Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz? Update: No mention in 2002 speech; Update: Video added; Update: New video
posted at 10:54 am on May 27, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The meme about Obama’s many gaffes is fun and useful as an antidote to the media myth of St. Barack’s infallibility on the stump, but I think we’ve reached the point of diminishing returns, especially in cases like the “fallen heroes” comment where he’s guilty of nothing more than awkward phrasing. I can imagine myself stumbling into the same silly formulation and that’s without 15 months of 18-hour days on the trail. Needless to say, it’s also a bit late in the game for conservatives to take great exception to rhetorical clumsiness in a would-be president.
Like See-Dub says, though, there are gaffes and there are gaffes:
Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said the family legend is that, upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic. “Now obviously, something had really affected him deeply, but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain,” Obama said. “That’s why this idea of making sure that every single veteran, when they are discharged, are screened for post-traumatic stress disorder and given the mental health services that they need – that’s why it’s so important.”
Follow the last link to Ace’s site for a reminder of who did the liberating at Auschwitz. I notice that the Auschwitz part of Obama’s remarks isn’t quoted, which made me suspect that he hadn’t specified the camp at all and the reporter had sloppily jumped to conclusions. Not so: WaPo’s account also mentions Auschwitz (although again without directly quoting him). The charitable explanation is that he simply mistook which camp it was that his uncle helped liberate — Patton’s army, for example, liberated Buchenwald and Mauthausen — but according to Obama it was his grandfather who marched with Patton, not his uncle. (Or was his uncle in the Third Army too?) The uncharitable explanation — well, follow the link to See-Dub for that. I don’t think Obama’s crazy/Hillaryesque enough to make up a story like this whole cloth knowing what the consequences would be if he got caught, but there is a parallel with the Tuzla debacle here insofar as it’s never a good idea to float a powerful personal story that hasn’t been thoroughly fact-checked. Exit question: Barry’s got some interesting theories about World War II, huh?
Update: Geraghty has the right read on Obama’s proneness to gaffes. It’s not that he shouldn’t be indulged, it’s that the press should be similarly indulgent of conservatives.
Update: Lawhawk notes that Obama didn’t mention Auschwitz at all in his speech yesterday and wonders if CBS’s reporter simply made it up. Answer: no. WaPo noted the Auschwitz line too. It wasn’t part of the speech but the speech doesn’t represent the sum total of what he said in New Mexico. It’s only 10 minutes long; per WaPo, Obama spoke “for most of an hour.”
Update: I made a mistake in the headline; it wasn’t his grandfather who he said liberated Auschwitz, it was his uncle. Which prompts the question: Which uncle? Geraghty’s been googling and it looks like his mother was an only child. Was this “uncle” just a family friend, like “Uncle” Jeremiah Wright?
Update: A reader e-mails pointing to this passage in Obama’s 2002 anti-war speech:
My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.
No mention of his uncle, even though this would have been an obvious place for it. Maybe it was his grandfather who helped liberate Buchenwald with Patton and somehow that turned into a mysterious uncle liberating Auschwitz. But, er, how and why?
Update: Commenter windansea sends along the video. Skip ahead to 5:14 for the part about his uncle; as luck would have it, it’s almost inaudible thanks to the wind blowing at that moment, to the point where I can’t tell if he mentions Auschwitz at all. I’ll trust the reporters who were there, two of whom claim to have heard it.
Other commenters are telling me that his great-uncle Ralph was in the service, so that’s probably who he means. In all likelihood he simply named the wrong camp here. Sloppy, but not nefarious a la Tuzla.
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Wasn’t his grandfather in Kenya milking goats during WWII?
Oh, he means his typical white grandather!
The media should examine Barry’s borrowed glory claims as thoroughly as they have reamed Hillary’s.
profitsbeard on May 27, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Since Auschwitz was in Poland, the Allies must have opened a secret third front to help the Soviets in the liberation.
Obama doesn’t know history and he doesn’t know that there are fifty states (as opposed to 57). He certainly represents change.
Special Forces Grunt on May 27, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Distraction!
amerpundit on May 27, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Dream on.
KelliD on May 27, 2008 at 11:02 AM
But did he liberate them while spiraling in under sniper fire? Perhaps we can get the guy who does the Nightly Potato to do a Matrix-style short of Hillary dodging and ducking .50 cal rounds.
In any case, Senator Obama, the Ruskies liberated Auschwitz. .
This guy is such a noob.
jcmorris on May 27, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Just words… Just speeches…
saltydogg14 on May 27, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I would suggest that he shouldn’t talk about things that tie into his bizarre previous gaffes and/or lunatic ideas about “diplomacy” or “social and economic justice,” etc. The guy is in a mine field of his own creation. The only lifeline he has is the media. We will see if their protection will be enough to get this idiot (and no question about it, he’s an idiot) elected POTUS.
funky chicken on May 27, 2008 at 11:08 AM
According to his buddies Chavez and his Ineedadinnerjacket, Auschwitz didn’t exist.
right2bright on May 27, 2008 at 11:09 AM
More commies in Obama’s family? =P
Dash on May 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM
The question is, did his uncle/grandfather??
JiangxiDad on May 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM
This is truly the election season where imagination has really come into play. Shillary dodging bullets in Tuzla, McPain saying he really is a conservative at heart, and now B.O.’s grandfather. If anything, even if any of them lose the election, besides falling back on their political careers, they have all displayed the qualities of one day being great writers of fiction and fantasy.
pilamaye on May 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM
For Hussein’s uncle to have been at Auschwitz, would he not have been in the Red Army? Plus, how many 45 year old guys have an uncle who was born in, what, 1923? If this is really some “family
mythlegend,” it means that he’snever really thought about it – evah.Akzed on May 27, 2008 at 11:15 AM
So this is where he got his commie heritage?
Borrowed glory same as phoney soldiers …
tarpon on May 27, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Bleh. I don’t even know why politicians bother mentioning stuff like this at all.
Ya, my grandfather jumped with the 504 PIR, what does that have to do with me? I could have grown up to be the biggest POS on the planet. Who the hell cares?
Seriously, I don’t get it, I mean, hey I like bragging about my relatives who have done great things in the past, but it doesn’t mean I have done anything. Looking back on my grandfather’s generation and what those guys accomplished before, during and after the war, it’s amazing. But, damn, I’m not going to attempt to share in that glory.
Next time I go on a job interview, I’ll point out that my grandfather made 4 combat jumps, came home, raised a family, spent 30 years as a cop and stayed married to the same woman for 55 years.
reaganaut on May 27, 2008 at 11:17 AM
This is definitely not helping his kids.
WisCon on May 27, 2008 at 11:17 AM
It’s OK, Tom Friedman has commanded us that all we Jews should vote for Obama.
TexasJew on May 27, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Obama is the victim of “convenient false memory” syndrome which infects so many Democrat candidates when they run for office. Kind of like Hillary’s recollection of sniper fire….
landlines on May 27, 2008 at 11:21 AM
According to Biography dot com At teh age of ten Barack moved back from Indonesia to live with his maternal grandparents in HI. You know the grandfather who marched across Europe with Patton. I know how easy it is for kids to get uncles, aunts, nieces, grandparents mixed up…especially when you live with them!
I chose Biography.com because it should be less prone to manipulation then say Obamas web site or Wikipedia.
Just A Grunt on May 27, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I don’t think history was his best subject. Apparently not family history either.
RBMN on May 27, 2008 at 11:22 AM
What a dumb ass. How did this ignorant shmuck come up with this bonehead story? He must have his death camps mixed up or he is an outright liar.
saiga on May 27, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Finally, a legitimate use for AUDACITY OF HOPE, hope that Obama will fail miserably on his own account.
“On January 27, 1945, the Soviet army entered Auschwitz and liberated more than 7,000 remaining prisoners, who were mostly ill and dying.” http://www.ushmm.org
Berry’s going to cry cherry pickin’ in self defense. But there’s NO EXCUSE for a POTUS to not know what he’s talking about time and time again! Talk about wholecloth! That’s all Berry has to wear.
But you see, that the media is so ignorant as to accept total fabricated sh*t for historical record leaves us all at hell’s gate. Berry depends on that ignorance, always qualifying his platform by “what the general public knows” to be the case.
What a lousy loser Berry is! He may as well join his uncle in the attic and spare all of us the misery that accompanies his misbegotten Foot ‘n Mouth epidemic.
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 11:22 AM
This is truly the election season where imagination has really come into play. Shillary dodging bullets in Tuzla, McPain saying he really is a conservative at heart, and now B.O.’s grandfather. If anything, even if any of them lose the election, besides falling back on their political careers, they have all displayed the qualities of one day being great writers of fiction and fantasy.
pilamaye on May 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Like ex-President “BJ” Clinton playing golf, I think the American people (especially the taxpayers) need to be allowed a “do-over”.
These three clowns suck!!
Caveat – of course, our clown sucks quite a bit less than theirs do.
TexasJew on May 27, 2008 at 11:23 AM
To be fair, he’s making a point here and using his uncle and/or grandfather to make that point. The bragging is secondary.
And honestly, I don’t have a problem with his point. I’m sure it’s very true that veterans of that war had problems dealing with what they saw and that we were unprepared in how to help them cope. I hope that we have learned from that and are now prepared to help the men and women who come home from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Esthier on May 27, 2008 at 11:24 AM
If he was fair, he’d make the point without making something up. Clearly his grandfather wasn’t there. Was his uncle? Who knows? Why not make the point without the lies? Sorry, it seems like Tuzla again.
JiangxiDad on May 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Does anyone remember any other candidate for President that made claims of genetic military experience as part of his qualification for the job?
Can you think of anyone else as inexperienced as Obama that has written and published TWO autobiographies?
Socratease on May 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Now we know where TeflonObama got his foreign policy experience.
cntrlfrk on May 27, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Did Grandpaw have a magic hat, by any chance?…
mojo on May 27, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Bing. We’ve got a small-time community agitator stealing the honor of other men. It’s really disgusting to watch.
RushBaby on May 27, 2008 at 11:31 AM
This is even more depressing because it shows that no journalists covering this speech knew a simple fact, that no Americans were there when Auschwitz was liberated. Or, if they did know, they were too far in the tank for Obama to call him on it.
Makes my head hurt.
rockmom on May 27, 2008 at 11:33 AM
I’ve tossed out “F*ck it! McCain ‘08″ and “Were Screwed ‘08″
I think we have a new McCain ‘08 campaign slogan!!
cntrlfrk on May 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM
He could say his uncle liberated Thumbellena from the Mushroom Kingdom and the press wouldn’t bother reporting on it.
The MSM is in the tank and will cover for any mistakes he makes. I pity Dan Quayle…he should have been a Democrat.
Asher on May 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM
To be fair, Obama’s making quite a few points here, negative points.
1. BHO makes a lot of stupid mistakes.
2. BHO is an ignorant, pompous braggart and a liar.
3. BHO knows what the public knows and no more.
4. BHO would use American heros to cover his own sins.
5. Whatever “benefit” BHO promises, beware of Trojan Horses.
etc.
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 11:36 AM
That would make his uncle 32 years older than he is. I’m 26. My mother was the youngest in her family, and she’s 54. Her older sister is 62, and her older brother is 59.
So my uncle is 34 years older than I am, and my aunt is 37 years older. And I have a younger brother.
On top of that, I have no children right now and have two older siblings. When/if I have children, they will have an aunt who is at least over 35 and an uncle who is at least over 33.
Sorry if it looks like I’m beating the point down. All of your other points are completely solid. In fact, he might not have an uncle old enough to have served. It’s not completely uncommon, but it is a little unique as most families generally have children all along the same age, and women generally have children before reaching 30.
Esthier on May 27, 2008 at 11:36 AM
cntrlfrk on May 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM
“Oh, no! Berry HO.”
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 11:38 AM
We learn something new every day about Obambi’s fictional past.
Agreement with Special Forces Grunt that it is interesting how Obamas grandfather had mysteriously managed to join the Russian Army.
viking01 on May 27, 2008 at 11:38 AM
As I said over at Ace’s I think that he may have gotten his German place names jumbled–as someone with only surface knowledge of WWII might. If he doesn’t know that the USSR was our WWII ally–as I think he has demonstrated in the diplomacy controversy–he certainly wouldn’t know that ‘Auschwitz’ was the German name for the Polish village of Oświęcim. To such a person most German words might be confusing and all of them might run together in his mind. (”Auschwitz, Dachau, whatever.”)
And, yes, it’s another embarrassing gaffe–if he said it.
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 11:40 AM
It sounds as if Obama grew up being “steeped” in militarism, seeing as he was surrounded by all these military types.
Harkin, you have something to say about this?
Bishop on May 27, 2008 at 11:40 AM
I certainly don’t dispute that. Though it’s entirely possible his grandfather and/or uncle was sent to a random death camp to liberate people and that his family assumed it was Auschwitz and that Barack really doesn’t know Americans weren’t there.
I have no problem believing the man is ignorant of history. His politics see to prove that anyway.
Esthier on May 27, 2008 at 11:40 AM
And honestly, I don’t have a problem with his point. I’m sure it’s very true that veterans of that war had problems dealing with what they saw and that we were unprepared in how to help them cope. I hope that we have learned from that and are now prepared to help the men and women who come home from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Esthier on May 27, 2008 at 11:24 AM
What the hell are you talking about?
BOTH my parents were combat vets (my mom was a combat nurse in the South Pacific – Battle of Leyte, etc.) and my dad was a combat soldier in Europe).- D-Day and all that. Believe me, whatever they saw – and it was a lot – was just a tiny smidgen of what my other relatives (the very few who survived) saw in the concentration camps (where they were brutalized and starved inmates and not tourists). And my folks often told me that.
And – across the board – the reaction of every one of my relatives, was – to have lots of happy kids (even those whose kids and first spouses the Nazis had murdered) and enjoy and appreciate our wonderful American lives.
Obama can shove his silly fantasy world up his lying arse.
TexasJew on May 27, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Wellllll…yeah. I’m two years older then my wife. My father was born in 1924. Her pop was born in 1898, same year as my grandfather. The age difference between her oldest sister and youngest brother is 24 years.
Limerick on May 27, 2008 at 11:41 AM
For all of his supposed brilliance, its becoming clear that Obama has only the vaguest, most superficial comprehension of history. It’s what you would expect from someone who learned history from watching TV shows. You could probably get a more accurate account of facts from the average guy on the next barstool.
It really makes you wonder what Buraq was studying in all those years of ivy league schooling. Maybe “hate whitey” and “Amerikkka” were the only topics that he absorbed as he was growing up.
Cicero43 on May 27, 2008 at 11:41 AM
“Uncle”-so-and-so is how family’s usually refer to their parent’s uncles just as that’s their reference in conversation, though great-uncle he would be.
But let’s have Berry cry “UNCLE!” on this himself.
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Um, it is possible that he is referring to one of the brothers of either of his American grandparents.
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Calm down, everything is alright now. CBS has changed the story on their website now and changed uncle to grandfather without offering any reason or I guess figuring people would notice. Whew that was close. So it is just another gaffe wiped from memory, allowed to go down the memory hole. I guess CBS possesses one of those falsh thingy’s like the Men in Black have.
Just A Grunt on May 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Wow.
That’s really great for your family.
Are you trying to say that no one returned from the war with psychological issues?
Esthier on May 27, 2008 at 11:44 AM
So Obama’s “uncle” is 1) incredibly old and 2) a Soviet?
Ok, I believe him.
Lehosh on May 27, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Stolen Honor
TimothyJ on May 27, 2008 at 11:48 AM
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Your point is made. And with the switch-a-roni goof that Obama made, goes the “public knowledge” that knows nothing of Dachau. It is “Auschwitz or bust” for today’s reference, and that Obama would abbreviate history with such grotesque manners is NOT to be overlooked.
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 11:48 AM
When I clicked over there just now it still said this:
You may be thinking about the first part of the article where he does talk about his American grandfather. The part about the uncle is further down and remains the same.
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Having endured it for two terms you think ending it now is Fair’n'Balanced?
I say let the Death by a thousand cuts begin.
Stephen M on May 27, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Thanks. Just trying to help out wherever I can.
And I agree that Obama’s ignorance of recent American history is a huge problem.
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 11:54 AM
All the extermination (Vernichtungslager) camps (where the Nazis gassed victims) were in Poland (Chelmno, Majadanek, Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec and Auschwitz-Birkenau). The concentration camps (Konsentrationslager) were where people essentially were worked to death (Dachau, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen, Belsen, etc). People confuse extermination camps with concentration camps.
Hilts on May 27, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Agree with AP and Geraghty. The double-standard is just so irksome though.
W’s well-recorded verbal slip-ups are apparently indicative of how “stupid” he is, but for The Deliverer–who pretty much is running an entire campaign based solely on eloquence–the same rules don’t apply.
Gymkata on May 27, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Hussein is 45, so his uncle (as noted, not his grandfather) would be 40 years older. Not impossible at all, but that’s 23 years older than Hussein’s mother. Age disparities that large among siblings are quite rare, but not as rare as Americans in the vanguard of the Red Army in 1945 – though there were instances of inter-army exchange between the Reds and Americans to minimize friendly fire.
Akzed on May 27, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Esthier, no need to grasp straws on BHO’s account.
It was Memorial Day! You remember your family. The family that lived through the event, BHO’s grandparents who raised BHO, tells their story. The listener BHO hears the direct account from his grandfather’s mouth! His grandfather was with Patton. There were true stories that his grandfather told to BHO that BHO dismissed out of hand in preference for a stupid lie. That shows BHO has no deference for his grandfather whom he was supposedly promoting. BHO is the most convoluted idiot that Americans have ever been subjected to on a most serious basis, the POTUS at stake.
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Das stimmt, aber dead is dead and genocide is genocide.
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Can’t be Dachau, that was Seventh Army (didn’t land in Normandy, it came up from Operation Dragoon landing in southern France and not part of Patton’s command)
Limerick on May 27, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Obama might have an age problem with this gaffe. Obama was born in 1961, but any soldier who liberated Auschwitz would have to be at least 18 years old in 1945, or born in 1927 or earlier. So does Obama’s mom have a brother who was over 34 years old when Barry O was born?
But if this is true, what would Barry O’s patriotic uncle who liberated Auschwitz think of Barry O’s other “crazy uncle” who traveled to Tripoli with Farrakhan? Or Barry O’s brother fighting with Odinga for Sharia law in Kenya? If Barry O’s mother’s family is so patriotic, why did Barry O write a book about dreaming of his father? A very confused young man…
Steve Z on May 27, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Obama’s relatives may well have been in the Soviet Army – after all, wasn’t his dad a Commie?
Lehuster on May 27, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Yep. Dachau had it’s ovens too.
Limerick on May 27, 2008 at 11:58 AM
He wasn’t talking about his mother’s brother (she was an only child). He was talking about a brother of one of his American grandparents.
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 11:59 AM
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 11:54 AM
ABBREVIATION is the sign of modernity.
Naturally, a real problem arises when all is lost in a sickening conjunction. To complicate matters further, when context is aborted, we’ve sunk. Remember the old Cosby routine, “Noah, how long can you tread water?”
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 12:00 PM
The joke is that it’s his Uncle Joe Stalin.
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Remember also that Hussein counts his five years in an Indonesian madrassa as part of his foreign policy cred. So let’s see: he was in a madrassa as a child, he was a commoonity activis in Chicago, and his uncle served with the Red Army in the Great Patriotic War. Works for me.
Akzed on May 27, 2008 at 12:01 PM
To be fair (and give him more credit than he deserves), a lot of the Greatest Generation never spoke of what they saw or endured.
I have an uncle who was a POW in Germany, but that’s literally all we know, because he died sixty years later without ever having told anyone anything about it. We have our theories, and we talk about our theories, but we could be completely wrong.
Another uncle had three silver stars, but when I asked how he got them, a few months before he died, I heard (amazing!) stories that his own children and wife had never heard.
Obama’s family may have just guessed, and passed on their guesses. A lot of families had to do that.
(And to add to the tally, my oldest blood-related uncle was 51 years older than me, and 20 years older than my father. And he also fought in WWII, as well as Korea.)
Tanya on May 27, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Whatchu talkin’ ’bout, Willis?
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 12:01 PM
That’s odd. My uncle spent 6 months in hospital when he returned from 18 unrelieved months mostly alone as a Ranger behind German lines.
eeyore on May 27, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Bingo!
franksalterego on May 27, 2008 at 12:02 PM
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Though as BHO tells it, that was his Uncle Sam.
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Akzed, slow down. He’s talking about a great-uncle–a sibling of one of the grandparents who raised him. The typical white people.
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 12:03 PM
So it was a great-uncle, which is plausible age-wise. I had a great-uncle killed over Italy and I’m 52.
Akzed on May 27, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Sorry, my math was off, but I still have him being less than 40 years older assuming he was young when he served. Age gaps like that are rare, but they were understandably less rare during and after the war even among Americans.
Esthier on May 27, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Maybe Obambi ignorantly confused Dachau with Auschwitz but do we need a president who could bomb Sudan then realize he meant Yemen?
viking01 on May 27, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Bill Cosby’s old stand-up routines on LP from the early ’60’s that had his story of Noah talking/arguing with God about having to build an arc when the sun was shining and there wasn’t any threat of rain so far as Noah could see; also the story of the Chicken Heart that ate NYC that older kids would scare him with when he was little. Good humor.
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 12:07 PM
That makes sense. I’d forgotten she was an only child.
I buy this as an explanation and believe he isn’t lying, but as someone running for president, he should know that our troops weren’t there.
Esthier on May 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM
My step-father’s father was also a POW in France and none of us knew it until just before Grandpa died a couple of years ago. The only way Dad found out was by undressing his dad in the hospital. Grandpa had three entry wounds near his shoulder.
That’s the way the men of old behaved.
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Before any more hot air gets wasted on BHO, look up his genealogy to see if his maternal grandfather had a brother, and if that brother served in the European WWII campaign.
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 12:10 PM
The main difference between this and a myth? The people actually existed…but the event may never have happened.
right2bright on May 27, 2008 at 12:11 PM
It was his ‘Uncle Joe’ Stalin…..
Think_b4_speaking on May 27, 2008 at 12:12 PM
I think he means Uncle Sam.
Geronimo on May 27, 2008 at 12:12 PM
I guess BHO thinks this qualifies him to be commander in chief of his 57 states…how about the morons that will vote for him…
areseaoh on May 27, 2008 at 12:14 PM
This is bizarre: a non-existent uncle impossibly in a place only the Russian Army was involved in? Is there actual video of Barack’s speech to confirm all of these horrendous gaffes, or is it some hallucenations by the news media there?
michaelo on May 27, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Maybe he meant Uncle Joe Stalin ?
William Amos on May 27, 2008 at 12:16 PM
I agree, that part was just dumb, but I guess they don’t have time for history classes in law school. *sigh*
What’s that saying? Never attribute to malice that which can more easily be explained by stupidity?
Tanya on May 27, 2008 at 12:16 PM
My sister killed a bug once.
Can I be President now?
fogw on May 27, 2008 at 12:18 PM
All one need do is request their ancestors Compiled Military Record from the National Archives.
I have my GGF’s CMR from the American Civil War and my GGM’s Pension Application when he was KIA. The details of GGF’s orders and movements with his regiment are incredible as is the Pension Record.
The Messiah needs to check fact before open mouth.
But that would be a distraction.
bloviator on May 27, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Obamistakes.
Jim Treacher on May 27, 2008 at 12:21 PM
I’d give 100:1, not one word of this story is verifiable.
takers?
franksalterego on May 27, 2008 at 12:21 PM
My dad served in the Pacific, and only related one story to us while we grew up. But he kept his Jap rifle for us to study and handle (never loaded, didn’t keep ammo for it).
But my Uncle Ed was a hero with Patton’s Army, and he’d tell us all the most grizzly stories whenever he’d visit. He made a career in the Army after also serving in Korea. He originally enlisted a private and retired a full Colonel from years in the Pentagon. Once he retired, though, he never spoke of campaigns again. Only when he was middle aged and we cousins were young, not as an older man. The leftist public outrage during and following the Vietnam War ruined the honor that our veterans were due; PC started in the ’70’s making military topics “uncomfortable” for proper society. That Obama now tries to vamp the high moral ground on veteran affairs is outrageous.
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM
I think it’s entirely possible that Obama’s grandparents told him a story about one of their brothers and got the name of the camp mixed up. Or perhaps they remembered the camp correctly and Obama didn’t. But either way, if Obama is going to make political hay out of a sensitive family story in a high-profile speech, at minimum he or his staff should have done a tiny bit of research beforehand.
Obama has already been heavily criticized over the patriotism issue. This is a topic where he should know that all eyes will be on him and he has to be cautious. This speech should have been extremely carefully written and he should have taken pains not to extemporize at all. Instead he tries to score political points on our country’s most solemn civic holiday and comes off looking like a moron to boot. He gets an F.
Missy on May 27, 2008 at 12:23 PM
He is probably referring to a great-uncle. A brother to his typical white grandmother or grandfather.
Sue on May 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Let BHO campaign to rule his lucky 7 imaginary states along with all of his imaginary diplomatic ties and leave the rest of us alone.
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 12:26 PM
franksalterego on May 27, 2008 at 12:21 PM
I’m not buying BHO WHOLECLOTH.
maverick muse on May 27, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Unless his “fellow” troops were Red Army, I doubt that.
right2bright on May 27, 2008 at 12:30 PM
My sister killed a bug once.
Can I be President now?
fogw on May 27, 2008 at 12:18 PM
You’ll have to wait until we check out the dead bug’s effect on your carbon footprint.
TexasJew on May 27, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Says here that BHO’s grandfather, Stanley Dunham, had one brother Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham Jr., b. 29 August 1916. That could be the uncle that O is talking about.
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 12:32 PM
His Uncle was in the Commie Red Army?
Yea, sounds about right to me.
Conservative_SAHM on May 27, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I’d give 100:1, not one word of this story is verifiable.
takers?
franksalterego on May 27, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Oh, its verifiable…
A verifiable LIE.
Let’s look at his male relatives’ publicly-accessible service records and see.
He’s not used to being vetted (no pun intended).
TexasJew on May 27, 2008 at 12:33 PM
His white grandfather had a brother (see above). And on the cover of Dreams from My Father, there’s a pic of his mother and grandfather–with the Old Man in uniform.
That said, Obama still does not get a pass for his historical ignorance. He can’t even get Iraq and Afghanistan right.
baldilocks on May 27, 2008 at 12:38 PM
It’s very likely fitting here.
Before this news, I honestly didn’t know who liberated Auschwitz. My knowledge of history isn’t what I’d like. Then again, I’m not running for president.
Esthier on May 27, 2008 at 12:39 PM
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