said before, attacking the prose of a blog comment is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Yes, I read newspapers (plural) everyday. Most of my comments about newsreporting is in reference to them. And I stand by my conclusion.
I have journalism degree and know many people who work in the newspaper industry. I’d posit that I’m more informed on this subject than most people on here.
Tom_Shipley on May 28, 2008 at 7:32 PM
What did Tony Soprano say? “You don’t need a gynecologist to know which way the wind blows.”
SnarkVader on May 28, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Newspaper subscriptions in the toilet. 83% of surveyed Americans think the media is biased. Calling ppl who bring the truth about news to the public through investigative journalism nitwits?
This is the NEW media. A place where ideas flourish and the truth can be uncovered when the old (biased) news
mediafilter gets it wrong.An attack like that from such a man of maturity says one thing. He is jealous. Well maybe two. He knows he’s wrong
lsutiger on May 28, 2008 at 8:06 PM
“You don’t need a gynecologist to know which way the wind blows.”
Make no mistake, I’m a journalist apologist. Doesn’t mean I’m not right.
This is the NEW media. A place where ideas flourish and the truth can be uncovered when the old (biased) news media filter gets it wrong.
As I said before, there’s value in blogs acting as a media watch dog. Unfortunately, most bloggers who take on that role seem to have this attitude:
As far as attacking the reports without evidence…. we don’t need any stinking evidence. That’s called free speech, learn to love it.
I couldn’t have put it any better.
And, it’s funny how the “old” media fuels this “new” media. The reason newspaper circulation is down is not because of perceived bias, but because people prefer to to online to get information these days — but that information still comes from traditional newspapers. It’s just accessed on the Internet with more frequency.
Tom_Shipley on May 28, 2008 at 8:16 PM
lsutiger on May 28, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Agreed. Barnicle is jealous but also angry that he and his fellow political travelers no longer set the rules of what gets printed versus what the public doesn’t need to know. Drudge got his start not by what he reported but by what he revealed what reports Newsweak had scuttled to protect Bubba.
Gannett Corporation got another downgrade by S&P today. The old media snowball rolling downhill gets larger and faster.
viking01 on May 28, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Barnicle is a plagarizing hack.
His wife is an underwhelming executive at Bank of America who, through her connections to a high-powered Boston ad magnate, has been able to cobble together a “marketing” career at a bank whose marketing is about one step removed from “free toasters with your new checking account.”
Together, these two are feted around town like some sort of “power couple” when all they really are is a couple of empty suits.
Leave it to MSNBC to hire this creep.
D2Boston on May 28, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Ostensibly these guys were there to talk about a mis statement/fabrication of a story by the Dali-Bama and to say lay off. How funny!
One guy is a disgraced columnist who was suspended for stealing material from George Carlin and was fired by the Boston Globe for fabricating a story, the other guy can’t even repeat Obama’s
fabricationmis statement correctly.While MSNBC didn’t get the sharpest tools in the shed, they at least had people who could speak from personal experience.
Hey Mike, go fabricate another column in the real news media! Where it really matters!
moxie_neanderthal on May 29, 2008 at 2:36 AM
Says it all really.
moxie_neanderthal on May 29, 2008 at 2:47 AM
I think the wording you’re looking for here is “Me have journalism degree….”
James on May 29, 2008 at 7:32 AM
James on May 29, 2008 at 7:32 AM
Great work, James. If I ever decide to hire a personal editor, you’ll be the first to know. In the mean time, keep pointing out typos in commentator’s posts, and you’re gonna have a bright future ahead of you!
Tom_Shipley on May 29, 2008 at 7:52 AM
Earlier, I let this one slide, because apparently it’s not true. But even the increasingly popular lazy habit of using spellcheck for a single layer of editing would have caught that one.
Credibility comes with competence, Tom. You’re blowing it.
James on May 29, 2008 at 8:14 AM
Seriously, there is a serparate circle in hell for people who think a typo says anything about the person commenting or about their arguments.
You’re right, I didn’t spellcheck. Wonderful. Now care to comment on the SUBSTANCE of my post?
Thanks for bringing so much to the table, James. You’re insight is invaluable. Maybe lobby Malkin for a copyediting job.
(by the way, I didn’t self-edit or spellcheck this post, so if you could check it for me, that would be awesome).
Tom_Shipley on May 29, 2008 at 8:41 AM
Tom, it shows a lack of attention to detail…something bad in any profession but particularly egregious for a journalism major, not only because your entire body of work is judged by how well you write, but also because the accuracy of small details is vital to reporting a story.
What the heck did they teach you in journalism school, if this wasn’t drummed into you at every opportunity?
James on May 29, 2008 at 8:56 AM
James, I work as a writer. I get paid to do so.
I do not get paid to post on this site. I often do so while I am working, and thus, do not give each post much attention to detail. Certainly not the attention I give to copy I am paid to write. I often just write and post.
So yes, you got me of showing a lack of attention to the words I leave in the comment section of HotAir.
Now, get off your high-horse. It makes you look silly in this environment. I’d suggest if you want to add anything it, make it about the substance of what I’ve said.
Or you can be like Jaibones (sic) and attack my typos some more.
Tom_Shipley on May 29, 2008 at 9:05 AM
As I expected, it’s the tired old ‘internet writing doesn’t matter’ excuse. You show no respect for yourself or your craft, even given that you apparently use your full real name here and can have your writing here viewed by current and potential employers.
I’ve also been paid to write (and edit). It’s important for me to write well whether I’m being paid for it or not. For various reasons, some people simply can’t write well…for them, I hold no enmity. But for someone who knows better but can’t be bothered to provide a quality product, I can’t be bothered to consider anything you write to have any substance. You obviously don’t care…why should I?
James on May 29, 2008 at 9:22 AM
You show no respect for yourself or your craft
You know what? I’m done with you, James.
Have a good one.
Tom_Shipley on May 29, 2008 at 9:26 AM
MSNBC and WAPO… Tweedle dumm, and Tweedle dummer. Yeah NITWITS, right. I think one of OUR NITWITS broke the CLINTON/LEWINSKY tete a tete. MSM, BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID!!!
pueblo1032 on May 29, 2008 at 12:46 PM
“[T]hese bloggers, who think they’re part of the news media…”
Well Barny, they are. This is true because the media seldom reports the truth, word for word without interjecting pc nonsense about what Obambi SAID, twisting it so that the plain truth is no longer discernible by the sheeple.
Christine on May 29, 2008 at 12:55 PM
I forgot to finish with: Nature abhors a vacuum like the one you (Barnicle) help to provide, so the bloggers are doing their best to fill that vacuum with the balancing factor: the truth. Cry me a river, Mikey.
Christine on May 29, 2008 at 12:58 PM