Two major stumbling blocks. Air and water.

Johan Klaus

Actually, Unseen’s comments about nitrates are the real killer. Ice is available, so air and water can be manufactured … but their ain’t any Nitrogen … this makes nitrates for growing plants hard to come by.

But near the North Pole in Martian summer, the sun will be out all day, and the rotation of Mars will cause the apparent position of the sun to rotate through 360 degrees, and the sun will shine on the object from all azimuths, but always at a low angle above the horizon, during the course of a Martian day. The best way of identifying the object would be to take several photographs over an entire Martian day with sunlight coming from many different directions, then compare the photographs.

It’s probably just a rock.

The libs already have the dead and invisible friends in their corner, they might as well try to get the nonexistent Martian vote too.

unseen on May 29, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Two major stumbling blocks. Air and water.

Land is one thing metals, fertilzer, etc is something different. We can all live on less but why should we. Technology will let the earth hold many billions more I believe. however that technology requires building blocks. we have whole planets within relative reach to mine, to use, to settle. Unless you think that big pieces of rock should be protected for future generations. would you really like living on a 30×30 plot of land next to 8 billion people. It is a fact of nature that when populations become too big for the land to support either you have to move or the population dies off until the numbers are again supported. With addtional clonies, mines, building blocks people can contiue to expand.

So what do you think it is?

So who cares?

Wouldn’t it be a hoot if they found an artifact, and because the lander was not mobile, could not investiagte it?

Seriously, it is probably just a part of the landing system. A similar thing was seen with the Opporunity lander… except in that case they DID drive over and check it out!!

God provided everything for us here on Earth.

We have everything, yet we are not satisfied. We are blind.

Curiosity killed the cat.

Indy Conservative

OK then. This is a religious thing for you. This explains why you are impervious to reason on this subject.

“Quaid, start the reactor”

The Earth was hit by a large body and wiped out most of the life here. Or are you a 6000 year old earth type?

One of the things that separates us from our primate relatives is that we aren’t content to simply exist,

linlithgow on May 28, 2008 at 6:58 PM

When did Rosie O’Donal fall down?

a few of the things that separates us from primates,

Unless you are a part of the ‘Recreate 68′ crowd, normally you don’t fling your pooh..

don’t scratch you ass then pick your nose.. again, rule, ‘Recreate 68′, exception..

and created on different days.. but that’s for another thread :)

AGAIN, you cut the context out of my reply, and AGAIN you ignored it.

AND don’t ask me to “admit the reporting is silly” when I said, in the comment you quoted from, that the reporting is silly.

You really have a hard time with this, don’t you?

RightWinged on May 28, 2008 at 7:53 PM

So it is NOT a Class M planet.. for all the trekkies out there

the world now holds 6 billion people. how long before a basic building block of society is depleted? What happens when there are 12b or 24b people on the earth? Can the earth sustain that many people with iron, metals, food, etc?unseen on May 29, 2008 at 1:38 AM

I have listened to this argument for decades, in the 1960′s, it was a known and proven fact that by the year 2000 we would have depleted all of the earth’s resources, that massive starvation would happen.
Her is a little fact, just to put it in perspective.
Place all the people on earth (let’s say 7 billion), every one of them could have a plot of land 30 feet by 30 feet in the state of Texas (which is less then 8% of the total U.S.). The rest of the world would be empty of people.
That is how vast and under populated our planet is.
The earth has about 200 times Texas in habitable land. So everyone on earth can have, right now, over 1 square mile of land (habitable and farmable) for every single person on earth.

This is certainly the kind of event that kooks a nutbags of all varieties have been waiting for. The object discussed in the video is reminiscent of the shadow that launched a million maniacs (aka: the Martian face)…

this notion that faith and science can not function together is a recent development in our society and one I believe that weakens both science and faith in the long run.

unseen on May 29, 2008 at 8:19 AM

Thanks for nothing, Karl Marx, sterilizer of brain matter.

The denial of faith has stunted everything, not just scientific development. That so many generations have elapsed specifically cultivated without faith places those with faith in a sterile test tube. Not oddly, though, it only takes a bit of faith for the sterility of mind to become fertile. Hence, hope and endurance.

Earth has plenty of gorgeous needle rock formations that seem to point to heaven. Lovely sights.

Faith and science are closely linked. You can not believe in one without believing in the other IMO. some believe in Christ, some God, some in global warming and Gia etc. The fact is that science requires alot of faith. for geology you must have faith that the earth’s systems acted the same way for 4 billion years. you must have faith that the earth is indeed 4 billion years old. If it is isn’t then you theory starts to unravel. Evolution must have faith that the process seen today where the same process that happened a million years ago at the same rate with no outside changes occurring. you also must have faith that an accident with the odds in the trillions started all life on earth. You must have faith that a little change over time can lead to major changes in the end. If you believe in man made global warming you must have blind faith that the big yellow ball in the sky has absoulutly no impact on this world and that the natural process of this world can not evolve to handle the new inputs.

It is no accident that almost all of the great scientists of the human race have been men of faith. It takes a bunch of faith to theorize, to punch thru to new frontiers, to think outside the box.

this notion that faith and science can not function together is a recent devolpment in our society and one I believe that weakens both science and faith in the long run.

Wow, RightWinged just got schooled on every single point he originally had. I like to think he realized this and started drinking.

Nonfactor on May 29, 2008 at 4:09 AM

Good point. But it’s useless to argue science with those who can believe in young Earth mysticism. In the next iteration of their theory it will be proclaimed that for the Martians it was a 6000 Martian year time frame.

My second guess, since nothing shows up on the aerial images of that area taken when the Phoenix Lander was descending, is that it’s landing debris.

;-D

Unseen, I second your comment.

Space exploration has the chance to fundamentally and permanently improve everyone’s life; aid and programmes are a Band-Aid and a not very good one at that. When the standard of living for the most industrialised countries go up, it has a trickle down effect.

RightWinged on May 28, 2008 at 8:52 PM

My point was that you said there was ‘false evidence of water on Mars’ which isn’t true. There is frozen water on Mars. What false evidence are you referring to?