Biden’s disingenuity on “talks”

posted at 10:30 am on May 23, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Joe Biden tries rescuing Barack Obama from himself in the Wall Street Journal today, and predictably does so by attacking the Bush administration. He gives a long list of the woes of the world, blames them all on Bush, and then pulls a sleight-of-hand to distract from Obama’s own position. Suddenly, all Obama wants are “talks” between the US and Iran:

Beyond bluster, how would Mr. McCain actually deal with these dangers? You either talk, you maintain the status quo, or you go to war. If Mr. McCain has ruled out talking, we’re stuck with an ineffectual policy or military strikes that could quickly spiral out of control.

No one has ruled out “talks”. Even the Bush administration has encouraged “talks”. We have had direct diplomatic contact with Iran on issues of Iraq’s security, from which Iran withdrew, not the US. The Bush administration has repeatedly endorsed the EU-3 negotiations with Iran over their nuclear-weapons program and uranium enrichment activities. Obama wanted a lot more than talks:

QUESTION: In 1982, Anwar Sadat traveled to Israel, a trip that resulted in a peace agreement that has lasted ever since.

In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?

OBAMA: I would.

Obama pledged direct, presidential talks with the heads of states that support international terrorism, including that which kills American soldiers — without preconditions. Biden tries walking that back, too:

Sen. Obama is right that the U.S. should be willing to engage Iran on its nuclear program without “preconditions” – i.e. without insisting that Iran first freeze the program, which is the very subject of any negotiations. He has been clear that he would not become personally involved until the necessary preparations had been made and unless he was convinced his engagement would advance our interests.

No, in fact Obama was very clear that he would conduct talks with these leaders because the talks themselves would advance our national interests. Besides, why would we want to give presidential meetings to leaders who fund Hezbollah, Hamas, and FARC in proxy wars with our close allies without demanding an end to terrorist support first? Are we so weak that we have no standing to demand an end to their backing of international terrorism before we raise their standing with presidential summits?

If they can access the president of the United States and the free world while still funding terrorism, hasn’t that endorsed those very policies?

Instead of regime change, we should focus on conduct change. We should make it very clear to Iran what it risks in terms of isolation if it continues to pursue a dangerous nuclear program but also what it stands to gain if it does the right thing. That will require keeping our allies in Europe, as well as Russia and China, on the same page as we ratchet up pressure.

It also requires a much more sophisticated understanding than Mr. Bush or Mr. McCain seem to possess that by publicly engaging Iran – including through direct talks – we can exploit cracks within the ruling elite, and between Iran’s rulers and its people, who are struggling economically and stifled politically.

This is just obtuse on several levels. Since at least 2005, the Bush administration has publicly pledged sponsorship into the WTO, a restoration of full diplomatic relations, and an end to economic sanctions for Iran if they verifiably give up their nuclear weapons programs. They have refused to do so, and we have made “very clear” the consequences of that decision. That has been the policy of the Bush administration for the last several years. Has Biden been on vacation since Kerry lost the election in 2004?

Biden completely jumps the shark when he attempts to explain how Obama meeting with Ahmadinejad will “exploit cracks within the ruling elite”. How exactly will it do that? Such a meeting will only bolster the standing of Ahmadinejad and the hardline clerics that support him. It will discourage the very people Biden hopes to help from pressing for change in the mullahcracy. People do not rebel against success, they rise up in response to failure.

Obama’s foreign policy hasn’t just revealed him as an inch-deep, mile-wide politician. It has exposed Joe Biden as much the same — and he’s supposedly the frontrunner for a Secretary of State nod in an Obama administration.

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Like Mike Huckabee, Joe Diden is like a whore on the look out.

Why are we even mentioning his name?

Indy Conservative on May 23, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Since BO plagiarized all those “Just Words” speeches, it’s no wonder that Biden would be his biggest fan.

jgapinoy on May 23, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Diden? Um …no correction.

Indy Conservative on May 23, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Being a liberal means never having to think.

Akzed on May 23, 2008 at 10:34 AM

Biden was, is, and always will be a flaming idiot and a political whore.

rplat on May 23, 2008 at 10:37 AM

In fact Mr. Biden, you anencephalic dolt, Hussein made up his policy of talking with monsters in answer to a debate question in July suggest such meetings. He had never discussed this publicly before then. Ipso facto, what was blurted out thoughtlessly from the top of his hollow head has now become a centerpiece of his foreign policy.

Akzed on May 23, 2008 at 10:38 AM

We should tell the voters of Delaware that we get the joke, very funny. You can replace him now.

RBMN on May 23, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Ummm, Biden is on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Does that not include Iran?

I’m so confused.

bridgetown on May 23, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Anybody check to see if Biden plagarized his rant from another moonbat web site?

David in ATL on May 23, 2008 at 10:43 AM

It also requires a much more sophisticated understanding than Mr. Bush or Mr. McCain seem to possess

What a stinking corpse.

mymanpotsandpans on May 23, 2008 at 10:44 AM

Biden was, is, and always will be a flaming idiot and a political whore.

rplat on May 23, 2008 at 10:37 AM

I take a certain comfort in recognizing that these two-bit politicians who are so in the limelight today (Byrd, Kennedy, Biden, Waters, etc.)will be so completely forgotten by history as to have almost never existed. To some extent, that’s a good reason to ignore them now completely. Let’s hope the same is soon true for one Barak Obama. May your grandchildren one day say “who?”, when the question comes up in Trivial Pursuit 2020 edition.

JiangxiDad on May 23, 2008 at 10:47 AM

What’s disappointing to me about this election is that elections give the politicians to learn about their policies as the policies are scrutinized for errors or unpopularity. Sadly, our candidates appear anxious not to learn. Obama doesn’t seem to understand foreign policy any better now than at the beginning of the campaign. Similarly, McCain still doesn’t get that he shouldn’t push open borders down the throat of the American people.

If Obama were to say he was naive at the beginning of the campaign, but he’d always consult experienced foreign policy hands before making a decision, I wouldn’t hold it against him. If Obama were to say he was wrong in what he said at the debate, I wouldn’t hold it against him. I fear that many people would accuse Obama of “flip-flopping” or say he lacks the knowledge and experience of being president. But being president is too tough of job for one man. A president needs good advisors. At the very least, we should relent some on screaming “flip-flop” at politicians. Let’s give them the chance to learn. Obama may turn out to be a worse president, because of the intolerance we show towards candidates learning to be president.

(On the other hand, we do remember that Reagan made the decision to ignore his experienced advisors on some foreign policy issues and he was right. Or Lincoln being a better general than his generals until Grant came along. But, these are rare cases and we don’t want to encourage hubris in our presidents.)

thuja on May 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM

The Bush administration has repeatedly endorsed the EU-3 negotiations with Iran over their nuclear-weapons program and uranium enrichment activities.

How’s that working out? Looks like a slam dunk, so far. For Iran, I mean. They’re 4 years closer to success, and have stuck their thumb in the West’s eye in front of the whole world.

a capella on May 23, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Joe Blowhard Biden: Yet another reason why we need Term Limitation in the Senate.

This clown is one of the absolute worst!

Tom Harkin comes in a close second!

pilamaye on May 23, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Mr. Bush has turned a small number of radical groups that hate America into a 10-foot tall existential monster that dictates every move we make.

A “religion” with a doctrine for world domination having 1 billion followers funded by petrodollars is no big deal for the Community Organizer™.

mred on May 23, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Biden says terrorism isn’t a threat then says Al Qaeda is a threat because it is the strongest it’s been since 9/11.

How can he stand still with his head spinning so fast?

indythinker on May 23, 2008 at 10:55 AM

How much Mullah money has he accepted?

Pam on May 23, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Obfuscation? No way!
BTW, Ed, did you see Obama talking about Rashid Khalid yesterday? Here’s Jeralyn writing about it.

MayBee on May 23, 2008 at 11:03 AM

Instead of regime change, we should focus on conduct change. We should make it very clear to Iran what it risks in terms of isolation if it continues to pursue a dangerous nuclear program but also what it stands to gain if it does the right thing.

Wait, I confused. Aren’t these “pre-conditions”?

Anybody check to see if Biden plagarized his rant from another moonbat web site?

David in ATL on May 23, 2008 at 10:43 AM

And while I’m at it, I thought I was reading another Special Comment from KO, what with all the “Mr.” Bush this and “Mr.” Bush that. It’s President Bush to you, Mr. Biden!

JohnnyD on May 23, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Joe Biden’s “expertise” in foreign policy is based on the following:
1) Joe Biden was suspended for several semesters from Syracuse University Law School for plaigirizing a term paper. Biden was supposed to be expelled from Syracuse but begged to be readmitted after his suspension.
2) Biden claimed that he was in the top of his class but records at Syracuse showed that Biden was in the bottom ten percent of his class.
3) Biden not only stole a speech from British Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock but Biden stole Kinnock’s biography.
Kinnock talked about his grandfather working in the coal mines for 16 hours and then playing “football” for several hours after emerging from the coal mine. Biden changed that to his own grandfather. The only problem with that was the amusing fact that no member of Biden’s family ever worked in the coal mines. Biden scrambled and said he was referring to his wife’s family. There was a problem with that as well. The SOLE member of Biden’s wife’s family ever to work in the coal industry was a management guy. He never went down into the mines himself. He was more likely the guy who denied brown lung benefits to the miners!
Then Biden was too uneducated to even know that when Neil Kinnock referred to grandpa playing “football” for several hours after being in the mines for 16 hours, Kinnock was referring to soccer. Biden thought Kinnock was talking about American style tackle football. Nobody could recall rollicking soccer games next to the coal mine. Biden is actually so comical that I enjoy having him around. Recall that Biden is the same guy who congratulated Barack Obama for being “clean”. Biden apparently thought he was complimenting African-Americans by pointing to Obama’s cleanliness.

Larraby on May 23, 2008 at 11:08 AM

MayBee on May 23, 2008 at 11:03 AM

Wow. Thanks for the link.
Scary

bridgetown on May 23, 2008 at 11:10 AM

Turd

omnipotent on May 23, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Minor point, Sadat was dead in 1982. His visit to Israel happened five years earlier than the original quesioner cited.

Read this late last night, made we want to punch Biden in the face. What a weasel.

raybury on May 23, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Have no fear.

My crystal-ball says, Israel will settle the issue, long before we get involved.

franksalterego on May 23, 2008 at 11:22 AM

Biden prostrates himself to the Obamessiah for the VP spot.

drjohn on May 23, 2008 at 11:28 AM

How’s that working out? Looks like a slam dunk, so far. For Iran, I mean. They’re 4 years closer to success, and have stuck their thumb in the West’s eye in front of the whole world.

a capella on May 23, 2008 at 10:52 AM

You’re right, let’s just give them what they want and prop up the current regime – while we’re at it, why don’t we just go ahead and wipe Israel off the map for them. I’m sure they’ll really want to be our friends and cooperate with us then. Plus, everybody over there will really like us, and there will be peace and unity forever. Praise be Obama!

Rick on May 23, 2008 at 11:29 AM

There is “peace” between Israel and Egypt because the U.S. pays billions of dollars of aid every year to Egypt to keep them from causing trouble with Israel.

Is that the kind of “bold leadership” Obama and Biden think is going to make the U.S. more secure?

AZCoyote on May 23, 2008 at 11:33 AM

A “religion” with a doctrine for world domination having 1 billion followers funded by petrodollars is no big deal for the Community Organizer™.

Perfectly stated.

Richard Romano on May 23, 2008 at 11:43 AM

I was wondering if there was going to be a thread on this incredible vapidity. Thanks Cap’n.

I am so tired of these jerks pee-pantsingly complain that “because of Bush, the whole world hates America.” Well, who’s that? Iran? The Norks? They were our best buddies before Bush. No, they mean France. Unfortunate, as France has actually become closer friends (or at least their elected leadership has) since Bush. Germany too. Italy too.
Their worldview is likened to a high school popularity contest.

Rhinoboy on May 23, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Joe who?

ctmom on May 23, 2008 at 12:38 PM

Biden says terrorism isn’t a threat then says Al Qaeda is a threat because it is the strongest it’s been since 9/11.

How can he stand still with his head spinning so fast?

indythinker on May 23, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Because he is on a gyroscope…if his head started spinning he would fall over.

SoCalInfidel on May 23, 2008 at 1:03 PM

oops. stopped spinning i mean

SoCalInfidel on May 23, 2008 at 1:04 PM

“I will stand with the Muslims in case the political winds shift in a ugly direction” -Barak Obama “The Audacity of Hope”

Enough said.

brtex on May 23, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Thought I understood BO when he first made the statement, then when he reiterated it and again when he posted it on his website. Apparently getting at his meaning is something like playing whack a mole. SOSDD.

obladioblada on May 23, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Joe Biden is the epitome of an articulate man who is a perfect idiot as well.

Travis1 on May 23, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Biden is the ASS that keeps on giving.

volsense on May 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Biden is a pimp.

pabarge on May 23, 2008 at 3:09 PM

he’s supposedly the frontrunner for a Secretary of State nod in an Obama administration.

A terrifying prospect.

Richard Romano on May 23, 2008 at 7:42 PM