McCain rejects Hagee’s endorsement
posted at 4:06 pm on May 22, 2008 by Allahpundit
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First it was the Catholic nonsense, then it was the New Orleans nonsense, and finally it was the Hitler nonsense. The guy was, quite simply, more trouble than he’s worth.
The Huffington Post had published a recording of Hagee saying that Adolf Hitler had been fulfilling God’s will by hastening the desire of Jews to return to Israel in accordance with biblical prophecy.
“Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them. I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well,” McCain said in a statement to CNN Thursday.
He added that his relationship with Hagee did not compare with Obama’s lengthy association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. “I have said I do not believe Senator Obama shares Reverend Wright’s extreme views. But let me also be clear, Reverend Hagee was not and is not my pastor or spiritual advisor, and I did not attend his church for twenty years. I have denounced statements he made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today,” said McCain.
Exit question one, which I’ve asked before: This is bound to alienate some evangelicals. What can Maverick do to win them back, short of putting Huckabee — who once complained that Hagee hadn’t endorsed him — on the ticket? Exit question two: How long before he dumps Rod Parsley too? Or does Parsley get a pass because a swath of the base likely agrees with him?
Update: Let’s try the VP question another way. Does this make McCain/Romney less likely?
Update: A good point from David Brody, and especially worrisome in light of Politico’s article today about Maverick’s floundering campaign. Where was McCain’s research team on this?
Well, look did McCain have any other option? Of course he had to distance himself from these comments. It’s still different from Jeremiah Wright because Hagee WAS NOT his Pastor. That’s important in all of this but it makes you wonder where the vetting process was in all of this? Hagee was known to be controversial in the past so did the McCain camp not realize that these past comments could reflect poorly on McCain?
Here’s the other part of this: McCain SOUGHT this endorsement.
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What you so sure they’re 65 million years old?
A circular reasoning and inaccurate dating process?
If you choose to believe certain demonic inspired scientist’s non scientific conclusions over God’s Word..it is to your own great error.
Just don’t claim you are Christian.
It’s not me you have to be held accountable to, but your Creator.
SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Arguing about faith is like dancing with a shadow.
(Just don’t let it lead.)
profitsbeard on May 23, 2008 at 12:50 AM
First of all…The coming of the Lord IS a good thing.(Obviously it’s a bad thing in your opinion)
Second…You would have to be blind not to see the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of prophecies about Jesus in your Bible.
It’s a historical fact that Jesus was a “prophet” greater than Elijah. Strange that you do not acknowledge Him, no?
SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 12:55 AM
For the rest of us believers (yes, both adherent Jews and Christians): Why Evolution is Kosher.
Shy Guy on May 23, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Ah. Ok. Total nutter then. No problem.
So math, logic, and carbon dating are just evil tools of the devil, created to fool us and lead us astray?
The fossilization process that preserves the bones of the dinosaurs isn’t real then? Those creatures never really existed? Just a hoax to lead the believers astray? Or are you saying that dinosaurs were alive and well when God created Adam and Eve?
Yep. Gotta go with full blown nutter.
And just who were the ‘others’ the Bible talks about in Genisis shortly after Cain and Abel? Where’d they come from?
techno_barbarian on May 23, 2008 at 12:57 AM
My eyes are just fine, thank you.
If I have to chose between the Jewish prophet who ascended bodily into heaven versus a dead Jew on a stick, I’ll take the former – and then, only as a prophet – nothing else. But you can have the latter.
Shy Guy on May 23, 2008 at 1:00 AM
I’m cool with that. Me and my Creator are tight.
Why would you think that I would in any way desire or need to be held accountable by the likes of you? That’s a bit prideful on your part, don’t you think?
techno_barbarian on May 23, 2008 at 1:04 AM
I’ll take Him. And the way you phrased it was meant to hurt. That’s okay though.
Because the “dead Jew on a stick” wasn’t the end of the story. Not by a long shot.
Skidd on May 23, 2008 at 1:05 AM
Arguing about politics is like dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight.
(Only The Joker could derive any pleasure from it.)
My collie says:
CyberCipher on May 23, 2008 at 1:06 AM
Obviously you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Either with dinosaurs,carbon dating or Genesis.
First carbon dating is an unscientific and absolutely inaccurate process.
Second Cain took his wife(his sister)and went and built a city.
Yes dinosaurs were clearly spoken about in the Bible.
What do you think about that shyguy?
Do you just discount the book of Job like you discount 333 distinct,unescapable prophecies that were fulfilled in Jesus?
I know your people almost did not include the book of Daniel also. Even though there is no question that the book of Daniel is inspired…what is it? Do you also not like the fact that the Messiah would have had to come before the destruction of the second temple 70 AD?
SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 1:08 AM
You seem to be forgetting that Jesus Christ(the Messiah that you are rejecting) also ascended bodily into heaven.
SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 1:10 AM
Oh, puh-lease! Some of you are damning everyone else to hell all over this subject.
Of course by you it’s perfectly alright for someone else to call me blind and then blurt out unsubstantiated “historical facts” in order to claim some form of superiority.
Read back through here and see who cast the first stone(s).
Shy Guy on May 23, 2008 at 1:12 AM
But of course. It says so in your bible.
Who was it that was laughing at circular reasoning a few posts ago?
Shy Guy on May 23, 2008 at 1:14 AM
Obviously. I’m just a complete idiot here. I mean, everyone ere will no doubt agree.
But humor a simple soul.
As to the carbon dating process being unscientific. Ummm… what are you basing that belief upon? How exactly is it unscientific? Which part of the process is the lie?
I’ve gone out and dug fossils and they’re not actually bone, ya know? They’re stone. How’d that happen? Must’ve taken a really long time, I’d think.
Dinosaurs in the Bible? So Adam and Eve were pretty much like Fred and Wilma, then? Man, I’m glad I read this thread. Now, just which book and verse can I find that verification?
techno_barbarian on May 23, 2008 at 1:17 AM
I try not to cast stones, even when they’re thrown at me.
And it did sting, not because any damage was done to my faith, but because whenever someone speaks of God (I know, I believe it but you don’t) with disrespect, it hurts me.
Skidd on May 23, 2008 at 1:17 AM
The difference is I’m telling you the Truth.
Is that wrong to do?
You are neither a good jew nor are you saved.
Do you not think that God is just by sending you to Hell because you willfully reject the Messiah and reject His Word and Law?
Am I mean or bad for telling you the Truth?
SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 1:18 AM
The word “baseless” comes to mind.
BTW, you’re reasoning in circles again.
I was not referring to you specifically. Read the arrogance of some of your coreligionists here over the prior 300+ comments.
Shy Guy on May 23, 2008 at 1:24 AM
SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 1:26 AM
Yes dinosaurs are mentioned numerous times in the Bible.
Try reading Job chapter 40 and 41 for starters.
SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 1:28 AM
I know, sir.
Goodnight everyone, wish it was earlier so I could engage in conversation, but I’ll be dragging tomorrow as it is.
Shy Guy, nice to meet you. Hopefully I’ll see you in a thread in the future.
Skidd on May 23, 2008 at 1:30 AM
That quote was utter nonsense. What about the geological record? You know all that pesky evidence of flood and sediment, ash and minerals deposited over millions of years.
Are you talking about whales? Whales are mammals, not dinosaurs.
You’re starting to sound like an islamic claiming that everythihng that ever was is in their little terrorist handbook.
I think I’ve had all the fun I can have for one night.
Man are you gonna be surprised when you actually do meet God face to face. I’m really looking forward to it, actually. You got some ’splainin’ to do.
techno_barbarian on May 23, 2008 at 1:38 AM
Whales?
Again try READING it.
Whales do not have scales.
SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 1:41 AM
Neither do dinosaurs. Fish have scales though.
So I remain unconvinced.
techno_barbarian on May 23, 2008 at 1:47 AM
I like John Hagee and have watched his sermons for years. He is taken very much out of context. Hagee is as strongly pro-Israel as you can get based upon his biblical fundamentalism.
Hagee believes, because it is written in Scripture, that anyone who puts his hand upon the Jew (for being a Jew) will suffer the wrath of God. He believes they are the chosen people with a mission to acomplish.
Hagee loves Israel and supports pro Israel charities including the charity repratriating Jews to Israel. Hagee has taken criticism from other evangelicals because he has implied that Jews do not have to convert to Christianity to receive salvation. He warns his congregation that anyone who practices racism or anti semitism will face the wrath of God because we are all God’s children
He is laughed at for the graphics used in his sermons which are literal renditions of Revelations and Bible prophecies. This artwork is stupid only if you find the prophecies in Revelations stupid.
The Hitler statement is in the context of Hagee’s beliefs about the existence of suffering in a world created by an all powerful God. Hagee has a powerful sermon that says God could have created a world without suffering so me must ask why we face tribulation. He preaches that we become worthy of God by fighting the battles in our path. An all powerful God could have stopped Hitler, so there must be a higher context for what happened. One result was the re birth of Israel.
People are twisting Hagee’s sermon’s to imply Hitler was ‘good’ because he made Israel possible, when Hagee would in the context of his sermon’s say, that out of the greatest evil and sin, something good happened: Israel. I guarantee Hagee believes Hitler is rotting in a burning lake of fire.
This understanding that God being master of the universe, that everything happens for a reson, is not a minority view among conservative Christians. Andrew Wommack has recently been preaching his own tempered views, that not all happenings come under God’s direction. That it is not for a good reason that tragedies happen in the carnal world, although good can be brought out of the ashes of evil. Wommack takes a lot of heat for being out of the fundamentalist mainstream.
I like both ministers and see value in both viewpoints.
I find it creepy the way the MSM distorts both Hagee and Parsley. I am not surprised the MSM distorts these preachers because the MSM is anti fundamentalist and anti Christian to the core.
McCain can continue to disavow ministers until he is left with secular humanists, and rainbow preachers who have dumped the God stuff. He would have done better to say: Hagee is a good fellow who loves God and is being distorted…I would not accept an endorsement from an anti semite, and hagee is not an anti semite. Mccain could have ended the foolishness right there. But I consider McCain to be a useless tool, so he will continue to disavow that which he knows not.
entagor on May 23, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Actually the word often mistranslated as whale “tananeem” means sea monsters or dragon.
Try Job 7:12
“Am I a sea, or a tananeem that you set a watch over me?”
So people in that day set a watch to watch for giant monsters just like you would watch the sea for a storm or tsunami.
Hmmm.
Actually that same word is used in Genesis 1:21 God created great TANANEEM.
And again in psalms 148:7
What do you think about the thousands of stories of dragons throughout all cultures?
What about all of the ancient drawings and carvings of dinosaurs throughout the world?
Yes, dinosaurs lived with man.
SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 2:04 AM
You’re again assuming that God’s word as written in Genesis is meant to be interpreted as 100% literal.
Wow. I leave for a few hours and you go starting that again. Questioning people’s faith? Isn’t that Satan’s job? I’m beginning to think YOU’RE the one that’s not Christian.
BINGO!
/sarc
malan89 on May 23, 2008 at 7:47 AM
We would not appear to be a “cult” in Israel and America, but keep telling yourself that.
The fact that you have hijacked elements of my faith and tried to redefine my G-d.
We were already scattered plenty well before Yeshua came to grace us with his presence.
The only proof you have that this messiach was anywhere near Elijah are your books written by a bunch of Greeks and an apostate Jew from Asia Minor.
Squid Shark on May 23, 2008 at 8:26 AM
OOOO I forgot, WE DONT EVANGEIZE, so your point really means nothing.
Squid Shark on May 23, 2008 at 8:31 AM
According to who, you and your Greek books?
Squid Shark on May 23, 2008 at 8:36 AM
Hagee is only pro-Israel because it serves the purpose of the Apoconuts like him, who silently cheer for the anti-Christ to give us the big shaft.
Squid Shark on May 23, 2008 at 8:39 AM
That’s illogical. Read your Bible again.
Genesis 4:13-15
All of this happens long before he founds a city.
Genesis 4:16-17
Also, if God is the same today as He was yesterday, then why would he be alright with Cain’s incestuous relationship but then change His mind later on?
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that his wife is his sister. You’re only guessing that because you know the Bible doesn’t count women, and you have no other way of figuring out how his wife came to be.
You’re too afraid to question the Bible. Questioning it doesn’t mean that you don’t believe or that the Bible is wrong. It just means that you are actually deeply studying it instead of taking the lazy route of assuming every word is easily understood to mean exactly what you think it does.
Esthier on May 23, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Yes, this board has some religious trolls who like to believe they are superior to everyone else. Those types come in all forms though, even atheists aren’t excluded.
And what you’ve done by insulting Christ is lower yourself to their level and insult all who are Christians, not just the ones who insulted you.
I’m not personally offended. Jesus was a Jew, and He was stuck to a stick to die. And you can’t insult God anyway.
However, you’re better served by keeping above the insults. It makes you a happier and better person.
Esthier on May 23, 2008 at 9:52 AM
Ah, but you see, only false preachers preach that there is no rapture or that it is post tribulation.
Next.
Nope, only those who claim that there is a Rapture are the false prophets.
The pre tribulation rapture is the day that Christ(His Body) is no longer on the earth for 7 years.
Yes, there is no word rapture…that’s not the point..the word is “caught up”(harpazo). Rapture is a translation of that word.
Argument doesn’t hold water. If, as I suspect you are, a literalist, then there is no Rapture spoken of in the Bible. You think there is a 6 day creation because Genesis says there is a 6 day creation. However, there is NO MENTION of a Rapture. None, zero.
Enoch and Jesus and Ezekiel were caught up.
Only a false preacher would claim there is no rapture.
It is prophecied all throughout scripture.
SaintOlaf
They weren’t Raptured in the Left Behind sense, were they? They were also caught up because of nepotism and being really righteous. Also, also, Ezekiel had a FLAMING CHARIOT.
Krydor on May 23, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Rational advice noted and appreciated. ;)
Shy Guy on May 23, 2008 at 10:06 AM
I like to believe it was a UFO.
I’m glad. Religions can be so useful and so incredible, but they can also tear people apart despite their actual purposes.
Esthier on May 23, 2008 at 10:13 AM
I like to believe it was a UFO.
Eric Von Daniken would be pleased, StOlaf would not.
Krydor on May 23, 2008 at 10:15 AM
No, we actually have a word for that: heretic.
I’m not convinced it was ever meant to be an earthly church.
There’s nothing wrong with having different interpretations of the Bible, and there’s nothing wrong with having different types of worship. Denominations take care of all of that very nicely.
What is wrong is that we fight so much within each other that we’ve torn the Body of Christ to shreds so much that it’s less recognizable than the concubine who was split in the Old Testament.
I think would could be the Body of Christ if we could only come together under God’s name as one.
Until then, we almost deserve all the names we’re called.
Esthier on May 23, 2008 at 10:19 AM
That’s another plus.
I’m not convinced that any religion is completely wrong.
On earth, we’re all like blind men touching different parts of an elephant. Just because we seem to conflict, that doesn’t make it true.
If God exists, then He’s far more complicated than any of us, having built us from scratch. The more we try to say who God is and who He isn’t, the more we try to box in the Almighty to fit our own concepts of what a god should be. At that point, we’re just writing fiction instead of searching.
Esthier on May 23, 2008 at 10:25 AM
If we’re all touching different parts of the elephant, makes me glad that I’m blind – in the metaphor that is.
nailinmyeye on May 23, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Try acting like a conservative.
And as an evangelical Christian, Allahpundit – nobody, not Hagee, not Parsley (especially Parsley) and certainly not Huckabee either speak for me nor lead me. I’m my own man and I’ll vote my own mind.
I dont care if McCain paints himself blue and runs around naked swinging a chicken over his head, he does not have my vote. Period, end of discussion.
abcurtis on May 23, 2008 at 11:29 AM
And another thing. I am getting bloody sick and tired of everytime a politician (and I use the term in the most derogatory way) rejects some preacher, people start going off on how he might upset the evangelicals. Well, the evangelicals are already upset. I dont care who endorses who, it’s a free country. But if I was a betting man, I’d bet this – if McCain gets an endorsement from some imam, he wouldnt reject that. And I’d bet he’d gladly take Joel Osteen’s endorsement too, because Joel is so positive and non-controversial, he makes everybody warm and fuzzy.
Just my two cents.
abcurtis on May 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM
True. Ignorance is bliss if you’re the one with your hand inside it.
Esthier on May 23, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Esthier,
Wow. So you think that ALL religions are true and that UFO’s abducted Ezekiel and you call yourself a Christian?
Well I have some news for you…you’re not.
No Christian would ever say all religions are true.
Yes Cain’s wife was his sister. Her name was Awan.
Clearly YOU are the one who has done no research.
God forbid incest in leviticus.
Tell me when Abraham married his half sister(pre leviticus) and his marriage was blessed by God..was God lying when He blessed his marriage?
Obviously incest was allowed and encouraged until well after the flood.
OK.
Let me ask you…what is the common link between all Alien abductions?
The answer is: The “aliens” tell people an anti-Christ message and perform horrible “experiments” that sound more like demonic experiences than experiences with what one would call aliens.
Yes. “Aliens” as you would call them are evil fallen angels deceiving men.
So according to you Ezekiel was abducted by demonic angels….ok.
Esthier…try reading the Bible at least ONE TIME before chastising me about my knowledge of scripture.
Better yet, don’t call yourself a Christian and spout lies about how all religions are true.
You may deceive some people but any Christian will know that you are not a Christian and will call you out on it.
SaintOlaf on May 23, 2008 at 4:17 PM
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