Apocanuts bug me to no end though with all of their faux concern for the state of Israel

first of all how do you know its ‘faux’?? are you God, to know whats in a man’s heart? the only friends Israel has left in this world are conservative christians. if you think your liberal darwiniac friends ‘care’ you’re deluded.

when they really are praying for that day when the anti-Christ is gonna thump us.

you really are blinded by your obvious bigotry and hatred towards christians. no one prays for the anti-christ, for anything. but you don’t believe he will raise his wounded head anyway, so why do you care?

You pray for this war to come, yes or no?

I pray for Jesus to come. the way Israel is going you better pray He comes too, to save Israel from it’s own foolishness.

Its not a matter of hate for Christians, it is a matter of cold, hard facts.

your ‘facts’ are a figment of your hate-filled mind. you sound like a typical crazed darwiniac. if you’re jewish, you’re probably very secular.

faux concern for the state of Israel

Squid Shark on May 21, 2008 at 2:28 PM

That’s a mighty big (and might wrong) assumption there, Squid Shark.

While I am not ethnically Jewish (or Hebrew, as some prefer), I believe that as a follower of Jesus Christ I am adopted into the Jewish family.

You pray for this war to come, yes or no?

No.
right4life is right that we are not in control, God is.

right4life on May 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM

I actually love Christians, I find it to be a lovely religion. Apocanuts bug me to no end though with all of their faux concern for the state of Israel when they really are praying for that day when the anti-Christ is gonna thump us.

You pray for this war to come, yes or no?

Its not a matter of hate for Christians, it is a matter of cold, hard facts.

He’s skillfully easing pressure on hezbollah & Iran re Lebanon by playing this crap, while skillfully taking advantage of Israel’s political need for a lifevest at the same time. They are getting so shrewd the Axis, they have become masters of manipulation (to such an extent 40% of your own populace is buying the endless BS up wholesale costco style), the Dems want to negotiate with these animals, my Prime Minister – the worst in the country’s 60 year history included.

Lebanon’s western allies now have a convenient excuse to not do anything per the new Lebanon situation – EXACTLY what they want (My countries corrupt inept govt as well.) I have yet to hear a peep out of the Security Council, despite the blatant criminality of what has gone on, despite the flagrant violation of their own 1701 council resolution not even 2 years old, as well as resolution 1636 per Hariris murder.

In the end it is all nonsense, we all know what is coming – War.

Iran and Syria are joined at the hip. I don’t see how Assad would separate. Part of the deal would require the US and Israel (but mostly the US) to let Syria have Lebanon. That is up to the US, and will never happen either.

The reality is entirely not ripe to have any discussions. I don’t believe anything will come out of it at all.

Well the nuts of the Apocalypse are not rooting for peace, they desperately want a war which will come to the brink of destroying Israel so all us Jews can get saved and Jesus can come and save the world.

you christian haters need to get one thing straight: there is nothing *we* can, or have, to do for Jesus to return. HE is in charge of that. and all your accusations that ‘christians want the apocalypse’ are just an expression of your blind hatred for christians, and christianity.

Syria cannot toss Iran because while Gaza has a warm fuzzy value to Syria Lebanon is the gold standard that is critical to the Syrian economy. Syria’s power in Lebanon comes from Hezbollah which is funded, trained, armed by Iran…

C-Low on May 21, 2008 at 9:50 AM

Thanks for this info. Can Syria get what it wants/needs without Lebanon? How do we untie that knot?

Israel has no reason to withdraw from it’s highland and water resources in exchange for this type of agreement.

The only good reasoning the proponents of the talks have is that pulling Syria out of Iran alliance by bribing them with the Golan and $$$ would be a serious blow to the axis of evil, but it is neither justice nor peace – it’s just paying off the bad guys for an uncertain amount of time.

If the last happens, the dynamics of the situation in the MidEast could change very quickly. Iran tries to close the Straits; the US responds by keeping them open. Iran’s oil flow stops. Seeing Iran distracted, Israel might move against Hamas and Hezbollah—and Syria.

In which case, Syria might find it advantageous to seek new sponsors, e.g. Egypt and Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon could fall back into the Western orbit. In this scenario, with the US the dominant power in the MidEast, we could conceivably work a deal that repatriates the Palestinians across the river into Jordan (with ample compensation for them and the Jordanians) and gives Israel the entire West Bank.

Of course, events could take very different courses, some of them disastrous, but one thing for sure: There will be no peace without victory by one party or another. And it doesn’t look like Olmert is the one to shepherd Israel through the trying times to come.

Tony737 on May 21, 2008 at 9:33 AM

Well the nuts of the Apocalypse are not rooting for peace, they desperately want a war which will come to the brink of destroying Israel so all us Jews can get saved and Jesus can come and save the world.

This is a Syrian shell game that once they get the Golan back it will be same old same old except Israel will be a bad tactical position. From Golan you can rain missiles deep into N. Israel.

Olmert is a pansy of the highest order that would give his mother away in a shallow dream of becoming a peace maker. You want to know what a Obama presidency would look like just see Olmert.

-Hamas overran Gaza Olmert dillied.
-Hamas takes a Israeli soldier Olmert tried to bluff a military operation but when Hamas called his b*tch card he punked out and stopped.
-Hezbollah attacked (takes more soldiers) again he bluffed military again Hezbo’s pulled his b*tch card. Olmert panics and freezes in indecision ending with Israels first military defeat in her history and a now mythical super hezbollah for the March-14 to confront.
-Hamas again daily hammers of rockets into S Israel.
-Olmert calls embargo but regularly punks out allowing aid. Even thou there is evidence the food and gas shortages are Hamas generated (hording) to put international pressure on Israel.
-Olmert visits S Israel says “Israel has been rocketed before you will just have to get used to it” to a Israeli citizen that dared ask why the government was not protection them.

Now Olmert is talking about giving away Jerusulem to Fatah, Already Gaza to Hamas, Lebanon to Hezbollah, Golan to Syria, and who knows what else. What peace did Israel get for Gaza, for backing down to Hezbollah, for backing down to Hamas?

All of the comments here are pretty skeptical, mine included, but we should all pray for an actual, true and real peace. Hope for the best, while Israel prepares for the worst.

… And lo, it shall glow in the dark and the soil shall not produce.

The only good thing about negotiations with Hamas and Syria is that I know, fairly soon, they fall through due to intransigence by the irridentists who will never recognize or live in peace with Israel.

Olmert’s time is coming to a close, I think.

I should hope the Israelis know what’ll happen if the Golan Heights are given to Syrians. Bombs, bombs and more bombs. The Israelis would have to go back and take it again. Just like in 1967.

mjk on May 21, 2008 at 8:59 AM

B-b-but there will be a peace treaty!

Tony737 on May 21, 2008 at 9:17 AM

Bingo.

One word: taqqiya.

Tony737 on May 21, 2008 at 9:07 AM

Bingo.

Syria will promise to stop sponsorship of Hezbollah and Hamas, but Iran won’t.

Israel will sign a treaty and make the mistake of withdrawing from the Golan Heights (just as it was a mistake to withdraw from Gaza). The Golan Heights will be used to attack Israel. Israel will respond by destroying the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world:

Proclamation Against Syria and Israel
The burden against Damascus.

Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city,
And it will be a ruinous heap.

Isaiah 17:1

I’m pretty sure the Israelis know all about taqqiya. As soon as the agreement is signed, it’s worthless because the Syrians will be right back to their dirty ways.

The move seems surprising, coming so soon after Israel’s attack on a Syrian facility widely believed to be a clandestine nuclear facility…

Surprising? I think the attack explains the timing, actually.

Golan has strategic value not just for Israel’s defense but also for water rights.

Hezbollah and/or Hamas could poison Israel’s water supply that flows out of the Golan Heights.