Fox just reported that the veto override passed, but because of the changes sent to the pres . . well they have to start over, so net result = bill won’t be enacted

- The Cat

MirCat on May 22, 2008 at 1:27 PM

So… can we thank our overbloated bureaucracy for this suicidal bill bungle?

funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 12:30 AM

You did no such thing! Do you really want to include pathalogical liar on your resume’? It’s really simple. You couldn’t stop with some sort of stupid comment about me being wrong (and posting propoganda from N-G) Instead you made it personal by commenting that it wasn’t “unusual” for me to be wrong.

That kind of mindless and needless personal attack just goes to show that you are a person of extremely low character. It figures that you find it fun to play the cyber bully. You don’t have the ability to wage a legitimate defense of your positions.

- The Cat

factually false. McCain has been a right bastard on wasteful spending for many years. Google Thad Cochran famous John McCain to see why some of his senate colleagues don’t care for him

McCain, Sessions, and Coburn have been the stalwarts on porkbusting too

funky chicken on May 22, 2008 at 12:27 AM

Show me the legislation then. Show me the vetoed bill, with the McCain-led alliance to make it stick. Show me the moratorium.

You say I.m factually false. Prove me wrong.

Show me.

BILL TITLE: Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act

Take note that “Bioenergy” is a big push of the Global Warming Zealots. Meanwhile, the bioenergy push is causing more harm than good to humanity worldwide.

Those myth-believing zealots are trying to destroy this country while appearing “moral” as they do so.

Wake up, Neo…

P.S. I already expect those commenters who don’t believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to accuse me of being a “myth-believing zealot trying to destroy this country while appearing ‘moral’ as he does so”. So don’t go there…I’ve beaten you to the punch, and God is who He says He is.

Bravo, President Bush. Remember the Alamo!

Am. Spectator has a good article:http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13252

As a Ag Prod. Engineer (farmer), this bill is just more Dem. Pork thrown at us. I have stated on several Ag Blogs that we should be the 1st group to say no thanks…..maybe could start a trend.

that being said…..of this bill, farm pymts account for approx 17% of total, Food stamps, school food etc accnt for 67% and conservation programs/pork for remainder….so dont throw the farmers out the window just yet…..

its called a “farm bill” but that is like says just cause McCain in GOP he is consevative…..2 diff. animals….

Same thing with Ethanol….does not deserve the bad press the Grocery Manf. Group paying for……has replaced the equiv. of 3 oil refinery’s, employed 170k people, only accts for mabye 25% of food price increase,

I’d say keep ethanol program, phase out the govt subsidies and take away the this bloated farm bill…….

Sure, the weather disaster provisions are nice, but hey every business has a risk level….build it into your finanicials……

Its just like govt help for college tuition…whatever govt tries to do to help the Univ. System sponges up in increase costs……farmers do the same for any money pumped at them in this type of farm bill……land rents and land prices, inputs have went thru the roof…..profit level volitile.

Dem’s and media appear trying to use money to split support from GOP in the red states….now that is a new idea from them…….

I responded and gave you a whole list. But is supporting school choice and opposing the government monopoly on education suddenly not kosher with conservatives?

Privatization of Social Security not cool any more?

Recognizing that radical Islamic terrorists are more of a threat to us than bad subprime mortgages is a bad thing?

I provided concrete answers to your supposed wish for information. I knew it wasn’t sincere, but figured I’d respond just for fun.

3) Earmarks – He has not once rallied to build any sort of coalition to back a Presidential veto of bloated spending bills. He has not sponsored one piece of legislation to end earmarks. He has not cajoled his friends in the Senate into agreeing to even a temporary earmark moratorium.

factually false. McCain has been a right bastard on wasteful spending for many years. Google Thad Cochran famous John McCain to see why some of his senate colleagues don’t care for him

McCain, Sessions, and Coburn have been the stalwarts on porkbusting too

Action stalled, however, after the discovery that Congress had omitted a 34-page section of the bill when lawmakers sent the massive measure to the White House. That means Bush vetoed a different bill from the one Congress passed, leaving leaders scrambling to figure out whether it could become law.

Democrats hoped to pass the entire bill, again, on Thursday under expedited rules usually reserved for unopposed legislation. Lawmakers also probably will have to pass an extension of current farm law, which expires Friday.

I cannot. But that is not my goal. I have two simple choices both involving faith of a sort. I have Obama and his spoken issues and I have the few I mentioned by McCain.

What I know is one of them will be elected President. McCain has stated very clearly, just recently again, the four items I mentioned. Is he lying? I’ll have to find out. I know Obama is probably telling the truth. I’m certainly not voting for him.

What I am definitely not doing is throwing my vote away by staying home, writing myself in, voting in some form or other as a protest.

It’s either McCain or Obama. I did not make the rules. If McCain is lying to me, so be it. But if he is not, I have voted for the better candidate for the reasons I stated.

But these four say enough. Maintaining Bush taxe cuts, the war on terror, earmarks/porkbusters and activist judges…

patrick neid on May 21, 2008 at 9:53 PM

I have questions.

What evidence do you have, based on John McCain’s legislative and rhetorical records of the past ten years that these things will come to pass as you believe they will?

Thus far, these things are true:

1) Tax Cuts – McCain has been far more public about his disdain for the tax cuts than he has in supporting him. His opposition to the cuts borrowed directly from the language of the left and happened at a time when making them permanent was a real possibility.

2) The War on Terror – McCain is a mixed bag here. Indeed he rightly called for, and has stedfastly supported, the surge. He has not wavered in his desire to diplomatically isolate Iran. However, he has been just as steadfast about closing Guantanamo Bay and putting all of those illegal combatants into the US criminal justice system instead of an alternate military trial system where they belong. He not only refused to defend our soldiers when they were being slandered by Ted Kennedy and Dick Durbin but he has explicitly forced them into a corner with his anti-torture legislation.

3) Earmarks – He has not once rallied to build any sort of coalition to back a Presidential veto of bloated spending bills. He has not sponsored one piece of legislation to end earmarks. He has not cajoled his friends in the Senate into agreeing to even a temporary earmark moratorium.

4) Activist judges – While his Gang of 14 agreement allowed for an easier confirmation of two Supreme Court Justices, it also prevented more than a few eminently qualified nominees from even reaching an up or down vote in the Senate. It circumvented the democratic processes of Congress and placed the ultimate fates of nominees in the hands of a few Senators, an explicitly unconstitutional practice.

This is what has happened. What can you show me to convince me that these actions mean less than his campaign rhetoric?

If the Republicans had any sense they’d switch their votes. I won’t hold my breath.

SouthernGent on May 21, 2008 at 9:23 PM

hey!! great idea…let’s switch and vote for change

The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore has done the math on Obama’s tax plan. He says it will add up to a 39.6 percent personal income tax, a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent estate tax.

Sorry it took so long but I have a life outside of here. If this rambles I blame it on the martinis. Anyway to your quote:

“Well Patrick,

Then you McCain apologists need to start convincing the rest of us why we should be voting for McCain. To date all you people have been doing is shrieking that we need to be voting AGAINST Obama. If you are so certain that McCain is Christ returned to earth and the rest of us are wrong in our criticism- put up or shut up.”

To begin, a couple of things come to mind. One, I’m a far cry from a McCain apologist. I make no apologies for not having him on my short list of candidates. In fact he wasn’t on my long list. Without remorse my picks, for reasons I won’t bore you with, were Rudy and Fred. I lose, McCain wins.

Shocked probably just like you were. How dumb am I? I thought Hillary was going to be the dem nominee. I have said as much since November 04.

Moving forward, Obama seems to be the odds on favorite. That said a few months ago I spent about a week checking him out. You know, the normal internet bullshit. That said, I can tell you that with my limited three digit IQ there is a world of difference between Obama and McCain. Now far be it from me to suggest that the difference includes walking on water.

But these four say enough. Maintaining Bush taxe cuts, the war on terror, earmarks/porkbusters and activist judges. There are several others most of which have been mentioned.

As to changing your mind, that I don’t even attempt. My prey are the folks who have not made up their minds. This role, in my charming Irish way is to point out the blarney, such that open minds might see the differences.

So in summary, you, with your fellow crusaders have an agenda. Is it some strain of purist conservative thought akin to the Utopians during the 1800’s who named all the cities along the Erie canal with Roman and Athenian names, why, I have no idea. What I am certain of, like those and the communes they founded, your purism in the face of reality will result in failure with one exception however. A footnote for the historical minded. From this hotbed of purist thought sprang one Joseph Smith Jr from a town named after an ancient Syrian city-Palmyra, along the Erie canal. Yes, that Mr Smith who founded Mormonism thus completing the cycle to Romney, a potential VP candidate. Whew, I have got to lay off the martinis.

One final question. Do you actually think that folks are going to stay home and not vote thereby electing Obama without a fight? You know, I’m taking my ball and going home? You would have had a tough childhood in my neighborhood.

Hard to imagine when McCain also advocates passage of the business crushing Kyoto protocol. Even clean coal would require the American economy purchase “credits” from foreign nations.

highhopes on May 21, 2008 at 8:35 PM

He has promoted tax credits for clean coal technologies. You can read his comments on RCP. Nuclear should be part of the mix and McCain will do more in that area than Obama.

It’s one thing to say I’m wrong. Funky idiot went further than that for no apparent reason than he/she/it doesn’t share my loathing for John McCain. He/she/it likes to be a cyber bully perhaps because he/she/it doesn’t have any facts to back up claims of McCain’s perfection in a world of sinners. Still trying to figure out why it decided to bully my comments.

highhopes on May 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM

man up…you’re getting your clock cleaned by a girl

I doubt Funky thinks McCain is the savior, if I recall she liked Romney before. I wish McCain was more conservative but he’s all we have to work with this time. The conservative brand is damaged, it will rise again when someone like Jindal proves it’s worth on a state level. I doubt any true conservative could win this election.

Quit pouting or we’ll just replace your vote with a disgruntled Hillaryite. :) Do I need to post Obama’s tax plans for you again?

misterpeasea on May 21, 2008 at 6:03 PM

It’s one thing to say I’m wrong. Funky idiot went further than that for no apparent reason than he/she/it doesn’t share my loathing for John McCain. He/she/it likes to be a cyber bully perhaps because he/she/it doesn’t have any facts to back up claims of McCain’s perfection in a world of sinners. Still trying to figure out why it decided to bully my comments.

I disagree with McCain on ANWR but think he’d be more aggressive on nuclear and clean coal than Obama.

dedalus on May 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Hard to imagine when McCain also advocates passage of the business crushing Kyoto protocol. Even clean coal would require the American economy purchase “credits” from foreign nations.

THAT BASTARD, right highhopes?

Funky,

I don’t know who you think you are but seems to me your personal attacks are unwarranted. You think McCain is Christ returned to earth without a fault. I think otherwise.

Defend your position if you can but stop with the personal attacks.

…even if Bush’s veto doesn’t hold…

Liberty or Death on May 21, 2008 at 7:04 PM

His veto didn’t even last to the end of the day. It was overridden in the House 316-108.

The galling thing is that it was overridden with some vocal help from at least one conservative leader.

/eyeroll