bayam on May 28, 2008 at 11:59 PM

Oil henchmen?

Really?

Mmmkay.

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 11:45 PM

If only. This next election is going to be a blood bath for the Republican party.

National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Tom Cole acknowledged that the GOP faces a challenge and “must undertake bold efforts to define a forward-looking agenda that offers the kind of positive change voters are looking for.”

“Change”, hmmm, where have I heard that before? With leaders like this, how can we go wrong?

I’ll easily choose #1.

bayam on May 29, 2008 at 1:12 AM

What am I misinformed about, Monbiot?

I didn’t say a word about the economics.

Why has no new refinery been built in 30 years? What effect did Hanoi Jane’s movie have on nuclear? Which country has more coal than any other country in the Solar System? Which country isn’t allow to drill off its own coast while watching China drill off its coast?

The only way for the US to gain energy independence is by switching to another vehicle power source (like electricity or fuel cells)

You’re an idiot. Where do you think that electricity comes from? Magic pixie dust? I guess you don’t know enough physics to know that every time you change the form of the energy, you lose energy.

Go sing some Kumbayas, moron.

The civil service Congress has strayed from its reformist roots and has mutated into a no-accountability zone, where employment re-election is treated as an entitlement, good performance as an option, and accountability as someone else’s problem.”

As long as climate controls regs are added to the WTO charter, it will benefit the US at the expense of India and China.

You are assuming that they will agree to such controls. And that they will comply with such regulations even if enacted. Both assumptions are highly dubious.

And if a climate bill pushes us further toward renewable energy and away from foreign oil, I’ll all for it.

You seem to believe that this “renewable energy” is out there somewhere just waiting to be used, if only the evil oil companies could be made to use it. That’s moonbat thinking.

I’d call this typical media heavy breathing that we see before most elections. Don’t let the “True Conservatives” and the MSM working together depress you, or depress the GOP vote, which is their goal. They want to make you think it’s hopeless and that your vote won’t matter anyway, and therefore convince you to sit home on election day.

Er, no thanks, fellas.

I want one that says:

***AMERICAN ENERGY FOR AMERICAN GROWTH!***
Drill * Mine * Burn * Refine

We are killing ourselves by not allowing drilling and domestic production and this moronic global warming crap is setting out to destroy coal – our major source of electricity – and we are, literally, the Saudi Arabia of coal. How is domestic coal not an “alternative energy”?

TexasJew on May 29, 2008 at 9:28 AM

Hear! Hear! Well said!

*******AMERICAN ENERGY FOR AMERICAN GROWTH!********

And if a climate bill pushes us further toward renewable energy and away from foreign oil, I’ll all for it. You’d think that Bush and his oil henchman would be the ones to come up with a long-term solution to our energy crisis (or as some on this board say, the ’so-called’ energy crisis).
But there’s no sign of it yet.

And another liberal fool calls it a ‘crisis’:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24863925/

bayam on May 28, 2008 at 11:59 PM

You are either one confused puppy or just an idiot, I can’t decide.
I’m an exploration geologist and oil producer, does that make me one of Bush’s “oil henchmen”? Where do you come up with this slimy Maoist crap?
We are killing ourselves by not allowing drilling and domestic production and this moronic global warming crap is setting out to destroy coal – our major source of electricity – and we are, literally, the Saudi Arabia of coal. How is domestic coal not an “alternative energy”?

Maybe we should stop thinking about 60 as the magic number and start thinking about the two-thirds majority it would take to override a McCain veto. We’re bound to end up with at least 34 hawkish Republicans, aren’t we? Aren’t we?

Magic 8 Ball says at this rate…. NO!

So I guess what I’m saying is:

F#@$ it! McCain!

So what I guess I’m saying is:

F\/

The energy crisis is that the Democrats and enviro-wackos have hijacked energy policy for at least 30 years now.

We have over 100 BILLION known barrels of oil in US territory.

You seem to be misinformed. Most of that oil was never economical to get out of the ground or rock at $25 barrel (before the war). On the other side, no one seriously raised CAFE standards over the last 30 years, as if oil would last forever. Cars never gained in fuel efficiency.

The world needs several more Saudi Arabias to feed China and India and the rest of the developing world’s growing demand for fossil fuels. The only way for the US to gain energy independence is by switching to another vehicle power source (like electricity or fuel cells) and to build out nuclear and alternative energy plants. Nuclear and some other energies upset environmentalists, but there’s really no other choice.

Entelechy on May 29, 2008 at 12:34 AM

Weiss Wein oder dunkel Bier.

In public they preach the water, in “private” they guzzle the wine.
- Entelechy

MB4 on May 28, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Well, it was Heinrich Heine, but I did quote him very often, and will continue to, as his saying is most befitting the hypocrits.

And you need to be for (3) also. The billion person America being conjured into existence will need staggering amounts of energy, more than we can ever produce ourselves. (Startling new scientific breakthroughs excepted.)

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 11:13 PM

I am, as evidenced by my numerous, and often detailed, comments on the illegal immigration threads. I was just focused on the energy production side of the dilemma, but you’re right. Though, some here, and in general, will argue that we need the people here to counter the increase in the Muslim world (all war on terror related and for another thread).

bayam on May 28, 2008 at 11:59 PM

We don’t need to drill no stinkin’ oil wells in the U.S.A., and we don’t need any more stinkin’ refineries.

You’d think that Bush and his oil henchman would be the ones to come up with a long-term solution to our energy crisis (or as some on this board say, the ’so-called’ energy crisis).

Bush and his oil henchmen. Laff. Your last name wouldn’t be Monbiot, would it?

The energy crisis is that the Democrats and enviro-wackos have hijacked energy policy for at least 30 years now.

We have over 100 BILLION known barrels of oil in US territory.

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 11:51 PM

As long as climate controls regs are added to the WTO charter, it will benefit the US at the expense of India and China. U.S. industries are already much cleaner than those in developing countries, where cleaner manufacturing means real cost increases.

And if a climate bill pushes us further toward renewable energy and away from foreign oil, I’ll all for it. You’d think that Bush and his oil henchman would be the ones to come up with a long-term solution to our energy crisis (or as some on this board say, the ’so-called’ energy crisis).
But there’s no sign of it yet.

And another liberal fool calls it a ‘crisis’:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24863925/