Ryan Crocker: Al Qaeda in Iraq is near defeat

posted at 6:40 pm on May 24, 2008 by Allahpundit

Echoing what Gen. Dempsey said the other day and what Michael Yon’s been saying for months. Baseball Crank had an interesting short post last night that’s worth tagging here. Lost in the endless jeremiads about quagmire is the fact that the United States isn’t the only player in all this that’s been taught some hard lessons. With the eyes of the world upon them, AQ had a chance to fashion itself as a champion of Muslims against the west; instead they did everything they could to destroy the brand, to the point where, I suspect, their abiding scumminess is one of the few issues on which you’d find huge consensus among Iraqis across sectarian lines. Cue Ryan Crocker:

The U.S. ambassador to Iraq said Saturday that al-Qaida’s network in the country has never been closer to defeat, and he praised Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for his moves to rein in Shiite and Sunni militant groups…

“There is important progress for the Iraqi forces in confronting the Sunni and Shiite militias,” he said, speaking Arabic to reporters. “The government, the prime minister are showing a clear determination to take on extremist armed elements that challenge the government’s authority … no matter who these elements are.”

“You are not going to hear me say that al-Qaida is defeated, but they’ve never been closer to defeat than they are now,” Crocker said.

The U.S. military says attacks have dropped dramatically — down to an average of 41 a day across the country, the lowest rate since 2004 — amid the crackdowns and truces. The U.S. military, backed by Sunni Arab tribal fighters, have scored successes in battling al-Qaida in Iraq and other Sunni insurgents in western parts of the country.

“Near defeat” doesn’t equal “defeated” — follow the link for details on an assassination near Baquba — but the offensive in Mosul, one of the last cities with a major jihadi presence, has been successful enough for the Iraqi government to pronounce it cleared. It’ll take a few months to see whether that’s true or not, but it’s encouraging to see Iraqi troops working this theater while others roll into Sadr City. They can walk and chew gum at the same time. As, of course, can we. Exit quotation: “The increasing success and pace of airstrikes this year indicates that American spy agencies and their allies have made progress in infiltrating Al Qaeda in Pakistan, said Louis Caprioli, a former anti-terrorism chief of France’s DST intelligence agency.”


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

But, but, Harry Reid told us the war was lost!

fourstringfuror on May 24, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Nothing short of victory will we accept.

Weebork on May 24, 2008 at 6:48 PM

we better hurry up and unconditionally retreat before we win

custer on May 24, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Even better, the latest polls of the Islamic world apparently show a precipitate decline in support for al-Qaeda.

Apparently.

Always need to qualify things.

My guess (simplistic yes, but I’m a simple man) is that this would not have happened had we left Iraq to their predations. Strong horse and all that…

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 6:52 PM

They can walk and chew gum at the same time. As, of course, can we.

Hmm, I would’ve thought you’d go for this bubblegum line

trubble on May 24, 2008 at 6:54 PM

We must run, we must run, RETREAT-REDEPLOY TO JAPAN!!!!! NOW!

allrsn on May 24, 2008 at 6:58 PM

Maybe the Iraqis themselves are getting tired of the mayhem.

Terrye on May 24, 2008 at 7:02 PM

Well done military men and woman. There is nothing you can’t achieve and no force you can’t defeat. I solute you and your families for your service and sacrifice. God Bless the USA!

trs on May 24, 2008 at 7:14 PM

But what about the fact that there was no alqaida in Iraq to defeat before we went there?

mofo on May 24, 2008 at 7:15 PM

This comment must be absolutely devastating to the democRATS & the main stream media.

hoi polloi on May 24, 2008 at 7:16 PM

You know with headlines like these –

Ryan Crocker: Al Qaeda in Iraq is near defeat

Michael Yon on Iraq: “The progress is unbelievable”

some folks, like those who can put 2 and 2 together, are going to start to wonder just why it is that Obama’s plan to pull out American combat forces over a period of 16 months, and not starting until at least 8 months from now, is somehow irresponsible. In fact with stories like these, a lot of folks will think that if elected Obama should speed up his schedule.

Like I have said before, stories like these are sharpshooting General Petraeus.

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Now if we can quell the Shia militas and defeat the remaining free-lance insurgents we’ll have Iraq almost as secure as it was under Saddam.

And it only cost us 4000+ American lives.

mofo on May 24, 2008 at 7:20 PM

But what about the fact that there was no alqaida in Iraq to defeat before we went there?

Al-Qaeda declared war on us in 1998.

We went into Iraq and al-Qaeda counter-attacked in order to defeat us there. They chose that nation as the central place to drive us out of the region and to rally the radical elements for their cause.

It’s call war. Enemies attack and counter-attack one another over the course of the conflict.

Surely you’re not saying that we’re to blame for al-Qaeda attacking us and our Iraqi allies?

Let’s remember who started this war.

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 7:23 PM

And it only cost us 4000+ American lives.

mofo on May 24, 2008 at 7:20 PM

fail.

BadgerHawk on May 24, 2008 at 7:23 PM

Thanks for the post on this topic, AP.

But what about the fact that there was no alqaida in Iraq to defeat before we went there?

We have to fight them. Everyone agrees on that. Well, aside from Truthers, I guess. I think almost everyone agrees that we shouldn’t fight them on our soil, so let’s assume for a moment you are right. (Assume) Where would you have rather fought them? In the hills of Afganistan? Tucked away in Pakistan? Why not, say, Iraq?

If AQ wants to meet there at high noon (and they did – but you don’t have to take my word for it, listen to their videos – they call[ed] it the front line of jihad against USA), why not beat them to a bloody pulp there? Sounds like a plan, Stan. And more importantly, looks like that plan worked.

Spirit of 1776 on May 24, 2008 at 7:26 PM

I guess as soon as AQ started to attack us in Iraq we should have retreated?

That’s the only conclusion I can make from those who say we’re to blame for them going to Iraq.

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 7:30 PM

mofo on May 24, 2008 at 7:20 PM

And it only cost us 4000+ American lives.

And I sometimes wonder how many of those losses were because of people who declared our defeat too early and emboldened a terrorist with the will to fight just one more day.
The blood of many our bravest is on the hands of the defeatist left, never forget that fact!!!

Gwillie on May 24, 2008 at 7:30 PM

This corresponds with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani’s statement that Iraqi forces will be in control by the end of the year.

AnthonyK on May 24, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Like I have said before, stories like these are sharpshooting General Petraeus.

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 7:17 PM

I haven’t heard you say this before, please explain what you mean.

BadgerHawk on May 24, 2008 at 7:42 PM

mofo:

Zarqawi went to Iraq after the invasion of Afghanistan. Maybe you think he intended to open up a theme park or something, but in reality he was allied with AlQaida even then. In 1999 Saddam offered Osama Bin Laden sanctuary, so he obviously had no problem with AlQaida in Iraq just so long as they did not mess with him.

If we had not gone into Iraq when we did, we would still have been forced to deal with Saddam some how, some way. I know the position of the anti war movement is that he could be contained, but I don’t think so.

If we can destroy AlQaida in Iraq and make them an enemy of Muslims in a Muslim nation, we have accomplished something.

Terrye on May 24, 2008 at 7:53 PM

That guy’s packing a hekumaloda tin on his chest. Dayam!

ronsfi on May 24, 2008 at 7:54 PM

And mofo if you think Iraq was secure under the Butcher of Baghdad then you have a very strange idea of what security means. A million or so dead Iraqis might disagree with you. If they could.

Terrye on May 24, 2008 at 7:55 PM

some folks, like those who can put 2 and 2 together, are going to start to wonder just why it is that Obama’s plan to pull out American combat forces over a period of 16 months, and not starting until at least 8 months from now, is somehow irresponsible. In fact with stories like these, a lot of folks will think that if elected Obama should speed up his schedule.

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Obama’s timeline may be closer to actual events then he know when he so irresponsibly stated his deadline not knowing the events of this year would produce the results that they have. The events are going faster than even Petreus predicted.

Then again, maybe they won’t. Iran can turn everything upside down whenever they want. At least this year they can, next year with a stronger central government in Iraq, maybe they cannot.

bnelson44 on May 24, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Like I have said before, stories like these are sharpshooting General Petraeus.

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Wrong target. Petraeus will be head of CENTCOM next year no matter who is president.

bnelson44 on May 24, 2008 at 7:59 PM

The blood of many our bravest is on the hands of the defeatist left, never forget that fact!!!

Gwillie on May 24, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Dolchstosslegende –

German: Dagger stab legend, translated into English as “stab-in-the-back legend”.

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 7:59 PM

BadgerHawk on May 24, 2008 at 7:42 PM

Petraeus himself has said recently that he can see cutting back our numbers from what had been projected.

maverick muse on May 24, 2008 at 8:00 PM

bnelson44 on May 24, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Reminds me of how the North Koreans were on the brink of defeat until the Chinese army crossed the river.

Gwillie on May 24, 2008 at 8:02 PM

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Dude! That was rather erudite. Well played sir! Well played!

In the year 2065 all German words will be at least fourteen syllables long.

ronsfi on May 24, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Ha, mofo doesn’t admit that Hussein permitted al Quaeda in Iraq. Like McCain said, it’s called al Quaeda in Iraq.

maverick muse on May 24, 2008 at 8:03 PM

I haven’t heard you say this before, please explain what you mean.

BadgerHawk on May 24, 2008 at 7:42 PM

General Petraeus has very responsibly always tried to be very realistic about Iraq. No sis-boom-bah from him.

[Gains that there have been in Iraq are] fragile and reversible.”
– General Petraeus

“We haven’t turned any corners, we haven’t seen any lights at the end of the tunnel. The champagne bottle has been pushed to the back of the refrigerator.”
– General Petraeus

With big cheerleading rata-tat-tat, almost hyperventilating, like these, particularly Michael Yon’s –

Ryan Crocker: Al Qaeda in Iraq is near defeat

Michael Yon on Iraq: “The progress is unbelievable”

the least little set back or anything other than a big reduction in troops soon and General Patreaus looks bad (has been “sharpshot”) instead of good.

It is a lot like when a presidential candidate runs in a primary he/she wants to keep expectations low or at least realistic, rather than sis-boom-bah’ing them up, so they look good when the results come in rather than things looking like they should withdraw from the race.

Of course only a tiny fraction of Americans will see these stories so they probably won’t sharpshoot General Petraeus very much, but if a lot of people did see them … … …

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 8:15 PM

General Petraeus has very responsibly always tried to be very realistic about Iraq.

Speaking of realism, haven’t you been arguing that Iraq is a lost cause no matter what?

That it’s impossible for the various sects to set aside their differences and establish a nationalist, trans-sectarian government?

And that we needed to leave Iraq two, three? four? years ago?

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 8:22 PM

I don’t see how less Al Qaeda helps Michelle Obama’s children

Chuck Schick on May 24, 2008 at 8:25 PM

mofo on May 24, 2008 at 7:20 PM

troll

Spirit of 1776 on May 24, 2008 at 7:26 PM
Gwillie on May 24, 2008 at 7:30 PM

thankyou

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 8:31 PM

“You are not going to hear me say that al-Qaida is defeated, but they’ve never been closer to defeat than they are now,” Crocker said.

You know, the English language has never been so interesting from the beginning of the Clinton era up to this moment.

Both the Clinton and the Bush administrations -with some variations- managed to manipulate the meaning of words that all dictionaries agreed upon.

It is amazing to see how politicians, Military personnel and journalists can play on words and try to make people believe the unbelievable. And it all depends “on what you mean by a certain word.”

It is a game and only the real players know what’s going on.

My advise to you, do not ever believe what comes from the mouth of the aforementioned.

You want to know the truth?

Go to the source. Check what’s happening on the ground by visiting foreign websites and sources.

And if you are lucky like me and you know foreign languages, then you will uncover the lies the U.S. media, the politicians and the Military are feeding you.

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 8:31 PM

Gwillie on May 24, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Just count the deaths that occured since Murtha’s fatefull redeploy speech. I estimate 1,000 us military and far more iraqi.

And remember Murtha gave this irresponsible speech in response to Iraqs then interm President claiming we could start to withdraw by the end of that year!

allrsn on May 24, 2008 at 8:34 PM

Check what’s happening on the ground by visiting foreign websites and sources.

Because foreign websites and sources aren’t run by humans who manipulate language for their own ends? They’re completely and totally objective?

Orwell’s “Politics and the English Language” was written in 1946.

And my guess is that any other language can be substituted for “English.”

They’re called humans. Imperfect creatures.

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Speaking of realism, haven’t you been arguing that Iraq is a lost cause no matter what?

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Close. I have been arguing more that democracy (anything like what we in the west think of as democracy anyway) in an Islamic country is a “lost cause”. There could be an exception somewhere, but even if so, I don’t think that Iraq is it.

You did see the story about the U.S. Army General who had to gravel before a bunch of Islamo a$$ hats didn’t you?

The overriding matter to me is what do we win, if we “win”.

Getting to stay in a Muslim country where ever time one of our soldiers is caught disrespecting Islam or their filthy evil Koran, an American General has to grovel before a bunch of ungrateful, never satisfied Muslims? A country that has Sharia enshrined in it’s constitution? A natural fellow Shiite ally for Iran?

I’ve been trying to look at the forest. You see even if we “win” it’s very likely going to be a boobie prize.

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 8:40 PM

We need to end this war in Iraq so we can go after Al Qaeda! /Obama

WisCon on May 24, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Go to the source. Check what’s happening on the ground by visiting foreign websites and sources.

Heh. French Channel 2. The Beeb. Al Jazera. Rock on!

Spirit of 1776 on May 24, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Because foreign websites and sources aren’t run by humans who manipulate language for their own ends? They’re completely and totally objective?

Orwell’s “Politics and the English Language” was written in 1946.

And my guess is that any other language can be substituted for “English.”

They’re called humans. Imperfect creatures.

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 8:37 PM

It depends on what foreign websites you are visiting.

Although I speak, read and write a bit Farsi, it doesn’t mean that I can get the truth about Iraq from every Iranian website for example.

And not every Iranian website will tell you the truth.

There are dissidents -enemies of the Iranian state- who can talk the truth or exaggerate it.

You have to explore the Web and discern, with your intelligence, what is true and what is phony.

Understood?

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 8:46 PM

You see even if we “win” it’s very likely going to be a boobie prize.

Well, there are regimes in the Middle East that are very ugly, to be sure. I.e., anyone but Israel.

But some of them are run by governments that aren’t aggressively hostile to us and the West as others who are aggressively hostile to us. The choice is not between secular pluralistic democracies and theocratic despots. The choice is much less clear.

Unfortunately.

The US allied itself during the Cold War with some pretty unsavory governments. That’s because we believed that the larger goal was more important and that the alternatives to these regimes was worse.

I think we agree that (broadly speaking) that was the right approach. It appears that we may have to follow that same general policy in this matter.

No one likes it; but we take the world as it’s given to us and not the way we wish it was.

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 8:46 PM

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 8:40 PM

Do you not share the perception that the Bush Administration has shifted goals a long those lines? They seem less idealistic and more pragmatic vis a vis democracy now.

Spirit of 1776 on May 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM

Go to the source. Check what’s happening on the ground by visiting foreign websites and sources.

Heh. French Channel 2. The Beeb. Al Jazera. Rock on!

Spirit of 1776 on May 24, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Don’t forget the Food Channel, it’s my favorite.

Oh and Cartoon Network, it’s my Bible.

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM

You have to explore the Web and discern, with your intelligence, what is true and what is phony.

Understood?

Not really.

The only measure we can use – since we don’t have access to primary sources – is the track record of these sources/sites.

I.e., do they have a demonstrable record of getting facts right.

And not once or twice, here or there; but years.

So, while we may consider other sources, we still have to depend largely on major news entities for our information.

As flawed as they are.

IOW, more information doesn’t mean better information.

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 8:58 PM

So, while we may consider other sources, we still have to depend largely on major news entities for our information.

As flawed as they are.

And that’s about as geeky as two sentences I’ve ever written.

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 8:59 PM

Currently, this month is heading towards being the month with the lowest rate of Coalition casualties since the war began, at 0.75/day. This month might be the one with the lowest Iraqi casualties since early on in 2005.

Quick, retreat!

Seixon on May 24, 2008 at 9:01 PM

But what about the fact that there was no alqaida in Iraq to defeat before we went there?

mofo on May 24, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Just delicious serindiptous gravy, I guess.

techno_barbarian on May 24, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Now if we can quell the Shia militas and defeat the remaining free-lance insurgents we’ll have Iraq almost as secure as it was under Saddam.

And it only cost us 4000+ American lives.

mofo on May 24, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Way to honor their sacrifice, ingrate. And on Memorial Day weekend too. You stay classy, ‘mofo’.

techno_barbarian on May 24, 2008 at 9:08 PM

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Of course you have to pick and chose what is reliable and what is not, depending on how intelligent you are. Didn’t I say that earlier?

On the other hand, comparing sources is the one of the best criterion in determining the accuracy of a story.

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:10 PM

So, while we may consider other sources, we still have to depend largely on major news entities for our information.

As flawed as they are.

And that’s about as geeky as two sentences I’ve ever written.

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 8:59 PM

Fight nice now… both of you… lol

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM

Correction:

On the other hand, comparing sources the same story from different sources is the one of the best criterion in determining its accuracy.

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Fight nice now… both of you… lol

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM

I don’t know about him, but I put my shotgun away before loggin in at Hot Air.

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:15 PM

Sounds like our American Armed Services are about to secure another milestone in Iraq. Now, if the yellow democraps will allow us to proceed to the conclusion on this front of the War on Terror, maybe we can drill for more oil over there. Lord knows the superstitious pagan environmental halfwits will not let us drill here…

Zorro on May 24, 2008 at 9:16 PM

What makes me laugh is that I understand both of your points of view. If you (collectively) could read what you’re saying you’d chuckle like I did.

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 9:17 PM

What makes me laugh is that I understand both of your points of view. If you (collectively) could read what you’re saying you’d chuckle like I did.

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 9:17 PM

He said

we still have to depend largely on major news entities for our information.

I never said that.

In fact, the Associated Press, Reuters and others are the last on my list.

These are not my sources.

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM

I don’t know about him, but I put my shotgun away before loggin in at Hot Air.

Actually, I was fighting myself.

Best part is that one of us always wins.

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM

I don’t know who’s worse when it comes to moaning self-flagellation and preaching defeat- the Democrats or that gutless RINO out of Nebraska.

MaiDee on May 24, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Let see,no car bombs going off,and all quite
on the western front,er Irag I mean.

And AQ has been severely degraded in Irag,great
news, then how do we really know,well CNN and the
Liberal MSM are running non-stop Polygamy shows
and McCain hit pieces!

But yet the Liberal MSM hasn’t mentioned any good
news out of Irag,how strange,you would almost swear
there’s an election going on!

canopfor on May 24, 2008 at 9:27 PM

I don’t know who’s worse when it comes to moaning self-flagellation and preaching defeat- the Democrats or that gutless RINO out of Nebraska.

MaiDee on May 24, 2008 at 9:22 PM

The fastest way to have your voice on sound bites all over the world is to be a maverick.

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:29 PM

The fastest way to have your voice on sound bites all over the world is to be a maverick.

I would add:

The most guaranteed way…

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM

The fastest way to have your voice on sound bites all
over the world is to be a maverick.

Indy Conservative on May 24,2008 at 9:29PM.

Indy Conservative: Now Indy,your going to give James Garner
a bad name!!! Ha HA.

canopfor on May 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM

I spent a little time on the coastal plains of the Caspian Sea, I don’t speak Farsi but I do know that this younger gen there is more pro than con toward toward US, however, there is a great deal of disinfo coming out of Iran on these anti-estab web sites, or so my sources tell me. This may be from their gov. I expect to see more of this coming soon. Who knows…..war of words.

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM

canopfor on May 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM

You sure have a good TV memory, old fart!

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:38 PM

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Bottom line:

One has to be selective and smart while surfing the Web.

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM

But, but, Harry Reid told us the war was lost!

fourstringfuror on May 24, 2008 at 6:44 PM

We’ve been winning the war for years now. The progress, just as Yon said, has been unbelievable. Unprecedented, in fact. I don’t think you could find, in all of human history, a more successful invasion and quelling of an insurgency, with such comparatively light casualties.

But the problem is that the Harry Reid’s of the world want to proclaim defeat; it’s one part natural pessimism, one part anti-Americanism, and 3 parts political game play. Which is too many parts, but you get the point.

And the problem for all of us is that, in a situation like this, there will never be a perfect victory. All it takes is a couple of terrorist idiots staying behind to bomb things to give the pessimists ammunition.

Professor Blather on May 24, 2008 at 9:42 PM

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM

Very true!! Hear that Steve? now… na, I won’t go there…
we all may be banned…..

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 9:43 PM

Professor Blather on May 24, 2008 at 9:42 PM

So true, so true!!!

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 9:45 PM

Very true!! Hear that Steve? now… na, I won’t go there…
we all may be banned…..

Troublemaker.

I remember reading a book by the late Mortimer Adler called “How to Read a Book”. Very good little work (it was the introductory work to his “Great Books” series).

Perhaps someone needs to write something on “How to Read a Blog”.

Like I said, someone, not me.

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM

Very true!! Hear that Steve? now… na, I won’t go there…
we all may be banned…..

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 9:43 PM

Use 128-bit encryption next time to express your feelings.

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:53 PM

You sure have a good TV memory,old fart!

Indy Consevative on May 24,2008 at 9:38PM.

Indy Consevative: Indy,10-4. :)

canopfor on May 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Speaking of Information sources,does anybody use
John Pikes,

http://www.globalsecurity.org/

canopfor on May 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Obviously just another press flack for Bush, right Keith?.

eeyore on May 24, 2008 at 10:13 PM

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:53 PM

I RESEMBLE THOSE REMARKS!!!!!

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 10:15 PM

Speaking of Information sources,does anybody use
John Pikes,

http://www.globalsecurity.org/

canopfor on May 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM

I use Israeli, Iranian, Iraqi, Russian, Chinese, Arabs and many other sources of information, including the one you mentioned.

Not to mention a couple of porn sites to take a break.

Oh and of course Animal Planet for food recipes.

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 10:15 PM

Come on Steve, You two are more on the same page than you think….But I’ll let it be for now….And now I expect Indy to call ME an old fart!!!lol

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 10:21 PM

I RESEMBLE THOSE REMARKS!!!!!

We’ll settle this right here.

Best ever scene in the history of Westerns.

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 10:24 PM

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 10:21 PM

Old fart!

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Oh I don’t know Allah it seems Al Qaeda may have squandered their brand with Muslims but they certainly convinced our cowardly fifth column that we lost.

elduende on May 24, 2008 at 10:33 PM

Nothing short of victory will we accept.

Weebork on May 24, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Thank you, Yoda. ;)

fossten on May 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM

canopfor on May 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM

John Pikes site is an excellent resource but Pike himself has/had issues with our “defense establishment” (bit of a leftist if you ask me) when he came to lecture us on nuclear strategy at G-town in the nineties.

elduende on May 24, 2008 at 10:37 PM

just for the record …my computer crashed…vISTA!!!ERRRR

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 10:24 PM

SEE SEE….I can reead…. i don’t need no stinken books!

SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 10:24 PM

I loved the CROWS in the background audio…..or maybe that was another thread…..who knows…… I’m just….
never mind……….

Got to go catch the tide….it’s like a slingshot out the inlet…..later;>)

jerrytbg on May 24, 2008 at 10:45 PM

John Pikes site…
elduende on May 24,2008 at 10:37PM.

elduende: Terrific,a lefty,Rush mentioned this website
years ago,good referenceing tho!

I’ve got a website that gives daily Pirate
attacks on vessels on the high seas as well!

canopfor on May 24, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Do you not share the perception that the Bush Administration has shifted goals a long those lines? They seem less idealistic and more pragmatic vis a vis democracy now.

Spirit of 1776 on May 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM

You would think that Bush would have “woken up and smelled the coffee” by now, but then just when you think maybe so there are little gems like the recent one where he told the woman that Islam was a great religion of peace and he needed to say it more often, which means he does not seemed to have learned anything since 9/11.

Bush will go down in history as the President who failed to make the connection between Islam and the Islamist enemy. Imagine what would have happened if President Roosevelt had not recognized a connection between Nazism and the German troops killing our soldiers. Immediately after 9/11, Bush morphed into some sort of Islamic scholar, compelled to repeat, like a parakeet, ”Islam is the Religion of Peace”, over and over and over again.
– Mordecai

President Bush is undermining criticism vital to the survival of Western civilization and empowering terrorist leaders by proclaiming Islam a “religion of peace,” says one of the most outspoken critics to emerge from the Muslim world in recent years.

Wafa Sultan, a native of Syria, seized attention worldwide in February when her electrifying interview on Al-Jazeera television spread across the Internet through a video clip produced by the Middle East Media Research Institute.

Named this year to Time Magazine’s list of 100 influential people in the world, Sultan spoke with WND after addressing a symposium on radical Islam and terrorism in Las Vegas hosted by America’s Truth Forum. She understands Bush’s position as president and believes he is only trying to be diplomatic, but insists, nevertheless, his words are “empowering” Muslim leaders whose ultimate aim is for Islamic law to govern the world.

“I believe he undermines our credibility by saying that,” said Sultan. “We came from Islam, and we know what kind of religion Islam is.”

Sultan, who identifies herself as a secular ex-Muslim, told WND she would urge Bush to take a closer look at Islamic culture and its general embrace of violence as a means of establishment and expansion.

“Facts are very stubborn things. Facts are facts,” she said. “If you are not familiar with Islamic culture, how can you claim Islam is a peaceful religion?”

The White House declined WND’s request to respond to Sultan’s comments.
– WorldNetDaily

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 10:54 PM

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Gotcha, thanks.

BadgerHawk on May 24, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Not to mention a couple of porn sites to take a break.

Indy Conservative on May 24,2008 at 10:15PM.

Indy Conservative: You’ve been holding back on sources,
now your telling us you have a Toyko
Rose and Matahari at your fingertips
on a smut,intel sites,a hum!! Ha ha :)

canopfor on May 24, 2008 at 10:58 PM

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 10:54 PM

There seems to be evidence of it. I don’t think Bush’s comments about the ‘religion of peace’ reflect his views. I think he is thinking strategically – ie taking Napoleon’s strategy of dividing the enemy so you don’t have to fight them all at once. There is NO WAY he can go out and inflame Islam and still have access to Turkey, Kuwait, SA, etc. It’s impractical to say the least unless we can manufacture oil out of thin air.

I understand the sentiment, andacknowledge the frustration, but…not the safest course.

Spirit of 1776 on May 24, 2008 at 11:13 PM

You know what’s really sad? I’m sure in some sick, twisted way of thinking, the defeatist democrats have convinced themselves that our losing is somehow best for the country. That’s what scares me. They probably think, “You know, these Republicans keep getting us into wars like this, hurting our reputation around the world, spending money that could be used for social welfare programs, etc. Maybe if we lose, then we can start rebuilding our reputation, ask forgiveness, and hopefully keep things like this from happening again.” This along with the thought that “And if we lose, since I’ve been saying this was a bad idea from the start, people will see I have foresight and wisdom, hence will reelect me so I can keep doing good for them. Hopefully, we won’t win so people won’t think I’ve wished for our loss rather than just predicted it. The people deserve me getting reelected. I deserve to get reelected because I’m that good and I care, not only for the people, but for the troops since they’ll never have to go in harms way again if I’m in charge.”
[It was weird writing that; probably similar to how C.S. Lewis felt while writing The Screwtape Letters.]

Send_Me on May 24, 2008 at 11:18 PM

canopfor on May 24, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Shhhhh… I don’t divulge my sources. I like to keep the exclusive.

How you knew about my Tokyo Rose site, by the way?

Who told you?

On that note, I’m going to snore now.

Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 11:26 PM

I understand the sentiment, and acknowledge the frustration, but…not the safest course.

Spirit of 1776 on May 24, 2008 at 11:13 PM

We did win WWII.

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 11:38 PM

They probably think, “You know, these Republicans keep getting us into wars

Send_Me on May 24, 2008 at 11:18 PM

I figured it up the other day: If we added up the killed and wounded in Democrat wars in this century, it would be about 1,600,000 Americans — enough to fill the city of Detroit.
– Bob Dole

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 11:40 PM

We did win WWII.

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 11:38 PM

I don’t follow the bridge. Apologies, can you explain? I see two kinds of warfare now that are analogous to WWII – we destroyed the enemy and the enemies ability to make war. And we allied with Stalin to do it.

Here we are trying to kill the enemy wherever he pops his head up (which is why I am in favor of killing AQ or AQI or AQA) while simultaneously trying to choke off the financials, which is how they now wage war. And we ally with some unsavories to do it. Mistakes abound, sure, but same principles at work, no?

Let’s say, for example, that every Muslim wants to kill Americans. The only ones we need to neutralize are the ones that can and will act on that. So even if the ideology preaches hate and murder etc we don’t need to get them all knocking on our door at once. Germany and Italy were both fascist regimes, but Churchill tried very hard to keep Italy out of the war.

I know that’s not a perfect analogy, but should be serviceable.

Spirit of 1776 on May 24, 2008 at 11:45 PM

We did win WWII.

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 11:38 PM

I don’t follow the bridge.

We called a spade a spade in WWII and won.

Imagine what would have happened if President Roosevelt had not recognized a connection between Nazism and the German troops killing our soldiers. Immediately after 9/11, Bush morphed into some sort of Islamic scholar, compelled to repeat, like a parakeet, ”Islam is the Religion of Peace”, over and over and over again.
– Mordecai

President Bush is undermining criticism vital to the survival of Western civilization and empowering terrorist leaders by proclaiming Islam a “religion of peace,” says one of the most outspoken critics to emerge from the Muslim world in recent years.
– WND

Has the administration’s policy of “surge till they (Iraqis) merge” changed to “keep surging because they’re not merging”? Unclear. At the same time, the new framework they envision will not set troop levels, make security commitments or authorize permanent bases in Iraq — “something neither we nor Iraqis want,” they added.

Me neither. U.S. forces should not ordinarily be engaged in nation-building — sorry, nation-stabilizing — nor should they ever be engaged in Sharia-nation-stabilizing, which is my core problem with our overall strategy in constitutionally Sharia-supreme Iraq as well as constitutionally Sharia-supreme Afghanistan (not to mention the constitutionally Sharia-supreme Palestinian Authority), but that’s another column.

In 1945, our government was of one mind regarding state Shintoism. Lewis quotes Secretary of State James F. Byrnes, who wrote: “Shintoism, insofar as it is a religion of individual Japanese, is not to be interfered with. Shintoism, however, insofar as it is directed by the Japanese government, and as a measure enforced from above by the government, is to be done away with. … There will be no place for Shintoism in the schools. Shintoism as a state religion — National Shinto, that is — will go. … Our policy on this goes beyond Shinto. … The dissemination of Japanese militaristic and ultra-nationalistic ideology in any form will be completely suppressed.”

And it was, with fabulous results.

Obviously, there have been no analogous U.S. efforts to “de-jihadize” Islamic public culture even as the United States has spent lives, limbs, money and years trying, essentially, to stop the jihad in the Islamic Middle East — not even, to take a manageable example, in the U.S.-funded Palestinian Authority, where state-run media continue to incite Islamically motivated violence against Jews and Americans. And then there are all those U.S.-fostered constitutions that enshrine Sharia law — just the sort of ideological concession our forebears would never have made.
– Diana West (JWR)

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 11:58 PM

SPirit,
“There is NO WAY he can go out and inflame Islam and still have access to Turkey, Kuwait, SA, etc”

Not just the Muslim nations – there would have been even less cooperation than did happen from other non-Muslim nations, and internally from the Democrats. And how would we have been able to get any cooperation in Afghanistan?

exhelodrvr on May 24, 2008 at 11:59 PM

exhelodrvr on May 24, 2008 at 11:59 PM

Exactly right. Like dropping a proverbial hand grenade on the recruiting of allies.

Spirit of 1776 on May 25, 2008 at 12:10 AM

MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 11:58 PM

The reason that comparison doesn’t work is because we didn’t need Germany to host us in a fight against Nazism. We need to be able to strike at AQ. That means we need bases in unfriendly parts of the world. That’s just a sad fact.

Dianna West is wrong. We’ve made all kinds of ideological concessions. Tolerated slavery for example. Tolerated bribery and blackmail until we built up a Navy. When you are playing from a position of strength (as when reorganizing a defeated enemy) you have luxuries you don’t have when you are still in a fight. As we are now – globally.

We have to pick our battles.

Spirit of 1776 on May 25, 2008 at 12:14 AM

We have to pick our battles.

Spirit of 1776 on May 25, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Trying to build nations with Islam enshrined in their constitutions is like battling a head cold by cutting off your head.

In a recent survey 37% of ex Army Officers said that Iran had gained the most from our Iraq war, 21% said China and only 20% said the U.S. We are in effect making war against ourselves.

MB4 on May 25, 2008 at 12:21 AM

Trying to build nations with Islam enshrined in their constitutions is like battling a head cold by cutting off your head.

I’m not really going to argue that point. I don’t think everyone that supports fighting AQ supports nation-building. The link I offered above testifies, I think, that regardless of rhetoric, the administration is not above a strongman. So some of our declarations have to be taken as ideals. We can’t de-Islamify every constitution without conquering the world. Which defeats the purpose of having them have elections in the first place.

How do those percentages vary when you factor in the guys that re-up’d?

Spirit of 1776 on May 25, 2008 at 12:32 AM