I witnessed the late 50’s and ALL of the 60’s. I can say with some degree of certainty that the natural disasters ARE INDEED increasing in frequency. Dismissing all of this as “bad record keeping back then” is simply disingenuous.

CyberCipher on May 27, 2008 at 10:20 AM

I agree. Beyond war and rumours of war, the climate is changing all over the world. The records show it, not to mention anecdotal evidence such as yours substantiating it. Look, what the scoffers will do is they will say we have better record keeping and this accounts for this tremendous increase in natural disasters, but honestly what else are they gonna tell you? This is the only way they can explain the weather change. It’s sad, they’ll say, “There has been no rise in these disasters!!” all the while ignoring the wordwide indoctrination taking place that says global warming is the cause for this weather change and that man controls the earth’s “eco-system,” not God. Ignorance is bliss; they are having a blizzard, leave them alone.

If you were better Christians, you’d know that the end will come like a thief in the night, unable to be predicted by you two morons based on news reports of a couple natural disasters.

Hollowpoint on May 27, 2008 at 4:14 AM

Typical snide remark (very popular with the scoffers). In the Book of Life, the answers aren’t in the back, Hollowpoint. Let’s go down the list. Tell me. What do you think Matthew 24 is all about?

“But the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.” Daniel 12:10

If you were better Christians, you’d know that the end will come like a thief in the night, unable to be predicted by you two morons based on news reports of a couple natural disasters.

Hollowpoint on May 27, 2008 at 4:14 AM

jgapinoy on May 27, 2008 at 10:06 AM

A relevent passage from Luke chapter 21:

5Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, 6″As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.”

7″Teacher,” they asked, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?”

8He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them. 9When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away.”

10Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.

12″But before all this, they will lay hands on you and persecute you. They will deliver you to synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13This will result in your being witnesses to them. 14But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17All men will hate you because of me. 18But not a hair of your head will perish. 19By standing firm you will gain life.

20″When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

25″There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

29He told them this parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.

32″I tell you the truth, this generation[b] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

34″Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. 35For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”

37Each day Jesus was teaching at the temple, and each evening he went out to spend the night on the hill called the Mount of Olives, 38and all the people came early in the morning to hear him at the temple.

It is true that the end will come like a thief in the night, no one knows the hour or the day, and humans will continue to marry, have children, and all the rest, right up to the day that it happens. It is also true that Jesus warned us about the snake-oil salesmen holding up signs that say “The end is near.” as evidenced in this passage.

However, it would simply be foolish to stick one’s head in the sand and pretend that something unusual is not happening. I witnessed the late 50’s and ALL of the 60’s. I can say with some degree of certainty that the natural disasters ARE INDEED increasing in frequency. Dismissing all of this as “bad record keeping back then” is simply disingenuous.

Hollowpoint

Hey, way to let your emotions guide you rather than the facts! Obama, here’s someone clinging to bitterness rather than religion!
Yes, Jesus said he will come ‘as a thief”, catching us by surprise. but he & the prophets also gave us many signs of the times to look for. “When you see these things, look up, for your redemption draws near!”

Now it makes me wonder, whether tornadoes do follow the terrain, cropping up in certain areas more than others, or if this was just a random act of chance.

SaintOlaf on May 26, 2008 at 5:50 PM
apacalyps on May 26, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Oh bloody hell, can’t you two just rape AP’s iPhone so you can get banned already?

It was a freakin’ tornado. They’ve been occuring for approximately forever.

If you were better Christians, you’d know that the end will come like a thief in the night, unable to be predicted by you two morons based on news reports of a couple natural disasters.

Yes, data reporting is better than it was in 1950, obviously. But an eightfold increase demands more in the way of an explanation.
The link I provided at 10:48PM says that all natural disasters have quadrupled in only the last 20 years.

jgapinoy on May 26, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Sorry jgapinoy, but I don’t buy it. Data collection and interpretation has change considerably in the last 50 years. The US did not start officially collecting tornado data until 1953 and it was 20 years after that that they adopted a standardized system of data collection. Many parts of the world still don’t collect tornado data and if they started doing so the number of reported tornadoes would most likely increase. Any noticeable increase in any natural disaster numbers is directly attributable to improved data collection methods in my view. Also there are certain disasters that would have to be ignored if one is trying to make a strong case that “man made global warming” is causing an increase in natural disasters, such as volcanoes and earthquakes.

Yes, data reporting is better than it was in 1950, obviously. But an eightfold increase demands more in the way of an explanation.
The link I provided at 10:48PM says that all natural disasters have quadrupled in only the last 20 years.

jgapinoy on May 26, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Good job, jgapinoy. Clearly, natural disasters are increasing world-wide.

jerrytbg

Yes, data reporting is better than it was in 1950, obviously. But an eightfold increase demands more in the way of an explanation.
The link I provided at 10:48PM says that all natural disasters have quadrupled in only the last 20 years.

Certainly was an eye opener driving by the houses.

In the link I just gave, they give a couple of natural explanations for the increase in tornadoes. But from 200 to 1600 in 55 years?

jgapinoy on May 26, 2008 at 9:15 PM

Have you ever considered the possibility that data reporting has allowed us to document the increase?

Around 9:30 AM, we had the “code 33″ issued which means to evac to the basements at work. I took my laptop with me – gotta love wireless. That storm passed through my neighborhood with heavy rain, small hail and some wind.

Back in my office, I was watching more storms on the radar – two more storms ripped through the neighborhood as well. Needless to say, I was concerned, but it looked like the worst may have been some wind and rain and small hail. So it was 11 AM, and three storms had already been through – all along an west to east line maybe 10 miles wide.

Shortly after lunch, we had another code 33. I quickly brought up the NWS radar page and there was a bright violet-white circle directly over my house. I said out loud ‘That can’t be good” and went down in the basement again and awaited the all clear.

I got a call from my wife who went home from work after the storm cleared asking me to get home ASAP, which I couldn’t because there was yet another code 33 for which I had to wait until an all clear.

Our Victorian farmhouse had over dozen windows busted out our pickup had window smashed out and had hand sized dents on every body panel except the tailgate. Windows were knocked out of the machine shed, the machine shed’s roof held, but was dented. The ground was dimpled from the baseball sized hail. The roof of the garage and the house, both less than three years old were totalled. The (plastic) gutter on the garage was shattered, much of the metal gutter on the house was gashed and dented. Some of the siding of the house was knocked off. The LP gas line to the house even had a dent in it. Last, a large tree was broken off.

We had very good insurance coverage which covered nearly all of the damage. Those dimples in the ground were proof to the adjuster that the hail was indeed baseball sized. It took about a year before things were back to normal. Total damage was around $35,000.

Our neighbors all lost roofs and windows, crops were damaged most places and totalled in some other places due to getting flattened by wind. Two of the houses were less than a year old. This was considered by weather folks and adjusters to have been a 100-year storm, but no tornado.

I know how much grief, frustration and work it was getting my house fixed and some of the pain experienced by my neighbors whose insurance wasn’t as good as ours, but I can’t even to begin to imagine the pain of those whose homes were completely destroyed and had lost family and friends.

The pictures from Hugo and Iowa are devastating.

lorien1973

Yes, I referenced that, but an eightfold increase from 1950 to 2005?

In the link I just gave, they give a couple of natural explanations for the increase in tornadoes. But from 200 to 1600 in 55 years?

jgapinoy on May 26, 2008 at 9:15 PM

More being reported because more people live there. Better technology to detect them etc etc etc. Occam’s Razor, please.

ck back to the other thread.

jgapinoy: The first graph speaks for its self,wow!

Anybody got NUMBERS?

Yes.

Nothing controversial about it at all. It’s pretty simple in fact. The closer we get to Jesus’ return, earthquakes and other disturbances on the earth will continue to grow in frequency and intensity. They will increase in frequency. Now go check the records being broken regarding the weather the last few decades.

apacalyps on May 26, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Anybody got NUMBERS? Statistics. Weather data. Numbers do not lie. I don’t have the numbers. So I can’t say for certain, but…

My collie says:

CC, you are as jittery as a feral feline trapped in the city dog pound.

And it’s NOT the Starbuck’s coffee, either.

A tornado swept through Laramie, Wyoming this past week. My brother (who lives there) said that it damaged the junior high school (a block from his house), and picked up a steel-truss church steeple at the church he attends and tossed it to the opposite end of the parking lot.

People! We’re talking about Laramie, Wyoming here. 7200+ feet in elevation. The interstate highway 5 miles out of town is 8200+ feet in elevation. Tornados just DON’T happen there. The last tornado to do significant damage in Wyoming was in Cheyenne something like 20 years ago — and even though Cheyenne is 6000+ feet in elevation, it is on the plains of Nebraska (for all practical purposes).

I’m tellin’ you, something “X-Files”-ish is going on here.

My collie says:

It’s making my hair stand on end.

Where are Mulder and Scully when ya’ NEED ‘em?

We had really weird clouds,someone took pictures abd
posted it on our cities website.

Scroll down to View photo gallery at the bottom of the
article,does anybody have any thoughts of these clouds?

http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=32302