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Celebrity has-been: Maybe the earthquake in China was karmic payback for Tibet

posted at 12:00 pm on May 26, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The seventh-most viewed clip on all of YouTube today, doubtless on its way to greater heights as Chinese nationalists circulate it for propaganda purposes. In fairness, she does climb down a bit from her vindictive spin in holding up Tibetans’ reaction to the quake as a model, but even so, I always find these lefty variations on Falwellian cause and effect morbidly fascinating. You’ll find them in spades in comment sections whenever misfortune befalls a conservative, although naturally they’re never couched in anything as retrograde as divine retribution. It’s always something New Age-ier and more “open-minded,” like karma or, in the case of special dimwits, some hazy mind/body connection by which malignant acts “invite” malignant tumors. (There are, of course, more sophisticated versions.) How sad that not even The Enlightened are immune from superstition.


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Sharon Stone? I don’t even know or care.

bigbeas on May 26, 2008 at 12:04 PM

That’s funny, the lefties never cared about the sins of Red China before, they used to shoot opium-heads, etc, but now that they’re turning Capitalist … hhhmmmmmmm.

Tony737 on May 26, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Sorry I don’t know her, Sharon Stone? what a ding bat

Gwillie on May 26, 2008 at 12:04 PM

And here I thought it was payback for the cheap, lead-filled products.

/

JammieWearingFool on May 26, 2008 at 12:05 PM

Ed. You have such a low opinion of us. We’re not celebrity obsessed.

I only know who she is because I’m old.

JiangxiDad on May 26, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Ouch. Didn’t she run for Miss North Carolina? She almost has the vocabulary of a 5th grader. She’s gotta work on that.

Coronagold on May 26, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Deluded, vacuous, self-absorbed…

the Dalai Lama, who’s a good friend of mine…dontcha know!

Maximum Moose on May 26, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Thank God she’s not a preacher/reverend/firebreathing evangelist! A candidate somewhere would have to disown her.

tree hugging sister on May 26, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Good grief… a load of celebs bloviating and nobody blamed Bush! What the hell is the world coming to? Surely, not its senses?!

drunyan8315 on May 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM

My wife has control over karma at the moment. If I do something to annoy her purposely or give her a wise-crack comment, I will stub my toe, bang my head, have a beer explode on me, drop food on a white shirt, etc… within 90 seconds.

It’s freaking terrifying.

reaganaut on May 26, 2008 at 12:11 PM

She did get the point of doing good to your enemies though.

I thought that was the point actually, that she was saying she was very judgmental and then came to realize that it’s better to help.

Spirit of 1776 on May 26, 2008 at 12:12 PM

She should be more concerned about not showing her vagina on the screen. Maybe that was a Bush endorsement?

Wade on May 26, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Obligatory CS Lewis (or was it Chesterton? I always forget):
Danger in the loss of faith in God is not that people will believe in nothing; it’s that they’ll believe in anything.

See above (so to speak).

SteveMG on May 26, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Let`s hope that when she`s in her 80`s or 90`s she`s not hiking up her dress for attention : “Hey, `member this?”

ThePrez on May 26, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Her voice sounds like Tammy Bruce.

AprilOrit on May 26, 2008 at 12:16 PM

It was a karmic payback for cat death camps.

Sokrovenno on May 26, 2008 at 12:17 PM

So what did we all do to deserve her? Good lord.

SouthernGent on May 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM

It was a karmic payback for cat death camps.

And cat death camps are wrong exactly how?

Explain.

SteveMG on May 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM

April! How dare you insult Tammy Bruce like that? :-)

Tony737 on May 26, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Oh, I get it.
Saying it is “Karma Payback” is good.
Saying it is “The wrath of a Christian God” is bad.

RobCon on May 26, 2008 at 12:20 PM

SteveMG on May 26, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Appropriate. Am reading Orthodoxy for the first time. Full of useful quotes. Although when I found out Chesterton wrote it at age 34, I wondered what I could learn from the young whippersnapper.

JiangxiDad on May 26, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Time out.

We’re listening to moral instruction from someone who is famous for showing her cooter in a movie.

Okay, perhaps it was a stunt cooter. My point still applies.

SteveMG on May 26, 2008 at 12:20 PM

My wife has control over karma at the moment. If I do something to annoy her purposely or give her a wise-crack comment, I will stub my toe, bang my head, have a beer explode on me, drop food on a white shirt, etc… within 90 seconds.

It’s freaking terrifying.

reaganaut on May 26, 2008 at 12:11 PM

I can express my situation by using only 5 words from your quote:

My wife.

Its freaking terrifying.

Syd B. on May 26, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Okay, perhaps it was a stunt cooter. My point still applies.

SteveMG on May 26, 2008 at 12:20 PM

C.S. Lewis or Chesterton?

JiangxiDad on May 26, 2008 at 12:23 PM

What a morahn. She’s so dumb I had to say it in Southern. Sharon Stone and celebs like her get paid to feel, not think. Which is why so many of them are such big libs.

thekingtut on May 26, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Okay, perhaps it was a stunt cooter

So, there’s 30,200 hits for the words “stunt cooter”

And here I thought I had made a breakthrough in the English language.

SteveMG on May 26, 2008 at 12:24 PM

C.S. Lewis or Chesterton?

Screwtape Letters, pg. 320.

SteveMG on May 26, 2008 at 12:25 PM

I felt myself losing IQ points the longer I listened to her!

alacrityfitzhugh on May 26, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Maybe we should invent some new phrases like, “As stupid as an actor.”

indythinker on May 26, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Yes Ms. Stone,

65,000 people, probably mostly poor and never involved in government affairs, died because the Chinese government claims rights over Tibet.

That makes sense.

Maybe its karma that this clip will be seen by more people than your last three films combined.

Vincenzo on May 26, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Regarding AP’s “Falwellian” reference, there is no way to know (unless God tells you) whether a natural disaster is a specific punishment on those hurt by it. But the Bible is clear that mankind’s sin is the ultimate cause–the only cause–for all suffering.
What about the righteous who suffer much & the wicked who suffer little?
This life of troubles–even if you live to be 120 years old–is a drop in the ocean compared to the eternal bliss that awaits those who love God. Judgement Day is when righteousness will be generously rewarded, & evil will be fully punished.

jgapinoy on May 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Screwtape Letters, pg. 320.

SteveMG on May 26, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Never read that. Will.

JiangxiDad on May 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Sharon Stone? I thought she died from “crotchal” exposure.

cat-scratch on May 26, 2008 at 12:31 PM

And cat death camps are wrong exactly how?

I suppose the Cat Holocaust is bad for karma.

Sokrovenno on May 26, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Maybe its karma that this clip will be seen by more people than your last three films combined. Vinny

OUCH! SLAM! Off the top rope!

Tony737 on May 26, 2008 at 12:33 PM

jgapinoy on May 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM

How very convenient an explanation.

Alex_SF on May 26, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Eh. She admitted that her first thought was closed-minded and ugly, and that she was wrong.

(Some of you might try that, someday.)

Tanya on May 26, 2008 at 12:37 PM

I am sure that somewhere, on some uncharted tropical island located out in the vast unexplored reaches of the Pacific, there are actually five or six individuals who make up the sum total of people in the world who actually give a damn what some overpaid airhead like Sharon Stone has to say about anything.

As for the rest of us?

Forget about it!

pilamaye on May 26, 2008 at 12:37 PM

But the Bible is clear that mankind’s sin is the ultimate cause–the only cause–for all suffering.

jgapinoy on May 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Finally, somebody agrees with Stone.

JiangxiDad on May 26, 2008 at 12:38 PM

Alex_SF

Thank you. Convenient & true.

jgapinoy on May 26, 2008 at 12:38 PM

Can someone please tell what makes the Dalai Lama so special? Besides being Sharon’s good friend, what exactly has he done for his people, or just in general? Anyone?

redzap on May 26, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Vincenzo on May 26, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Snap!

WisCon on May 26, 2008 at 12:43 PM

redzap on May 26, 2008 at 12:39 PM

He seems brave and has faced great evil in his life. He is not bitter. He does not seem to have done any harm. He outlasted the commies, and will probably live to see some self-rule return to his land. He associates himself with Hollywood liberals, but doesn’t strike me as one of them. Off the top of my head, I kinda like and respect him, and wish him well.

JiangxiDad on May 26, 2008 at 12:43 PM

She should have stuck to crossing and uncrossing her legs in Basic Instinct. It’s been all down hill from there. Some claim to fame…

voiceofreason on May 26, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Even her you-know-what was not that attractive and I sure as heck like those things.

TexasDude on May 26, 2008 at 12:49 PM

Who’s Cheryl Stone?

jaime on May 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM

TexasDude on May 26, 2008 at 12:49 PM

LOL, me too…

voiceofreason on May 26, 2008 at 12:51 PM

That’s funny, the lefties never cared about the sins of Red China before, they used to shoot opium-heads

Tony737 on May 26, 2008 at 12:04 PM

…and they killed a bunch of Christians and force abortions and deny freedom of speech, assembly & religion, etc…

But mess with some lama and Karma is commin’ to getcha. Those animal rights activists are just nutty sometimes, aren’t they?

BTW, Hollywood also also overlooks (and even celebrates) the sins of Cuba, Venesuela, etc… It just goes to show you how much of what passes for thought in Hollywood is simply going along with the current fashion, the “herd mind” as it were.

29Victor on May 26, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Nice dress.

Johan Klaus on May 26, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Wow… She should stick to flashing her crotch for paparazzi. Most celebrities draw the bile to the back of my throat. They think that because they watch Judge Judy they are qualified to to give legal advise or because they played a doctor in a movie, that somehow they can perform left-handed underwater brain surgery.

I find her especially vile.

Claypigeon on May 26, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Excuse me bimbo, but the Chinese were not very nice long before you met the Dali Lama (who is a good friend of yours). I am sure your friends with lots of rich and famous guys.

RobCon on May 26, 2008 at 12:56 PM

The Pope (who is a good friend of mine) said that the collapse of Sharon Stone’s career was divine justice for flashing her hootchie at Newman.

29Victor on May 26, 2008 at 1:00 PM

“I always find these lefty variations on Falwellian Ayatollahian cause and effect morbidly fascinating.’

Fixed that for ya.

locomotivebreath1901 on May 26, 2008 at 1:03 PM

the collapse of Sharon Stone’s career was divine justice for flashing her hootchie at Newman.

Now there’s a sentence you don’t see every day.

SteveMG on May 26, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Now there’s a sentence you don’t see every day.

SteveMG on May 26, 2008 at 1:04 PM

You’re right “hootchie” shold be “koochie.”

29Victor on May 26, 2008 at 1:09 PM

What’s really ironic is that Sharon Stone herself is a good example of karma at work!

Texas Gal on May 26, 2008 at 1:10 PM

Maybe its karma that this clip will be seen by more people than your last three films combined.

Vincenzo on May 26, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Heh. With Tanya as my moral guide, I will try to do this the right way.

My first thought was – Sharon, the Cheetah Men’s Erotic Entertainment club in Atlanta called; they want their dress back. But that was ugly and closed-minded.

And so I tried to remove emotion and approach this academically, and so I listened carefully to the cute Chinese news girl, trying to decipher the Chinese words for “old, coked up skank”, but either they’re are more polite than me, or I missed it.

And then I read this –

I am sure you’re “friends” with lots of rich and famous guys.

RobCon on May 26, 2008 at 12:56 PM

- and I (laughed until I) cried.

Jaibones on May 26, 2008 at 1:12 PM

they’re are = nice

Jaibones on May 26, 2008 at 1:13 PM

Another great example of a line reader who thinks she has something important to say.

Cicero43 on May 26, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Blathering from someone only claim to fame is showing her punanee to million of people.

jukin on May 26, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Voted against amendment to provide funding for additional Border Patrol agents in 2005
Sen. Obama voted against the Ensign Amendment (SA 1219) to H.R. 2360, the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations bill. The Ensign Amendment transfers appropriated funds from the Office of State and Local Government Coordination and Preparedness to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection for the purpose of hiring 1,000 additional Border Patrol agents. The amendment failed by a vote of 38 to 60.

DfDeportation on May 26, 2008 at 1:21 PM

In Communist China, some people are still MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS!!!

DfDeportation on May 26, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Another great example of a line reader who thinks she has something important to say.

Cicero43 on May 26, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Not fair. There is so much more to it than just reading lines. For example, sometimes you have to uncross your legs and show off your cooter.

Jaibones on May 26, 2008 at 1:58 PM

My Name is Earl Sharon Stone

I would call her a bone head, but that’s petrified wood between her ears.

Kini on May 26, 2008 at 2:01 PM

LAUGH. MY. ASS. OFF.

“Not being nice…”

Never have I heard a better spoken or more truly lucent answer to the vexing & rather annoying issue of our own relations and perceived negative impression with the rest of the world. We need to be nicer to people.

Estoopid.

ChipDWood on May 26, 2008 at 2:10 PM

in defense of a woman I would normally not defend… Karma is a buddhist belief, and when speaking of a government engaged specifically with the buddhist people, I think that it’s more than fair game…

what’s more, she said she was asked in a letter to publicize that they are going to help in relief efforts, goes straight to buddhist teaching and is also relevant.

what’s more, the entire speech is a classic example of the buddhist story that teaches a moral lesson, in which the teller usually uses themselves as the bad person…

what’s more, this is a controversial thing to say, so she is doing exactly what she said she would do and publicizing the relief effort in a big way.

so from me? I say “you go girl…”

—————
at a time when to world is aching with sympathy for the Chinese people, remember they bring this on themselves… their politically corrupt government is responsible for all those inferior buildings with enormously over crowed capacities… the people of China stand by idly while their government does all the things it does, which are too numerous to even list here. the truth of the matter is that china could care less about 50,000 80,000 or even 100,000 people, it’s a drop in the bucket of their population… what they care about is public opinion about officials after the crisis, they know via the “Red Revolution” what can happen when a people turns on it’s own government. they would run over them like ants on the tiger… so the true responsibility for this disaster is the people of china themselves. although I’m sure the victims themselves are very unwitting participants…

Sun Tzu said…

“when your enemy is weak, attack him. when your enemy is strong bait him. only then you will have the dao.”

Kaptain Amerika on May 26, 2008 at 2:10 PM

I just lost a lot of respect for the Dahli Lama for having such a friend. Woops – that probably wasn’t being very…nice. She doesn’t like that.

ApartforHaShem on May 26, 2008 at 2:16 PM

if people didn’t get “mad” at events as much as they were planned by other people to get “mad” at events? I think they wouldn’t be half as “mad”…

Kaptain Amerika on May 26, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Even her you-know-what was not that attractive and I sure as heck like those things.

TexasDude on May 26, 2008 at 12:49 PM

I don’t know, I find her kinda cute ….all over.

easy on May 26, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Oh right. So Sharon Stone, are the Iowa tornadoes karma for an American ditz making stupid remarks?

Moron.

sloopy on May 26, 2008 at 2:56 PM

It figures that Sharon Stone would be stupid enough to believe there is a LAW with no Law Giver.

One of the many,many fatal flaws of buddhism/false eastern religions.

Like most of the other unrighteous,egomaniacal hollywood actors…she believes that she possesses profound spiritual knowledge while she sins by committing premarital sex and performing in pornography movies!

Thankfully most here are able to see through their hypocrisy …but unfortunately, many people are not so savvy and highly esteem these unclean false prophets.

SaintOlaf on May 26, 2008 at 3:03 PM

we need to file this idiotic comment with those of the right wing religious zealots who are eaten up and scared to death of gays and claiming natural disasters as a way to stop their hellish ways.

Monkei on May 26, 2008 at 3:13 PM

No, Sharon, you don’t understand karma.

Karma is when an aging, dumber-than-dirt hack actress, who’s entire career was built on a sordid beaver shot, embarrasses herself with vapid commentary chock full of scintillating insights like “people should be nice to each other.”

Potfry on May 26, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Allah how about balancing your reports with videos Toby Keith or Ted Nugent or Gary Sinise and the endless number of good American celebrities who go to Iraq and Afghanistan to entertain and embrace our soldiers?

We all know these useless POS stand here in the safety and comfort of their Beverly Hills neighborhoods making anti American statements. We who read your stuff do not need be reminded.

Take their oxygen away… stop providing them with free press.

bloviator on May 26, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Sharon Stoned.

NNtrancer on May 26, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Guess what Sharon..it’s not because the atheist chinese have persecuted the buddhists that china is receiving God’s righteous judgment…but it is because the chinese ARE buddhists and atheists that they are judged.

These “natural” disasters,which are happening in a ever increasing frquency, are called birth pangs.

They are signs of the coming widespread tribulation that the world is about to face.

Here’s a bombshell for you monkey:

America is about to be completely destroyed.

America will be the first one destroyed…whether it is through half a dozen or so jihadi suitcase nukes in port cities or an all out russian nuclear assault..i don’t know.

But America is about to step out of it’s position as the world’s strongest super power.

America has been given much as the world’s largest Christian nation and yet it has turned it’s back on God and chooses to live in unrighteousness instead.

Yes America will be judged and ironically enough sharon stone is a influence and contributer to the reason why.

SaintOlaf on May 26, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Wow… She should stick to flashing her crotch for paparazzi.

No. Seriously, she shouldn’t.

foxforce91 on May 26, 2008 at 3:54 PM

The Chinese are being “unkind” to the Tibetans. They are not being “nice” to the Dalai Lama.

They will go down in history with the Manson family (who were not nice to Sharon Tate) and Pol Pot (very unkind to his own people),as well as the situation in Darfur (although while most of the world seems to feel they have been very unkind, the Sudanese government insists they’ve only been a little not nice).

Hitler? Hitler was very, very not nice. He and Himmler and Goebbels should have had a “time out.”

Hollywood speak at its worst. Even when they’re being the teensiest bit judgmental, they can’t bring themselves to use anything stronger than not nice.

Or Stone is just very not smart. Buy a dictionary, why don’t ya?

NoSquids on May 26, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Your whisker biscuit is past it’s expiration date.

TBinSTL on May 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM

her open legs can’t even open a movie..

yet people will let her open her other trap and let her spew out anything she wants..

I remember her criticizing the christian right after ‘Basic Instinct 2′ tanked at the theater.. (remember that one?) saying that America is too uptight for movies like that..

1). Movie had horrible, HORRIBLE reviews,.

2). Why spend about twenty or so bucks at a theater to view what the movie is about at home for pretty much free.. with no pesky plot in the way either..

has been who’s only famous cause she flashed her beave..

S.T.F.U. sharon stone..

DaveC on May 26, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Finally. I’ve been holding back saying anything until I heard Sharon Stone’s opinion.

oakpack on May 26, 2008 at 4:57 PM

God hates people who live near active fault lines, subduction zones especially.

Beagle on May 26, 2008 at 5:08 PM

You have all witnessed, in the video clip, a perfect example of how the ramblings of a fool can be put in the context of international importance, and stirred up to to take the spot light off of the real problem of the victims of the earthquake, the sub standard building codes that caused so much destruction and death, and that the epicenter of the earthquake was in China’s Nuclear District…

Now I know where our MSM gets it’s training from…. by the way, ……….love the music.

Seven Percent Solution on May 26, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Whose side is God on?

Lonetown on May 26, 2008 at 5:57 PM

Does anyone else read HA posts and you know who wrote them without looking?

TheBlueSite on May 26, 2008 at 6:20 PM

By the way- why are people so wrapped up in how the Tibetans are treated? What about the Chinese themselves? I’m sure most of these people are concerned about both groups, but it seems silly to concentrate on one when the other is in no better shape in the end.

TheBlueSite on May 26, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Does anyone else read HA posts and you know who wrote them without looking? – TheBlueSite

Yeah, there are a few regulars whose comments I can pick out as Im reading before I scroll down to the name. (On the wifey’s laptop it’s horizontal and I can already see it, but on my cellphone it’s more verticle and the name it not immediately visable).

Tony737 on May 26, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Does that mean we need to get a more well-rounded social life? (lol)

TheBlueSite on May 26, 2008 at 6:36 PM

To note- I was speaking of both the posts and the comments. The posts I can almost always tell, the comments I can tell here and there, but I CAN tell.

TheBlueSite on May 26, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Hey, Sharon… is gravity karma for becoming an old wrinkled up self-serving celebutwit?

MsUnderestimated on May 26, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Just imagine how the old media would handle that if Mel Gibson had said it. Geez…! those Libs irk me.

Rugged Individual on May 26, 2008 at 7:33 PM

If you’re one of the jillions of Hindus and Buddhists who believe in Karma, it makes sense. There must be a lot of Chinese who were reborn as insects, turtles and noodles cooks and dishwashers forced to pay all of their wages and then some into Comrade Madame Hillary’s election coffers. What ever happened to Winkle Paw anyway??

GeneSmith on May 26, 2008 at 8:54 PM

It’s a strange marriage between Hollywood liberals and conservative Christians on the subject of China–most from both have not even been to China or Tibet for more than a 2 week tour and formulate their opinions from one side of the argument with no understanding of the history or culture. The Chicoms have their propaganda, but so do we.

p40tiger on May 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM

p40tiger on May 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM

I prefere the P-38. It is too hard to see out of those tail draggers, and if you have an engine failure…..

Johan Klaus on May 26, 2008 at 11:52 PM

Hey, Sharon… is gravity karma for becoming an old wrinkled up self-serving celebutwit?

MsUnderestimated on May 26, 2008 at 6:50 PM

not unless she knows a good plastic surgeon…

but then, she might end up like Priscella Presley and have a ‘botox’ party and the dude be some con man and inject industrial lubricant into her cheeks..

DaveC on May 27, 2008 at 8:19 AM

“The Dali is a good friend of mine”, that all he is to her, just a prop.
And I guess the tornadoes in the Mid-West is Karma…being stuck with Gore as your spokesperson is Karma…hiv is Karma…starving in Africa is Karma…high unemployment among blacks in America, Karma…
She is a regular voo-doo priestess.

right2bright on May 27, 2008 at 9:01 AM

Screwtape Letters, pg. 320.

SteveMG on May 26, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Never read that. Will.

JiangxiDad on May 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM

I listened to it this weekend. It was marvelous. Run, don’t walk, etc.

RushBaby on May 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Sharon,Sharon . . . shut up!

rplat on May 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Spirit of 1776 on May 26, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Tanya on May 26, 2008 at 12:37 PM

I agree with both of you. She seems to be saying that her initial reaction was to think this was justice but that the letter she received was like a rebuke in that it set her straight.

I’m not a huge fan of her (I don’t hate her either), but I think people are getting upset over nothing.

Another great example of a line reader who thinks she has something important to say.

Cicero43 on May 26, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Maybe she does think that, but it’s irrelevant what she thinks about her opinion. The fact is that she was asked her opinion. She didn’t grab a bullhorn to tell the world she thought of karma when she first heard the news, a microphone was put in her faced.

The people who think her opinion is important are reporters and people like us who care to listen.

Esthier on May 27, 2008 at 10:52 AM

“They asked me to write a quote about that…”
“so I asked my PR person to scribble some of my standard claptrap…”

max1 on May 27, 2008 at 10:57 AM

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