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McCain rejects Hagee’s endorsement

posted at 4:06 pm on May 22, 2008 by Allahpundit
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First it was the Catholic nonsense, then it was the New Orleans nonsense, and finally it was the Hitler nonsense. The guy was, quite simply, more trouble than he’s worth.

The Huffington Post had published a recording of Hagee saying that Adolf Hitler had been fulfilling God’s will by hastening the desire of Jews to return to Israel in accordance with biblical prophecy.

“Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them. I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well,” McCain said in a statement to CNN Thursday.

He added that his relationship with Hagee did not compare with Obama’s lengthy association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. “I have said I do not believe Senator Obama shares Reverend Wright’s extreme views. But let me also be clear, Reverend Hagee was not and is not my pastor or spiritual advisor, and I did not attend his church for twenty years. I have denounced statements he made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today,” said McCain.

Exit question one, which I’ve asked before: This is bound to alienate some evangelicals. What can Maverick do to win them back, short of putting Huckabee — who once complained that Hagee hadn’t endorsed him — on the ticket? Exit question two: How long before he dumps Rod Parsley too? Or does Parsley get a pass because a swath of the base likely agrees with him?

Update: Let’s try the VP question another way. Does this make McCain/Romney less likely?

Update: A good point from David Brody, and especially worrisome in light of Politico’s article today about Maverick’s floundering campaign. Where was McCain’s research team on this?

Well, look did McCain have any other option? Of course he had to distance himself from these comments. It’s still different from Jeremiah Wright because Hagee WAS NOT his Pastor. That’s important in all of this but it makes you wonder where the vetting process was in all of this? Hagee was known to be controversial in the past so did the McCain camp not realize that these past comments could reflect poorly on McCain?

Here’s the other part of this: McCain SOUGHT this endorsement.


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But let me also be clear, Reverend Hagee was not and is not my pastor or spiritual advisor, and I did not attend his church for twenty years. I have denounced statements he made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today,” said McCain.

Which is one reason why, try as they might, the left simply can’t succeed in equating McCain’s relationship to Hagee with Obama’s to Wright. Hagee simply endorsed McCain, who doesn’t even reside in the same state as the pastor does does. Obama, on the other hand, sat through 20 years of Wright’s hateful sermons, even inviting him on as a spiritual adviser to the campaign.

amerpundit on May 22, 2008 at 4:09 PM

It would be funny if he endorsed Barry.

RobCon on May 22, 2008 at 4:09 PM

I’m not sure that many Conservatives will blame McCain for throwing Hagee under the bus if Hagee came out with Hitler supporting statements. I doubt many share that view.

Heck, I would throw Hagee under the bus myself if I was running.

Vanceone on May 22, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Good call. McCain doesn’t need to be associated with someone who thinks God drowned American citizens for their Mardi Gras excesses.

joewm315 on May 22, 2008 at 4:10 PM

This is bound to alienate some evangelicals.

Im sorry if he needed this clown to get elected he is doomed already.

TroubledMonkey on May 22, 2008 at 4:11 PM

Exit question one, which I’ve asked before: This is bound to alienate some evangelicals. What can Maverick do to win them back, short of putting Huckabee — who once complained that Hagee hadn’t endorsed him — on the ticket?

Show the picture of Obama as Christ.

Exit question two: How long before he dumps Rod Parsley too? Or does Parsley get a pass because a swath of the base likely agrees with him?

Probably

bnelson44 on May 22, 2008 at 4:12 PM

It would be funny if he endorsed Barry.

RobCon on May 22, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Cunningham endorsed Hillary after McCain’s campaign set him up and through him under the bus.

Red Pill on May 22, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Admit it AP. You’re starting to like McCain.

CyberCipher on May 22, 2008 at 4:13 PM

I’m not saying McCain setup Hagee.

Red Pill on May 22, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Really though, McCain should have had some committee look up all of Hagee’s controversial statements before accepting the endorsement.

Better late than never, I suppose.

doodleduh on May 22, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Good riddance.

phronesis on May 22, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Smart politicians should simply preempt this looming quagmire and lead the campaign with a statement about “not accepting endorsements”.

If people want to privately endorse politicians, great, but put a rhetorical buffer between any of them and your campaign.

LimeyGeek on May 22, 2008 at 4:16 PM

It’s about time the IRS starts taxing those churches that wish to throw their hat into the political ring. That will shut these fatheads up quick.

DanKenton on May 22, 2008 at 4:16 PM

The real exit quesiotn: How many T.V. pundits will try to explain Hagee’s comments in light of his theology? How many will say, “you have to understand where he’s coming from”?

VolMagic on May 22, 2008 at 4:18 PM

DanKenton on May 22, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Could be wrong but I dont think Hagee is endorsing McCain from the pulpit, it was a personal endorsement. Not to defend Hagee because I disagree with his jewish trib theology, but when I see any preacher talking about voting for anyone, then let them get hit…..

JVelez on May 22, 2008 at 4:19 PM

“Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world,” Parsley says on the DVDs reviewed by ABC News. “America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,” Parsley says, “and I believe Sept. 11, 2001 was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.”

No argument there, apart from the “America” bit. I only WISH the founding fathers saw the islamocreeps coming.

Spanglemaker on May 22, 2008 at 4:19 PM

If rejecting Hagee’s endorsement means alienating people who agree with Hagee that Hitler was acting as an agent of God, isn’t that a good thing?

And does this mean that Obama has to reject his endorsement from Hamas?

AZCoyote on May 22, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Um, it doesn’t hurt to denounce a statement that Hitler was doing God’s will in the holocaust. I don’t see any downside at all here….

And I just love that he repeats the 20 years in the pew thing.

funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Every time the media brings this up, it gives McCain freedom to mention those 20 years that Barry and Michelle spent listening to BLT at TUCC, and that they took their kids there to learn their faith.

I think they should ask about it every day LOL

funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Exit question one, which I’ve asked before: This is bound to alienate some evangelicals.

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Not really. The people that heard or read the whole 2 minute segment know where Hagee was coming from (trying to explain why God let the holocaust happen), but also realize one can’t respond in a soundbite fashion in this post-Wright age, will chalk it up to secularism and not hold it against McCain.

Think_b4_speaking on May 22, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Let it roll!

Seixon on May 22, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Why is Hagee even endorsing a candidate? Did he predict that the end of the world was going to happen before or after the election? You people should watch his sermons, they’re on all the time, just to see what kind of idiocy you can sell people and for entertainment value. I like when he has all the little rapture monsters on posterboards.

LevStrauss on May 22, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Apparently no one here has actually heard Hagee speak and are willing to take the left’s twisting of the facts, quick cut edits as fact and proof positive. It’s no wonder the MSM still has a place in this country.

- The Cat

MirCat on May 22, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Actually one reason to really hate Hagee is that he has brainwashed Randy Travis.

LevStrauss on May 22, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Alienate some evangelicals? Where, o where, would they run? That’s the fun you can have when you’re a liberal running against a super-liberal.

kc8ukw on May 22, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Apparently no one here has actually heard Hagee speak and are willing to take the left’s twisting of the facts, quick cut edits as fact and proof positive.

That’s what Obama said about Wright. I gave you three examples of nuttiness in this very post. How much context do we need?

Allahpundit on May 22, 2008 at 4:28 PM

funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 4:25 PM

good point. MSM are stupid but its a good kind of stupid at times.

unseen on May 22, 2008 at 4:29 PM

McCain should have done this a long time ago. I’ve been harping on here about this since the Texas primary. I harped on Team McCain when they had Parsley in the background during that Cunningham incident during the Ohio primary.

Any politician who meets with anybody who is on TBN is an absolute idiot. That network is absolute poison to religion and politics. TBN, God’s “love gift” to atheists.

ninjapirate on May 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM

MirCat on May 22, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Yeah, Hagee thought that Hitler was God’s agent to have the holocaust and that would create the new state of Israel which is necessary for his near term end of the world scenario where Revelation is taken literally.

LevStrauss on May 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Update: Let’s try the VP question another way. Does this make McCain/Romney less likely?

I still don’t believe Romney was or is a likely veep consideration.

And good for McCain…chalk another point to him for his integrity for shunning Hagee. I still never got over that “great whore” thing…the thing that makes me the maddest when some refer to my Church that way.

Not to mention Hagee’s other gaffes.

McCain’s the man.

JetBoy on May 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM

I can’t stand Evangelicals. Self-hatred hurts.

ReaganEvangelical on May 22, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Ace has this:
The McCain camp apparently saw that as an opportunity to smack Obama around a bit.

It is typical, but no less offensive that Senator Obama uses the Senate floor to take cheap shots at an opponent and easy advantage of an issue he has less than zero understanding of. … Unlike Senator Obama, my admiration, respect and deep gratitude for America’s veterans is something more than a convenient campaign pledge. I think I have earned the right to make that claim.
…And I take a backseat to no one in my affection, respect and devotion to veterans. And I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did.

All of you folks who said McCain was just gonna lie down and let Barry run away with this thing? Er, sure doesn’t look like it.

20 years in the pew. Less than zero understanding.

heh

funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 4:32 PM

The Huffington Post had published a recording of Hagee saying that Adolf Hitler had been fulfilling God’s will by hastening the desire of Jews to return to Israel in accordance with biblical prophecy.

I’m sorry, but any number of preachers, and non-preachers, have for centuries made all kinds of pronouncements about historical events fulfilling biblical prophecy about Jews, Israel, and lots of other things. If McCain wants to disavow Hagee, say he doesn’t agree with him — then fine.

But I am getting a little tired of this as a McCain talking point for everything from Hagee to the North Carolina Republican party:

“Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them.

The guy finds everything deeply offensive

BigD on May 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Exit question one, which I’ve asked before: This is bound to alienate some evangelicals. What can Maverick do to win them back, short of putting Huckabee — who once complained that Hagee hadn’t endorsed him — on the ticket?

It will alienate “some” evangelicals, but not near as many as you probably think. Hagee is on the fringe for most of us in the evangelical camp, and far less influential than what the press has made him out to be.

I’m not a fan of Dobson, but his opinion wields FAR more influence than Hagee’s does among evangelicals…and for those who buy Dobson hook, line, and sinker, I’m not sure what McCain can do to help himself there other than pandering to Dobson (which I don’t recommend).

IMO, McCain would be far better off getting the evangelicals & social cons that he CAN get, and then reach to the political middle to get some of the centrist Dems.

Tim on May 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM

The Huffington Post had published a recording of Hagee saying that Adolf Hitler had been fulfilling God’s will by hastening the desire of Jews to return to Israel in accordance with biblical prophecy.

Let’s not leave interpreting the Torah to the Huffington Post. What Hagee said wasn’t suggesting that God willed the Holocaust, but rather that prophesy in the Old Testament predicted it. This is common understanding in evangelical churches.

But as a Catholic, I’m glad to see Hagee gone, thrown under the bus. My step father is a flaming Protestant and I endured Hagee’s anti-Catholic sermons for years in my home and he was clear that the Roman Catholic Church was the Whore of Babylon mentioned in Revelations. Odd, since the Catholic Church is responsible for the Canon of Scripture and preserving it throughout the centuries so Hagee could misinterpet it.

Amy Proctor on May 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM

…the Catholic Church is responsible for the Canon of Scripture and preserving it throughout the centuries so Hagee could misinterpet it.

Amy Proctor on May 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Bingo.

JetBoy on May 22, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Exit question one, which I’ve asked before: This is bound to alienate some evangelicals. What can Maverick do to win them back, short of putting Huckabee — who once complained that Hagee hadn’t endorsed him — on the ticket?

It will alienate “some” evangelicals, but not near as many as you probably think. Tim on May 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Quite true. I’ve never heard of Hagee before Obama or Obama’s people brought him up. I could care less if McCain distances himself from some nutbag who once endorsed him, where McCain never spent 20 years in attendance at his church.

wise_man on May 22, 2008 at 4:38 PM

From AP’s 3rd Huffpo link

Hagee’s end-of-days evangelicalism, which holds that the Armageddon will come only when the Kingdom of Israel is established, has made him one of the country’s most strident proponents of a strong U.S.-Israel relationship. He has advocated for an aggressive war with Iran and has opposed any Israeli military withdrawal from the West Bank.

That’s all I need to know about this dude and anyone who supports him. His support for Israel has nothing to do with abiding like for the Jews. Rather, he supports the Jewish state (and subsequent destruction) because it means Jesus is coming back.

Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Let’s try the VP question another way. Does this make McCain/Romney less likely?

He can’t pick Romney. McCain said Romney was in favor of time tables for withdrawal from Iraq, an assertion that effectively places Romney on the side of Pelosi. How, then, can McCain possibly turn around and ask Mitt to be his veep, when McCain’s support for an American presence in Iraq until success is achieved has been both well documented and made to be the main staple of his candidacy in regards to the conservative base? Now, I know that Mitt didn’t really support time tables for withdrawal, but that’s what Maverick asserted and stuck to in the face of criticism, so McCain must really believe that Mitt was for time tables. So again, knowing that, how could McCain pick Mitt and still look genuine, regardless of what Mittt’s religious background is?

Weight of Glory on May 22, 2008 at 4:39 PM

That’s what Obama said about Wright. I gave you three examples of nuttiness in this very post. How much context do we need?

Allahpundit on May 22, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Umm Him stating that what was said about him and the reasoning behing it was false, reporter giving McCain the he said she said, Huffington Post? You have seriously got to be kidding.

- The Cat

P.S. And if you don’t think that the Catholic Church (the hierarchy) isn’t having the wool pulled over their eyes by Islam, you’re not paying attention.

MirCat on May 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Hagee keeps saying idiotic things. Good for McCain. He is too much trouble to keep around and we do not need to alienate people because of someone’s idiotic comments a la Wright. However, McCain did not sit in this guy’s pew for decades without knowing what he said.

jencab on May 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM

He can’t pick Romney. McCain said Romney was in favor of time tables for withdrawal from Iraq, an assertion that effectively places Romney on the side of Pelosi. How, then, can McCain possibly turn around and ask Mitt to be his veep…

Because the Vice President is not the Commander in Chief.

Wow, that was hard.

wise_man on May 22, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Kudos to McCain for such a quick ditching of this jackass.

Obama should have acted as quickly and decisively with his.

Some Evangelicals might be offended? Boo fu**ing hoo.
People like Hagee should be ridiculed, not respected or followed.

Dave Rywall on May 22, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Swell!

Now lets see Johnny send Hernandez and his La Raza crowd packing too!

If He wins and appoints the right Judges to SCOTUS they just may bring him back to American Values without the benefit of clowns that indoctrinate from the pulpit.

At this point I am totally in favor of throwing out Tax Exempt status for any Church in the US. I favor discontinuance of Federal Tax Dollars for Sanctuary Cities as well.

old trooper on May 22, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Exit question one, which I’ve asked before: This is bound to alienate some evangelicals. What can Maverick do to win them back, short of putting Huckabee — who once complained that Hagee hadn’t endorsed him — on the ticket? Exit question two: How long before he dumps Rod Parsley too? Or does Parsley get a pass because a swath of the base likely agrees with him?

I know that you didn’t include all “evangelicals” – but, I get the feeling that you see Christians as some kind of monolith. That we all think alike, act alike and follow these “leaders” around like cattle.

As for me, I don’t care for Hagee, and I don’t care for Parsley. In fact, I’ve written Parsley [twice] about how his zeal for monetary contributions far outweighs his zeal for preaching the Scripture [Note: I didn't put it that nicely, in my e-mail].

I have no religious “leader,” but Jesus Christ. I have no political “leader” [and this includes any politician, or "religious" personality]. I am a non-denominational Christian. My support for any politician isn’t dictated by the support, or lack thereof, of any “religious” personality. They do not, and cannot, “lead” me, when it comes to matters of politics.

Who Hagee and Parsley have supported is irrelevant to me. If a politician is a Socialist or a Communist, he/she will not have my support. It’s that simple.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 22, 2008 at 4:42 PM

I only WISH the founding fathers saw the islamocreeps coming.

given the problems with the barbary pirates, you really have to wonder what they were thinking? they knew about the millenia of warfare between islam, and anything that is not islam. I guess they naively thought they could avoid that fight by having an ocean between us.

Alienate some evangelicals? Where, o where, would they run? That’s the fun you can have when you’re a liberal running against a super-liberal.

to a third party, or not voting at all. or just to spite captain queeg and lindsay grahmnesty, voting for obama. let the moderates have the republicans, don’t need them, obviously.

right4life on May 22, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Hagee: Me kapas pinya jor pihota McCain. Pihota McCain notto pitu Obama kim ma hopa. Hoo-hoo-hoo!

doubleplusundead on May 22, 2008 at 4:44 PM

AllahP said it best…

nonsense.

This is now the second story today trying to UpWright ol Johnny Mac.

As for the prophets and oracles, let me know when one can walk across my pool. Then I’ll listen.

Limerick on May 22, 2008 at 4:44 PM

The only reason Romney is being considerd is that McCain knows how vital the conservatives are to his success of being elected. If he chooses Lindsey Graham, it will be the first candidate for president in history to throw himself under the bus.

volsense on May 22, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Now lets see Johnny send Hernandez and his La Raza crowd packing too!

what are smoking? ain’t never ever gonna happen.

Some Evangelicals might be offended? Boo fu**ing hoo.

yeah you sure want our vote. you ‘moderate’ repubs will be the ones crying in november.

right4life on May 22, 2008 at 4:45 PM

I don’t get the “evangelicals”, why would they listen to this idiot of a pastor. I don’t think it will alienate, it will show to most of us McCain is his own man.
*
Romney is still in the running, it gets down to, will Romney bring in more votes then he loses? What is his “net vote gain” NVG.
The VP has not say, no power, and only one vote every once in awhile. He is nothing but a figure head.

right2bright on May 22, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Who Hagee and Parsley have supported is irrelevant to me. If a politician is a Socialist or a Communist, he/she will not have my support. It’s that simple.
OhEssYouCowboys on May 22, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Exactly.

And with the case of Rev. Wright, it is all about the person and the church that Obama decided to support, by his attendance, not the endorsement of Wright to Obama that was the main issue.

Who did McCain decide to seek as a spiritual mentor? Not Hagee.

wise_man on May 22, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Hagee is like every other “living” prophet in my lifetime…a phony, power hungry phonies, all of them.
No better then the “prophet” in Texas, or the one further north.

right2bright on May 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM

If McCain can’t handle a couple of TV preachers who are not household names, how is he going to handle a Mormon as his running mate?

BigD on May 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM

I am tired of these baseless attacks and fear that they have become a distraction in what should be a national debate about important issues. I have therefore decided to withdraw my endorsement of Senator McCain for President effective today, and to remove myself from any active role in the 2008 campaign.

I hope that the Senator McCain will accept this withdrawal so that he may focus on the issues that are most important to America and the world.

That’s Hagee from Brody. That’ll be plenty of cover for McCain by Hagee.

Spirit of 1776 on May 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM

wise_man on May 22, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Very good, he is not. However, a couple points to consider: one it has been rumored that McCain is only seeking one term, that would put Romney up in 2012, does McCain, then, want a guy to succeed him, who he claims wants to withdrawal from Iraq if certain benchmarks aren’t met, taking the trajectory of McCain’s presidency as it relates to Iraq in a different direction? Second, McCain has yet to unify the base, and as many have stated here, it’s his support of Iraq that makes up the most solid reason to vote for the guy in Nov. How serious, then, are we to take him in his support for Iraq, when he’ll take a guy as his Veep. who, according to McCain, wanted to withdraw from the region. It would look like McCain is giving up his principles for a political advantage by adding Mitt to the ticket. I’m surprised that you wouldn’t find it just a little dishonest for McCain to do that; just saying, “he’s not the CiC,” wouldn’t satisfy me. It either shows McCain was lying back then, or he is unprincipled now. But if you’re fine with that, so be it.

Weight of Glory on May 22, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Here is what Hagee said according to Sam Stein as linked above.

And they the hunters should hunt them,’ that will be the Jews. ‘From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.’ If that doesn’t describe what Hitler did in the holocaust, you can’t see that.

“Theodore Hertzel is the father of Zionism. He was a Jew who at the turn of the 19th century said, this land is our land, God wants us to live there. So he went to the Jews of Europe and said ‘I want you to come and join me in the land of Israel.’ So few went that Hertzel went into depression. Those who came founded Israel; those who did not went through the hell of the holocaust.

“Then god sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says — Jeremiah writing — ‘They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,’ meaning there’s no place to hide. And that might be offensive to some people but don’t let your heart be offended. I didn’t write it, Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel.

Pastor John Hagee

I know what he’s trying to say, and he didn’t say it clearly. And I’m not sure that I agree with this minor point that he’s trying to make either. But there is nothing anti-Jewish in this statement and there certainly is NOTHING pro-Hitler.

Hagee should have know better than to try and make such a delicate point like this without stating it much more clearly. His statement was easy to distort and twist and that’s what the media did.

Maxx on May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Weight of Glory on May 22, 2008 at 4:52 PM

IF McCain serves only one term

IF Romney gets wins the primary for 2012

IF the Iraq war is still going on

“I’m surprised that you wouldn’t find it just a little dishonest for McCain to do that; just saying, “he’s not the CiC,” wouldn’t satisfy me. It either shows McCain was lying back then, or he is unprincipled now. But if you’re fine with that, so be it.”

You seem to be laboring under the false impression that I agree with you and your comments.

Let me put that point to rest.

wise_man on May 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

I’ve never been clear on this, is Hagee really accepted by the larger evangelical community? It seems to me that his belief that Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah would make him an outcast pretty much everywhere.

Typhonsentra on May 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Under the bus

…where he belongs

/Whore of Babylon worshiping Papist

BohicaTwentyTwo on May 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

He added that his relationship with Hagee did not compare with Obama’s lengthy association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Some would say that is like arguing over how pregnant someone is.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Kudos to McCain for such a quick ditching of this jackass.

Obama should have acted as quickly and decisively with his.

Team McCain have known that this needed to be done since at least late February. He could have demagogued the hell out of Wright if it weren’t for Hagee and Parsley.

ninjapirate on May 22, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Update: Let’s try the VP question another way. Does this make McCain/Romney Huckabee less likely?

Answer: Yes.

malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 4:57 PM

I’ve never been clear on this, is Hagee really accepted by the larger evangelical community?
Typhonsentra on May 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Nope.

If McCain can’t handle a couple of TV preachers who are not household names, how is he going to handle a Mormon as his running mate?
BigD on May 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Yup. McCain “can’t handle” a couple of TV preachers. U R RITE. Yup.

wise_man on May 22, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Some would say that is like arguing over how pregnant someone is.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Most wouldn’t. There’s a difference between receiving an endorsement, which you reject, and sitting in the pews of the pastor’s church for 20 years.

amerpundit on May 22, 2008 at 4:58 PM

What can Maverick do to win them back, short of putting Huckabee — who once complained that Hagee hadn’t endorsed him — on the ticket?

Why would McCain want to win back such die-hard supporters of this Hagee creep?

Oh, that’s right to get elected, maybe, I suppose.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 4:59 PM

one it has been rumored that McCain is only seeking one term

Weight of Glory on May 22, 2008 at 4:52 PM

I would not count on that. Most men once in the White House practically have to be dragged out kicking-and-screaming.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM

AllahPundit you are truly vile. Do you really think Hagee is an anti-semite? Hagee started and runs CUFI (Christians United For Israel). Hagee is no more an anti-semite than you are. He’s not anti-Catholic. McCain and you have completely mischaracterized this man and in fact, are guilty of character assassination at the very least. Why don’t you ever do your homework before posting? I know Ed does. Or is this just another chance to take a shot at organized religion?

Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:04 PM

wise_man on May 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Heh. Okay, wise_man, you’ve certainly “put to rest” my “labors.” Thank you.

Weight of Glory on May 22, 2008 at 5:04 PM

And the ssame goes for these others in this echo chamber you run.

Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM

amerpundit on May 22, 2008 at 4:58 PM

The fact that this needed to be said (directed at MB4 for not understanding this, not ameripundit)…disturbs me.

Answer: Yes.

malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Let me elaborate. The Huck crowd and the Hagee types are one in the same. Just look at the video Apacalyps (Huck’s #1 fan) links to in his signature. Same kind of crap. Totally anti-Catholic. If he’s (McCain) rejecting Hagee, he obviously isn’t worried about these types of evangelicals (which represents a small minority of the overall evangelical community).

malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Oh, certainly. I was just trying to point out, that from many angles, not just the religious one, Mitt would be a hard sell for the Veep spot.

Weight of Glory on May 22, 2008 at 5:06 PM

I love the way the Evangelicals want to get all of us jews in Israel during the Rapture so that we either convert to Christianity or else, God we deal with us then…

AprilOrit on May 22, 2008 at 5:07 PM

That’s what Obama said about Wright. I gave you three examples of nuttiness in this very post. How much context do we need?

Allahpundit on May 22, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Bullsh!t. Go ahead and post his “nuttiness”. Of course, for an atheist like you, everything he says is a candidate. Right?

Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:04 PM

I’m Catholic. And I’m definitely no Hagee fan, but I will say…I think these particular comments are being misunderstood/twisted. Hagee’s definitely a friend of the Jewish people and I think his comments were more of the “sure, the holocaust was horrible, but without it, there wouldn’t be an Israel”. It just…didn’t come out that way.

malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:08 PM

It seems to me that his belief that Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah would make him an outcast pretty much everywhere.

Typhonsentra on May 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Where and when did Hagee ever say that? I’m just asking. And to my knowledge, which is limited about Hagee, he has never said such a thing that I am aware of. But if you have a link to him actually saying that, I would like to see it because I really don’t believe that.

Maxx on May 22, 2008 at 5:09 PM

He’s not anti-Catholic.

Oh, man….anybody else smell that bullsh*t?

malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:09 PM

I love the way the Evangelicals want to get all of us jews in Israel during the Rapture so that we either convert to Christianity or else, God we deal with us then…

AprilOrit on May 22, 2008 at 5:07 PM

You mean as opposed to the muslims and Nasrallah who said that it will be easier to kill the Jews if they are all in the same place? Now, who is really your enemy, Evangelicals or Muslims? You people are pathetic.

Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:10 PM

It seems to me that his belief that Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah would make him an outcast pretty much everywhere.

Typhonsentra on May 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Matthew 16:13-20 (King James Version)

13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

- The Cat

P.S. Christ = Messiah

MirCat on May 22, 2008 at 5:10 PM

Ha! Ha! They are still at it – read this email I got a few moments ago:

There’s a long and disgusting history of people blaming the Jews for their own persecution. The latest to do so is one of John McCain’s key backers—Pastor John Hagee.

McCain actively sought Hagee’s backing and says he’s very honored and very proud to have it. But yesterday, a recording surfaced of Hagee “explaining” that God sent Hitler to perpetrate the Holocaust because Jews weren’t moving to Israel.

It’s hard to overstate how deeply offensive these views are. And how disturbing it is when John McCain aligns himself with extreme religious right leaders like Hagee, while ducking responsibility for their hateful views.

J Street, a new progressive Jewish group, is asking John McCain to renounce Hagee and send a clear message that it’s absolutely intolerable to blame Jews for the Holocaust. You can sign on to their petition here:

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

MoveOn members have already confronted McCain over Hagee’s comments on Hurricane Katrina, but he refused to reject Hagee’s support. We need to turn up the heat. Please help us send a message that hate has no place in American politics.

Yup. Hagee is a “Key Backer” of McCain.
Must be. I see ‘McCain-Hagee’ signs everywhere McCain speaks.

and – Yup! ‘hate has not place in politics’ but it’s okie-dokie in Obama’s church.

“It’s hard to overstate how deeply offensive these views are.”

… but not “God Damn America” and “the government lied about creating the AIDS virus to git black folk.”

Gotta love Moveon PAC. They are almost as good as the republican McCain haters.

Almost.

wise_man on May 22, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Oh, man….anybody else smell that bullsh*t?

malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Prove it smarta$$. I’m not a Catholic but I can identify a bigot pretty easily. Jews have that special sense you know.

Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:11 PM

AllahPundit you are truly vile. Do you really think Hagee is an anti-semite? Hagee started and runs CUFI (Christians United For Israel). Hagee is no more an anti-semite than you are. He’s not anti-Catholic. McCain and you have completely mischaracterized this man and in fact, are guilty of character assassination at the very least. Why don’t you ever do your homework before posting? I know Ed does. Or is this just another chance to take a shot at organized religion?

Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Andy – stop. This is about us converting to Christianity at End Times or else God will deal with us for not taking jesus as his only begotten Son….

This is Hagee’s deal, his thesis, his big idea for the end of it all.

AP is right on baby, you are ratifying Hagee’s own version of dealing with Judeism and all it’s represents.

The guy is a wolfe in Nazi clothing.

AprilOrit on May 22, 2008 at 5:13 PM

I love the way the Evangelicals want to get all of us jews in Israel during the Rapture so that we either convert to Christianity or else, God we deal with us then…

AprilOrit on May 22, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Where’d you get that from?

baldilocks on May 22, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Andy – stop. This is about us converting to Christianity at End Times or else God will deal with us for not taking jesus as his only begotten Son….

This is Hagee’s deal, his thesis, his big idea for the end of it all.

AP is right on baby, you are ratifying Hagee’s own version of dealing with Judeism and all it’s represents.

The guy is a wolfe in Nazi clothing.

AprilOrit on May 22, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Wrong. Again. Evangelicals are the most strident supporters of Jews and Israel. Muslims, not so much. First rule of survival, IDENTIFY YOUR ENEMY.

Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:16 PM

You mean as opposed to the muslims and Nasrallah who said that it will be easier to kill the Jews if they are all in the same place? Now, who is really your enemy, Evangelicals or Muslims? You people are pathetic.

Andy in Agoura Hills

Obviously, the Muslims are the actual enemy, but hoping that God does some pre-Rapture smiting of the Jews speaks to a really crappy mindset. Hagee supports Israel because it means the Rapture is around the corner.

Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 5:16 PM

OKAY, I’m sensing that McCain needs to make a historic speech on religion, similar to Obama’s historic speech on race.

Is McCain known to have any faith? Has he ever sat in church anywhere? Maybe he could throw Hagee, Parsley and Mitt all under the bus at the same time. How does he feel about Islam?

BigD on May 22, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Prove it smarta$$. I’m not a Catholic but I can identify a bigot pretty easily. Jews have that special sense you know.

I have no proof. Zero, zilch, nada. Happy now? You got me, you false cult worshiping Great Whore.

malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Some would say that is like arguing over how pregnant someone is.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

I don’t see how. Pregnant is pregnant. Relationships have so many levels to them that it’s a lucrative writing industry all on its own.

Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Where’d you get that from?

baldilocks on May 22, 2008 at 5:15 PM

That’s not even Christian theology!!! Like I said, I’m not a Christian, but I know who my enemies are. Its pretty obvious.

Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Serves Hagee right for endorsing Mccain.

What was he thinking by endorsing Mccain?

He’s either gone senile or he’s just a phony.

Actually it seems like many here(who are keen to the threat of islamonazism) would love Hagee…he talks about that non stop.

I disagree with Hagee regarding the muslim threat though, and pay no attention to him anyway.

The only way to stop islamic terrorism is not through destroying them militarily…but through converting them to Christianity.

Anyone who reads the koran can clearly see that Jesus, who was sinless, is more powerful than mo-hammed, who was a flawed sinner.

SaintOlaf on May 22, 2008 at 5:17 PM

The guy is a wolfe in Nazi clothing.

AprilOrit on May 22, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Gotta love Godwin.

- The Cat

MirCat on May 22, 2008 at 5:18 PM

but I know who my enemies are. Its pretty obvious.

Elmer Gantry (of any flavor)?

Limerick on May 22, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Obviously, the Muslims are the actual enemy, but hoping that God does some pre-Rapture smiting of the Jews speaks to a really crappy mindset. Hagee supports Israel because it means the Rapture is around the corner.

Krydor on May 22, 2008 at 5:16 PM

So? Does that mean we should refuse his support? Come on people!!!! This is not rocket science. Geez.

Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:19 PM

I love the way the Evangelicals want to get all of us jews in Israel during the Rapture so that we either convert to Christianity or else, God we deal with us then…

AprilOrit on May 22, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Where did you get that?

Esthier on May 22, 2008 at 5:19 PM

The fact that this needed to be said (directed at MB4 for not understanding this, not ameripundit)…disturbs me.

malan89 on May 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM

Did you even read what I said

Some would say that is like arguing over how pregnant someone is.

without reading much more into it than was there? Doesn’t seem so.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 5:19 PM

He added that his relationship with Hagee did not compare with Obama’s lengthy association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Some would say that is like arguing over how pregnant someone is.

MB4 on May 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

I would argue that kissing a girl will not get her pregnant.

Corsair on May 22, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Is McCain known to have any faith? Has he ever sat in church anywhere? Maybe he could throw Hagee, Parsley and Mitt all under the bus at the same time. How does he feel about Islam?
BigD on May 22, 2008 at 5:16 PM

I don’t know. Maybe if and when McCain is elected president, he’ll enact sharia law in the US.

Maybe. It could happen. You never know with that McCain.

wise_man on May 22, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Hagee reminds me of the Calumets in the Twilight Zone episode To Serve Man.

A race of aliens known as the Kanamits land on Earth and promise to be nothing but helpful to the cause of humanity. Initially wary of the intentions of such a highly advanced race, even the most skeptical humans are convinced when their code-breakers begin to translate one of the Kanamit’s books, with the seemingly innocuous title, “To Serve Man.”

Sharing their advanced technology, the aliens quickly solve all of Earth’s greatest woes, eradicating hunger, disease, and the need for warfare. Soon, humans are volunteering for trips to the Kanamits’ home planet, which is supposedly a paradise.

All is not well, however, when a code-breaker discovers the Kanamits’ true intentions: Their book, “To Serve Man”, is a cookbook, and all their gifts were simply to make humanity complacent, much like fattening pigs or cows before they are slaughtered.

Hagee is our Kanamit.

AprilOrit on May 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I disagree with Hagee regarding the muslim threat though, and pay no attention to him anyway.

The only way to stop islamic terrorism is not through destroying them militarily…but through converting them to Christianity.

Hagee hates radical Islam. So good luck trying to convert them…{rolls eyes}

Andy in Agoura Hills on May 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Corsair on May 22, 2008 at 5:20 PM

But it might put STDs in the air and water.

Limerick on May 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM

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