GOP strategist: It’s “accurate” to call Hillary a “bitch”
posted at 9:23 pm on May 21, 2008 by Allahpundit
Oh lord. It’s Alex Castellanos, a man with a knack for soundbites and in fine form here. I went back and forth with a friend last night about where “bitch” ranks in the hierarchy of slurs, since some would never be used in polite company towards a candidate whereas this one occasionally gets deployed, even on air, towards Hillary. The closest male analog is “prick”: Both mean roughly the same thing and each applies (traditionally) only to one gender, but the threshold for the P-bomb seems higher than it is for the B-list. A “prick” is usually guilty of some sort of bad behavior apart from his aggressiveness, like a boss who screams at you in front of the entire office; a “bitch,” it seems to me, can end up getting tagged through aggressiveness alone, like a boss who screams at you behind closed doors. Given that lower threshold, I can understand women being angry/jittery at seeing one of their own slapped with the label while she tries for the ultimate alpha male job. Even so, Castellanos’s larger point that not every insult aimed at Clinton is aimed at the Eternal Feminine (even when it references other women, as Obama’s Annie Oakley dig did) is well taken. It’s not the crime of Being Aggressive While Female that got her this ugly little label; it happened long before this, like when she sneered at stay-at-home moms for baking cookies or started trying to destroy her political opponents. Dare I say it, that sort of behavior in a man would warrant the ceremonial dropping of the P-bomb. I’d like to think that’s what Castellanos meant, but by defining the term explicitly in terms of her aggressiveness he added rather more nuance than he should have. (Or, rather, rather less.) Bottom line: Don’t use it.
Two clips for you, then, the first of Castellanos and the second of our favorite liberal wondering why media types aren’t quite so evenhanded with their slurs. Admittedly, it’s hard to imagine anyone giggling on “Morning Joe” if McCain got called a “prick.”
Update: Further to the last paragraph, a commenter notes that “bitch” is commonplace on TV while “prick” is still taboo, which can cut both ways. The fact that it’s gone mainstream means people may feel instinctively safer to use it; the question then is, why has it gone mainstream? Maybe the real analog here is “bastard.”










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Bitch is used on TV all the time.
I have never heard the work Prick on TV.
EJDolbow on May 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM
B*tch is used on TV all the time.
I have never heard the word Pr*ck on TV.
Aside: Why is it you get to spell out these words in your post but they are scrapped down here in lowly commentor land? Cuss word discrimination.
EJDolbow on May 21, 2008 at 9:27 PM
On the plus side, every time this happens, 100 more NAGs will vote McCain in Novemeber.
I support McCain! (More points, please).
doodleduh on May 21, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Whew. I thought it was going to be a clip where a Rep said – Hillary is a b!tch. Nope, just a discussion of the idea. It’ll get played up, but it wasn’t as bad as I was expecting. Hillary attracts derogatory comments that cross the line, partly just because people hate her so much that line is blurred to invisible.
Said before, will say again, KP was great last night, and Beckel was pretty good, he didn’t irritate me.
And you can’t complain about something that women advertise by bumpersticks.
Spirit of 1776 on May 21, 2008 at 9:33 PM
In that case Michelle Obama is, too, but I’ll lay off the bitch.
SouthernGent on May 21, 2008 at 9:34 PM
He irritated the bejeezus out of me!
SouthernGent on May 21, 2008 at 9:37 PM
If I have a woman for President, and she has no capacity to be a bitch, she won’t be very effective.
So, I wouldn’t mind having a bitch for a President, just not that bitch.
Saltysam on May 21, 2008 at 9:39 PM
I didn’t see it all. I was watching Hume for the most part, ’cause nothing is better then a cranky Hume, and but then in one of the discussions they through it back and I was curious so I flipped over. He was cool enough then, but he gets on my nerves all the time on H&C, so I believe you!
Spirit of 1776 on May 21, 2008 at 9:41 PM
“Prick” refers to penis. Slang terms for genitalia is not acceptable by FCC standards. Descriptive and/or medical usage of genital terms is acceptable.
Prick seems analogous to c***. Bitch seems to go with bastard.
The Race Card on May 21, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Finally… I’ve been saying that for years.
Claypigeon on May 21, 2008 at 9:41 PM
First time I’ve ever seen this message on a RedLasso embed:
Stream failed to connect on any available ports.
I’ve refreshed the page a few times. I hope RL didn’t cave on the cease and desist letter.
malan89 on May 21, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Besides, it’s was a cool thing, or at least Hillary wasn’t complaining when SNL gave her that boost by saying “Bitches get things done”.
Spirit of 1776 on May 21, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Obvious link to what should be Hillary’s new theme song. I think she’d win a lot of people over!
SouthernGent on May 21, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Poor poor Hillary, she’s a socialist and proud of it, she doesn’t connect well with people, she wears clothes that look like they were purchased from a Goodwill fire sale. She has more baggage than the Los Angeles International airport, she has an obnoxious personally, she’s married to Bill Clinton and has a horrible message for America. She’s ran a lousy campaign, the very least of her problems is that she’s a woman.
Maxx on May 21, 2008 at 9:43 PM
It’s not that ‘bitch’ is necessarily all that bad of a word. I use it – jokingly – all the time. Hell, it has a few positive connotations: as in, its a pretty bitchin’ word and people should quit bitching about it.
But if you use it as an insult, aimed at a woman, you’ve lost whatever argument you were engaged in. It’s not just a slur; its a slur directed at a woman because she’s a woman.
Hillary is a bitter asshole. No doubt there, and no problem saying it.
But the second you call her a “bitch,” nobody will be listening to the rest of your statement.
You might as well call Obama a “n*****r” before commenting on his appeasement policies. You may be right, but you already lost the debate.
Professor Blather on May 21, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Alex Castellanos… that prick is such a dick.
CliffHanger on May 21, 2008 at 9:45 PM
The Race Card on May 21, 2008 at 9:41 PM
There is no gender requirement for “bastard”.
Prick has better parity.
Saltysam on May 21, 2008 at 9:47 PM
A bastard is an illegitimate male child.
Sort of hard not to have a gender requirement on that one.
Professor Blather on May 21, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Professor Blather on May 21, 2008 at 9:49 PM
What is an illegitimate female child?
Saltysam on May 21, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Working fine now.
malan89 on May 21, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Professor Blather on May 21, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Bastard definition.
Saltysam on May 21, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Professor Blather on May 21, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Sort of right, sort of wrong…
Saltysam on May 21, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Since McCain will win in Nov., four years from now, Hillary’s campaign song will be a familiar Elton John tune…
jgapinoy on May 21, 2008 at 9:57 PM
One more thing. If there was a woman running in this presidential race with real conservative values, a smart woman of strong character, yet with an affable personality along the lines of Margret Thacher, that woman would win the presidency hands down.
I hereby nominate Michelle Malkin for president of the United States….. do I hear a second?
Ahem (Allah, don’t forget to paste another gold star next to my loggon name)
Maxx on May 21, 2008 at 9:59 PM
Is it any less of an insult if dressed up in polysyllabic words from obscure lines of intellectual reasoning?
Senator Joe Bidden just on Fox news this week end looked right into the camera and spewed lie after lie. It was personally insulting because I could only assume that he thought me stupid, ignorant or a party fanatic who didn’t care that he was being dishonest.
Personally I am less insulted by profanity than by what Bidden did, but I regret seeing the decline in standards observed by broadcast TV.
When a woman hurls the ‘b word’ at another woman is it not the same thing as an inner city [black] gang banger calling a rival gang banger the ‘n word’?
Or is this thread a debate about the level of insult? The degree of offense intended, and taken? How much insult is sufficient to justify a punch in da nose?
rockhauler on May 21, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Oh, if Dr. Samuel Johnson were still with us, we could have a learned discussion among lexicographers of the relative meanings and connotations of bitch and prick.
In my mind, prick and bitch are not gender equivalents.
A bitch is also a female dog. My first dog, Susie, was a spayed bitch, but was very, very friendly.
Prick also refers to male anatomy.
Bastard is not an equivalent either, especially in feudal England.
Am I chauvinistic to believe that using bitch to describe being aggressive while female?
Sneering at stay-at-home moms for baking cookies is not being a bitch.
I can imagine Hillary being a bitch to her staff and/or Bill in private, but I have not seen any tape of her being a bitch in public.
It is my opinion that bitch can be used on this blog referring to Hillary or Bill or Barrack whenever they are bitchy.
Prick is too vulgar.
As I mentioned the other day, turd is too vulgar for this blog and should be left to the three year olds to say off line.
I have not formed an opinion regarding pissing.
Pissing and moaning does not have excretory connotations for me, but to be consistent and keep ourselves out of the gutter maybe we should not use both pissing and pissing and moaning.
slp on May 21, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Alex Castellanos angers me. We need a McCain victory so that the honor killing, lesbian killing muslims don’t get more victories. There are glass ceilings and then there is torture and execution. We should focus on Obama’s promise to stand with the muslim lesbian killers instead of calling Hillary a bitch.
If our Western feminists have so little a clue about the implications of misogyny, let’s keep their eyes on Obama and off McCain and the Republican Party.
thuja on May 21, 2008 at 10:04 PM
That was my thought, too. In truth, there probably isn’t a real equivalent male term, but I think bastard is a better approximation for the reason you give.
mikeyboss on May 21, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Right. I’m sort of right – you’re sort of wrong:
Bastard also (in true meaning and in slang use for an individual who is obnoxious or mean) is most commonly used to describe a male, while the accepted term for a female “bastard,” in both uses of the word, is “iglet.”
Even Shakespeare recognized the convention and used “female bastard” as a play on words – knowing he couldn’t just call her a bastard. See Act II, Scene 3 of Winter’s Tale.
And if the dictionary and the bard and the plain language aren’t simple enough – how about some common sense: have you ever in your life called a woman a “bastard” without being intentionally ironic?
Try iglet next time. Maybe it’ll catch on.
Professor Blather on May 21, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Well… it is.
freevillage on May 21, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Oh, that’s great! Iglet it is.
mikeyboss on May 21, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Nope, it comes from the Bible:
Acts 9:5, And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
The pricks were the goads an ox driver used to spur his ox ahead. It came to be a derogatiry term for one’s boss. “He’s a prick” means “He makes me work.”
Akzed on May 21, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Professor Blather on May 21, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Bastard as defined at Encarta:
“Bastard” is an equal opportunity, gender neutral word Professor, no need to put “female” in front of it.
Maxx on May 21, 2008 at 10:18 PM
geez…took you long enough
the analog for prick is the c word, as they both reduce the recipient to genetalia
p word and c word are for going nuclear
b and b are conventional weapons
PS the first prick who comes to mind….Elliot Spitzer
windansea on May 21, 2008 at 10:21 PM
How about “puta”?
mikeyboss on May 21, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Just curious… when’s the last time you heard a woman referred to as a “jerk”?
DrSteve on May 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I may get banned because of this, but that is the chance I will take.
Why does Hillary have 2 pair of lips?
So she can piss and moan at the same time.
cjs1943 on May 21, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Webster’s New Universal Unabridged Dictionary defines bastard as “a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child“. If that’s not enough for you, Black’s Law Dictionary Abridged Seventh Edition-”illegitimate child“. Both of these are the first definition, if that means anything to you, Professor.
In pre-Shakespeare England, during the reign of Henry VIII, his daughters Mary and Elizabeth were both referred to as bastard children, in the legal sense, at different times in their life.
Usually, when I’m wrong, I just admit it and move on, I don’t “blather on”. Then again, I’m not a Professor.
Saltysam on May 22, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Sorry, appearing as a representative for the repubican party and calling Hillary a bitch and saying it’s acceptable loses votes for the GOP. Was that this guy’s purpose?
We’re trying to get women who are POd by the way the Obama people treated her to vote McCain, so we repeat the same offensive behavior?
Assinine in the extreme. No wonder the GOP is having trouble if this is the public face.
funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Hillary is a bitter asshole. No doubt there, and no problem saying it.
PB says it better than I did. Not a surprise!
funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 12:08 AM
comment moderation, or just a bad connection?
funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Hillary is a bitter asshole. No doubt there, and no problem saying it.
absolutely correct, and better than I said it anyway.
Does this guy (supposed GOP strategist) want to attract middle class, middle aged Hillary supporters to the GOP ticket or not?
funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 12:12 AM
You certainly take license to extrapolate with that PhD. He damn well could have called her a bastard, much as he could of called you (if you were illegitimate) a male bastard.
Try a little uncommon sense…
Open the dictionary…and…read…it.
Saltysam on May 22, 2008 at 12:16 AM
CORRECTION:
…referred to as “bastards”.
Bastard children is redundant.
Saltysam on May 22, 2008 at 12:34 AM
professor blather is 100% correct here
funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Accurate…maybe. Unacceptable…absolutely.
Does the GOP want to attract female voters or not?
funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 12:38 AM
funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Not like you to interject without a supporting argument…
Writing your own dictionary are you?
Saltysam on May 22, 2008 at 12:49 AM
funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Oh, sorry, I’m a little slow. I get it, now.
Humble apology.
Saltysam on May 22, 2008 at 1:05 AM
I always kind of thought that “bitch” was analogous to “asshole.”
Sorry, mom. I’ll go wash my mouth out with soap now.
Russ on May 22, 2008 at 2:03 AM
Okay, she’s incompetent. There, I said it.
Glynn on May 22, 2008 at 2:09 AM
I now see that my grasp of vulgarity is rather poor. I use “prick” as one of my gentler swear words, along with “frack” and “darn”.
I have a lot of apologizing to do…
joewm315 on May 22, 2008 at 4:53 AM
My own observation is that for guys there are more stages of disagreeable behavior, adding more granularity to the nomenclature. Additionally, to up the ante, guys will then begin hurling traditionally female slurs at other guys to rub in that extra layer of nuance.
For women this granularity does not really occur, so when leveling a slur one is likely to begin with an already serious epitaph.
I find it interesting that I’ve heard women use “bitch” against other women just as often as men, if not moreso.
PolitiNOOB on May 22, 2008 at 8:25 AM
After a few years of an Obama administration we will all be pining for her bitchness.
TheSitRep on May 22, 2008 at 8:29 AM
It’s amazing to watch Dem shred their own.
What is the difference between Hitlery and the Panama Canal?
The Panama Canal is a busy ditch.
MSGTAS on May 22, 2008 at 10:32 AM
I wouldn’t say that the b word is inherently used towards females. I mean who hasn’t called Chris Matthews a . . . oh nevermind, I see the point now.
- The Cat
MirCat on May 22, 2008 at 2:23 PM