Kerry: Let’s talk to Iran to “reclaim the moral high ground”
posted at 5:21 pm on May 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Behold the “global test” in action. Pray tell, dear Waffles, from whom will we be reclaiming it?
Dialogue helps us isolate Ahmadinejad rather than empowering him to isolate us. More important, even if we fail to reach an agreement, engaging Iran will spark three conversations likely to strengthen our position…
The third conversation is with the world. By engaging Iran, we reclaim the moral high ground — no small feat. If Iran refuses to budge, we have new leverage to expose it as a threat whose bad intentions cannot be explained away.
I’m curious to hear how Iran’s intentions might otherwise be “explained away.” Presumably he believes, as Obama does, that “Iran’s support for militant groups in Iraq reflected its anxiety over the Bush administration’s policies in the region,” but as I’ve noted before, that theory fails to account for the fact that both Hezbollah and the nuclear program were in business long before Bush came to power. Even under the most blinkered, charitable reading of the regime’s behavior, that they’re fighting some sort of defensive war instead of engaging in fundamentalist expansionism (or something even darker), their “anxiety” over Israel’s capabilities will remain no matter what sort of deal we reach with them. How far is Kerry willing to go to ease Iran’s troubled mind? Or to put it differently, after years of negotiations with Europe plus an offer of unspecified concessions from the United States in 2006 which, per Condi Rice, apparently remains on the table, at what point will it be safe to conclude that Iran has refused to budge? This goes to the heart of conservatives’ fears about Obama, not that he’d be willing to talk to Iran before considering a military option but that he’ll never consider a military option, no matter how dire the threat may become. It’s diplomacy literally unto death, which I think is why so many righties equate his rhetoric about negotiation with appeasement. To borrow a favorite concept of the left, how about some benchmarks up front to gauge whether progress in negotiations is sufficient to warrant further diplomacy or whether it’s time to consider other options?
The other two “conversations” he has in mind, incidentally, are with the Iranian people, who supposedly need to be formally informed that their government’s earning them a bad name internationally even after two rounds of UN sanctions, and with the regime itself, which may ultimately warm to a deal “at the right moment” even though Democrats are hellbent on removing any leverage we might have in moving the warming process along. Exit question one: If Obama does meet with Iran, it’ll be perfectly okay if McCain tries to undermine his presidential authority by badmouthing him abroad, right? Exit question two, per Kerry’s reminder that Ahmadinejad is “neither Iran’s supreme leader nor someone whom Obama specifically promised to meet”: If he’s so inconsequential a figure, why did Waffles himself single him out as the world leader he’d most like to throw off a cliff two years ago?
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Exactly.
Kerry’s dim view of this country exposes a political stance far to the left of the place where most people view him. He truly thinks ill of the U.S., in ways that never fail to shock me.
Jaibones on May 24, 2008 at 5:28 PM
We RECLAIM the moral high ground???
Padded cell time!
allrsn on May 24, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Let’s see Kerry’s official service records including his medical records . . . then we’ll see if he even knows where the moral high ground is. This is the same guy that spent a short 4 months in Vietnam mining for medals then went home and trashed his comrades in arms. He’s a pure unmitigated, despicable phony.
rplat on May 24, 2008 at 5:33 PM
This is just the kind of blind rhetoric that the left wants to hear. With Bush in control, the US has become the most deplorable nation on earth, according to them. Even if they don’t believe it, they’re not ashamed to reach out to their radical based and offer Obama as an appeal to reason, to hope, to all the nice things that will make everyone love America again. It will make them like they did before 9/11…oh wait.
jimmy the notable on May 24, 2008 at 5:33 PM
The U.N. and State Department way. It avoids unpleasantness and everyone feels good about themselves. Under Obama, I suspect the State Department would triple in size.
a capella on May 24, 2008 at 5:34 PM
As I think back to how relieved I was that Sen. Kerry was not elected in 2004 it saddens me to think that even with this latest display of his unfitness for the Presidency he scores far higher than Sen. Obama. It worried me in 2004 that Sen. Kerry might become President. It terrifies me that the genial, well-meaning, and utterly over his head Sen. Obama stands a decent chance at the job in 2008.
Jill1066 on May 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM
There are times when I miss my dear Massachusetts. Like Dunkin Donuts Coffee or my Red Sox. Then I hear this guy speak and I realize some things are worth the sacrifice. You would think he would keep his mouth shut. I mean we want to keep the Swift Boats away this year right?
brotherbell on May 24, 2008 at 5:36 PM
President Obama? Yeah, that’s scary. He’s quite the clueless liberal idiot. Similar to Kerry. But I have good news for you! There is a sure fire way to assure that Obama will be elected president this november, and many readers here have expressed their desire to help make that happen.
wise_man on May 24, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Didn’t Kerry stop being relevant in November of 2004?
Somebody, please, give him the memo.
Hawkins1701 on May 24, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Conversation?
AP: Are you sure that Kerry didn’t say American need to have a conversion to “reclaim the moral high ground”?!?
Now, that would sound more in tune with the tone of Waffles.
Heh.
Lockstein13 on May 24, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Kerry is brilliant.
If the talks fail, the world will come rushing to our side and join us in isolating Iran.
Russia, China and others will see the errors in their policies towards Iran and help us.
See, Russia and China aren’t motivated by their own national interest. No, they are not joining with us because of the cowboy diplomacy of Bush and the neocons. Once we embrace a progressive, open policy with Iran, the Russians and Chinese (among others) will assist us in sanctioning the Mullahs.
By the way, I’m Peter Pan.
SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 5:46 PM
“Woo Hoo! look at me! Look At Me! LOOK AT ME!”
J. F’in Kerry. Soon to be the SENIOR senator from Massachusetts. Guess he wasn’t shedding too many tears at Teddy’s announcement…
bofh on May 24, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Oh yeah, that’s totally gonna happen.
:)
wise_man on May 24, 2008 at 5:48 PM
I think this douche’s view of America was formed at an anti-war rally in 1968, and is refreshed only during his annual trip to Davos.
Jaibones on May 24, 2008 at 5:50 PM
But, as I wrote, I’m Peter Pan. And if you wish it hard enough, it will happen.
SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Before I hit the Senator Obama part, I was sure you were going to throw in President Peanut. An Obama presidency would certainly be a second term for Jimmuh.
Buford Gooch on May 24, 2008 at 5:51 PM
pariah.
phronesis on May 24, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Is it just me, or does that picture on the front look like the caption should be ‘Which way did he go George, which way did he go? I want a little bunny rabbit for my very very own.’
bikermailman on May 24, 2008 at 6:03 PM
John F’ing Kerry and Baka Obama: who says that ya need brains to be a lawyer?
thekingtut on May 24, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Back when Clinton was president, Kerry didn’t seem to believe that talks were necessary:
ToddonCapeCod on May 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM
Sen Kerry was far more effective in that NASA sperm suit than in this.
Additionally, Sen Kerry seems to think Iran has the capability to “isolate” the US. Of course he thinks such nonsense, negotiating with thugocracies like Iran means treating them as an equal to us, moral equivalence is a staple of the left.
Weebork on May 24, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Looks to me that we’ll have to play our missile defense card with Russia and China.
They must help us isolate Iran; if they don’t, we’ll go ahead with providing missile defense batteries in Eastern Europe and Taiwan/Japan.
Missile defense effectively neutralizes the vast sums that they’ve diverted to build ballistic missiles.
They help us; we don’t deploy it.
SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 6:17 PM
HAHA, i just LOVE photos of this dude…poor guy can’t get a break in front of a camera…dickweed…
surrounded on May 24, 2008 at 6:18 PM
I think we could regain the moral high ground by bombing Iran into submission. Destroy all of their nuclear research facilities, all of the military structure and target their leadership. That message would be loud and clear. Keep your training, explosives and agents out of our sphere of influence or die.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on May 24, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Lurch wouldn’t know moral high ground if he was buried up to his neck in it.
Merovign on May 24, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Among other consequences, the price of oil will be $200 a barrel; the world will blame us for the spike. Iranian terrorists will be activated throughout the world.
And the US will be blamed for all of it.
We’ll be crucified for the act.
We may have to do it; but let’s be realistic as to how the rest of the world will view us.
It won’t be kindly.
SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 6:25 PM
The “third conversation is with the world”. What does Kerry think the Bush Administration has been doing with Britain, France, and Germany all these years, regarding Iran?
We should have a conversation with the Iranian people. Radio Free Persia, without Ahmadinejad. Tell THEM (if they don’t already know) that trade and prosperity will return when Ahmadinejad gives up his nukes, and let them decide what to do about it.
Steve Z on May 24, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Don’t believe in beating around the bush do ya? ;)
surrounded on May 24, 2008 at 6:26 PM
J F Kerry’s forte and aim in practically all his foreign policy is the breaking of our faith with the allies we already have. To unilaterally begin new negotiations after getting other allies to stick their neck out and sanction Iran would be a terrible betrayal. This is what passes for leadership in the democratic party? These actions and words by this pathetic man are designed to isolate us. Indeed, I believe the Democrats are isolationists.
Beto Ochoa on May 24, 2008 at 6:29 PM
I think that Jawn Carrie has been having too many conversations with his own ego.
Maybe he and TahRaySuh can invite Ahmadaboutjihad to their salon to discuss their issues.
Are those his own teeth?
onlineanalyst on May 24, 2008 at 6:39 PM
With all due respect Mr Kerry, before you claim yourself to be a leader you must demonstrate leadership.
Now go back to bottling catsup and whatever it is that you preening dilettantes do in DC.
bloviator on May 24, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Whats the current score?
How many million has Kerry received from the swift boaters so far???? What ZERO you say??
allrsn on May 24, 2008 at 7:02 PM
My apologies. Meant to be more specific.
bloviator on May 24, 2008 at 7:04 PM
Johnny Kerry, still stuck on stupid.
GarandFan on May 24, 2008 at 7:16 PM
Yes, which is exactly how people like Obama (and Kerry) see them. After all, the last thing we want to do is to promote the idea of “American exceptionalism,” right Barry? He can’t wait to lead us to the “post-America world” (the title and subject of a book he was photographed with the other day). Barry wants to turn this country into another third-world Socialist cesspool, with little or no influence in world affairs. Park your vehicles, turn off your AC and/or heat, and stop buying groceries, America. The rest of the world doesn’t like it when Americans live comfortably, and Obama doesn’t like it either (except, of course, when the Americans in question are the Obamas and their friends).
AZCoyote on May 24, 2008 at 7:18 PM
John Kerry’s not so secret any longer MySpace entry:
Hi there fellow bloggers. My name is United States Senator John Forbes Kerry from the great state of Massachusetts. You can call me JFK if you want. I was born on December 11, 1943, although people tell me that I look at least 20 years younger. It’s probably my great hair and rugged good looks.
I graduated from Yale in June 1966 in the top 1% of my class. To earn extra money during the summers, I loaded trucks in a grocery warehouse and sold encyclopedias door to door. That is probably one of the reasons that I am so humble. Over my four years at Yale, I maintained a 96 grade average and received a 101 average in my senior year.
I am one of the most senior members of that grand and much loved and respected institution known as the U.S. Senate. Probably the only living Senator even a little bit greater than me is my dear friend Ted Moore Kennedy. I also have a very high IQ. Very high. At least 250 on a bad day. Much higher than that creep who stole the election from me. I know that he stole it because exit polls are never ever wrong.
I am also a great war hero. I set all kinds of records for heroism when I was in Vietnam. I was grievously wounded at least three times yet continued to insist on staying in the fight when lesser men would have given up. I won the bronze star with extra V’s for extra valor and the Silver Star for defeating a whole battalion of NVA with my bare hands.
Sometimes I feel like a had to carry all the water for those other ungrateful swiftboaters.
I sometimes like to chill out after a long day of serving the American people by having a double martini with my good friend Ted. We usually have a servant bring 21 double martinis. I get one and Ted gets one for each of his fingers and each of his toes. Contrary to what some of my very few enemies say I never marry women for just their money. They must also have a pulse. BTW, did I mention that I was in Vietnam? I was also in Cambodia, so don’t forget that!
I would like to think that I am open minded, honest, polite, heroic and trustworthy. And I appreciate the same qualities in others although I am realistic enough to know that no one else could come close to me.
Turn offs: other politicians who spend more on haircuts than I do. That is just not right.
Who I’d like to meet:
…other progressive bloggers. Other great war heroes who hate that damn S-T-U-P-I-D Texan in the White House and those lying sons of bitcher swiftboat bastardos whose pants are on fire! Cool people who live close to Washington D.C. so that we can get together, talk about you for about 30 seconds and then spend about 9 hours talking about me. BTW, did I mention that I was in Vietnam and Cambodia? Just one more BTW, if anyone has found my magic hat please return to me. Maybe the Iranians have my magic hat? All the more reason to talk to them.
MB4 on May 24, 2008 at 7:52 PM
With Kerry, reclaim is an oddly chosen word. To reclaim is necessary when you abandon something in order to repossess. Well, Kerry abandoned all reason long ago, and he might want to attempt to reclaim the ability to think straight. But the high moral ground was never Kerry’s to begin with, so he might want to CLAIM it now, but can’t reclaim what was never his. Conservatives have maintained the high moral ground, and have no need to reclaim what is still their possession. RINOs might need to reclaim what they abused and abandoned. But since Kerry is a jackass, he’s left wishing on a star.
maverick muse on May 24, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Hanoi John should threaten to show the Iranians his super secret dishonorable discharge papers and service records. Those are certain to have Ahmanutjob begging for tender mercy.
viking01 on May 24, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Lurch is mererly taking part in standard damage control. Barry stepped in it big time and now Democrat elders must come in to rescue the messiah by repeating the same stupid stuff as if it were a revelation. SOP for handling majorly-stupid-statements-about-which-you-know-nothing situations.
Over30 on May 24, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Touché, Très Bien! Moles.
maverick muse on May 24, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Are these guys done with their waffle?
Chuck Schick on May 24, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Here is the bottom line:
The U.S. will be forced to announce publicly that it was doing backdoor negotiations with Iran if it fails to stop Iran from building the Nuclear Bomb.
At the end of the day, Israel will do the mission providing that the U.S. troops withdraw from Iraq, which it will not happen in the near future, so expect Iran to build the Bomb and nobody can do a blessed thing about it.
Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Allah, that picture of John Kerry resembles a cheesy TV game show host asking: Are you gonna go for what’s behind the curtain or keep the 50 bucks?
RMR on May 24, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Every time Jawn opens his elitist piehole, something obtuse, ridiculous and weak dribbles out.
This time is no exception.
And, is it just me, or are Barack and Jawn some sort of “separated at birth”, pair?
heldmyw on May 24, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Israel simply cannot – and will not – allow Iran to develop a bomb.
Full stop.
SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 9:07 PM
The fear is:
It will open a can of worms, just like Bush opened the Iraqi one.
That is why dealing with Iran is being very carefully calculated.
Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Yes and yes.
But the alternative may be worse. And that’s not even considering Israel.
At the very least one will see a nuclear arms race in the Middle East as I’m sure the Sunni powers will simply not accept a nuclear armed Shi’a nation threatening their interests.
And how will the Gulf states react to an Iranian bomb? Away from the US and more conciliatory towards Iran?
I can see this being more of a Sunni vs. Shi’a matter more than Israel versus Iran.
Anyone who wants to be President and inherit this is simply nuts. It’s just not worth it.
SteveMG on May 24, 2008 at 9:42 PM
The Nuclear race started already in the Middle-East.
Egypt, for example, is in the process of building several nuclear reactors, Jordan has Uranium, Saudi Arabia and the UAE will build them too.
Again, the presence of U.S. troops in the Arabia (or Persian) Gulf and in Iraq is a big problem.
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 9:49 PM
The moral high ground?
Obviously Kerry is a legend in his own mind as well as
his world view,I guess the history of Iran was taught
in two different camps!
1/ The first camp,knows all about the murdering and
terrorist activities of Iran for the last 40 years
including the on going activities directed at the
Israels and Americans!
2/ The second camp are those that have been indocturnated
in the Liberal schools who see Iran as a victim by Israel
and America that just wants peaceful nuclear energy!
And the youth who discuss Iran, are seeing Iran from a
viewpoint of niave young minds that have not been taught
or educated at the horrors of Iranian shit-distrubing
around the planet!
John Kerry can’t be that obtuse,but he still fits in camp
number two!
canopfor on May 24, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Man, this is so dim-witted it deserves the blue bunny-suit pic.
eeyore on May 24, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Kerry: Reaching the Higher Ground Through Smoking Crack. I mean Medical Cocaine
- The Cat
MirCat on May 24, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 8:39 PM
“Can of worms” or not, in games theory the losing side is usually the side that absorbs the first hit. I know many are afraid of a war with Iran but it is coming no matter who is in the White House and whether we leave Iraq or not.
The question that needs to be asked by those of you who are afraid of a new war is at what price peace?
It’ll be bloody and messy but our military can do the job now before there are nukes on the table.
rest assured that when there are nukes on the table the butchers bill will be unthinkable…
Just by scanning the media in the mideast it is obvious everyone is preparing for war right now.
elduende on May 24, 2008 at 10:22 PM
The U.S. Military in the Middle-East will be the victim, make no mistake about it, whether Iran has the Bomb or not.
If that’s the price to pay to have peace and save the Oil, then I don’t know what to say. Ask the American people and especially the soldiers’ families if that’s what they want.
I understand the confidence about our military power, but remember, Iran is not Iraq.
Remember also that even though Iraq had no Military, we failed to completely secure that nation so far after 5 years of the invasion.
You don’t need a regular Military to defeat Israel and America. I think it has been very obvious in the recent years, not to mention the Russian defeat in Afghanistan.
We live in a different world where tanks and other common and historically known weapons became irrelevant.
I don’t have a clear solution now for that problem, but I laid out the risks and only daily events on the ground will dictate the next steps.
Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 10:40 PM
To clarify, I was not talking about invading Iran. But the mere fact of bombing it, will raise hell on our troops in the Middle-East.
If America is ready to sacrify huge human losses, so be it.
Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 10:40 PM
I don’t understand the mentality that casts our military as a victim. The last people that will accept your characterization of our military as victims is our military. All of us volunteered to put on the uniform and to do what was necessary to safeguard those that haven’t felt the need to sacrifice for the country.
I know many have misconceptions of what a war with iran will look like and some of those misconceptions serve certain political viewpoints but an occupation of iran is not in the cards. However there is no need to occupy Iran in order to defang Iran (especially of their strategic strike capability and regime infrastructure). If the oppressed Iranian minorities do not rise after we start hitting the governing apparatus then they are beyond hope.
It fact it is the irrational fear of conflict by our left and the constant hand wringing and active subversion of our efforts in Iraq that has sent the wrong signals to the Iranians and that ironically have made war possible now.
elduende on May 24, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Concerning the Military, war is not a game. Careful calculations must be made including assessing losses.
And again I never hinted to invading Iran, which will be a complete suicide.
Sleep time for me.
Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Indy Conservative on May 24, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Sleep time for me.
Whoops. Was I responding to someone who has a bedtime. sorry.
elduende on May 24, 2008 at 11:46 PM
If the GOP had either brains or backbone, things like this would ensure that the Dems would be marginalized for decades to come.
Talk about waving the white flag.
Cylor on May 24, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Traitor is as traitor does….
Dale in Atlanta on May 24, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Hey Johnny Rice Wound: I got a better idea.
Lets make sure we have the REAL high ground so’s we can prevent Israel’s and our own butts being blown up by the insane guys that will control Iran’s nukes.
When Tel Aviv and New York city are in smoldering, glowing ruins, the moral high ground (plus five thousand bucks) MIGHT buy you a bottle of your wife’s Ketchup.
LegendHasIt on May 25, 2008 at 1:57 AM
Yeah, I’m a baby. I’m 90 year young going 80.
Indy Conservative on May 25, 2008 at 5:57 AM
There has been no “active subversion of our efforts in Iraq”. Congress has passed every one of Bush’s funding bills for Iraq, including the supplementals. Don’t go Dolchstosslegende now.
MB4 on May 25, 2008 at 6:42 AM
Kerry, Obama, Clinton, et al…. Remember this story from just a few days ago.
http://jeffemanuel.net/paul-kanjorski-pa-11-admits-democrats-lied-about-being-able-to-end-war-in-iraq
These critters are simply fishing for the lie that will get the most traction with those Americans that would literally follow them off a cliff if the right cord of emotions are played in symphony.
Keemo on May 25, 2008 at 9:40 AM
It will open a can of worms, just like Bush opened the Iraqi one.It will open a can of whupp-ass that will first attract and then kill jihadis by the shitload, just like Bush opened the Iraqi one.
That’s better.
drunyan8315 on May 25, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Cylor on May 24, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Much truth to that statement Cylor.
Traitor is as traitor does….
Dale in Atlanta on May 24, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Couldn’t agree more Dale. Hard to believe that this traitor came within a few million votes from owning the most powerful position in the world. Betray your country; stand with us as we fight the righteous battle against the evil empire, and you could wind up president of the USA… Hard to believe that Kerry’s behavior lead him on a path to become the leader of the free world! Exactly why we must not relax when it comes to fighting Liberalism; exactly why we must find leaders who will fight the righteous fight against Liberalism rather than appease their wishes. The methods implemented by Liberals are very similar to those of the terrorists; apply your will each day, each week, each month; win small victories, have patience and keep the pressure on; steady relentless pressure by way of the media and other messengers.
They own Hollywood, television, 99% of the news papers & magazines, unionized employment, prime time news; they own the messenger and they are taking our country to the left one day at a time…
Keemo on May 25, 2008 at 9:57 AM
I weep for the people of Massachusetts. Their soon to be senior senator is as moronic as their soon to be former senior senator.
john1schn on May 25, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Let’s talk to Iran while jean-Francois “le Traiteur” Kerre` can continue to bad-mouth and lie about our troops. What was his last lie, they’re stupid, they wake up women and children in the middle of the night? What a disgusting creep!
GeneSmith on May 25, 2008 at 10:12 AM
All Hail Botox Rex The Ketchup King!
This week’s poster child for Term Limitation in The Senate!
Idiot!
pilamaye on May 25, 2008 at 11:05 AM
MB4
You have narrow definitions of these things. Here are Congressmen Jim McDermott, David Bonior, and Mike Thompson in Baghdad undermining US policy while on a junket paid for by Saddam Hussein. The “General Betray-Us” ad was subversive. Fahrenheit 9/11 was basically enemy propaganda. There’s plenty of reasons why Iran might get the impression that we can’t get our act together.
shazbat on May 25, 2008 at 12:02 PM
When will this guy choke on ketchup?
geminicontender on May 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM
HALP JON CARY. PLEZE TAK TO IRRAN.
jgapinoy on May 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM
By way of powerlineblog, Barry Rubin itemizes the disingenuousness of Obama’s theory of dialogue with Iran. For all of his accumulated years, Kerry has not achieved any wisdom in foreign relations or otherwise.
BTW How is Kerry’s bid for re-election going? Does his opponent stand a chance of dethroning the poser?
onlineanalyst on May 25, 2008 at 5:58 PM
The people of Massachusetts elected both of them. Who are the morons here?
As Uncle Teddy approaches his judgment before Christ, I wonder if he’ll confess anything to the public like what really happened when he killed that young lady when he was driving drunk. He’ll probably take the party line and simply lie and deny, lie and deny. We’ll see.
Mojave Mark on May 26, 2008 at 10:08 AM
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