Are you ready for Secretary of State John Kerry?

posted at 3:56 pm on May 28, 2008 by Allahpundit

Just when I thought I couldn’t like Obama more, the ultimate pot sweetener.

Kerry aides insist he’s not angling for the job and point to his long involvement in foreign affairs. It started with his famous testimony as a 27-year-old veteran questioning the Vietnam War before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. It continues today, at age 64, as the No. 3 Democrat on the same panel.

But envisioning him in the post would hardly be a stretch given Obama’s chances at securing the Democratic nomination, a general election shaping up as a “change” campaign and Kerry’s relationship with the Illinois senator.

Kerry would likely face competition from Sen. Joseph R. Biden of Delaware, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee; Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, a former Peace Corps volunteer who also sits on the panel, and former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota, a top Obama adviser.

In a strange way I’d find it reassuring to have Waffles lead the delegation to Tehran, and not just because of the comic potential of him posing for photos with a guy he once claimed he wanted to push off a cliff. Thanks to his infamous “global test” for U.S. military action, his preoccupation with the moral high ground he believes we’ve somehow lost to, ahem, Iran, and his willingness to undermine American foreign policy by hobnobbing with assorted enemies (an old habit), he’s become the exemplar of the sort of groveling, negotiation-from-weakness posture that conservatives fear Obama will take. If that’s what Obama’s planning, he might as well name Kerry and own it.

An interesting subplot here: Because of Kennedy’s illness, if Kerry’s appointed it could conceivably lead to both senate seats in Massachusetts being vacant, a remarkable coincidence considering that they only seem to be earnestly contested once every 30 or 40 years. Exit question: Do we stand a chance at picking one up or are they just going to plug Caroline and Patches in there and ride that out until 2040 or so? I’m guessing the latter; as it is, we can’t even get on the ballot.

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How about ambassador to the South Pole?

Hening on May 28, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Barney Frank!

I kid, I kid…

trubble on May 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 4:52 PM

That isn’t a lie though McCain’s people are awfully flexible on the truth when this issue comes up. A political Judas should expect the distrust that comes from flirting with the enemy (actually extremely heavy petting in this case).

highhopes on May 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM

If Mccain loses, and Obama is the next president, it is on all the people who could have voted but did not, who will bear the blame.

The Obama supporters are going to vote for him anyway, so there’s no sense in blaming them.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Everyone is charged with making a decision come November. Everyone should vote for the person who can best represent and protect the country. We all have different ideas on who that person is, but if someone doesn’t believe that person is McCain, then I believe it’s McCain’s fault for not proving himself or effectively explaining why his politics are best for this nation.

I don’t understand why you would let Obama supporters off the hook while blaming those who are only likewise doing what they feel is best.

Esthier on May 28, 2008 at 4:57 PM

That isn’t a lie though McCain’s people are awfully flexible on the truth when this issue comes up. highhopes on May 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM

McCain denied it. Believe the lie from Kerry if you want. I tend not to believe everything that democrats say. You beleive whoever you want, I guess.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 4:59 PM

I don’t understand why you would let Obama supporters off the hook while blaming those who are only likewise doing what they feel is best. Esthier on May 28, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Yeah, that didn’t make any sense.

If not making an effort to ensure a democrat president for the next 4 to 8 years is what makes you happy, then so be it.

Just don’t expect other people to go along with your version of reality and justifications as to why allowing a democrat to be elected is okay.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Oh, poo.

I have more faith in our country.

And there is absolutely no way President Bambi and Co. can do as much damage to the country as FDR. And we survived him, so far.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:04 PM

FEMA Director Kathleen Blanco.

Rick on May 28, 2008 at 5:05 PM

Meet Secretary of Defense Louis Farrakhan

faraway on May 28, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Hey……that just might work. I can see it now. Farrakhan-man could get the mother ship to put up an inpenatrable shield around our country.

kcd on May 28, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Just don’t expect other people to go along with your version of reality and justifications as to why allowing a democrat to be elected is okay.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Fair enough, but the same can be said of those who support McCain.

Many feel he’s bad for this country and for the Republican Party. There’s little reason to expect that opinion to change unless McCain himself changes.

By the way, I’m still very much undecided on McCain. I hate the idea of not voting for a viable candidate, but I also hate the idea of voting for McCain.

One hate will win out come November.

Of course it’s possible that McCain will win me over and that my hate won’t be an issue at all. That’s my preference.

Esthier on May 28, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Inspector General Sandy Burglar
Secretary of Education Paris Hilton
Secretary of Health Eliot Spitzer
FBI Director William Jefferson

Al Gore has already declared himself King of the Forrressst.

viking01 on May 28, 2008 at 5:09 PM

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Is it really so COMPLETELY insane to think that a Bambi presidency will bring back a Republican majority faster than a McCain presidency?

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:10 PM

Kerry would be an ok Secretery of State. However, even Dubbya’s Secretaries of States have been and are ok. No reason to think McCain will not do just as well if not better.

freevillage on May 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM

John Kerry’s not so secret any longer MySpace entry:

Hi there fellow bloggers. My name is United States Senator John Forbes Kerry from the great state of Massachusetts. You can call me JFK if you want. I was born on December 11, 1943, although people tell me that I look at least 20 years younger. It’s probably my great hair and rugged good looks.

I graduated from Yale in June 1966 in the top 1% of my class. To earn extra money during the summers, I loaded trucks in a grocery warehouse and sold encyclopedias door to door. That is probably one of the reasons that I am so humble. Over my four years at Yale, I maintained a 96 grade average and received a 101 average in my senior year.

I am one of the most senior members of that grand and much loved and respected institution known as the U.S. Senate. Probably the only living Senator even a little bit greater than me is my dear friend Ted Moore Kennedy. I also have a very high IQ. Very high. At least 250 on a bad day. Much higher than that creep who stole the election from me. I know that he stole it because exit polls are never ever wrong.

I am also a great war hero. I set all kinds of records for heroism when I was in Vietnam. I was grievously wounded at least three times yet continued to insist on staying in the fight when lesser men would have given up. I won the bronze star with extra V’s for extra valor and the Silver Star for defeating a whole battalion of NVA with my bare hands.
Sometimes I feel like a had to carry all the water for those other ungrateful swiftboaters.

I sometimes like to chill out after a long day of serving the American people by having a double martini with my good friend Ted. We usually have a servant bring 21 double martinis. I get one and Ted gets one for each of his fingers and each of his toes. Contrary to what some of my very few enemies say I never marry women for just their money. They must also have a pulse. BTW, did I mention that I was in Vietnam? I was also in Cambodia, so don’t forget that!

I would like to think that I am open minded, honest, polite, heroic and trustworthy. And I appreciate the same qualities in others although I am realistic enough to know that no one else could come close to me.

Turn offs: other politicians who spend more on haircuts than I do. That is just not right.

Who I’d like to meet:
…other progressive bloggers. Other great war heroes who hate that damn S-T-U-P-I-D Texan in the White House and those lying sons of batcher swiftboat bistardos whose pants are on fire! Cool people who live close to Washington D.C. so that we can get together, maybe we will even get together at what could be my new plush Secretary of State’s office by then, talk about you for about 30 seconds and then spend about 9 hours talking about me. BTW, did I mention that I was in Vietnam and Cambodia? Just one more BTW, if anyone has found my magic hat please return to me.

MB4 on May 28, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Is it really so COMPLETELY insane to think that a Bambi presidency will bring back a Republican majority faster than a McCain presidency?
misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:10 PM

Some people thought it important enough to not vote for poppy Bush after he failed us when he promised ‘read my lips, no new taxes’ and either didn’t vote for him, or voted for Ross Perot to ‘send a message’. We got 8 years of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

It’s difficult to guess what actions we take might have what consequences that are better. Maybe we should have voted for Al Gore, and then had a better republican in 2004. Maybe we should have voted for John Kerry to have an even better republican for 2008.

If you want Obama to be the next president, then there is a name for you.

Democrat.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Is it really so COMPLETELY insane to think that a Bambi presidency will bring back a Republican majority faster than a McCain presidency?

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:10 PM

In 2000, the libs who went to vote Nader were saying much the same thing about George Bush….

Sekhmet on May 28, 2008 at 5:16 PM

All I can say is I told ya. Obama is nothing more than a Soros/Gore/Kerry surrogate.

Connie on May 28, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Is it really so COMPLETELY insane to think that a Bambi presidency will bring back a Republican majority faster than a McCain presidency?
misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:10 PM

Not insane at all, as maybe is a lot better chance than no way Jose.

MB4 on May 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM

We got 8 years of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:14 PM

True, but two years in we also got the majority back, which doesn’t explain why we lost again two years later.

Then again, I can’t claim to know why people didn’t vote for Bush Sr. I wasn’t yet of age and didn’t really care. I just remember seeing cartoons about whether or not Ross Perot was still running for president.

Esthier on May 28, 2008 at 5:19 PM

If you want Obama to be the next president, then there is a name for you.

Democrat.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:14 PM

If you want McCain to be the next president, then there is a name for you.

I’m not exactly sure what that name is, but I know that it is not, conservative. I know that.

MB4 on May 28, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Some people thought it important enough to not vote for poppy Bush after he failed us when he promised ‘read my lips, no new taxes’ and either didn’t vote for him, or voted for Ross Perot to ’send a message’. We got 8 years of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Err. Which directly led to the first Republican majority in a couple generations.

If you want Obama to be the next president, then there is a name for you.

Democrat.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Just a few more ad hominem attacks, and a few less logical arguments, and I’ll come around to your way of thinking.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I keep asking, and never get an answer:

Does John McCain bear any responsibility, ANY at all, for alienating conservatives?

Will John McCain bear any blame, ANY at all, if he loses the election?

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Attorney General John Edwards. Secretary of State John Kerry. Oh brother. Second look at McCain COLONIZING MARS!?

SoulGlo on May 28, 2008 at 4:01 PM

MB4 on May 28, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Kerry would be an ok Secretery of State.

freevillage on May 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM

AHHH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Not even most Democrats have a good opinion of The Haughty One.

You must live deep in the fever swamps.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Does John McCain bear any responsibility, ANY at all, for alienating conservatives?

Will John McCain bear any blame, ANY at all, if he loses the election?

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Of course he won’t bare any responsibility nor blame as he was a POW for 6 years. That’s why he should be President too. Didn’t you know that?

MB4 on May 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Not even most Democrats have a good opinion of The Haughty One.

I’m sorry, I don’t run my opinions my most Democrats.

freevillage on May 28, 2008 at 5:30 PM

If you want McCain to be the next president, then there is a name for you.
I’m not exactly sure what that name is, but I know that it is not, conservative. I know that.
MB4 on May 28, 2008 at 5:20 PM

According to you.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Just a few more ad hominem attacks, and a few less logical arguments, and I’ll come around to your way of thinking.
misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I can only show you the truth of your actions. I can’t make you understand what you obviously can’t. I don’t want Obama to be the next president, and you apparently do.

This is your problem. Not mine.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Will John McCain bear any blame, ANY at all, if he loses the election?

Yes, some. As any candidate. However, you’ve yet to defend a ludicrous notion that any other Republican candidate stands a better chance to win in November.

freevillage on May 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Patches lives in Rhode Island now, though that never stopped a Kennedy I suppose. RFK Jr. lives in New York, as does Caroline. There are not really many Kennedys living in Massachusetts anymore.

If either of those Senate seats comes open, it is going to be World War III between Ed Markey, Barney Frank, Tommy O’Neill, and Tom Menino. These guys have been waiting for 25 years to move up the ranks. And nome of them owe the Kennedys anything.

rockmom on May 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Not insane at all, as maybe is a lot better chance than no way Jose.

MB4 on May 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Insane for sure but Mars beckons, if only a means to get there were available, if they find water, etc.

Thanks for the MySpace entry, though, MB4 – always amusing, all of them.

These are different times and I feel sorry to hand the country to the kids and grandkids in a lesser way. No Reagan is hiding behind the curtains. But go for it. We deserve it fully. I wish the wrath on all of us. I’ll be here to watch you then.

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 5:40 PM

Secretary of State? Try Running Mate.

A double-order of Waffles, if you will. Bon appetit.

baldilocks on May 28, 2008 at 5:41 PM

MB4 on May 28, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Well done MB4! 2004 all over again!

Seriously, would the Dems be stupid enough to pull more than one member out of the Senate? They will want a 60+ majority.

I expect the Secretary of State under Obambi to be one of his anti-Israel advisors, like Samantha Powers or Susan Rice.

Unless of course it’s the Rev. Jeremiad Wright.

MrLynn on May 28, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Some people thought it important enough to not vote for poppy Bush after he failed us when he promised ‘read my lips, no new taxes’ and either didn’t vote for him, or voted for Ross Perot to ’send a message’. We got 8 years of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:14 PM

.
And remember the crappy executive orders he dropped on us, when he couldn’t get his way in congress? That plus some old/sickly SC justices are leaning me towards McCain. Of course, if he selects Huckabee as his running mate, all bets are off. There is just so much I will put up with….

Think_b4_speaking on May 28, 2008 at 5:42 PM

By the way, I’m still very much undecided on McCain. I hate the idea of not voting for a viable candidate, but I also hate the idea of voting for McCain.

One hate will win out come November.

Of course it’s possible that McCain will win me over and that my hate won’t be an issue at all. That’s my preference.

Esthier on May 28, 2008 at 5:09 PM

I’ve managed to come to grips with it by prioritizing issues. McCain isn’t going to make drastic philosophical changes between now and November. We can all list the issues on which we disagree with him, so I’ll forego that. Do I agree with him on enough of the major issues to balance out the others? Probably. In my mind, the WOT and Iranian crisis offset the immigration issue to some degree. His stance on pork is good. He has some things on his record I don’t like, but pragmatically speaking, he’s what we’ve got and he’s way better than the alternative. If Obama gets in with a stacked Congress to work with, that damage will never be undone, and it won’t be as easy as some think to regain control. I wouldn’t expect him to unite the party; we have to decide which are the most important issues for us individually. I’m not sure I agree that voting against someone has no validity, otherwise the Hillary negatives would not have been forecast to energize the pubbie base if she were nominated.
This is probably the most important presidential election i’ve been involved in, and I’ve been voting for a long time. I think some folks are WAY overconfident we’ll regain power following an Obama presidency. There are too many special interest groups out there now.

a capella on May 28, 2008 at 5:42 PM

baldilocks, thanks for all those contributions on the Obama family history in the service, etc. I saw the links and your entries. You’re a fantastic researcher and an incredibly objective person. Big hat off, takes a bow to you, with baton in hand,

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 5:43 PM

According to you.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:31 PM

According to a whole lot of people. It’s a rather lengthy list. I’m actually not even close to the top of the list.

MB4 on May 28, 2008 at 5:43 PM

ludicrous notion that any other Republican candidate stands a better chance to win in November.

freevillage on May 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM

That’s your ludicrous notion. And speaking of ludicrous notions:

Kerry would be an ok Secretery of State.

freevillage on May 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM

My notion is that it will be better for the country in the long run if McCain isn’t elected.

And wise_man? Substantive arguments would be good. Citing Bill and Hill is arguing against your premise.

I’m saying that amnesty and a vast expansion of the federal gummint and taxes to fight global warmism would be better blamed on Bambi than McCain.

The SCOTUS balance will not change no matter who is President.

We will not surrender in the GWOT and Iraq no matter who is President. Both Dems have admitted it.

The majority in Congress is more important than the Presidency. Republicans will regain that majority faster if disastrous policies are laid at the feet of Bambi and the Dems rather than Maverick.

Plus: We’re All Mavericks Now.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:43 PM

Of course, if he selects Huckabee as his running mate, all bets are off. There is just so much I will put up with….
Think_b4_speaking on May 28, 2008 at 5:42 PM


**Gak**

If McCain picks Huckabee, then I’m joining the “lets let Obama rule the US – we might get a republican in office next time” crowd.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:44 PM

**Gak**

If McCain picks Huckabee, then I’m joining the “lets let Obama rule the US – we might get a republican in office next time” crowd.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:44 PM

Me too

Think_b4_speaking on May 28, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Secretary of State? Try Running Mate.

A double-order of Waffles, if you will. Bon appetit.

baldilocks on May 28, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Also possible, although Kerry is such a gad-about Euro-lite elitist, I think he’d prefer Sec’y of State.

Connie on May 28, 2008 at 5:46 PM

misterpeasea, it’s such a sad day – I’ve concluded that I no longer am proud to fight for her, nor do I care any moe, and that says a lot. I simply am tired of the left and the right. Fight all you wish, in circle shoot-outs. It’s going nowhere but down. Sad to watch, but obvious. Good luck to us all.

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 5:46 PM

I can only show you the truth of your actions. I can’t make you understand what you obviously can’t. I don’t want Obama to be the next president, and you apparently do.

This is your problem. Not mine.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:33 PM

It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. It biases the judgment.

Holmes on May 28, 2008 at 5:47 PM

We will not surrender in the GWOT and Iraq no matter who is President. Both Dems have admitted it. misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 5:43 PM

Your faith in the democrats is impressive.

I trust them as far less than you.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:47 PM

It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. It biases the judgment.
Holmes on May 28, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Not voting for McCain = allowing Obama to become the next president from your inaction. (Especially when many more people do the same thing, and the election is close enough that this was the deciding factor. We won’t know that for an absolute until November the third.)

This is not a hard concept to understand.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Allah,

I was about to start to make dinner. Now, I’ve lost my appetite. Thanks a lot for making me ill.

Jeez, we need warning before posting something like this.

Navy Moose.

Mooseman on May 28, 2008 at 5:53 PM

Not voting for McCain = allowing Obama to become the next president from your inaction.

This is not a hard concept to understand.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:51 PM

I am not even eligible to vote in your elections and if your party chooses to nominate a devious old coot then you must bare the burden of your action. This is really not a difficult concept to understand

Holmes on May 28, 2008 at 5:58 PM

NO! You all don’t get it..

Kerry as Sec State is an outstanding idea….

Kim Jung… if you don’t tell us about your nucs we’ll send Kerry over to lecture you to death!!!

Truely evil!

Romeo13 on May 28, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Your faith in the democrats is impressive.

I trust them as far less than you.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Nope. They wanted Bush to lose the war. They will not saddle President Bambi with a lost war. They will not saddle Democrats with another lost war.

Not voting for McCain = allowing Obama to become the next president from your inaction.

This is not a hard concept to understand.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Again, where does “McCain blowing an easy election by advocating liberalism” fit in to the equation? I’d be happy to vote for him if he’d leave off of the idiot crap he’s pushing.

Have you seen the estimated costs of fighting the myth? And the increase in the size of gummint?

And amnesty and access to the welfare state for 12-20+ million illegal alien criminals and their families?

Given just those two things, help me understand how McCain will control spending, keep a lid on taxes, and check the size of gummint.

McCain, and McCain alone, will be responsible if he loses the election.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 6:01 PM

NO! You all don’t get it..

Kerry as Sec State is an outstanding idea….

Kim Jung… if you don’t tell us about your nucs we’ll send Kerry over to lecture you to death!!!

Truely evil!

Romeo13 on May 28, 2008 at 6:00 PM

A complex mind. All great criminals have that.

Holmes on May 28, 2008 at 6:01 PM

McCain, and McCain alone, will be responsible if he loses the election.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 6:01 PM

There is nothing more deceptive to some than an obvious fact.

Holmes on May 28, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Lord I hope not . . . but I must admit that he fits right in with the rest of those left wing morons.

rplat on May 28, 2008 at 6:05 PM

If Mccain loses, and Obama is the next president, it is on all the people who could have voted but did not, who will bear the blame.

The Obama supporters are going to vote for him anyway, so there’s no sense in blaming them.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM

If McCain loses, it’s his fault. He is as weak a candidate as Bob Dole and with only half the integrity of Dole.

Zorro on May 28, 2008 at 6:05 PM

I am not even eligible to vote in your elections and if your party chooses to nominate a devious old coot then you must bare the burden of your action. This is really not a difficult concept to understand

Holmes on May 28, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Perhaps you are Lithuanian, Lesothoan, or British. In any case, you must have seen your share of devious old coots in power. How did it turn out?

JiangxiDad on May 28, 2008 at 6:07 PM

McCain, and McCain alone, will be responsible if he loses the election.
misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 6:01 PM

There is nothing more deceptive to some than an obvious fact.
Holmes on May 28, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Yup.

People have the ability, but take no action against a democrat, and the democrat wins. It’s McCain’s fault.

Keep telling yourselves that.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 6:07 PM

If McCain loses, it’s his fault. He is as weak a candidate as Bob Dole and with only half the integrity of Dole.
Zorro on May 28, 2008 at 6:05 PM

It’s too bad that a real conservative like Fred Thompson didn’t win the republican nomination. Fred can’t declare himself king, he needed republicans to vote for him.

If only Fred got more votes than McCain, then Fred would be the republican nominee and I could vote for Fred against Obama.

Wait – it’s McCain’s fault that Obama will be the next president. What was I thinking.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 6:10 PM

If McCain picks Huckabee, then I’m joining the “lets let Obama rule the US – we might get a republican in office next time” crowd.

wise_man

Really? So what’s with all the “we have to support McCain because Obama is so bad” crap? Nothing changes if he picks Huck as his VP. Or Lieberman, or Nunn, or Crist, or any of the other horrible names that have been mentioned. He’ll still be the same guy, and Obama will be the same guy.

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 6:12 PM

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 6:07 PM

And you keep avoiding substantive replies to anyone who disagrees with you. Just keep demonizing and browbeating. And avoiding the fact that McCain is responsible for alienating conservatives.

It’s right out of the McCain playbook.

Funny thing: McCain could win the election in a walk if he wasn’t advocating liberalism.

But it’ll be OUR fault for not voting for liberalism.

Check.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 6:12 PM

If only Fred got more votes than McCain, then Fred would be the republican nominee and I could vote for Fred against Obama.

You can still vote for Fred against Obama. Don’t you know anything about American politics?

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 6:13 PM

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 6:12 PM

You’re wrong.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 6:14 PM

People have the ability, but take no action against a democrat, and the democrat wins. It’s McCain’s fault.

McCain has the ability, but takes no action against a Democrat, and the Democrat wins. It’s the peoples fault.

Keep telling yourself that.

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 6:15 PM

MB4 on May 28, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Purrrfect!

Semper Fi MB4

winemkr on May 28, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Again, where does “McCain blowing an easy election by advocating liberalism” fit in to the equation? I’d be happy to vote for him if he’d leave off of the idiot crap he’s pushing.

Have you seen the estimated costs of fighting the myth? And the increase in the size of gummint?

And amnesty and access to the welfare state for 12-20+ million illegal alien criminals and their families?

Given just those two things, help me understand how McCain will control spending, keep a lid on taxes, and check the size of gummint.

McCain, and McCain alone, will be responsible if he loses the election.

Hello!?!…ooo

Anybody there?!?…ereere

You’re wrong.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Ahh, finally, a substantive reply. Well, you make several good points, but in the end, your argument is unconvincing.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 6:17 PM

You’re wrong.

wise_man

You’re misnamed.

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Funny thing: McCain could win the election in a walk if he wasn’t advocating liberalism.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 6:12 PM

If a real conservative was running, you think it would be easier to win? I think it would be better, but infinitely harder.

JiangxiDad on May 28, 2008 at 6:19 PM

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Heh.

Peel that skin off.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Ahh, finally, a substantive reply. Well, you make several good points, but in the end, your argument is unconvincing.
misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 6:17 PM

I’m looking forward to speaking to you after November 2nd.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Some people thought it important enough to not vote for poppy Bush after he failed us when he promised ‘read my lips, no new taxes’ and either didn’t vote for him, or voted for Ross Perot to ’send a message’. We got 8 years of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

And we got the first Republican House majority, a conservative Republican House majority, in forty years.

I’ll take a replay of the 1990′s over what’s on offer, thanks. Because what’s on offer is a “GOP” president who makes Bill Clinton look moderate.

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 6:21 PM

You can still vote for Fred against Obama. Don’t you know anything about American politics?

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 6:13 PM

Please flesh out your idea of writing in candidates or voting for fringe party candidates, and how this scenario works out well for conservatives.

JiangxiDad on May 28, 2008 at 6:21 PM

If a real conservative was running, you think it would be easier to win? I think it would be better, but infinitely harder.

JiangxiDad

Why do you think that?

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 6:22 PM

If a real conservative was running, you think it would be easier to win? I think it would be better, but infinitely harder.

JiangxiDad on May 28, 2008 at 6:19 PM

A conservative who didn’t want to raise taxes and increase the size of government? Who didn’t want to grant amnesty?

I think so. He’d have the right side behind him, and look at the commie-socialist empty suit he’d be running against.

If McCain wasn’t so gosh-darned Honorable, he could make Bambi run home with tears streaming down his face. If he wasn’t so bipartisan, he could point out all of Bambi’s stupidity. As it is, he has to be careful, because he’s guilty of some of the same stupidity.

A candidate who didn’t believe in the global warmism religion could trumpet the staggering costs of fighting (ineffectively) against it.

And could hammer the Dems on preventing us from drilling for our own oil while gas and oil are so ridiculously expensive. Only McCain doesn’t want to drill our own oil either.

A candidate who didn’t advocate amnesty could point out the staggering costs of adding 20-50-100 million poor people to the welfare rolls.

Yeah, I think so.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Please flesh out your idea of writing in candidates or voting for fringe party candidates, and how this scenario works out well for conservatives.

It needs no “fleshing out”. If you think that the Libertarian or Constitution party candidate is better, vote for them. It works out well for conservatives by letting the GOP know that they can’t take our votes for granted. If McMoron loses while those parties pick up even five percent of the vote, it’s a victory for conservatives.

1) Beacuse we help to defeat a liberal.

2) Because we show we have teeth. The NRA is not feared because they have guns, but because they have knocked off people who want against them.

If conservatives want to have ANY influence within the GOP, they have to learn to walk away at times. Otherwise the party will keep moving left. It’s already to the left of where the Dems were just a dozen years ago.

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 6:28 PM

Why do you think that?

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 6:22 PM

I think to get people to vote “conservative,” a political philosophy has to be explained/understood. The whole idea of what kind of governance produces/protects the underpinnings of a just society. Hard to do.

Not so much with liberalism. Promise people everything and anything. So I figure that without thinking, more and more people would be attracted to liberalism. Also, the media made the war into a hysteria. It’s rather successful, and relatively speaking, with few casualties. But that’s not the message out there.

A conserv. would have to be a teacher. Not so sure how many are educable.

JiangxiDad on May 28, 2008 at 6:29 PM

It’s too bad that a real conservative like Fred Thompson didn’t win the republican nomination. Fred can’t declare himself king, he needed republicans to vote for him.

If only Fred got more votes than McCain, then Fred would be the republican nominee and I could vote for Fred against Obama.

Wait – it’s McCain’s fault that Obama will be the next president. What was I thinking.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 6:10 PM

No, no no, then it would be Fred’s fault for not winning the nomination, thus activating the 666th True Conservative Circular Firing Squads.

Sekhmet on May 28, 2008 at 6:31 PM

I’m looking forward to speaking to you after November 2nd.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Uhm. Why? Try to think past November.

The world doesn’t end, and the government is not set in stone forever, after November.

You know the party in control of the Presidency usually loses seats in Congress during mid-term elections, don’t you?

FDR did more damage to the country than Obama and the Dems will be able to do in 2 or 4 years (or 6 or 8, for that matter). We’re surviving FDR’s damage, barely, though his chickens are coming ever closer to home. To rooooost.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Yeah, I think so.

misterpeasea on May 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM

The people I know in NY wouldn’t even hear you. Maybe my view is too prejudiced by my geography. Hope you’re right.

JiangxiDad on May 28, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Hey, Circular Firing Squad members—–wasn’t “losing to win” the plan in 2006—you know, to ensure a true movement conservative on the 2008 ticket by showing the power of the conservative vote by staying home?

How did that work out, again?

Sekhmet on May 28, 2008 at 6:38 PM

If conservatives want to have ANY influence within the GOP, they have to learn to walk away at times. Otherwise the party will keep moving left. It’s already to the left of where the Dems were just a dozen years ago.

flenser on May 28, 2008 at 6:28 PM

I respect your political opinions. You seem well informed. I don’t see why building a viable 3rd party before jumping ship isn’t better. Or even abandoning Cap’t Queeg after he’s elected.

JiangxiDad on May 28, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Sadly, the majority of the U.S. American people want a similar “new conservatism”, similar to the new one in Britain.

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 6:40 PM

If Kerry were to go to Iran, can we pay them to keep him? Of course we could use him as a secret weapon. Anyone forced to listen to him for more than 10 or 15 minutes is likely to commit suicide.

GarandFan on May 28, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Kerry would likely face competition from Biden…Dodd…and…Daschle…

Dear God, help us.

SouthernDem on May 28, 2008 at 6:50 PM

It seems that Messrs McCain/Obama made up their minds, stubbornly, to test:

1. McCain winning without the far right, and
2. Obama winning without the white working class.

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 6:53 PM

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 6:53 PM

Succinct. Nicely put. If you tell me how the test turns out, I’ll tell you if you’re right.

JiangxiDad on May 28, 2008 at 6:58 PM

that should be, “how the test will work out,”

JiangxiDad on May 28, 2008 at 6:58 PM

Waffles for SoS! Who could be a more fitting successor in the lefty tradition to Madelaine Albright than Waffles.

What the world needs is a leader like Waffles! He can leap tall buildings with a single nuance dialogue.

Bwahahaha. Kumbayayayaya.

Bizarro world indeed.

petefrt on May 28, 2008 at 7:02 PM

JiangxiDad, how am I to know? I have some talents but I can’t see into the future. All I can tell you is this – an Obama presidency, with a majority in both houses, will be a disaster for your kids and this country. That I know for sure.

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Also, JiangxiDad, I don’t want to be right – I don’t want my adored and yet wonderful country to go socialist/Marxist, with an anarchist first lady to represent me to the world.

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 7:06 PM

NO! You all don’t get it..

Kerry as Sec State is an outstanding idea….

Kim Jung… if you don’t tell us about your nucs we’ll send Kerry over to lecture you to death!!!

Truely evil!

Romeo13 on May 28, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Nope! Negotiations would break down when they began to quibble who has the better hair.

onlineanalyst on May 28, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Gore for the EPA?

obladioblada on May 28, 2008 at 7:35 PM

That would require Obama winning the general election. Yeah, just as soon as that hell freezing over thang happens.

THE CHOSEN ONE on May 28, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Gore for the EPA?

obladioblada on May 28, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Yes, perfect! Kerry as SoS and Gore for EPA! What a wonderful world they will make.

petefrt on May 28, 2008 at 8:29 PM

misterpeasea, it’s such a sad day – I’ve concluded that I no longer am proud to fight for her, nor do I care any moe, and that says a lot. I simply am tired of the left and the right. Fight all you wish, in circle shoot-outs. It’s going nowhere but down. Sad to watch, but obvious. Good luck to us all.

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 5:46 PM

:(
JiangxiDad, how am I to know? I have some talents but I can’t see into the future. All I can tell you is this – an Obama presidency, with a majority in both houses, will be a disaster for your kids and this country. That I know for sure.

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Also, JiangxiDad, I don’t want to be right – I don’t want my adored and yet wonderful country to go socialist/Marxist, with an anarchist first lady to represent me to the world.

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 7:06 PM

That’s more like it.

:)

hillbillyjim on May 28, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Oops, I screwed up the blockquotes.

Proofread, you ingorant hillbilly!

hillbillyjim on May 28, 2008 at 8:38 PM

How much worse than Condi would a Kerry/Obama State Dept. be????

it worries me just how much I would rather be governed by the Hildabeast over these clowns.

jp on May 28, 2008 at 4:00 PM

Not much worse. Both parties subscribe to multiculturalism.

aengus on May 28, 2008 at 8:43 PM

That would require Obama winning the general election. Yeah, just as soon as that hell freezing over thang happens.
THE CHOSEN ONE on May 28, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Obama is most likely going to be the next president.

wise_man on May 28, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Um, Every dog (that served in Vietnam) has its day?

Weebork on May 28, 2008 at 9:09 PM

Proofread, you ingorant hillbilly!

hillbillyjim on May 28, 2008 at 8:38 PM

Hugs hillbillyjim – if you are “ignorant” then we’re all Nobel prize candidates, the ones that merit to be, not the Carter/Gore types. It’s pretty depressing to watch our land go through so much idiocy.

Entelechy on May 28, 2008 at 9:11 PM

Secretary of state! Noblesse oblige.

Frankly, I’d rather have a shop teacher for the Secretary of State. There are some things that are better communicated via a power tool demonstration.

moxie_neanderthal on May 29, 2008 at 1:54 AM

And now McCain is talking about OBSCENE PROFITS!?!

Kiss my capitalist ass, Juan.

OBAMA ’08: VOTE FOR THE PROUD COMMUNIST!

misterpeasea on May 29, 2008 at 2:59 AM

Let’s tell the truth. Mr. Reagan will raise taxes, and so will I. He won’t tell you. I just did.
- Walter Mondale

Let’s tell the truth. Mr. McCain will grant amnesty and suppress freedom of speech and so will I. He won’t tell you. I just did.
- Barak Obama

MB4 on May 29, 2008 at 6:30 AM

In the end, it doesn’t really matter who is Secretary of State. The President makes policy; it is the job of State to carry it out.

Now think about that ignoramus Obambi making policy. . .

MrLynn on May 29, 2008 at 7:39 AM

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