Michael Yon on Iraq: “The progress is unbelievable”; Update: Yon’s book excluded from military bases?

posted at 11:19 am on May 22, 2008 by Allahpundit

“Why aren’t we hearing about this in the news?” asks Alisyn Camerota. Well, increasingly we are, most notably in the pages of the righty blogosphere’s favorite whipping boy. CNN traditionally has been good about reporting gains too, including having Yon himself on to explain them. As I write this, this story is beaming out to AP affiliates worldwide. The problem with the coverage is that it takes spectacular gains, like the Iraqi army rolling onto Mookie’s home turf in Sadr City, to break through the media narrative while even minor setbacks, which fit the narrative, are easily assimilated and thus coverage-worthy. How many spectacular gains will it take, I wonder, before the narrative itself starts to change. Presumably the answer is as many as it takes to warrant further troop reductions — in which case, behold.

Link: sevenload.com

Update: Your guess is as good as mine.

My publisher and literary agent have been working with the private companies who handle book distribution on military bases in order to get “Moment of Truth in Iraq” on their shelves. The process is arduous, to put it mildly.

They have succeeded in getting the book into overseas bases. But as the publisher and my agent are slowly working their way through US distributors who cover different geographic regions, they have been told “no” by the largest distributor, the Anderson News Company…

Stunning response. Over the past weeks, as my literary agent spoke to Anderson while they reviewed the book, Anderson told him that the desires of the base exchange customers would have no influence and play no role in their decision making process. Anderson also stated that even appeals from high ranking military officers could not persuade Anderson to carry a title. Apparently, in Anderson’s mind, they outrank the Joint Chiefs of Staff when it comes to doing business on military bases.

Follow the link for Anderson’s contact information.

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NAW, NAW, I can’t hear, my fingers are in my ears and I am saying NAW, NAW…AP report May, 22, 2008

right2bright on May 22, 2008 at 11:22 AM

The critics of Bush, who says he can’t run a war, that he is inept; will now begin explaining how all this is getting better simply for the timing of the elections.
Suddenly Bush will be a mastermind at manipulating the war to precision timing with the conventions and elections.

right2bright on May 22, 2008 at 11:29 AM

See? Fox News is BIASED!

Good job Micheal, you’re the Man! Doing the job that (other so-called) American (so-called) reporters won’t do! Welcome home!

Tony737 on May 22, 2008 at 11:30 AM

I wish somehow Senator Harry Reid would be forced to watch this video, in a manner not unlike the clockwork orange scene.

Maybe he’ll apologize for his “This war is lost, the US can’t win.” proclamation from April 20th, 2007.

wise_man on May 22, 2008 at 11:34 AM

McCain needs to get out front on these troop reductions and take on Bush’s credits.

T J Green on May 22, 2008 at 11:35 AM

The Iraq situation is improving because Obama has promised the removal of US troops. This has motivated the Iraqis to take control on their own. Bush has nothing to do with it.
There, see how easy that is?
/Sarc

redshirt on May 22, 2008 at 11:36 AM

The Iraq situation is improving because Obama has promised the removal of US troops. – RedShirt

Now THERE’s a man who understands ‘nuance’! :-)

BTW, are you an Ordy?

Tony737 on May 22, 2008 at 11:43 AM

redshirt on May 22, 2008 at 11:36 AM

That’s how I expect them to play it. They will do anything to avoid giving Bush/Patreus & Co. any credit.

davidk on May 22, 2008 at 11:43 AM

Michael Yon on Iraq: “The progress is unbelievable”

If that is anything like true, pretty much all American troops should be out of Iraq within a year or so. Otherwise one is dealing with a most profound case of cognitive dissonance.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Nothing to see here, folks. Pay attention to the $4 gas prices. Move along.

Media-declared disasters that weren’t:
- Iraqi civil war
- US recession
- Obamessiah implosion (oh, wait, not quite yet … 8^)

GoHskrs on May 22, 2008 at 11:45 AM

An important point that is not talked about is the fact that the Democrats do not have the power they had at the end of the Vietnam conflict to pull the rug out from under the feet of victory and then turn around and claim they were right all along. That it was a lost cause because their ilconcieved policies turned it into a lost cause.

I think this is one specific area in which we can thank the Blue Dogs for not allowing the Democratic party to turn a bad situation into a complete and total fiasco thus self fulfilling their prophecy of defeat.

NotCoach on May 22, 2008 at 11:46 AM

I believe Michael Yon should be nominated for a Pulitzer.

crosspatch on May 22, 2008 at 11:47 AM

This despite the vicious, partisan agenda to undermine the President every step of the way in every effort, foreign or domestic. All you BDSers, he was able to keep his eye on the right ball the whole time. Soros has spent billions to insure we lose this war and this election, including allegations that he and his cronies are manipulating world oil prices to influence the election.

Get a load of this

Link TV is funded by generous grants from numerous foundations including The Annenberg Foundation, John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, Wallace Global Fund, William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Shei’rah Foundation, Open Society Institute, John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, Otto Haas Charitable Trust, and Park Foundation, as well as contributions from individual viewers.

With that we see that some of the most left leaning foundations in the country fund this thing. In fact, the king of anti-American, leftism, George Soros, is the Chairman of one of them: the Open Society Institute. It makes one despair over any claim at being “non-partisan,” doesn’t it?

eaglesdontflock on May 22, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Michael Yon is an American hero.

If the “progress is unbelievable”, can we willingly suspend disbelief now?

Steve Z on May 22, 2008 at 11:52 AM

The democrats worse nightmare is now happening. When the cowardly cadaver, Harry Reid, pronounced in the Congressonal Record that the war was lost he removed all doubt who should be trusted with our national security. The poster (redhirt) who gives the credit to Obama for this success proves the dumbing of America has advanced to the insanity phase of the process.

volsense on May 22, 2008 at 11:53 AM

The poster (RedShirt) who gives the credit to Obama for this success proves the dumbing of America has advanced to the insanity phase of the process.

He was being sarcastic.

Tony737 on May 22, 2008 at 11:55 AM

The democrats worse nightmare is now happening. When the cowardly cadaver, Harry Reid, pronounced in the Congressonal Record that the war was lost he removed all doubt who should be trusted with our national security. The poster (redhirt) who gives the credit to Obama for this success proves the dumbing of America has advanced to the insanity phase of the process.

volsense on May 22, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Redshirt was being sarcastic and indicated as much with /Sarc at the end of his post.

NotCoach on May 22, 2008 at 11:55 AM

If that is anything like true, pretty much all American troops should be out of Iraq within a year or so. Otherwise one is dealing with a most profound case of cognitive dissonance.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 11:44 AM

No its not, or else our troops would be out of Japan, Korea and Germany a long time ago. They will still be there in a limited role at the US base that the Iraqi govt. approves of.

jp on May 22, 2008 at 11:57 AM

At almost the exact same time, it is becoming increasingly apparent to anyone watching that 1) we are going to win in Iraq and that Bush will be proven right, and 2) that the global warming thing turned out to be a demonstrable hoax a good decade ahead of schedule.

It’s a tough year to be part of the “reality” (irony alert!) based community.

The irony, of course, is that reality is finally catching up with their community.

Professor Blather on May 22, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Maybe I should have actually spelled out the word “sarcastic”! Thanks all for watching my back!
Volsense is correct in one thing, however. Those that deny Bushs’ success are insane.
And tony737 I am not an ordy. Is that a military reference?

redshirt on May 22, 2008 at 12:00 PM

The democrats worse nightmare is now happening. When the cowardly cadaver, Harry Reid, pronounced in the Congressonal Record that the war was lost he removed all doubt who should be trusted with our national security. volsense on May 22, 2008 at 11:53 AM

If only there were a way to get a national tv ad out there that replays Reid’s surrender to the terrorists with the most recent news of success, as a way to punish the democrats in some tangible way. The democrats strategy is to frame John McCain as having Bush on his ticket, calling this ‘Bush’s third term.’ Well, this is what the democrats wanted, failure in Iraq, and what we have is (ultimately going to be:) success.

I would really love to see this truthful message pounded back at them.

wise_man on May 22, 2008 at 12:01 PM

If that is anything like true, pretty much all American troops should be out of Iraq within a year or so. Otherwise one is dealing with a most profound case of cognitive dissonance.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Right.

So according to your logic, things in Germany, Japan, and Korea must be going horribly! After all, we still have troops there.

Speaking of cognitive dissonance …

Professor Blather on May 22, 2008 at 12:02 PM

While the NYT may print the good stories, they print them somewhere along with the ads for Flashdancers and no where to be seen by the public. Abu grab Page 1, Victory, now thats in the coupon section.

Rbastid on May 22, 2008 at 12:02 PM

No its not, or else our troops would be out of Japan, Korea and Germany a long time ago. They will still be there in a limited role at the US base that the Iraqi govt. approves of.

jp on May 22, 2008 at 11:57 AM

Oops. Obviously I wasn’t the only one to see the logical holes big enough to drive a truck through, huh?

Professor Blather on May 22, 2008 at 12:04 PM

I am not an ordy. Is that a military reference? – Red

Yeah, in the Navy, the Ordies (ordnance men) wear red shirts. I was an Air Force Ammo guy, same thing except we wear cammies :-)

Tony737 on May 22, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Michael Yon on Iraq: “The progress is unbelievable”

spectacular gains

The Iraqi army rolling

“[Gains that there have been in Iraq are] fragile and reversible.”
- General Petraeus

“We haven’t turned any corners, we haven’t seen any lights at the end of the tunnel. The champagne bottle has been pushed to the back of the refrigerator.”
- General Petraeus

Doesn’t this sis-boom-bah Yon guy have the first clue as to how much he is sharpshooting General Petraeus? He sure doesn’t seem to.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 12:07 PM

I am not an ordy. Is that a military reference? – Red

Yeah, in the Navy, the Ordies (ordnance men) wear red shirts. I was an Air Force Ammo guy, same thing except we wear cammies :-)

Tony737 on May 22, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Star Trek reference, actually. I took an online test “which Starfleet officer are you”? I am a redshirt. I’m doomed.

redshirt on May 22, 2008 at 12:07 PM

I am not an ordy. Is that a military reference?

redshirt on May 22, 2008 at 12:00 PM

It’s your moniker that sparks the query. On a carrier, those wearing Red Shirts handle the ordinance and arm the aircraft. Those who fuel the planes wear Purple Shirts. This is for easy indentification. Thus, you would be ordy.

On topic, I really enjoyed Yon’s book. It should be required reading @ the DNC. (Of course they would just as soon burn it than read it.)

JohnnyD on May 22, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Doesn’t this sis-boom-bah Yon guy have the first clue as to how much he is sharpshooting General Petraeus? He sure doesn’t seem to.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 12:07 PM

I would be surprised if General Petraus were critical of Yon in private. Petraus had to be the most cautious person in Iraq because he was cognizant of the fact that liberals are willing to exploit any contradictions as signs that we are really losing. Not only did Petraus perform an outstanding job militarily, but he was extraordinarily adept at the politics as well.

NotCoach on May 22, 2008 at 12:13 PM

Star Trek reference, actually. I took an online test “which Starfleet officer are you”? I am a redshirt. I’m doomed.

redshirt on May 22, 2008 at 12:07 PM

OH boy, yes you are……..

JohnnyD on May 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Oops. Obviously I wasn’t the only one to see the logical holes big enough to drive a truck through, huh?

Professor Blather on May 22, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Nope. We all saw it. Utter foolishness.

thomashton on May 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM

If redshirt was being sarcastic so be it. On the surface it seemed to be stealing the thunder from the success of thousands of our troops and officers who have lived through the constant attacks from the left. These men deserve to be honored for their efforts and the timing of the sarcasm seemed like the left trying to twist the truth when it proves they where ompletely wrong. In hindsight,it did portray what the left general tries in situations like this in a comical way.

volsense on May 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Professor Blather on May 22, 2008 at 12:04 PM

yeah, combination of BDS and “IRag derangement syndrome”…its everywhere.

jp on May 22, 2008 at 12:19 PM

So according to your logic, things in Germany, Japan, and Korea must be going horribly! After all, we still have troops there.

Speaking of cognitive dissonance …

Professor Blather on May 22, 2008 at 12:02 PM

By any reasonable logic comparing Iraq to Germany, Japan or South Korea is, well, most illogical.

Do I have to start quoting and linking again on this most invalid comparison again? Did you miss the links/quotes from Diana West? I guess I will have to find some of them and comment them yet again. Speaking of deja vu all over again.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Volsense, make no mistake, the sarc tag means exactly that.

redshirt on May 22, 2008 at 12:31 PM

When the cowardly cadaver, Harry Reid

volsense on May 22, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Now, now, think of what you are saying. If Reid gets cancer or something you will have to take that back and say what a great guy he is, or not so bad anyway, and say that you will start praying for him.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 12:32 PM

MB4, you are right, Iraq shouldn’t be compared to Germany Japan, and South Korea.
However, Germany, Japan, and South Korea shouldn’t be compared to each other either. Each is a strategically different situation. Each of the 4 nations named require a continued US presence, although for radically different reasons.

redshirt on May 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM

No its not, or else our troops would be out of Japan, Korea and Germany a long time ago. They will still be there in a limited role at the US base that the Iraqi govt. approves of.

jp on May 22, 2008 at 11:57 AM

Oh there is another one. I missed that before. Looks like I will have to do it all over again.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM

volsense on May 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Good Lord, why are you attacking redshirt? He had the /sarc, we all understood and you mis-understood. Give it a rest and move on for the love of Pete.

BTW you might want to add women to your “Military” comment. Some of us women have to endure it as well as the men, if you want to speak in generalizations.

upinak on May 22, 2008 at 12:37 PM

Stop treating Sharia-supreme Iraq like post-war Japan

By Diana West

It isn’t just that the total defeat and utter devastation of Japan nullifies the comparison with Iraq (which it does). There is something else. There is the completely different U.S. approach to Japan’s animating, warlike state religion of Shintoism, which, not incidentally, bears striking similarities to the animating, warlike state religion of Islam.

In 1945, our government was of one mind regarding state Shintoism. Lewis quotes Secretary of State James F. Byrnes, who wrote: “Shintoism, insofar as it is a religion of individual Japanese, is not to be interfered with. Shintoism, however, insofar as it is directed by the Japanese government, and as a measure enforced from above by the government, is to be done away with. … There will be no place for Shintoism in the schools. Shintoism as a state religion — National Shinto, that is — will go. … Our policy on this goes beyond Shinto. … The dissemination of Japanese militaristic and ultra-nationalistic ideology in any form will be completely suppressed.”

And it was, with fabulous results.

Obviously, there have been no analogous U.S. efforts to “de-jihadize” Islamic public culture even as the United States has spent lives, limbs, money and years trying, essentially, to stop the jihad in the Islamic Middle East — not even, to take a manageable example, in the U.S.-funded Palestinian Authority, where state-run media continue to incite Islamically motivated violence against Jews and Americans. And then there are all those U.S.-fostered constitutions that enshrine Sharia law — just the sort of ideological concession our forebears would never have made.

Bottom line? History shows that the conditions that drove the model transformation of Japan do not exist today with regard to the Islamic Middle East.
- Diana West

Can we bury this highly illogical comparison of Iraq to Japan, Germany and South Korea now? It’s a real loser and we sure don’t like losers, do we now?

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 12:45 PM

McCain should beg Michael Yon to make a promo ad for his campaign, the ad subsidizing Yon’s work 80% with 20% to GOP fund. The GOP should pave the route for Yon to tour, publicize REALITY across America right away. Memorial Day–Fourth of July Independence Day–Get Yon to open for GOP rallies and fund raisers. This guy deserves all the good credit this world could offer! Sean Hannity ought to pave the way for Yon’s “Great American” tour.

This guy is an inspiration to all Americans and a great moral leader for our military troops who need our support.

maverick muse on May 22, 2008 at 12:52 PM

morale

maverick muse on May 22, 2008 at 12:52 PM

1) we are going to win in Iraq and that Bush will be proven right,

What are we going to win? Another Shariah based constitution where U.S. Army Generals have to grovel if one of their troops “disrespects” the Evil Holy Koran? A new ally for Iraq’s fellow Shiite Iran?

and 2) that the global warming thing turned out to be a demonstrable hoax a good decade ahead of schedule.

Professor Blather on May 22, 2008 at 11:59 AM

“Global Warming” hoax, “building democracy, blah, blah, blah in Iraq” hoax, six of one 5.9 of the other.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Oops. Obviously I wasn’t the only one to see the logical holes big enough to drive a truck through, huh?

Professor Blather on May 22, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Why do you persist in this comparison of Iraq with Japan, etc? Why? It has been completely debunked. Even more so than Global warming has been.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 1:00 PM

Doesn’t this sis-boom-bah Yon guy have the first clue as to how much he is sharpshooting General Petraeus? He sure doesn’t seem to.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Apparently, you don’t follow Yon… who is hardly a “sis-boom-bah” guy. Yon embeds with military units and describes his experiences and events as they really are. He has been sharply critical of progress in the past, but has also highlighted their many, many successes.

If anything Petraeus is nervous because, although this is the truth now, there is always the chance of things changing… and it being held against the military by people who don’t know anything about military operations, let alone have a shred of common sense.

dominigan on May 22, 2008 at 1:00 PM

I think it is only fair that I do a counter point to myself and make the case that Iraq is really like Japan and Germany, so here goes.

We are at the five-year mark with Iraq, and so many parallels can be seen with Germany and Japan at their five-year mark.

Like how we let the Germans put Nazism into their constitution and let the Japanese put Shintoism into theirs. Very similar as to how we let Iraq put Islam into their constitution.

And of course in Germany the Catholics and Protestants were fighting and killing each other (beheading was the preferred Catholic method of killing Protestants and power drills was the preferred Protestant method of killing Catholics), just like Sunnis and Shiites are in Iraq.

And then there were all those IED’s and suicide bombers going off all over the place in both Germany and Japan, and after 5 years (maybe it was even 50 years (make it a 100!), just like in Iraq.

And then after 4 years in both German and Japan we had to bring American troop levels back almost to invasion levels, just like in Iraq!

And of course there was a whole lot of “fraternizing” and marriage between American Soldiers and German frauleins, again just like in Iraq.

The list is so lengthy, but already, just from those few examples, you can see that the parallels are so close it is almost spooky.

OK, there I present the other side of the Iraq to Japan/Germany comparison. I don’t want anyone to say that I only give one side of an argument.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Comparisons to Japan, Korea, and Germany are completely valid in the context of the appropriateness of long-term U.S. military presence.

exhelodrvr on May 22, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Thank you Michael Yon for your service, past and present.

Yakko77 on May 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Apparently, you don’t follow Yon… who is hardly a “sis-boom-bah” guy.

dominigan on May 22, 2008 at 1:00 PM

I dunno,

Michael Yon on Iraq: “The progress is unbelievable

sounds pretty sis-boom-bah to me.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM

From a military perspective, Iraq is more historically analogous to the Philipines than to Germany, Japan, Korea, or Vietnam.

Mike Honcho on May 22, 2008 at 1:28 PM

McCain should beg Michael Yon to make a promo ad for his campaign

maverick muse on May 22, 2008 at 12:52 PM

I think that Obama should beg Michael Yon and pay him big $$$ to make mucho promo ads for McCain’s campaign, blanketing the country, and just keep bringing to the attention of Americans, most of whom are against the war, that we are still there after more than 5 years in a combat role with more troops there than we had a year plus ago.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 1:28 PM

sounds pretty sis-boom-bah to me.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM

And like I said earlier, it is VERY apparent that you don’t follow Yon… otherwise you wouldn’t have made such an incredibly ignorant one-off comment.

Why don’t you do something productive and read through the last four years of his archives so that you can figure out how to get that foot out of your mouth.

At least Yon can back up his statements with first hand experience.

dominigan on May 22, 2008 at 1:29 PM

I see no video.

I see no videos when I go to the site.

What the heck?

N. O'Brain on May 22, 2008 at 1:31 PM

What would I do without MB4 to set me straight? Thank you so much for reminding me that I am but a fool to listen to the likes of Michael Yon. I mean, really? To think that I would value his opinion more than your morose take on all things Iraq.

Rod on May 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Is it possible for this video to be emailed to me? I’m in Iraq and my broadband speed won’t allow me to watch videos on line. Anyone have it as a file by chance?

Thanks!

JetBlast on May 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 12:45 PM

ty MB

upinak on May 22, 2008 at 1:41 PM

It’s a slow news day when MB4 has time to argue both sides of his pet issue with himself (poorly, I might add). It’s autopedanticeroticism–I guess he was never told he’d go blind if he does too much of that. We can only hope he has a happy ending.

horatio on May 22, 2008 at 1:53 PM

autopedanticeroticism.

horatio on May 22, 2008 at 1:53 PM

It’s a very slow news day when horatio has time to “invent” a new “word” with 8 syllables and 21 letters to amuse himself. We can only hope he enjoyed himself.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 2:32 PM

I mean, really? To think that I would value his opinion more than your morose take on all things Iraq.

Rod on May 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM

A “morose” take sure seems more realistic, and closer to that of General Petraeus’s view, than Yon’s giddy, “The progress is unbelievable”.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Good Lord, why are you attacking redshirt?

upinak on May 22, 2008 at 12:37 PM

There’s a joke in there somewhere. :)

- The Cat

MirCat on May 22, 2008 at 2:41 PM

sounds pretty sis-boom-bah to me.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM

And like I said earlier, it is VERY apparent that you don’t follow Yon… otherwise you wouldn’t have made such an incredibly ignorant one-off comment.

dominigan on May 22, 2008 at 1:29 PM

“Incredibly ignorant”. Oh like wow, what incredibly impressive debating skills you have. And well sorry but Michael Yon on Iraq: “The progress is unbelievable” sure sounds pretty sis-boom-bah to me. Also very giddy.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 2:47 PM

I think we can come to a compromise here. Progress has been made in Iraq, but it’s been one of the biggest foreign policy disasters in American history with…

- 4 million Iraqi refugees

- Iraq is one of the most corrupt nations on the planet

- Minority groups such as Christians, Mandeans, Armenians, etc. have all but been driven out of the country. We’ve created essentially a homogenized Islamic country.

- It’s one of the costliest wars in American history with a return for the cost that doesn’t seem justified.

- The expenditure of political capital in Iraq has frozen the US’ ability to handle the more dangerous Iranian nuclear situation.

- Women’s rights are worse in Iraq now, than they were under Hussein.

- Both the Christian and Sunni professional class (which previously represented the majority of the Professional Class in Iraq) have been greatly decimated — before the war Christians accounted for 30 percent of Iraq’s doctors, lawyers, executives, etc.

- It’s hard to get an accurate reading on the number of Iraqis that have died because of this conflict, since every study so far appears to be flawed by various factors, but there have been somewhere in the neighborhood of 200,000 – 500,000 Iraqis killed.

- The President has disregarded the wishes of the vast majority of Americans (and the vast vast majority of Iraqis, if you read the polls) and not removed the troops
for Iraq.

- The US should not be in the business of making the world safe for Sharia Law states, and that’s essentially what the administration has done in Iraq and Afghanistan.

- From the south of Iraq and up to and including Baghdad has experienced ethnic, sectarian, and religious cleansing.

- There are other factors to take in to account, but the Iraq War has basically destroyed the Republican Party.

- America has suffered a great loss of prestige because opf the War.

- And let’s not underestimate the war’s effect on oil prices. Clearly the US is being punished by the Sunni oil producers for initiating a Shia revival.

Now, shameless plug time: I did an In T View with an Iranian
dissident(s) who burns Qurans in Iran

Mister Ghost
Iraqi Bloggers Central
The In T Views

Mister Ghost on May 22, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Terrorism down across the board.

No attack against the US since 9/11.

US forces kicking ass.

Oils dead, bring on coal, bio and nukes!

Slight setback for the Repubs but they’ll be back. Two party system…checks, and well, you know.

Honestly, some of you partisian hacks just can’t stand a little good news.

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 3:04 PM

MirCat on May 22, 2008 at 2:41 PM

LOL, you are correct…. dang StarTrek!

upinak on May 22, 2008 at 3:04 PM

I believe Michael Yon should be nominated for a Pulitzer.

crosspatch on May 22, 2008 at 11:47 AM

I’ll second that.

surrounded on May 22, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Anderson also stated that even appeals from high ranking military officers could not persuade Anderson to carry a title.

I guess the Exchange should start looking for a different carrier. I know quite a few guys and gals who ordered the Book because they could not buy it at the Exchanges overseas.

upinak on May 22, 2008 at 3:07 PM

OPEC can’t put this horse back in the barn
—Purple Avenger

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 3:08 PM

MB4 Sorry, buddy. Have your take on life, and enjoy.
But don’t presume to be THE ONE font of wisdom.

No one is gloating that we are in Iraq.
Many of us rejoice that the hard work
that our military has accomplished
is showing good results.

We already “won” in deposing Hussein.
We “won” when Iraq voted democratically.
We “won” when Iraq created their government.
We “won” when al-Maliki showed that the Iraqi government and Iraqi military are getting their act together with the people of Iraq and winning in THEIR combat with their oppositional forces and capturing their enemies now.

Early Memorial Day greetings to you, MB4,
from all of us at HotAir. With you, we celebrate
the anticipation of hope for our troops’ return home!
They are indeed accomplishing what we assumed would be
the impossible, bit by bit.

We do not hold our military accountable for Presidential decisions. Yet in their execution of orders,
we honor their integrity and well accomplished duty.
Their well coordinated efforts are paying off with the “democracy” Bush promised (whether he should have or not) in Iraq. Michael Yon has been sweating it out with the grunts on the streets in Iraq for years. He deserves your recognition for his outstanding journalism, whether you have it to give or not.

maverick muse on May 22, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Mr. Ghost,
Although you make some points well, this one is only as strong as you allow the MSM to be:

but the Iraq War has basically destroyed the Republican Party.

Truly, no one WANTED to get stuck in Iraq.
But if the GOP actually tells the President’s
side effectively, BETTER THAN BUSH HAS DONE,
and from the standpoint of WHERE WE ARE TODAY
in preparing for our own security alongside Iraq,
then it’s all in how you look at it.

Destruction of the party, just as destruction of our nation, may well be occuring, I agree. But it’s all in how the overall perception influences the outcome. Given, everything’s too complicated to refine into one reason. So I hope that you are wrong about this, though it is as the MSM have been ceaselessly working to make true. But allowing the MSM to be one’s world reality would be one’s own loss in judgment.

Michael Yon presents what he finds as completely as he finds it most intelligently and courageously.

maverick muse on May 22, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Just as the right has risen in Europe, so shall it be here in the good ol’ U.S. of A. if in fact the right falls (I have my doubts about that).

Bush did the Right Thing. Hurts now but may pay off in the long run. Don’t get your panties in a bunch.

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 3:48 PM

Update: Yon’s book excluded from military bases?

If it is then I can understand why. With his giddy, “The progress is unbelievable”, a lot of troops in Iraq would be wondering before much longer why they haven’t started getting orders to come home before their latest extended 15 month tour is up and troops not in Iraq would be wondering why their orders to go back to Iraq yet again haven’t been canceled.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 3:56 PM

We already “won” in deposing Hussein.
We “won” when Iraq voted democratically.
We “won” when Iraq created their government.
We “won” when al-Maliki showed that the Iraqi government and Iraqi military are getting their act together with the people of Iraq and winning in THEIR combat with their oppositional forces and capturing their enemies now.

maverick muse on May 22, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Must I post this yet again? I guess so.

On supporting this war – it’s won already. What’s our remaining goal(s)?

WMD – check
Odai/Qusay – check
Saddam Hussein – check
Zarqawi – check
Elections – check

Democracy? They have a new constitution – not based on our values, but theirs – namely shariah. Under this set-up, Chaldeans and Assyrian Christians are fleeing to (of all places) Syria (while the US plans to take in 7000 Iraqi Muslim refugees). Which of them – Shia or Sunni – are pro-US? Shia? They are mainly supporting Iran and Hizbullah. Sunni? They are either supporting Saddam’s Baathists, or Zarqawi’s al Qaeda. Kurds? Sure, they are the most grateful of the lot, but we aren’t supporting a separate Kurdistan. So which of the people who we are trying to support actually deserves it?

And once again – what’s our mission _now_? Resolving whether Mohammed’s rightful successor was Umar or Ali? If there is a civil war between pro-Hizbullah Shia and pro-Ikhwan Sunni, whose side should we pick? Should we even stop such a fight, were it to break out?

Remember the 80′s war between Iran and Iraq? Did we end up any worse off due to millions of fanatics on both sides getting killed? Remember the 60′s proxy war between Egypt and Saudi Arabia in Yemen? Was that agood or bad thing for Infidels?

Bottom line – if there is an internecine war between Infidel hating Muslims and Infidel hating Muslims, why is that a bad thing for Infidels? If two or more of our enemies are busy destroying each other, why should we even bother stopping them?

Want to know my exit strategy for Iraq? Exit is the strategy. What will result is a civil war between Shia and Sunni. Initially, it’ll be in Iraq. Then, inshallah, it’ll spread to Saudi Arabia, where the Shia in al Hasa province can rebel. Let all that Saudi cash that funds madrassahs and CAIR in the US be diverted towards containing their restive Shia, and in the meantime, let Iran’s cash flow to their science project and Hizbullah be diverted towards encouraging Shia rebellions in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Bahrein. Once we have these 2 US hating groups at each others throats, we can then keep arming at a low level either side so that neither gains the upper hand.
- InfidelPride (JihadWatch)

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Mister Ghost on May 22, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Yes, but…., but …., but…., but …. other than those few dozen minor downsides that you mentioned, everything else is going great, right? Isn’t the progress unbelievable?

Give us just a little sis-boom-bah now. Just a little? What do you say? Don’t be morose now.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 4:09 PM

“Unbelievable”

See what happens when you skip that oh so essential formal training in professional journalism: you end up inciting giddiness. That horror of it!

deesine on May 22, 2008 at 4:14 PM

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 12:45 PM

Do you think we have bases in Japan to ensure that they don’t put Shintoism back as the state religion or that our bases in Germany are to prevent Nazism from rising again? If you do, you’re whacky. We have bases in those countries in order to let China and the Russians know that we’re very close, close enough to smell them. It is about our national security interests and we will need to do the same thing with Iran and Syria. That is why we will continue to have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is where these comparisons to Germany and Japan come from, not from some crazy idea that if we leave, they’ll devolve into the states we conquered sixty years ago.

Kafir on May 22, 2008 at 4:32 PM

What Would You Do If I Reported Out Of Tune
Would You Stand Up And Walk Out On Me
Lend Me Your Ears And I’ll Give You A Giddy Report
I Will Try Not To Report Out Of Key

Ohh Bloggers I Get Giddy,
(with a little help of my friends)
All I need is what I know i Mmy buddy Yon
(try with a little help of my friends)
I said I Want To Get Giddy I will
(Giddy With a little help of my friends)
Who-Ho-Hoo-yeah
- Joe Cocker

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Do over as my PC burped.

What Would You Do If I Reported Out Of Tune
Would You Stand Up And Walk Out On Me
Lend Me Your Ears And I’ll Give You A Giddy Report
I Will Try Not To Report Out Of Key

Ohh Bloggers I Get Giddy,
(with a little help of my friends)
All I need is what I know I must see
(try with a little help of my friends)
I said I Want To Get Giddy I will
(Giddy With a little help of my friends)
Who-Ho-Hoo-yeah
- Joe Cocker Michael Yon band

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Nothing to see here, folks. Pay attention to the $4 gas prices. Move along.

Media-declared disasters that weren’t:
- US recession

haha, I may agree with the rest, but not so much on this one…Just wait and see.

On the other hand, I can somewhat understand not wanting this on the front lines. Kind of like a football coach not wanting his team patting themselves on the back at the end of the third quarter.

beefytee on May 22, 2008 at 4:42 PM

And speaking of progress, Our group, American Sheepdogs, of the Chester County Victory Movement, scored our own significant victory, in our efforts to support our men and women in uniform.

A member of our group, Skye, a terrific blogger and wonderful conservative, had in recent months been assaulted by a so called “peace protester” in West Chester, PA, while simply videoing the activities of the left, well outside the personal space of those being filmed.

Skye handled herself like the wonderful gentle lady that she is, with strength and dignity throughout.

David F. Cleveland, 48, of West Chester, entered into a 60-day summary agreement in which he would agree to plead guilty to summary charges stemming from a March 22 altercation at the weekly dueling protests Uptown. Cleveland, a member of the Chester County Peace Movement, was charged with Failure to Disperse on Official Order and Disorderly Conduct after he allegedly disobeyed direct orders from Ofc. Jason O’Neill as a fellow peacenik protester, John Meicht, was taken into custody.According to the Criminal Complaint, Cleveland “had followed (the officers) across High Street to the patrol vehicle” where Meicht was secured after being placed under arrest. Cleveland “was visibly agitated and approximately three feet away from (Ofc. O’Neill)” and was “yelling and screaming about the arrest of Meicht and waving his arm and pointing his finger.”Cleveland was ordered to get away from the officers and was reportedly growing “more agitated and aggressive.” Eventually, he was placed under arrest, however not before allegedly “pushing off the vehicle with his body and resisting efforts to handcuff him.”Cleveland’s case was continued until July 15 (15-1-01, CR-0000087-08).

To her credit, Skye accepted the agreement as well, which not only deprived the agitating left of the show trial that they so yearned for, but allowed the defendant to rethink his associations with such people without going to jail.

The agreement imposes a restraining order on the defendant to permanently stay away from Skye, pay a fine, do 30 days community service, and write a personal apology to Skye. Should he fail to complete his sentence as per the judges orders, then additional charges will be filed. Those charges carry with them mandatory jail time.

I suspect he was not in a hurry to be the sacrificial lamb that the “Peace Movement” was ready to Bar B Q, and is quietly quite grateful to Skye for her generosity.

God Bless Skye, American Sheepdogs and the troops we so honor.

HonestConservative on May 22, 2008 at 4:44 PM

We have bases in those countries in order to let China and the Russians know that we’re very close, close enough to smell them.

I don’t know how the matter got narrowed down to just bases and in any case I can only “assume” that you must have missed that survey of former military officers who when asked which country has benefited from out being in Iraq the most, 37% said Iran, 21% said China and only 20% said the U.S.

That is where these comparisons to Germany and Japan come from, not from some crazy idea that if we leave, they’ll devolve into the states we conquered sixty years ago.

Kafir on May 22, 2008 at 4:32 PM

No it is not where they have been coming from, not most of them anyway. Look at some past HA threads. And I don’t know of anyone who had said anything about Germany and Japan, as opposed to Iraq, “devolving” if we leave. We have very mostly left Germany and Japan from our initial occupation levels anyway.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Sorry MB4. I don’t read your stuff cause it’s the same old line month after month. I see your byline and I pass it by. A quick glance tells all.

Not that I don’t value a good argument, but dude, you cut, you paste, you list (same damn list), you make nice, then you take over the thread. Your songs, your poems, your lists! Dude, get over yourself. You’re trying to pound it in, over and over like you think that’s all you need to do.

The war was right, the war was just, and now it’s being won. My take. Saying the same crap over and over wheather its true or not may work with the Democratic faithfull but it aint working with me.

You can attack the messenger, you can be a smartass, but you can’t change the facts.

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Mb4

You got a special kind of hate there. Which brings to mind Jimmy Buffet’s song….

Were you born an asshole?
Or did you work at it your whole life?
Either way it worked out fine
’cause you’re an asshole tonight.

Yes you’re an A S S H O L E…
And don’t you try to blame it on me.
You deserve all the credit.
You’re an asshole tonight.

You were an asshole yesterday.
You’re an asshole tonight.
And I’ve got a feelin’
you’ll be an asshole the rest of your life.

And I was talkin’ to your mother
just the other night.
I told her I thought you were an asshole.
She said, “Yes. I think you’re right.”

And all your friends are assholes
’cause you’ve known them your whole life.
And somebody told me
you’ve got an asshole for a wife.

Were you born an asshole?
Or did you work at it your whole life?
Either way it worked out fine
’cause you’re an aaaass…hole tonight.

patrick neid on May 22, 2008 at 5:20 PM

I believe what Iran fears the most is not a USA invasion but a strong and independent Iraq. This fear rides deeply both militarily and politically. Iraq in a few more years will be as strong as if not stronger than Iran. The mullahs will have a much more difficult time with this than any US invasion.

Egfrow on May 22, 2008 at 5:26 PM

It’s one of the costliest wars in American history with a return for the cost that doesn’t seem justified.

- The expenditure of political capital in Iraq has frozen the US’ ability to handle the more dangerous Iranian nuclear situation.

Mister Ghost on May 22, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Perhaps. Or, Saddam’s violation of his agreements made to stop the first Gulf war may have given the Bush administration cover to establish a military presence, knowing that Iran was the bigger problem and would have to be dealt with eventually. We are in a stronger position now than had we not gone in. Iran’s ambitions won’t be neutralized by diplomacy. It will either be regime change or by military action. If the dems win the general election, Iran will have the bomb.

a capella on May 22, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Got Yon’s book on order, can’t wait!

Tony737 on May 22, 2008 at 5:39 PM

The Pentagon trying not to piss off the Dems on the Hill?

Or latte slurping liberal arts majors in a publishing company practicing censorship?

Outrage.

silverfox on May 22, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Got Yon’s book on order, can’t wait!

Tony737 on May 22, 2008 at 5:39 PM

It’s a great read with Yon’s great insight into what went wrong, what’s finally going right, and how it can all still fall apart – especially if we pull out too soon. I highly recommend it to all.

Rod on May 22, 2008 at 5:56 PM

Sorry MB4. I don’t read your stuff cause it’s the same old line month after month. I see your byline and I pass it by. A quick glance tells all.

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 5:08 PM

You don’t read my “stuff” and yet you dedicate this whole comment of yours to me. Make up you mind.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 6:02 PM

Mb4

You got a special kind of hate there. Which brings to mind Jimmy Buffet’s song….

patrick neid on May 22, 2008 at 5:20 PM

You sound like some Kos of Huffpo type with your accusing others of hate, but I suppose if that’s all you got.

You also, although I am certainly not going to repeat the word which you repeated over and over again in your comment, seem to have a very unhealthy fixation with a certain bodily orifice.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 6:08 PM

First and last sentence. Only reason I’m repling now is that I engaged you in direct conversation. Took about 1/10th of a second to see the Yon Band comment.

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 6:10 PM

You gotta know most people just blow you off on this site, right?

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 6:11 PM

Face it MB4, you are so in a box.

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Would someone mind deleting, or at least doing some strategic x-ing out here and there, comment

patrick neid on May 22, 2008 at 5:20 PM

as with it’s repeating that word that it repeats, and so many times, it, well, rather brings down the class level and property value of the neighborhood a lot.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Face it MB4, you are so in a box.

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Face it dingbat – Faith is believing in your heart what you know ain’t true.
- Mark Twain

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 6:26 PM

You gotta know most people just blow you off on this site, right?

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 6:11 PM

Well it would sure appear that I have you paying attention away.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM

just for today. Got nothing better to do.

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Dingbat, you are directing so many of your comments to me, while all the while protesting that you are paying me no mind, that folks will think that you really are a dingbat.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 6:30 PM

Read you months ago, notice the topics you like to hit. You are an open book.

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 6:32 PM

just for today.

Just for today? Just the one day out of a lifetime of days and this is that very day? Imagine the odds of that.

Got nothing better to do.

dingbat on May 22, 2008 at 6:29 PM

My deepest condolences.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 6:33 PM

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