You must mean John Calvin…like in the early 1500’s. Why would you equate something from 500 years ago to now, except to mislead?
That is like the foolish “crusade” arguments,or other such foolish comparisons.
And what Christian government is like the Taliban now?

right2bright on May 27, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Sorry for the Jean Calvin. I was reading a book in French about religion and “Jean” actually was the dude’s name. I should have anglicized it.

Anyway, my point in bringing up Jean Calvin was not moral equivalence. I’m proud of Western culture including our Christianity and Judaism. I do strongly believe in the superiority of Christianity and Judaism to Islam. And I view the Crusades as a defensive reaction several centuries too late.

On the other hand, Christianity has resulted in some unfortunate and cruel laws in the West: punishment for gay sex and lustful teenage heterosexuals among the most blatant. And there was the Inquisition, the pograms, abuse of unwed mothers, and censorship run amok as with Anthony Comstock here in the United States. We seem to have got over that phase of Christianity. Perhaps, the muslims will get over their religious evil also.

Isn’t this hope for change to a milder Islam the only justification for us being in Iraq? If the muslims are just going to be Islamic nutcases, our only credible tactic for survival in an age of nuclear weapons is to kill them now and convert at gun point any survivors. My point in bringing up John Calvin’s Geneva is to show some hope that George W’s strategy of bring democracy to Iraq will work.

I wonder how the common man felt in Jean Calvin’s Geneva–the Christian government which came the closest to the Taliban’s Afghanistan? I suppose there was no internet back then.

thuja on May 27, 2008 at 11:27 AM

You must mean John Calvin…like in the early 1500’s. Why would you equate something from 500 years ago to now, except to mislead?
That is like the foolish “crusade” arguments,or other such foolish comparisons.
And what Christian government is like the Taliban now?

It’s a pity that there is no practical way to let the theocrats rule for ten years and then hold an election on whether the theocrats should get the death penalty.

I wonder how the common man felt in Jean Calvin’s Geneva–the Christian government which came the closest to the Taliban’s Afghanistan? I suppose there was no internet back then.

Luckily, there seem to be some even in “Sadr City”.

Power to the Disgusted With Fanatics!

. . . Harry Reid and the rest of the Brave Sir Robin crew need to
be sent out on their collective butts for turning their backs and undermining the very mission they sent our Soldiers off to battle for.

Baxter Greene on May 27, 2008 at 9:48 AM

Indeed, but the American public (outside of forums like this) have been so brainwashed by the Dems and the MSM that they believe the nonsense that Jessica Lange spouted.

I wonder just what the landscape come November might be if Iraq continues on its present course, and sometime over the summer we’re presented with the corpse of Osama.

Typhoon on May 27, 2008 at 9:47 AM

That’s definitely what we need; a dramatic turnaround in the Long War that the MSM can’t ignore and the public will applaud.

The White House has begun to start defending itself publicly, after seven years of taking one lambasting after another without complaint. Too bad it took them so long.

But there is major progress. That’s the whole thing.

By looking at the left wing drivel and hysterical rants from the NY Times editorial board and HuffPo yesterday,it is obvious that democrats are worried that all their proclamations of defeat are going to come back and bite them in their a$$.

After all,if you are going to sell out your country and stab the American Soldier in the back for political gain,you at least want to win those seats and the White House.

It is infuriating to listen to democrats talk about the Iraq war like they had nothing to do with sending our men and women over there and didn’t spend the better part of the 90’s telling the world how dangerous Saddam’s WMDs and ties to al-qaeda were.

Biggest case of amnesia the world has ever seen.

democrats and their hollywood friends are constantly listing the “horrible crimes” committed by the Bush Administration yet they have the power to de-fund the war and impeach, But do neither and their hollywood friends and
activist keep giving them millions of dollars and votes.

Jessica Lange Decries Bush Era of Torture, Prison Camps, and War
By Tim Graham | May 26, 2008 – 13:51 ET
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/05/26/jessica-lange-decries-bush-era-torture-prison-camps-war

Associated Press reports that actress Jessica Lange launched another assault on the Iraq War and the Bush administration on Friday as a speaker at her daughter Hannah Shepard’s commencement from Sarah Lawrence College in Bronxville, New York. “We are living in an America that, in the last seven and a half years, has waged an unnecessary war, established prison camps, condoned torture, employed corporate armies, eliminated the right of habeas corpus, practiced extraordinary rendition, and believe me, this is only a partial list,” Lange said, before she launched into more personal observations about the joy of eating sun-warmed strawberries.
Lange has repeatedly launched public attacks on President Bush as a man who “has no heart,” who runs a “regime of deceit, hypocrisy, and belligerence,” and his tenure has been “an embarrassing time to be an American.”

(via Newsbusters)

You really have to be blinded by your ideology or just ignorant to buy the crap that democrats and their hollywood friends are selling.

Congressman admits Dems “stretched the facts” about stopping the war to get elected
By see-dubya • May 23, 2008 08:47 AM
Headline says it all:
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/23/congressman-admits-dems-stretched-the-facts-about-stopping-the-war-to-get-elected/

As Jeff Emanuel notes, there’s an extra little dollop of condescension to leaven all that honesty:
“Now anybody was a good student of Government,” said Kanjorski, “would know that wasn’t true [that they “could stop the war”].” Fortunately for those Democrats who campaigned, and were elected, based on their war-ending promises, their hardcore supporters, their activists, and their base of voters, are all made up of people who are, by Mr. Kanjorski’s reckoning, very, very poor students of Government.
But all of that was justified to these incumbents and first-time candidates. Taking advantage of poor, uneducated rubes? Abusing trust, and leaving those who offered it stranded along the way? All acceptable — because, again by Mr. Kanjorski’s own description, of “the temptation to want to win back the Congress.”
http://jeffemanuel.net/paul-kanjorski-pa-11-admits-democrats-lied-about-being-able-to-end-war-in-iraq

(via Michelle Malkin)

Harry Reid and the rest of the Brave Sir Robin crew need to
be sent out on their collective butt’s for turning their backs and undermining the very mission they sent our Soldiers off to battle for.

Not that I’m saying we should, but that feeling is taking hold. As bad as it looked a couple years ago, it almost feels like a critical mass towards stability and –gasp– victory is being achieved and building nearly exponentially daily.

I wonder just what the landscape come November might be if Iraq continues on its present course, and sometime over the summer we’re presented with the corpse of Osama.

The Mooreonic Convergence was a major contributor to the damage done. Doing away with Muqtada al-Sadr would have reinforced and exacerbated that damage, and a call to do so was and is a declaration of alliance with Fat Mike and his cohorts.

Regards,
Ric

al-Sadr pere was a genuine hero who stood up to Saddam and the Ba’ath to try to get a modicum of decent treatment for the poor Shi’ia. His elder sons were cut from the same cloth. When they were assassinated by the Saddam regime, only the stupid and feckless Muqtada was left. Think Teddy Kennedy, less about fifteen IQ points.

The Left’s narrative of Iraqi Minute Men and freedom fighters opposing the vile invaders complimented and ennobled the Ba’ath oppressors of Shi’ia, and the poor of Sadr City concluded that this was a case of “meet the new boss, same as the old boss.” The situation was fluid enough for them to do something that they thought might be effective, and they did so, organizing it around the existing network originated by the al-Sadr family. Unfortunately for them, Mookie isn’t half the man his father and brothers were, and a Movement of the resentful led by the semi-moronic didn’t work out. Too bad so many innocents had to be hurt to establish that.

Regards,
Ric