Video: Chris Wallace rips Hillary’s “non-apology apology”

posted at 12:10 pm on May 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Chris Wallace interviewed Hillary Clinton spokesperson Terry McAuliffe on Fox News Sunday to ask about the now-infamous reference to Robert Kennedy’s assassination as an explanation for her remaining in the primary race. McAuliffe tries trotting out the “I’m sorry if anyone took offense” apology, which Wallace criticizes as a typical Washington ploy:

Ever since Hillary began walking back her comments to the Argus Leader, I was struck by her lack of apology to the Obamas. She has deliberately focused her regrets, such as they are, onto the Kennedys instead. That seems like a provocation towards Barack Obama, daring him to take public offense to it instead of the figurative shrug he has thus far displayed.

And as Wallace notes, the apology has not exactly been complete. Hillary takes the Dick Durbin approach, offering regrets if anyone took offense to her remarks. McAuliffe repeats this several times during the interview, allowing Wallace to confirm that Hillary doesn’t think she said anything wrong. It’s all about the timeline, McAuliffe insists, and nothing else.

Perhaps, but Wallace gets closer to the national reaction when he calls the remarks “tasteless and ghoulish”. Hillary apparently thinks she can brazen her way out of the corner into which she painted herself. Perhaps she can, but she’s more likely to further damage the Clinton brand in the Democratic Party. Even if everyone agrees that she doesn’t hope Obama gets assassinated, the Clintons are supposed to be a lot more politically adept than to leave that impression. If this is the best they can do, the Democrats will have little use for them in the future.


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Hope HilBil exact some righteous judgement on the Dems.

JiangxiDad on May 25, 2008 at 12:13 PM

the Clintons are supposed to be a lot more politically adept than to leave that impression

Anybody can be politically adept when the media is in the tank for you. You are seeing what happens when they change tanks.

TheBigOldDog on May 25, 2008 at 12:26 PM

And then afterward the panel agreed that this is completely overblown by the media, with Juan added some smart commentary on the underlying tension vis a vis assasination.

Spirit of 1776 on May 25, 2008 at 12:37 PM

Paper Tigers

SouthernGent on May 25, 2008 at 12:38 PM

This really is the media trying to find something to be ‘outraged’ about. Clinton was just saying that anything could happen – as it has. It’s like shock that a life insurance agent might suggest that a parent might die before their children go to college (how DARE they!). Back then, everybody expected Kennedy to be the next president like Obama. Everyone was shocked when something happened to him for no apparent reason. The D party needed someone other than Kennedy after his assassination.

Wallace is still mad at Bill calling him out during their interview. Media people are the most thin skinned and vengeful of all Americans (might I add self-important). Clinton meant that anything could happen and that is why she isn’t quitting. I would argue that if Obama was assassinated like Kennedy was before the election Hillary would be named the nominee even if she did quit.

But this ‘controversy’ is a result of people’s hatred for Clinton, the media’s love for Obama, the 24 hour news cycle, and the media creating controversy for ratings. Didn’t she basically say the same thing that 50 cent said (and many other people in the black community)? Hillary didn’t do anything wrong requiring an apology.

ThackerAgency on May 25, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Yeah, much to do about nothing. And no one seems to have their bvds in a twist over Gore Vidal making comments about Obama getting shot.

Blake on May 25, 2008 at 12:45 PM

I watched the interview this morning. I didn’t appreciate Terry McAulife dragging out that tired refrain about Bush stealing the election. Its the democrats that try to steal elections.

2theright on May 25, 2008 at 12:49 PM

And why does Obama need taxpayer funded Secret Service detail if it isn’t an issue at all?

ThackerAgency on May 25, 2008 at 12:50 PM

When JFK was assassinated, the entire city of Dallas in general, and conservatives in the state of Texas in particular, were stigmatized for a generation by the left as having been “complicit” in his death, in no small part by the full page “Welcome to Dallas” ad some of the city’s conservative leaders placed in the Dallas Morning News. Never mind what the facts or who the gunman turned out to be, their desire to make sure the “right” people were the villains spawned the JFK conspiracy theory business that was the precursor for the 9/11 Truthers.

Hillary really doesn’t seem to comprehend what sort of fire she’s playing with here by making remarks like this, if something was to happen to Obama. And, as with Oswald’s communist ties, it wouldn’t matter what the perp’s background was, the meme from the left would be molded to tie whatever happened to their enemies (including, of course, all conservative Republicans), and Mrs. Clinton just put a big “kick me” sign over her hard-to-miss rear.

jon1979 on May 25, 2008 at 12:50 PM

2theright on May 25, 2008 at 12:49 PM

It’s called projection.

lorien1973 on May 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Perhaps, but Wallace gets closer to the national reaction when he calls the remarks “tasteless and ghoulish”.

What “national reaction”? I’ve looked for polls on the comments but couldn’t find any. If there really was one it’s just more evidence that America has joined the rest of the western world in the club of the perpetually offended liberal ****ies.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 1:02 PM

ThackerAgency on May 25, 2008 at 12:50 PM

Because he’s black and a racist Republican may cap him one in the head.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 1:03 PM

I take that back, I did find a poll:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×6097320

What do you know, the Democratic Underground members and hotair members do have something in common after all!

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 1:05 PM

“Wallace is still mad at Bill calling him out during their interview. Media people are the most thin skinned and vengeful of all Americans (might I add self-important)”

You are one delusional party hack. Wallace bitch slapped Bill along with his blue dress scraggily pointing finger on the wonderful day in question. The put down by Wallace was so good they assumed it was a set up.

As to Hillary this is the most beautiful karma ever visited on a political shrew in modern times—eaten by her own piranhas. How sweet is that. The anointed one brought low by a possibly innocent remark. Perfect justice for the grifter pair that polished and embellished the politics of personal destruction, skinned alive on TV and editorial pages by the new vast left wing conspiracy. A dream and a miracle I thought not possible in my lifetime. Ah, but you were all warned many years ago about their substance.

I have often said since Nov 04 that I would believe the Clinton’s were politically dead only when I see a stake driven through their hearts, one atop the other, legs flailing, blood spurting and the sun coming up to blow their dust in all directions. I just wish the sun would hurry up.

With apologies to Bela of course. He was honest about it.

patrick neid on May 25, 2008 at 1:16 PM

has anyone seen Obama’s cat lately?

custer on May 25, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Let’s suppose Mrs. Clinton was totally innocent of the assassination gaffe.

Well then, she owes us an apology for basing this recurring meme about June primaries on a seriously flawed premise.

Mrs. Clinton’s uses the month of June as a reference-point to make a calendar comparison of 1968 and 1992 to this year, so that simple folk would be led to conclude that it is quite unremarkable for a losing candidate to stay in the running through June in any year. But the primary seasons in 1968 and 1992 began in March of their respective years, while this year the primaries began in January. That’s not a minor detail.

Some, like RFK Junior, claim that taken in context, Mrs. Clinton was making a valid statement. I disagree.

jeff_from_mpls on May 25, 2008 at 1:17 PM

She said something stupid, in her position in the race.

Only the front runner is allowed to mention the “assassination” word.

Then it shows bravado.

From anyone else in the trailing pack (now just Hillary and Ron “Age of Sail” Paul), it looks like a bit of subconscious resentment (AKA a murky id wish).

profitsbeard on May 25, 2008 at 1:18 PM

But the primary seasons in 1968 and 1992 began in March of their respective years, while this year the primaries began in January. That’s not a minor detail.

Some, like RFK Junior, claim that taken in context, Mrs. Clinton was making a valid statement. I disagree.

jeff_from_mpls on May 25, 2008 at 1:17 PM

Makes no difference when it started. They want her out so they have more time waging war against us. I want her to stay for the opposite reason.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 1:19 PM

What do you know, the Democratic Underground members and hotair members do have something in common after all!

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Your whining is getting old.

It was a stupid comment for Hillary to make. She’s being nailed on it. End of story.

Esthier on May 25, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Terry Mac is remarkable. I don’t care for his politics but damn! He’s harder to pin down than a greased pig. Now HRC, she’s just weird.

ronsfi on May 25, 2008 at 1:27 PM

She can’t talk about a real assasination of a Dem Pres
candidate. . . . But the left can get away with a movie of GW being assainated for the war.

A$$holes

Texyank on May 25, 2008 at 1:27 PM

That seems like a provocation towards Barack Obama, daring him to take public offense to it instead of the figurative shrug he has thus far displayed.

There’s no reason for Obama to respond at this time. But if Hillary was still hoping for a shot at VP, she can kiss that goodby.

logis on May 25, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Chris Wallace is spot on. When I first read about this yesterday, I was even going to give Hill-Rod a bit of a pass, thinking she couldn’t have possibly meant it to come out like that.

But just by using the word “assassination”, she majorly gaffed.

She’s politically seasoned. No excuse for it.

JetBoy on May 25, 2008 at 1:36 PM

jeff_from_mpls on May 25, 2008 at 1:17 PM

People are not necessarily worried about the LENGTH of the primary, but the fact that it’s not resolved yet. She was simply stating there is precedent of the candidate not being decided until June.

This whole thing is ridiculously overblown.

Tom_Shipley on May 25, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Chris Wallace’s commentery is fine. Michael Goodwin’s is better.

ICK. Disgusting. And yet revealing. Hillary Clinton is staying in the race in the event some nut kills Barack Obama.

It could happen, but what definitely has happened is that Clinton has killed her own chances of being vice president. She doesn’t deserve to be elected dog catcher anywhere now.

Her shocking comment to a South Dakota newspaper might qualify as the dumbest thing ever said in American politics.

Her lame explanation that she brought up the 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy because his brother Ted’s illness was on her mind doesn’t cut it. Not even close.

We have seen an X-ray of a very dark soul. One consumed by raw ambition to where the possible assassination of an opponent is something to ponder in a strategic way. Otherwise, why is murder on her mind?

It’s like Tanya Harding’s kneecapping has come to politics. Only the senator from New York has more lethal fantasies than that nutty skater.
- Michael Goodwin

MB4 on May 25, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Even if everyone agrees that she doesn’t hope Obama gets assassinated

Not everyone agrees.

MB4 on May 25, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Your whining is getting old. It was a stupid comment for Hillary to make. She’s being nailed on it. End of story.

Esthier on May 25, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Don’t play stupid (or maybe you are, who knows?), her stupid comment or her being nailed on it isn’t the issue, it’s the conspiracy theories that are.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Don’t play stupid (or maybe you are, who knows?), her stupid comment or her being nailed on it isn’t the issue, it’s the conspiracy theories that are.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 1:44 PM

If I may…curiosity got the best of me. Exactly how did “conspiracy theories” come into play? All I see is Hillary using an extremely poor choice of words. I’m certainly no fan of either Obama or Clinton, but “conspiracy theories”?

JetBoy on May 25, 2008 at 1:50 PM

“I’m staying in the race because, you never know when somebody might get, uhmm, “*assassinated*” … as I recall, RFK didn’t live to see the end of June … and neither did MLK, now that you mention it … I guess that just goes to show you never really know what crazy things might happen to your opposition candidate before the convention…”
According to some of my co-workers, this interpretation of Hillary’s quote + the so-called Clinton Body Count = a quasi-threat to Obama’s life.

However, after hearing Hillary’s actual remarks, I’m not so sure this is really the correct interpretation.

RD on May 25, 2008 at 1:52 PM

And what if some nutjob assassinate Hussein?

I think it was smart of Hillary to bring this up.

It’s the “audacity of hope” on her part.

After all, the Democratic Party is the Party of race division.

And a lot of those Liberals wouldn’t like to see a Black Muslim in the White House.

I think West Virginia is just a sample.

Indy Conservative on May 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM

“Tasteless and ghoulish”? I fail to see anything wrong with what she said. What she said was accurate. If she’s desperate, may have something to do with the fact that the Democrat Party Primary system is so bleeped up, she would otherwise be the nominee. Why shouldn’t she wait it out until the convention? Here’s why: Left wing media says she shouldn’t. Now, Chris Wallace makes himself part of that absurd narrative.

AYNBLAND on May 25, 2008 at 2:05 PM

I’ll make it clear up front. Hillary ain’t getting my general election vote.

But LOL, Ed. This is Democrat politics pure and simple. Goulish, yes. Brazen, that describes Hillary to the T; so well put, Captain!

Even if everyone agrees that she doesn’t hope Obama gets assassinated, the Clintons are supposed to be a lot more politically adept than to leave that impression.

This is exactly the kind of politically adept maneuver EVERYONE IS EXPECTING FROM THE CLINTONS. Really. This is no surprise. Regardless of what she said or says or will say, Brazen hussy, LOL!

maverick muse on May 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM

She has deliberately focused her regrets, such as they are, onto the Kennedys instead. That seems like a provocation towards Barack Obama, daring him to take public offense to it instead of the figurative shrug he has thus far displayed.
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posted at 12:10 pm on May 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

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Based on their whole team’s reactions, it looks that way to me as well, but what possible advantage could that bring her? Is it the racial thing again, reminding folks of the spring/summer of ’68? – If so, that is a huge stretch.

Think_b4_speaking on May 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM

And a lot of those Liberals wouldn’t like to see a Black Muslim in the White House.

Me either, for the fact that he is an empty-suit and is using race (affirmative action and political correctness) to carry the title “first Black in the White House.”

And of course, the fact that he is a Muslim.

I’m not going through this again, yes he is a Muslim.

Go back months ago and look why I say that he’s a Muslim.

Indy Conservative on May 25, 2008 at 2:10 PM

If I may…curiosity got the best of me. Exactly how did “conspiracy theories” come into play? All I see is Hillary using an extremely poor choice of words. I’m certainly no fan of either Obama or Clinton, but “conspiracy theories”?

JetBoy on May 25, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Hey,

The conspiracy theories are the disturbing number of people here who think the Clintons knock off their opponents, and in this case, made the comment to send Obama a warning: drop or we’ll drop you. There are variations of course but this is the jist of it.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Another reason to stay in.

Maybe the tigers won’t chase each other around the tree until they turn into butter?

Lonetown on May 25, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Let’s just savor the the MSM’s fury being directed at a Clinton. I hope it lasts all summer (meaning she sticks around), but I don’t think it will.
We’ll soon return to your regularly scheduled program of outrage at the page-flirtin’, toe-tappin’, macaca-spewin’, hooker-payin’, mistress-impregnatin’ GOP.

Rhinoboy on May 25, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Ne’er forget: Obama=Clinton as Clinton=Obama.
Tasteless.
Goulish.
Brazen.
It goes both ways. What applies to the goose, applies to the gander, whether it’s good or bad. So LOL whilst they pander for the AUDACITY factor.

maverick muse on May 25, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Hillary’s position is that her comment had nothing to do with Obama. It had to do with competitive primaries lasting well into June. So she’s sure as hell not going to apologize to Obama. That would imply that her comment had something to do with him, and that’s not her position. She’s a smart enough lawyer to understand that much.

RBMN on May 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Maybe the tigers won’t chase each other around the tree until they turn into butter?

Lonetown on May 25, 2008 at 2:11 PM

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There will be no quoting of banned books under an Obama administration.

Think_b4_speaking on May 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM

The conspiracy theories are the disturbing number of people here who think the Clintons knock off their opponents, and in this case, made the comment to send Obama a warning: drop or we’ll drop you. There are variations of course but this is the jist of it.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Gotcha. Although, I’m not totally convinced the Clinton’s don’t have some kind of shenanigans going on with it tho. Vince Foster comes to mind as a prime example.

JetBoy on May 25, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Interesting conjecture Indy, though I don’t fully buy into your premise.

Now, Chris Wallace makes himself part of that absurd narrative.

AYNBLAND on May 25, 2008 at 2:05 PM

I don’t think Wallace does that simply by covering this particular story. Covering Hillary’s tasteless (and inaccurate) “Bill’s nomination wasn’t locked up until June, and you never know what might happen” shtick, complete with references to the RFK assassination, is a legitimate news story. And pressing Hillary’s camp on an apology should be considered standard journalism for this kind of thing.

Wallace separates himself from the left-wing advocacy / narrative as long as he also doesn’t start haranguing Clinton aides about “why is she still in the race?”, “doesn’t she realize she can never win?”, etc. So far I think he’s steered well clear of this.

RD on May 25, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Hillary was by no means talking about Obama. The reporter was bitching about Hillary’s endurance, braying at her to quit, bringing the “unity” skeleton out of the party closet. Hillary defended herself just fine and dandy until she said “assassination” because of the emotional negativity that word releases on all concerned. None the less, her point was that RFK was campaigning in CA during JUNE primary season. (Since no one can argue that point, she did not need to say the fact that RFK was assassinated but she did, and that is as far as that goes. She did not mention BHO and certainly did not equate her opponent with the likes of RFK; only the bitch & moan crowd are doing that. She began her response to the reporter’s insistent ‘WHY?’ properly with her husband in CA during the month of June whilst campaigning was in full swing as has ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE UNTIL THIS YEAR–the only difference being that the MSM pressed the DNC to begin the campaign season early, BEFORE CHRISTMAS FOR CRYIN’ OUT LOUD!–and now is bitching and moaning that it’s been going on too long for comfort. Wa,wa,wa–let the little piggy MSM go wee-wee-wee all the way home. It is no skin off Hillary’s nose to stay in at this point. It is actually to our national interest that Hillary stay in to the DNC Convention–their party historically chants: “Your vote counts”. Obama, by the way, has no real grounds for complaint as far as wanting everyone to “just follow the rules”. Tell that to the idiot H.Dean who started all of this uproar, setting up Michigan and Florida to not be counted in order to throw his own weight around on the issue of moving up dates. If Dean counts out FLA & MICHIGAN, then he changed the rules in the middle of the game because the Democrat voters in those states did not have a voice in choosing their voting date. The rules changed on them before they had a chance to influence any decisions in advance. Blame whatever problems of the long campaign season properly where the responsibility rests: DNC party leaders and the MSM, always wanting more “significance” than the media ever deserves in public life. I omit the GOP from responsibility as they merely played “catch-up” after the fact on dates/primaries.

maverick muse on May 25, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Gotcha. Although, I’m not totally convinced the Clinton’s don’t have some kind of shenanigans going on with it tho. Vince Foster comes to mind as a prime example.

JetBoy on May 25, 2008 at 2:14 PM

VINCE FOSTER KILLED HIMSELF!!!!! This is precisely the type of stupid conspiracy theories I’m talking about.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 2:29 PM

And what if some nutjob assassinate Hussein?

Indy Conservative

Indeed! That’s some good insight! I don’t know who Hussein is, within this context, but I’m BLOWN AWAY by such masterful wordsmithery.

You realize that EVERY TIME a conservative uses Obama’s middle name, and nothing else, it makes that conservative look like an idiot, right?

Krydor on May 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM

It would be nice if my comment posts.

One point made that no one yet has noticed is that OBAMA has no defense whining that he just wants everyone to follow the rules to facilitate his victory gaining the nomination. Howard Dean CHANGED THE RULES AFTER LOCAL MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA STATE DEADLINES–DEAN DID NOT PROVIDE VOTERS WITH THE CHANCE TO VOTE WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE UP PRIMARY DATES BEFORE HE NEGATED THEIR PRIMARIES.

maverick muse on May 25, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Anybody can be politically adept when the media is in the tank for you. You are seeing what happens when they change tanks.

TheBigOldDog on May 25, 2008

Well, it is not just that she has had the media on her side. It is because there has been zero,, ZERO! opposition to the libs from the Republican party for years!! The Dems say anything! They vomit out the lies and distortions like diarrhea while Republicans whimper “We care too!”

JellyToast on May 25, 2008 at 2:44 PM

After all, the Democratic Party is the Party of race division…

Indy Conservative on May 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Indeed. I’ve commented here for months now that the Obamas will set back race-relations in this country, like none in a looong time, and much of the progress will be lost.

One of the liberals’ own captured it best. I applaud the courage of this author.

Entelechy on May 25, 2008 at 2:47 PM

It’s the classic democrat Prejudice for everyone and everything.

while Republicans whimper “We care too!”

Soooooo True!

The lack of real leadership is frightening in this country.

Kini on May 25, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Terry. Terry. Answer the question, Terry. We’ll let you spout your rehearsed pieces about why Mrs. Clinton is supposedly a better option in due time, but for now JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.

perroviejo on May 25, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Seriously, I find the idea that would-be C-in-C Barack Obama would give a Memorial Day Weekend commencement address (subbing for Ted Kennedy), under the theme of “service,” without once mentioning the armed services (except very indirectly, and rather negatively) to be much more offensive than a stray off-the-cuff comment from Hillary. Talk about a failure to salute…

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a5t0fliR52Yw

one copy of the full text (as prepared) can be found here:

http://stephencrosehome.blogspot.com/2008/05/obamas-wesleyan-commencement-address.html

William Schneider at CNN mentioned the omission, but I haven’t seen it picked up anywhere.

CK MacLeod on May 25, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Darth Executor,

I think JetBoy is just pullin’ your chain. Isn’t he?

Vince on May 25, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Vince on May 25, 2008 at 3:42 PM

I dunno. I tend to think “no” because of all the people that have been saying the same thing recently.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 3:55 PM

McAuliffe also said earlier in the interview that Hillary had made the “assassination” comment months ago and nobody batted an eye. Later he used the excuse that Ted Kennedy was “on Hillary’s mind” lately and that was why she said it. Chris Wallace caught him and asked why did she say it months ago if it was only on her mind lately? Darn if I didn’t have to leave the room, and I have no idea what McAuliffe’s response was!

ctmom on May 25, 2008 at 4:11 PM

Firstly, I despise Hilary Clinton. Yes… mean that. I think her election would mark the end of the Republic which I had fought for…. Bush- Clinton – Bush – Clinton…. that’s not a modern democracy. I had to hold my nose when voting for Bush Jr in 2000 for the same reason and I think he could even be worse for our country that Jimmy Carter was.

The reporter who broke the story of her assassination comment said that being there in the room and in the context of the question and answer session that was ongoing, he was sure that she was not referencing Obama’s chances of being killed off as a reason to continue running. He was actually very surprised that people took it that way. I think that might be why Hilary seems indifferent to the outrage over the quoted remarks.

lexhamfox on May 25, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Why can’t she just articulate it like this:

I know that I am not going to get enough pledged delegates to win, but I also know that he is not going to get enough pledged delegates to win. Under our wacky rules, all those primaries and caucuses ended up being irrelevant. It all comes down to who the political big shots (the super delegates) pick. I think I am the better candidate. Sure, he leads in the pledged delegate count, but only slightly and only because of our odd rules. (I win Texas, and he gets more delegates!?! Wassup with that?) If we awarded delegates like the Republicans, I’d be crushing him. If we awarded delegates like they award electoral votes, I’d be crushing him. I am even leading in the popular vote if you count Mich and Fl. They argue that those votes shouldn’t count because the primaries were too early, but last time I checked they both vote in Nov., and Florida tends to elect the President. I won all the big blue states we need to win in November. Since BarryO became the front runner, a horrified electorate has been regularly pounding him at the polls, and I have trounced him in 5 out of the last 7 primaries. The voters do not want him as the nominee — just the journalists and other elitists (they used to be on my side (what happened?). Finally, BarryO is doomed to lose and I am beating McCain in the polls in all the battleground states. For these reasons, the super delegates should do what they are supposed to do, vote for the best nominee — me.

That is why I am in the darn race. Oh, and who knows, someone might shoot the eggplant.

tommylotto on May 25, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Perhaps Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Rush should ask Kathleen Willey if this latest Clinton drumbeat of veiled threats against Jughead sound familiar.

viking01 on May 25, 2008 at 4:41 PM

I’m inclined to agree with Paul Mirengoff at powerlineblog about this non-story. It was a politically stupid remark for Clinton to make (and while she is capable of scorched-earth politics), but I don’t see her comment as a veiled threat in this case.

onlineanalyst on May 25, 2008 at 4:46 PM

My curiosity is pivoting to the fall and I wonder how much the Clinton’s will fall in behind Obama in the general campaign. My bet is that she sits it out and tries in the background to hurt Obama to clear the path for her second try in 2012.

JAW on May 25, 2008 at 4:51 PM

viking01 on May 25, 2008 at 4:41 PM

I’m sure if you bring it up at the 9/11 Truth meeting they’ll be more than happy to provide you with a badly hand drawn protest sign and their address so you can give them the tip yourself.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 4:54 PM

I like Chris & dislike Terry, but I think Terry put forth a good case for forgetting Hillary’s gaffe.

jgapinoy on May 25, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Cute. Unimpressive and dense, but cute.

Hillary has nowhere near Slick’s gift of glib but most here ( I hope) can realize that nearly all Hillary says is scripted, focus-grouped, re-scripted and rehearsed so her gaffes are script errors. Otherwise, it’s a trial balloon.

The Clintoons would never dare do any such thing directly they’d have a Pellicano, Reno or a Vernon Jordan as courier of suggestions. Most likely, of course, is to inspire a Lee Harvey Oswald mentality amongst their fringe following to camp out in a book depository along the route, so to speak. There’s always a convenient fall guy sought when the Clintons look for or cause trouble. In this case the fall guy to cover any bets would probably be concocted per her typical Vast Right Wing Conspiracy playbook.

I regret that some are so dense to confuse that and float the tiresome “truther” stereotypes. The Clintons power derives not so much from what they do and have done but rather what they have inspired others to do for them and excuse for them. That hasn’t changed much besides where many of their shills in the press now court Obama.

viking01 on May 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM

viking01 on May 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I think you’re insane. Don’t worry though, you can take consolation in the fact that you’re on the same wavelength as the Democratic Underground.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 5:30 PM

viking01 on May 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Oh, and before I forget, you brought up Willey, whose husband wasn’t killed by any fringe Clinton supporter since he killed himself, which leads me to believe you’re just making up the “she’s signaling fringe supporters” stuff up on the spot to appear slightly less insane.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 5:32 PM

That’s a shrewd analysis, viking01.

Entelechy on May 25, 2008 at 2:47 PM

That HuffPo piece was quite good, too, in its explanation of the dynamics of the Dem party.

The new alliance of academia with black liberation identity is not enough to win elections. Academics live in a bubble of self-congratulatory elitism, their tenured positions not jeopardized by shifting economic circumstances, so they look askance at peons in the working classes.

The Obamas have, indeed, set back race relations by opening the eyes of the country to the festering dissatisfaction promoted in black liberation theology. Obama will lose in the national election in dismissing an historically large section of the Dem base. His coalition of supporters is not representative enough of the national pulse.

onlineanalyst on May 25, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Oh no, oh no. Every time I need a pick me up I watch Olby’s tirade vs Hillary. It’s just to wonderful watching that demented mongrel turn on its old master.

As I said, I hope it was all an innocent remark. That makes it even more of a bitter pill for her to swallow. Countless times, with the media in tow, the Clinton’s brought low the careers of many people by distorting perfectly fine remarks. Travel Office anyone. Seven fine people railroaded through hell. Years later when the case finally made it to court, with ruined lives scattered, the judge threw it out in less than five minutes.

Standard Clinton procedure. They can’t be brought low enough.

patrick neid on May 25, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Hillary is brazen alright. Openly threatening Obama. SHE’S the one Secret Service needs to watch. People have a way of dying around her when she’s pissed.

SuperManGreenLantern on May 25, 2008 at 5:35 PM

RE: Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Is it even remotely possible for you to argue a point without tiresome ad hominem diversions?

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Back on topic:

The Clintons typically get their way by inspiring evil and evil actions in others. While my first posting of 4:41 PM was intended to be a not so subtle reminder of the demise of Kathleen Willey’s cat by inspired help… most here can follow that Hillary realizes Obama isn’t going away quietly any time soon. She also realizes her current strategy and talking points aren’t working. As SuperManGreenLantern has recently stated those whom have inconvenienced the Clintons have a convenient way of attaining the afterlife posthaste. The way Norman Hsu went haywire in hiding is suggestive that he, once in the spotlight, had realized he was surely in the danger zone. Again, I don’t expect either Clinton to have Obambi whacked but probably wouldn’t be too choked up one or some of lunatic fringe following suddenly made her need for Super Delegates moot.

viking01 on May 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM

She had no eye contact at all during that “apology.” That speaks volumes.

Glynn on May 25, 2008 at 6:13 PM

I don’t think her comment about RFK’s assination was anything intentional. I’m giving her a break on that one. But, who knows, she could have planted a seed in some nut’s head.

cjs1943 on May 25, 2008 at 6:38 PM

We going to have a thread for the lady on Fox who said we should kill “both Osama and Obama”?

Typhonsentra on May 25, 2008 at 6:40 PM

Mars Phoenix Landing…live on NASA TV…touchdown in 50 mins

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:03 PM

Chris ripped the fox and friends show for tslking about Obama pastor so much and now mrs clinton .Me thinks chris is a big Obama suporter just like is father it runs in the familey

thmcbb on May 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Is it even remotely possible for you to argue a point without tiresome ad hominem diversions?

viking01 on May 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM

I don’t know, is it possible for you to argue a point without masturbating* foreign words you know nothing about in the middle of a conversation in a lame attempt to sound smarter than you really are? “Ad hominem” means you attack the man INSTEAD of attacking the argument. Attacking the man AND the argument is not ad hominem.

Other than that, your backpedaling is duly noted but as I pointed out earlier, your previous comment(s) now stand for all to see and that is NOT all you’re implying. Invoking Norman Tsu is ridiculous. He “went haywire” because he was sick and because, get this, he was running from the law. People who lived comfortable lives aren’t exactly the most likely to take being on the run well.

*I know what masturbate actually means, it’s a joke. I feel the need to include this footnote because there have been people in previous discussions who thought they “got me”.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 7:09 PM

thmcbb on May 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM

I think it’s more likely that he’s getting his revenge because Bubba went nuts on his show.

Darth Executor on May 25, 2008 at 7:09 PM

This is not an apology. Hillary brings it all up again….she recalls the emotions of the Kennedy Family.

She simply justifies her position. She “regrets if anyone took offense……I never intended anyone to take offense….” (READ: Become less likely to vote for me.)

She is so self righteous it is ridiculous…

“I’m sorry you got mad at me”….that did not work with my wife either.

Dpet on May 25, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Phoenix…

Engines have been pressurized…..begins aerobreaking in 24 minutes.

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Engines…..Mars
Limerick on May 25,2008 at 7:20PM.

Limerick: If you don’t mind.I’m a space freak to,are you
on NASA website,Malin Space? for the coverage?

canopfor on May 25, 2008 at 7:27 PM

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/

Nasa TV on the web. The puppy separates from the cruise stage in about 10 mins….then it is all on it’s lonesome!

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Thanks Limerick:

Im going to link,ya this baby is all on
hold your breath,bite your nails,and touch
down!

Hey,there should be Richard C.Hoagland on tonites
CoastoCoast on the landing,maybe more insight on
the landing!

canopfor on May 25, 2008 at 7:32 PM

canopfor on May 25, 2008 at 7:32 PM

No cable or satTV here :( (I’m cheap)

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Limerick,

Fingers crossed.

Weebork on May 25, 2008 at 7:37 PM

HEY!>…she is on her own…separation and contact established!

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:40 PM

10 minutes blackout time coming up….she is going from 11,000 mph to 1,100 mph for parachute deploy.

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:42 PM

OK she in in the atmosphere and glowing like shooting star

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Parachute deployed!

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Heat shield dropped!

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:51 PM

The worst is over for the Phoenix. Whew!

Weebork on May 25, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Legs deployed!

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:52 PM

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Must be some brakes,12,500 mph or KPH?

canopfor on May 25, 2008 at 7:53 PM

TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Whew! Touchdown!

Weebork on May 25, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Happy Dance!

Weebork on May 25, 2008 at 7:55 PM

She just sent the I’m OK signal!

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Touch down,the little Eagle has landed,
KUDO’S AMERICA!!!!!

canopfor on May 25, 2008 at 7:56 PM

First photos in about 45 mins or so.

Limerick on May 25, 2008 at 7:57 PM

People at NASA are thinking “Yay! It landed! We’re not going to get fired!” and “Yay, I can sleep tonight!”

Weebork on May 25, 2008 at 7:58 PM

I wonder if one of my math teachers, Ben Miller, is there. He’s been working with the other landers.

Weebork on May 25, 2008 at 8:00 PM

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