McCain rejects Hagee’s endorsement
posted at 4:06 pm on May 22, 2008 by Allahpundit
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First it was the Catholic nonsense, then it was the New Orleans nonsense, and finally it was the Hitler nonsense. The guy was, quite simply, more trouble than he’s worth.
The Huffington Post had published a recording of Hagee saying that Adolf Hitler had been fulfilling God’s will by hastening the desire of Jews to return to Israel in accordance with biblical prophecy.
“Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them. I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well,” McCain said in a statement to CNN Thursday.
He added that his relationship with Hagee did not compare with Obama’s lengthy association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. “I have said I do not believe Senator Obama shares Reverend Wright’s extreme views. But let me also be clear, Reverend Hagee was not and is not my pastor or spiritual advisor, and I did not attend his church for twenty years. I have denounced statements he made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today,” said McCain.
Exit question one, which I’ve asked before: This is bound to alienate some evangelicals. What can Maverick do to win them back, short of putting Huckabee — who once complained that Hagee hadn’t endorsed him — on the ticket? Exit question two: How long before he dumps Rod Parsley too? Or does Parsley get a pass because a swath of the base likely agrees with him?
Update: Let’s try the VP question another way. Does this make McCain/Romney less likely?
Update: A good point from David Brody, and especially worrisome in light of Politico’s article today about Maverick’s floundering campaign. Where was McCain’s research team on this?
Well, look did McCain have any other option? Of course he had to distance himself from these comments. It’s still different from Jeremiah Wright because Hagee WAS NOT his Pastor. That’s important in all of this but it makes you wonder where the vetting process was in all of this? Hagee was known to be controversial in the past so did the McCain camp not realize that these past comments could reflect poorly on McCain?
Here’s the other part of this: McCain SOUGHT this endorsement.
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I’d even take “converting” them to a more peaceful brand of Islam…as long as they’re not blowing themselves up.
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:22 PM
WTF?!?!?!? You’re a nutjob.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Comment of the Day.
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:22 PM
That’s really not called for AprilOrit, Hagee is just preaching the New Testament as he sees it, whether you agree with it or not is fully your decision but that’s no reason to call the man a Nazi. Gracious, that is so very far over the top.
Maxx on May 22, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Takes one…….
to know one…….
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Seriously, where is this coming from? Is it just Hagee you’re talking about, or is this really what many of you believe the Rapture is all about?
Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Yes. Very very very far.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Andy, again I have one thing to say – To Serve Man.
Hagee is our Kanamit. The episode is called To Serve Jews.
AprilOrit on May 22, 2008 at 5:24 PM
I swear, I don’t know what goes through your head. Hagee’s statements are his own. If you can’t see that he’s anti-Semite, and extremely anti-Catholic…
JetBoy on May 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Okay, for the Jews here and JINOs (and you know who you are), here’s a newsflash:
JUDAISM DOES NOT CARE WHAT ONE BELIEVES OR ONE”S FAITH AS LONG AS THE DEEDS OR ACTIONS ARE THAT OF A MORALLY RIGHTEOUS PERSON.
Therefore, Hagee’s beliefs are IRRELEVENT. Damn, clue in.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Yes, and I came away with “doesn’t matter the degree of the connection, there’s still a connection”. I’m actually DEFENDING McCain. Pretty odd for me. If you were doing the same, and I was too slow to catch it….please take my sincerest apologies.
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:27 PM
I know what goes through your head: Absolutely nothing.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Indeed. Why does the media get away with calling Obama the “Messiah”? It’s the same thing as calling him “Christ”.
Indeed.
Red Pill on May 22, 2008 at 5:28 PM
The only way that I can see to settle all this brew-ha-ha makacka is to have a cage match between Hagee and Wright. Then we can see who’s side God is on. They both believe that God is on their side so I would think that they would both agree. Oh course if they both lose, then we would have our answer too.
MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 5:28 PM
I’m not sure about the anti-Semitism, because I’m not sure what drives Hagee to support Israel. As for the anti-Catholic…the only people that can’t see that are ignorant or Helen Keller style-impaired.
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Gosh, that’s brilliant. You add so much to the intellectual discourse here at Hot Air. Thank you for posting.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:30 PM
They don’t. They TREAT him like the Messiah, thus the joke “Obama is the media’s/left’s messiah”
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:30 PM
My last comment of the day is that McCain should be careful of how many endorsements he rejects outright because he is so sanctimonious that by the time of the general election he may have rejected all of them.
Exit question: Whose approval would he actually accept?
BigD on May 22, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Seriously, where is this coming from? Is it just Hagee you’re talking about, or is this really what many of you believe the Rapture is all about?
Esthier
Last bit first: the Rapture isn’t supported by any serious reading of the Bible or legitimate Biblical scholars. It’s a fringe thing located in the American Evangelical community and, as far as I know, nowhere else on planet earth.
First bit last: Hagee is all about the end of times, and wants all kinds of crap to happen in order for Jesus to return. Couple of those things are the continued existence of the State of Israel and a brand spanking new Temple on the Temple Mount.
The guy literally wants to make Revelation come true. He’s a scary little fellow.
Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 5:30 PM
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malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Who would you rather have on your side, one who thinks God will smite you if you don’t convert or one who thinks they need to smite you if you don’t convert?
Corsair on May 22, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Since context matters, you mean scary like Nasrallah or scary like the Pope? Because, um, you know Christians think all non-believers are going to hell.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:33 PM
You’re right…after I posted that, I thought about it. It’s not anti-Semitism per se.
But yeah, Hagee’s certainly made himself clear on Catholicism.
I usually hear that kind of “Papist Whore” crud from SDA’s all the time.
Wow.
JetBoy on May 22, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I suppose one could point out that the Bible even describes Nebuchadnezzar as doing God’s work by chastising the people of Israel. That was the parallel that immediately leaped to mind for me — but most folks wouldn’t see past the initial shock to get at the meat of the issue.
Not that I disagree with the decision to dump Hagee — if only because of his negative PR value.
RhymesWithRight on May 22, 2008 at 5:33 PM
Is a vacuous worn out grade school level retort like that the best you can do? I guess so.
MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 5:33 PM
The former. Good post.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Vacuous. Like who’s been using their Thesaurus!!! Good on ya!!!
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Like=Look
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Okay, for the Jews here and JINOs (and you know who you are), here’s a newsflash:
Which am I? Neither. So this mustn’t be addressed to me, yet you did. Odd.
JUDAISM DOES NOT CARE WHAT ONE BELIEVES OR ONE”S FAITH AS LONG AS THE DEEDS OR ACTIONS ARE THAT OF A MORALLY RIGHTEOUS PERSON.
So, Hagee’s actions are, by his own admission, to hasten Christ’s return which (oddly) involves the destruction of Israel. Must mean he loves the Jews, or somesuch. I dunno, religion is hard.
Therefore, Hagee’s beliefs are IRRELEVENT. Damn, clue in.
???? What? Hagee’s beliefs are completely relevant because they drive his actions.
Andy in Agoura Hills
Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Anyone else for cutting off the “food” supply on this one?
Oh, brother.
JetBoy on May 22, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Not my point. Though considering the concept sparked a series of best sellers and more than a few movies, it’s hardly fringe.
I do not know the man whatsoever. For all I know, he does want Jews to suffer.
But that still wasn’t my point.
The concept of the Rapture, whether it’s a true or a false concept notwithstanding, is not a concept that threatens Jews for their disbelief.
I have no idea where the idea that it’s all about “serving” Jews (in the Twilight Zone sense) came from.
Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 5:38 PM
I know what I’d like to go through my head after reading most of the inane comments in this thread…
doubleplusundead on May 22, 2008 at 5:38 PM
You continue to sound very
immatureyoung, so maybe there is still hope for you. I dunno. Maybe.MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Since context matters, you mean scary like Nasrallah or scary like the Pope? Because, um, you know Christians think all non-believers are going to hell.
Andy in Agoura
Nope, I mean scary like Jim Jones. Scary like Koresh.
I don’t find the Pope scary at all. Nasrallah doesn’t scare me much, either.
Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 5:39 PM
I blame Abraham for all you people fighting. He should have left written instructions.
BACK to McCain….the strategy was laid out months ago. Independents, centrists, blue dogs. Personally I believe he is nuts to chose that route but it is his campaign he can do as he likes. This rejection is just keeping the campaign aligned with the line in the road.
Limerick on May 22, 2008 at 5:40 PM
So what moral values is he violating? And by what actions does it manifest itself?
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Wrong. Catholics believe that non-believers may not necessarily go to hell. If you’re exposed to God’s message (the gospel) and reject it, your salvation is in jeopardy. But you can’t say that people that have either a small exposure to God’s message or no exposure at all are going to hell. Simply isn’t fair.
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:41 PM
True that.
You’re so getting force lightning’d by the Poperor.
doubleplusundead on May 22, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Who believes Hagee is a morally righteous person??
AprilOrit on May 22, 2008 at 5:42 PM
It’s too much fun.
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Ooooh!!! Ohhhh!!! I know!!!
McCain would actually accept the approval of ….. a Far-left liberal DEMOCRAT – just like McCain!!!
Woot!!!!!
wise_man on May 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Figures. Well, I like clarity rather than agreement. So Hagee is scarier than Nasrallah. Brilliant.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM
I believe Hagee THINKS he’s a morally righteous person.
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Then tell me what moral values he has violated. Should be simple based on your statement.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:44 PM
The concept of the Rapture, whether it’s a true or a false concept notwithstanding, is not a concept that threatens Jews for their disbelief.
Be that as it may, Hagee is the poster child for end of times thought, so one can extrapolate whatever one wants from these two concepts.
My support of Israel initially comes from them being the sole democracy in the Middle East. Religious undertones that come with the support of Israel make me dig a bit.
I have no idea where the idea that it’s all about “serving” Jews (in the Twilight Zone sense) came from.
Esthier
Hagee is an interesting nut. If only the ’serving’ involved a dance off.
Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 5:45 PM
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Sorry, forgot to type my response which was….
“Bad Limerick, bad!”
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:46 PM
But then missionaries are wrong then. Why give someone a chance to reject something when not hearing the message would get them to heaven anyway?
Aren’t they jeopardizing someone’s soul by preaching to them?
Under that logic, the best way to save the world is to stop talking about Jesus and destroy every Bible in the world, lest anyone hear the Word and disbelieve.
Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 5:46 PM
MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Exactly and Andy and all the others with asses up nd heads down in Hagee’s KoolAid trough.
I mean the guy is such a Pass The Loot kind of untrustworthy guy…
AprilOrit on May 22, 2008 at 5:47 PM
:-)
JetBoy on May 22, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Maybe you have never read the Bible.
The rapture of the Body of Christ, and the day of darkness that accompanies it, is prophecied about all throughout the Bible.
In: 1st and 2nd Thessalonians, Revelations, Psalms,1st Samuel,2nd Samuel, Isaiah, Matthew, Luke, Mark, John,Proverbs,Exodus,Job,Deuteronomy,Zephaniah for starters.
What exactly makes you qualified to say that?
Are you even a Christian?
You can’t have read the Bible and still say that the body of Christ will not be caught up.
SaintOlaf on May 22, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Sorry…it’s my family background…
Mom’s side: Roman Catholic
Dad’s side: Southern Baptist
Irish family jihad for as long as I can remember.
Limerick on May 22, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Answer my question. Otherwise it is you that has your ass up and head down.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:50 PM
That I would pay to see.
Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 5:51 PM
I am a Christian, and I consider Hagee’s views troubling.
ColtsFan on May 22, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Obviously you want everyone to know God’s message so that they live their life with Him in mind and, hopefully, spread his message.
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Ha.
There, fixed that.
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Ya know, Andy in Agoura Hills and I have tangled here before because we agree on almost nothing. And I know of John Hagee and TBN and think that both bear watching (that means they both are suspect for those who aren’t familiar with the phrase). But in one case Andy is correct: the beliefs of evangelicals in general and Hagee in particular are being distorted. And just like when the Huck trolls distorted those beliefs in a different manner, I think this needs to be countered and, yes, I’m looking at you, AprilOrit.
baldilocks on May 22, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Oh, fer cripes sake.
By what actions? His words.
What moral values is Hagee violating?
Love for fellow man. And judging others. Just to name two. WWJD? Not what Hagee does.
JetBoy on May 22, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Wow. You must know nothing about the man if you call him an anti-semite. Get a clue. He’s probably the biggest supporter of Israel in the United States.
SaintOlaf on May 22, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Maybe you have never read the Bible.
Maybe it’s burned into my head after years of study. Maybe my religious teaching was so literalist that you, Olaf, would be called an Infidel.
The rapture of the Body of Christ, and the day of darkness that accompanies it, is prophecied about all throughout the Bible.
The word ‘Rapture’ doesn’t even appear in the Bible. The concept is decidedly American and unquestionably dismissed by everyone but Americans/
In: 1st and 2nd Thessalonians, Revelations, Psalms,1st Samuel,2nd Samuel, Isaiah, Matthew, Luke, Mark, John,Proverbs,Exodus,Job,Deuteronomy,Zephaniah for starters.
What exactly makes you qualified to say that?
Are you even a Christian?
You can’t have read the Bible and still say that the body of Christ will not be caught up.
SaintOlaf
I’m an atheist. I’m an atheist because I read the Bible. I’m an atheist because I come from a sect of Christianity that makes you look like a piker and positively doomed to hell.
Have fun on Sunday in church, infidel. Last time I checked, the 7th day was Saturday.
Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Why, thank you baldilocks. Perhaps in another place and time, I could have called you “friend”.
Nah!!!! ;-)
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Duh!
Wright is 10X worse than Hagee or Parsley, & McCain didn’t stay in either of their churches for 20 yrs!!!
jgapinoy on May 22, 2008 at 5:59 PM
BTW, if anyone answers me, I’ll be away from my computer doing reconnaissance on an actual enemy.
baldilocks on May 22, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Bbbbbbbiiiiigggggoooottttttt.
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:59 PM
I get that, but isn’t the risk too great? I mean life here is better, but life here is so short.
I’m not trying to insult in any way, I just don’t understand this concept.
For myself, I believe that everyone at some point will either accept or reject God. People might not come up with the exact words, but somehow they will know and make a decision. The Bible is very clear that those who seek God will find God, and I’ve always believed that He wasn’t just “preaching to the choir,” meaning that even people who aren’t Christians or who have never even heard of Christians, have the same chance as anyone in finding God.
I’ve just never understood the belief that some will get in just because they never had a choice. I’ve always thought that the whole point is free will. If God’s going to make the choice for some, then free will doesn’t really exist.
Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Read my follow-up post at 5:33pm
JetBoy on May 22, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Surely you know the answer there. Christians picked the first day of the week, the day Jesus rose. It was intentional, as a way to distinguish themselves from Jews who didn’t believe Jesus rose at all.
Though I will admit that for a long time (while I was young) I thought Sunday was the last day in the week. We treat it that way here anyway.
Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM
So judging others as you say is a violation of moral law?
That’s funny.
So the “spiritual man judges all things” must be a misprint and God’s Word is corrupted then(even though He promises to keep His Word) right?
And when Jesus said Judge not according to appearances but JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT….was He lying then according to you?
You just like to pick and choose Scriptures but you have no understanding.
You are also a homosexual correct?
Evidently you think that homosexuality fornication and effeminatism is acceptable to God right?
You’re wrong…it is an abomination to God.
SaintOlaf on May 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Hmm. If you live in a place like the US, it’s pretty hard not to find people spreading God’s message. But what if you live in a small village in Nigeria and nobody ever delivers that message to you. How do you know to seek God, if you’ve never even heard of Him? Do you contend that people are born with a natural tendency to seek God and they don’t need anyone to deliver His message to them?
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM
malan89 on May 22, 2008
Just wait until I tell them that Christmas has nothing whatever to do with Jesus. Literalist interpretations of the Bible, and being seeped in them, can be all kinds of fun.
Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM
I’m responding to this post simply because I feel it is a public service to JetBoy and anyone else that seems to have problems with morality and values versus deeds and actions.
Words, son, are not a violation of moral values. You should understand that by now. Judging others is not a moral value, its an opinion. I know that bothers you to no end, but your concept of values versus opinions is terribly fogged.
Now, as for judging others. What’s wrong with it? Everyone does it. G-d does it. Usually, but not always, its based on someone’s ACTIONS. See how simply that works. People that judge others by looks are not making a MORAL JUDGEMENT. That would be called bigotry. See if you can sear that into your memory.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM
By saying these things, aren’t you judging him? If you truly believe what you preach, God will judge Jetboy, not you. Now leave him alone.
malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 6:06 PM
Yes.
How did anyone ever think to seek any god(s)? They just did. Obviously many are wrong, but I don’t think that means that the individuals themselves didn’t find Truth in them.
Obviously atheists disagree with me, but I don’t really believe in atheists anyway. I tried, but I just can’t believe.
Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 6:06 PM
Pray tell sir, what is your occupation? Are you a clergyman?
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 6:07 PM
No, that is not what he said. He said it is an abomination TO G-D. That means G-d WILL JUDGE HIM. You’re welcome.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Considering it involves a green tree, presents given to each other instead of the “birthday boy” and a fat man who might have been a saint in Germany, I think it’s fair to say that most people already get that one.
It’s so much not about Jesus that I really don’t get why some who aren’t Christian decide they can’t celebrate it.
Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 6:09 PM
If McCain won’t accept Hagee’s asinine comments he sure as heck should not decide against Romney because SOME evangelicals as so asinine as to dislike him because of his religion.
If he does not want to encourage the bigoted Hagee, why would he want to encourage the bigoted anti-Mormon contingent in this country?
EJDolbow on May 22, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Surely you know the answer there. Christians picked the first day of the week, the day Jesus rose. It was intentional, as a way to distinguish themselves from Jews who didn’t believe Jesus rose at all.
Esthier
Yep, and they were wrong. I think we’ve discussed this before, but I missed all kinds of awesome Saturday morning cartoons because my church was waaaaaaaay literalist.
They were, if nothing else, thorough in their interpretations. God rested on day 7, we rested on day 7. Is there a question regarding diet? Well, when in doubt just go vegetarian. Seriously.
Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 6:10 PM
It’s so much not about Jesus that I really don’t get why some who aren’t Christian decide they can’t celebrate it.
Esthier
I celebrate the crap out of it. Always will. Best holiday going. I just laugh to myself with the war on Christmas stuff I hear every December.
Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 6:13 PM
Seventh Day Advent?
At least these days kids have Tivo.
Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 6:14 PM
He can’t. This latest makes me wash my evangelical hands of him.
We evangelicals are tired of being your cannon fodder and footsoldiers, only to be told to be quiet and let the grownups run the party and the policies.
I’ve had it with Main Street Republicans ever since John Warner torpedoed Mark Early back in the 90’s. McCain is only following standard Republican policy.
pelajus on May 22, 2008 at 6:15 PM
I agree. It’s very much my favorite. Christmas lights are almost hypnotic, and the fact that nearly everyone is in on it, is more of the fun.
Though I could also be a little biased. I was born less than a week before Christmas.
Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 6:16 PM
ColtsFan on May 22, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Seventh Day Advent?
At least these days kids have Tivo.
Esthier
Yep. I can lay claim to the craziest religious beliefs here. We left around the time one of the pastors informed our family that my Grandmother was going to burn in hell, due to her being a Roman Catholic.
Who would want to TiVo any of the modern cartoons, anyway? Also, stay off my lawn!
Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 6:21 PM
The beauty of TiVo is that you can pull in all the classic cartoons for you.
sulla on May 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye” Matthew 7:1-5(RSV).
JetBoy on May 22, 2008 at 6:25 PM
It was the Friday nights that were the bummer. Plus I had a terrible voice, and that is one great singing church.
right2bright on May 22, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Actually they are.
We will give an account of every idle word on the day of judgment.
God’s Law is written in all men’s hearts and He not only see’s our outward actions but all of the inward deeds of our hearts.
Lust is adultery in God’s sight.
Hatred is murder.
You see, Jesus the Messiah,(who was prophecied to come before the destruction of the temple 70 AD) magnified the Law.
The Messiah was prophecied to MAGNIFY the Law.
We are all guilty of breaking God’s Law.
No man has kept the first commandment.
That is why we need Jesus to live in us.
The only way we are saved is by taking on His righteousness on Judgment day.
SaintOlaf on May 22, 2008 at 6:28 PM
I’ve only known one in my life. One summer I went to a program that was held at Stanford. We took classes taught by college professors, but they were high school AP classes. It was only four weeks long, so we had class on Saturday.
She was exempt from that and literally did little else but play her guitar to hymns and read her Bible.
I didn’t know her very well, so I can’t say if she thought we were all going to hell. She seemed nice.
And I remember that she had a weird laptop that wasn’t really a laptop. It was more like a calculator with the ability to type. We all had a large paper due one day specifically at 10 pm. People even ran to get their’s in on time.
It was 9:50 and she was just then realizing that she couldn’t hook her computer up to a printer and couldn’t transfer her paper through a disc or the Internet.
I think she’s nearly died, but after bringing the laptop down and explaining the situation, she was given a short extension, just enough time to retype it on another computer.
Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 6:30 PM
It was the Friday nights that were the bummer. Plus I had a terrible voice, and that is one great singing church.
right2brigh
It’s worse up here, where the sun has been known to set around 6 PM. There was an SDA health spa we were involved in, with the rockingest pool ever, and we had to clear out right before sunset. I also recall waiting at the edge of the pool until sunset Saturday.
The singing wasn’t a big thing up here.
Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 6:30 PM
Almost all of the “end of timers” want you to relinquish your money, because you won’t need it. And might as well relinquish it to them.
Find an “end of timer” and you will find a pot of gold.
right2bright on May 22, 2008 at 6:31 PM
My earlier comment still applies..you’re picking and choosing out of context without understanding.
Does God consider homosexuality a sin?
Can you be saved and continue in sin?
SaintOlaf on May 22, 2008 at 6:36 PM
Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Not in the Hebrew Scripture.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM
+1
wccawa on May 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Eery good Christian should line up and kick
Jerry FalwellJohn Hagee [updated] right in the a$$.- Barry Goldwater
MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Who said it?
Barack Obama?
Sure sounds like it, but no.
It was our “presumptive” nominee, eight years ago:
Red Pill on May 22, 2008 at 6:52 PM
What is this context? Do you know? I do, and it has nothing to do with what I speak of. Nice try though.
Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 6:52 PM
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