Wow. So you think that ALL religions are true and that UFO’s abducted Ezekiel and you call yourself a Christian?

Well I have some news for you…you’re not.

No Christian would ever say all religions are true.

So Cain left the Lord’s presence and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Cain had sexual relations with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Then Cain founded a city, which he named Enoch, after his son.

Also, if God is the same today as He was yesterday, then why would he be alright with Cain’s incestuous relationship but then change His mind later on? Esthier

Yes Cain’s wife was his sister. Her name was Awan.

Clearly YOU are the one who has done no research.

God forbid incest in leviticus.

Tell me when Abraham married his half sister(pre leviticus) and his marriage was blessed by God..was God lying when He blessed his marriage?

Obviously incest was allowed and encouraged until well after the flood.

I like to believe it was a UFO. Esthier

OK.

Let me ask you…what is the common link between all Alien abductions?

The answer is: The “aliens” tell people an anti-Christ message and perform horrible “experiments” that sound more like demonic experiences than experiences with what one would call aliens.

Yes. “Aliens” as you would call them are evil fallen angels deceiving men.

So according to you Ezekiel was abducted by demonic angels….ok.

Esthier…try reading the Bible at least ONE TIME before chastising me about my knowledge of scripture.

Better yet, don’t call yourself a Christian and spout lies about how all religions are true.

You may deceive some people but any Christian will know that you are not a Christian and will call you out on it.

If we’re all touching different parts of the elephant, makes me glad that I’m blind – in the metaphor that is.

nailinmyeye on May 23, 2008 at 11:11 AM

True. Ignorance is bliss if you’re the one with your hand inside it.

What can Maverick do to win them back, short of putting Huckabee — who once complained that Hagee hadn’t endorsed him — on the ticket?

Try acting like a conservative.
And as an evangelical Christian, Allahpundit – nobody, not Hagee, not Parsley (especially Parsley) and certainly not Huckabee either speak for me nor lead me. I’m my own man and I’ll vote my own mind.
I dont care if McCain paints himself blue and runs around naked swinging a chicken over his head, he does not have my vote. Period, end of discussion.

On earth, we’re all like blind men touching different parts of an elephant. Just because we seem to conflict, that doesn’t make it true.

If we’re all touching different parts of the elephant, makes me glad that I’m blind – in the metaphor that is.

StOlaf would not.

Krydor on May 23, 2008 at 10:15 AM

That’s another plus.

I’m not convinced that any religion is completely wrong.

On earth, we’re all like blind men touching different parts of an elephant. Just because we seem to conflict, that doesn’t make it true.

If God exists, then He’s far more complicated than any of us, having built us from scratch. The more we try to say who God is and who He isn’t, the more we try to box in the Almighty to fit our own concepts of what a god should be. At that point, we’re just writing fiction instead of searching.

Here is a more realistic definition of a cult(for example as it pertains to Christianity)….a cult is a non Christian religion that calls itself Christian (therefore tainting the name of Christianity).

SaintOlaf on May 22, 2008 at 9:18 PM

No, we actually have a word for that: heretic.

It’s very clear in the Bible that Jesus references a one, true, universal Christian Church.

malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 11:25 PM

I’m not convinced it was ever meant to be an earthly church.

There’s nothing wrong with having different interpretations of the Bible, and there’s nothing wrong with having different types of worship. Denominations take care of all of that very nicely.

What is wrong is that we fight so much within each other that we’ve torn the Body of Christ to shreds so much that it’s less recognizable than the concubine who was split in the Old Testament.

I think would could be the Body of Christ if we could only come together under God’s name as one.

Until then, we almost deserve all the names we’re called.

Eric Von Daniken would be pleased, StOlaf would not.

Also, also, Ezekiel had a FLAMING CHARIOT.

Krydor on May 23, 2008 at 10:03 AM

I like to believe it was a UFO.

Rational advice noted and appreciated. ;)

Shy Guy on May 23, 2008 at 10:06 AM

I’m glad. Religions can be so useful and so incredible, but they can also tear people apart despite their actual purposes.

However, you’re better served by keeping above the insults. It makes you a happier and better person.

Esthier on May 23, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Rational advice noted and appreciated. ;)

Next.

Nope, only those who claim that there is a Rapture are the false prophets.

The pre tribulation rapture is the day that Christ(His Body) is no longer on the earth for 7 years.

Yes, there is no word rapture…that’s not the point..the word is “caught up”(harpazo). Rapture is a translation of that word.

Argument doesn’t hold water. If, as I suspect you are, a literalist, then there is no Rapture spoken of in the Bible. You think there is a 6 day creation because Genesis says there is a 6 day creation. However, there is NO MENTION of a Rapture. None, zero.

Enoch and Jesus and Ezekiel were caught up.

SaintOlaf

They weren’t Raptured in the Left Behind sense, were they? They were also caught up because of nepotism and being really righteous. Also, also, Ezekiel had a FLAMING CHARIOT.

I was not referring to you specifically. Read the arrogance of some of your coreligionists here over the prior 300+ comments.

Shy Guy on May 23, 2008 at 1:24 AM

Yes, this board has some religious trolls who like to believe they are superior to everyone else. Those types come in all forms though, even atheists aren’t excluded.

And what you’ve done by insulting Christ is lower yourself to their level and insult all who are Christians, not just the ones who insulted you.

I’m not personally offended. Jesus was a Jew, and He was stuck to a stick to die. And you can’t insult God anyway.

However, you’re better served by keeping above the insults. It makes you a happier and better person.

Second Cain took his wife(his sister)and went and built a city.

SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 1:08 AM

That’s illogical. Read your Bible again.

Genesis 4:13-15

Cain replied to the Lord, “My punishment is too great for me to bear! You have banished me from the land and from your presence; you have made me a homeless wanderer. Anyone who finds me will kill me!”

The Lord replied, “No, for I will give a sevenfold punishment to anyone who kills you.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain to warn anyone who might try to kill him.

All of this happens long before he founds a city.

Genesis 4:16-17

So Cain left the Lord’s presence and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Cain had sexual relations with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Then Cain founded a city, which he named Enoch, after his son.

Also, if God is the same today as He was yesterday, then why would he be alright with Cain’s incestuous relationship but then change His mind later on?

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that his wife is his sister. You’re only guessing that because you know the Bible doesn’t count women, and you have no other way of figuring out how his wife came to be.

You’re too afraid to question the Bible. Questioning it doesn’t mean that you don’t believe or that the Bible is wrong. It just means that you are actually deeply studying it instead of taking the lazy route of assuming every word is easily understood to mean exactly what you think it does.

I like John Hagee and have watched his sermons for years. He is taken very much out of context. Hagee is as strongly pro-Israel as you can get based upon his biblical fundamentalism.

Hagee is only pro-Israel because it serves the purpose of the Apoconuts like him, who silently cheer for the anti-Christ to give us the big shaft.

SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 1:10 AM

According to who, you and your Greek books?

Does it not make you wonder about the prophecies that the gentiles would come to worship the God of Israel, while considering that Christianity is the biggest world religion?

OOOO I forgot, WE DONT EVANGEIZE, so your point really means nothing.

Actually judaism has become the cult…not Christianity.

It’s amazing! A “prophet”(as you might say) came who was greater than Elijah and you don’t use His Words (and worse you rejected The Messiah Himself).

Again this goes back to the prophecies(in your Bible) that the jews would reject the Messiah and would be scattered all over the world.

Does it not make you wonder about the prophecies that the gentiles would come to worship the God of Israel, while considering that Christianity is the biggest world religion?

SaintOlaf on May 22, 2008 at 9:12 PM

We would not appear to be a “cult” in Israel and America, but keep telling yourself that.

The fact that you have hijacked elements of my faith and tried to redefine my G-d.

We were already scattered plenty well before Yeshua came to grace us with his presence.

The only proof you have that this messiach was anywhere near Elijah are your books written by a bunch of Greeks and an apostate Jew from Asia Minor.

If you choose to believe certain demonic inspired scientist’s non scientific conclusions over God’s Word..it is to your own great error.

You’re again assuming that God’s word as written in Genesis is meant to be interpreted as 100% literal.

Just don’t claim you are Christian.

Wow. I leave for a few hours and you go starting that again. Questioning people’s faith? Isn’t that Satan’s job? I’m beginning to think YOU’RE the one that’s not Christian.

So math, logic, and carbon dating are just evil tools of the devil, created to fool us and lead us astray?

BINGO!
/sarc

Try Job 7:12

“Am I a sea, or a tananeem that you set a watch over me?”

So people in that day set a watch to watch for giant monsters just like you would watch the sea for a storm or tsunami.

Hmmm.

Actually that same word is used in Genesis 1:21 God created great TANANEEM.

And again in psalms 148:7

What do you think about the thousands of stories of dragons throughout all cultures?

What about all of the ancient drawings and carvings of dinosaurs throughout the world?

Yes, dinosaurs lived with man.

Hagee believes, because it is written in Scripture, that anyone who puts his hand upon the Jew (for being a Jew) will suffer the wrath of God. He believes they are the chosen people with a mission to acomplish.

Hagee loves Israel and supports pro Israel charities including the charity repratriating Jews to Israel. Hagee has taken criticism from other evangelicals because he has implied that Jews do not have to convert to Christianity to receive salvation. He warns his congregation that anyone who practices racism or anti semitism will face the wrath of God because we are all God’s children

He is laughed at for the graphics used in his sermons which are literal renditions of Revelations and Bible prophecies. This artwork is stupid only if you find the prophecies in Revelations stupid.

The Hitler statement is in the context of Hagee’s beliefs about the existence of suffering in a world created by an all powerful God. Hagee has a powerful sermon that says God could have created a world without suffering so me must ask why we face tribulation. He preaches that we become worthy of God by fighting the battles in our path. An all powerful God could have stopped Hitler, so there must be a higher context for what happened. One result was the re birth of Israel.

People are twisting Hagee’s sermon’s to imply Hitler was ‘good’ because he made Israel possible, when Hagee would in the context of his sermon’s say, that out of the greatest evil and sin, something good happened: Israel. I guarantee Hagee believes Hitler is rotting in a burning lake of fire.

This understanding that God being master of the universe, that everything happens for a reson, is not a minority view among conservative Christians. Andrew Wommack has recently been preaching his own tempered views, that not all happenings come under God’s direction. That it is not for a good reason that tragedies happen in the carnal world, although good can be brought out of the ashes of evil. Wommack takes a lot of heat for being out of the fundamentalist mainstream.

I like both ministers and see value in both viewpoints.

I find it creepy the way the MSM distorts both Hagee and Parsley. I am not surprised the MSM distorts these preachers because the MSM is anti fundamentalist and anti Christian to the core.

McCain can continue to disavow ministers until he is left with secular humanists, and rainbow preachers who have dumped the God stuff. He would have done better to say: Hagee is a good fellow who loves God and is being distorted…I would not accept an endorsement from an anti semite, and hagee is not an anti semite. Mccain could have ended the foolishness right there. But I consider McCain to be a useless tool, so he will continue to disavow that which he knows not.

Whales do not have scales.

SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 1:41 AM

Neither do dinosaurs. Fish have scales though.

So I remain unconvinced.

Again try READING it.

Whales do not have scales.

Yes dinosaurs are mentioned numerous times in the Bible.

Try reading Job chapter 40 and 41 for starters.

SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 1:28 AM

Are you talking about whales? Whales are mammals, not dinosaurs.

You’re starting to sound like an islamic claiming that everythihng that ever was is in their little terrorist handbook.

I think I’ve had all the fun I can have for one night.

Man are you gonna be surprised when you actually do meet God face to face. I’m really looking forward to it, actually. You got some ‘splainin’ to do.

I was not referring to you specifically.
Shy Guy on May 23, 2008 at 1:24 AM

I know, sir.

Goodnight everyone, wish it was earlier so I could engage in conversation, but I’ll be dragging tomorrow as it is.

Shy Guy, nice to meet you. Hopefully I’ll see you in a thread in the future.