Open thread: Kentucky and Oregon; Update: Hillary wins Kentucky; Update: Obama wins Oregon
posted at 6:00 pm on May 20, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Are conclusions this foregone liveblogworthy? No. Threadworthy? Sure! There’s bound to be something tasty in the exit polls, and think what fun we’ll have dissecting the media’s angst if Her Majesty manages to hang another 40-point blowout around the presumptive nominee’s neck. He’s going to clinch a majority of pledged delegates too, which adds some intrigue to their victory speeches later on. Will Hillary hint that the end is near? Or will she continue to rock on, perhaps punctuating her defiant address with a sassy, “See you in Puerto Rico, sucka”?
Back soon with data. While you wait, enjoy incompetent former Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle rubbing salt in the wounds she inflicted on Hillary; dissension in the ranks between Hillary aides who think it’s time to defect to Obama and diehards who have imbibed the proverbial Kool-Aid; and Richard Cohen with an uncharacteristically trenchant piece on why Hillary fights on. It’s all about the grittiness — in which case, er, what’s with the sudden whining about sexism?
Update: See what I mean?
According to CBS News early exit polling, in Kentucky, eight in ten Clinton voters said they would be dissatisfied if Obama was the Democratic nominee. Obama voters were about evenly split on whether they would be satisfied if Clinton got the nomination.
In Kentucky, just 33 percent of Clinton voters said they would back Obama in the general election if he is the Democratic nominee - 41 percent said they will vote for McCain, and another 23 percent say they won’t vote.
Update: The evening’s first foregone conclusion is in the books as the nets call Kentucky for Hillary. Here’s the full exit poll; based on the gender breakdown, she’s looking at roughly a 66/34 win with a 40-point spread among women. Interesting tidbit: Of the 42% of Democrats who say Obama shouldn’t pick Hillary as VP, fully half of them voted today for Hillary. I’m not sure how to interpret that. This is fun, too:
Racial polarization? Obama wins blacks 88/7, Hillary wins whites 72/22, with 21% of voters saying race was important (among whites who said so, Hillary won 86%). To put that in perspective for you, it’s a bigger margin among whites than she had in Mississippi. I wonder if this has anything to do with that:
Update: Here are the exits for Oregon. Gender breakdown says Obama should win by 10 points or so. Obama wins across almost all demographics, including white Democrats (whites made up 85% of all voters) and loses among white women by a single point. Only 12% say they’ll vote for McCain over Obama and only 10% say race was important to them — and of those, 51% voted for Obama.
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We order ours on the net from Hawaii (mmmm… Kona). Costs only a tiny bit more than Folgers or something at the local grocery store, but smells and tastes SO much better. And they bring it right to the door.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 10:11 PM
You’re not old; you’re “mellow.” Anyway, that what the step uncle uses as his baby boomer euphemism for getting old {yep, he’s a lib}
The sad thing is not that coffee used to be 25 cents but that most college degrees are only worth about 25 cents in the real world.
Getting cranky - where are those “hopiates” from before - could use some, or stop posting….
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Pass the popcorn, guys.
BTW, if anyone wants to join me for a nice day of cod fish fries, some arepas and a few other fried stuff with plenty of soda and fun in the sun while waiting for the Puerto Rican primary results, let me know. I’ll get the fryer ready! ;-)
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Didn’t Huckabee also “Love Iowa?” hahahaha
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Que?
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Hillary! puts North Carolina in play…Obama does not?!?!?! WTF?
SouthernGent on May 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM
By all means, do it! FYI for others, although I’m sure techno_barbarian already knows - the official Obama Campaign fonts are Gotham (sans serif) and Requiem (serif).
Interstate Bold and Trade Gothic Bold No. 2 could be semi-credible substitutes for Gotham, if they’re all you’ve got.
Looking forward to it. Excellent!
Gilda on May 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Obami just sounds like he is running for class president and not a nation; is just me?
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Are you in Puerto Rico?
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Obama is speaking,now!
Does he have the delegate count to be nominee??
canopfor on May 20, 2008 at 10:19 PM
I am from Puerto Rico, if that’s really the question.
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:19 PM
no
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Thanks for the insight into Obamafonts…what’s up with his logo anyway? Looks like peppermint vomiting from a hole.
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 10:20 PM
I agree that there’d be a bigger rift in the Democrat party, Sharpton et al would take to the streets, probably a riot or two. But she’d have a shot at winning the general against McCain. I just have a bad feeling about her.
Oldnuke on May 20, 2008 at 10:20 PM
KY final:
Clinton 65%
Obama 30%
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 10:21 PM
An arepa is a flour cake, that tastes like a tortilla if added the right combination of flour and lard or oil. It’s usually fried and served with cod fish or some other vegetable, like a yautia - all of it local food.
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:21 PM
I think it’s supposed to be a sun rising above a corn field. Probably one of the Iowa panders from earlier in the campaign.
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 10:21 PM
I hear Puerto Rico is a splendid tourist destination. Are you/were you native long enough to opine?
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 10:21 PM
No, but we haven’t check OR yet.
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:22 PM
I was born/raised there. Been living in TX for 10 years, though.
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Another landslide.
As always, thank you for posting the results as they came in during the afternoon and evening.
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Final count (with a few hundred votes yet to trickle in
HRC 459,145 65%
BHO 209,791 30%
A 35 point wipeout despite the fact that BHO is the perceived primary winner already. Already.
Amazing.
MaiDee on May 20, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Obama just yapped about “straight talk”!
canopfor on May 20, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Obama is counting his chickens before they’re hatched, guys.
***
Oh, BTW, RushBaby: also from Puerto Rican parents, if you’re curious.
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:25 PM
I did not know that. I can barely stand to look at obambi. But thanks so much for the assist.
I’ve been mulling it over and in my mind’s eye I see something in the (obviously) soviet-red background behind his head, which will take up most of the space (vertically oriented propaganda poster sized rect… it’s indistinct, but symbolically something to mimic the soviet sickle and hammer. I see it in an appropriate shade of yellow…
Help a brutha out with some suggestions?
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Well, obviously TX is the best tourist attraction in the country. 5 distinct geographical areas, friendly-ish govt, and the warmest people in the world!
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Then how will they come home to roost?
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 10:28 PM
No.
bnelson44 on May 20,2008 at 10:20PM.
bnelson44: Thank-you,I’ve got CNN on and they’ve
got breaking news,Obama has the delegate
count!
Sounds like their doing physc-op on HilRod!
canopfor on May 20, 2008 at 10:29 PM
When I go to my dark conspiracy theory corner I wonder if this whole thing was not orchestrated by Hillary to make her acceptable to Republicans. You know, Barack Obama does not really exist, Michelle Obama is an actress from Canada, etc.
This political landscape looks nothing like we thought it would just a few months ago (Dec 2007). I suspect it will really be different again after the conventions.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Kentucky: Precincts Reporting: 100%
Democrats
Candidate # of votes % of total
Hillary Clinton 458,645 67.20%
Barack Obama 209,731 30.73%
John Edwards 14,175 2.08%
Republicans
Candidate # of votes % of total
John McCain 142,854 72.30%
Mike Huckabee 16,238 8.22%
Ron Paul 13,439 6.80%
Uncommitted 10,629 5.38%
Mitt Romney 9,151 4.63%
Rudy Giuliani 3,126 1.58%
Observations:
1) McCain only got 5% more of the Republican Primary vote (72%) than Hillary got of Democrat Primary vote (67%).
2) Huckabee’s impromptu joke at the NRA may have cost him getting into double digits, but once again, Mike Huckabee beat the rest of the pack (Ron Paul, Uncommitted, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani)
Red Pill on May 20, 2008 at 10:30 PM
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 10:27 PM
One negative: terrible Tex-Mex. The one that did it for me was a billboard for a hotel near Kingsville: Pickup Truck Parking/Estaciona para troca.
AAARRGGHH!
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Obama is talking and sounded as stupid as ever, sheep are gobbling it up though.
jp on May 20, 2008 at 10:30 PM
An American flag pin with the international circle with a slash thingy.
O/T Enough with the “yes we can.” Get a job.
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 10:30 PM
He does not have the delegates needed but he now has the majortiy.
It is just huey and he don’t win until she quits.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Heh!
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Recording some of his speech. Listening to music on another part of the dish (listening to him just pisses me off).
He’s feeling it. I’ll get a better grab out of this footage. I want the head back arrogance to come through. Not very good lighting on him though.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Boy,Obama is on a tear,he’s winding this puppy up
pretty good!
He’s got CHANGE FEVER!
canopfor on May 20, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Gracias! That sounds great!
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Yup! Curious isn’t it? I do have to admit this is the most entertaining primary season that I can remember but it’s becoming tedious. I generally tend to steer clear of conspiracy theories but, hey, in her case I’ll make an exception :-) it adds to the entertainment value.
Oldnuke on May 20, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Ahh, I see that all the Obama brand-development focus-grouping has been somehow lost on you. What are you, some kind of rugged individual or something?
My professional take on it, from long years of experience:
Obama’s logo is perfectly positioned for, and deliberately evocative of, the personal care sector.
Personal care includes toothpastes, lotions, shavers, soaps, hair care, skin treatments and so on. My initial, and still, impression of the Obama logo is that it says, in essence, creamy shampoo. Good for you, and safe. Soothing, spa-like. Nice perfumed scent.
Those unfamiliar with the branding and advertising business may dismiss this take as ridiculous but those who’ve been in it will know exactly what I mean.
Those familiar with the cosmetics and personal care industries know that the differentiating factors are not the ingredients or the results, but just the marketing and packaging. The Obama camp is using this approach to a presidential campaign. I’m shocked anyone would fall for it, but they are.
Gilda on May 20, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Yep, he’s claiming the most delegates, but FL and MI are the elephant in the living room.
Denver will be a bloodbath.
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Good god what a wind bag! STFU!
SouthernGent on May 20, 2008 at 10:39 PM
In other words, “Metrosexual.”
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Nailed it.
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Makes perfect sense. Perfumed Hole.
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Its just huey.
EJDolbow on May 20,2008 at 10:31PM.
EJDolbow: Good lord Hillary’s gonna push this like Thelma
and Louieze going over the cliff!
Ya know,this is like ground hog day,but the
twist is its Barack Bismark firing the last
shot at HilRod the Hood and just before
Ka-Bloowy of the main magazine,
POOF,
Where right back to the next primary!!!!!!
canopfor on May 20, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Hate to soil my beloved flag by involving it in this piece. Have to think about that. Hell, maybe it’s better to just go ahead and use the sickle and hammer? Why pussyfoot around.
Forest Gump: “Obama and marx are like peas and carrots.”
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Oh,and thanks for the suggestion, Branch. Appreciate it.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I used to work a lot in Venezuela and they were served with every meal except breakfast. If I recall correctly, they were made with corn flour, not wheat. Tasty.
a capella on May 20, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I hope to God Obama does not win the election, because I honestly can not stand the guy. I mean that. He gives me the willies. The cult following, the smug superior lecturing. All of it, including the creamy shampoo thing.
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I just learned a secrete about my grocery store. Every 4 to 6 weeks they put this coffee on sale Buy one get one Free. Sometime in between those sales they have one of those shelf coupon racks with $1.00, $1.50 or $2.00 coupons. The idea is for you to use the coupons when it is full price.
I take several coupons and hold them until the coffee goes back on Buy One Get One Free.
My goal is to get the Supermarket to pay me after totalling my groceries!
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 10:49 PM
{Tye}
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 10:50 PM
// Cleaning spewed Sam Adams off my laptop screen. Thanks RB.
Great insight Gilda.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 10:50 PM
It is hard to believe the man could get beat like this in several states and still be the nominee. I know the Republicans are down about this year, but it seems to me the Democrats might have some real problems of their own to deal with. I think most Dems will get behind their nominee in the end, but some of them will vote for McCain and some of them just might not vote at all.
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Fox will call the race in OR at 8pm PST
So it won’t be close
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Be afraid of what his followers might do if he loses.
But if he wins, Heaven help us all. They are going to go Bolshevik on us!
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:53 PM
And that wife of his is such a world class rhymes with witch.
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 10:53 PM
I really don’t see how Obama can lose the election. Hillary is running for VP now.
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 10:53 PM
newton:
I don’t know what they will do. They say they are pacifists, maybe they will hold their breath til they all pass out. Riot, act stupid, same as usual. But that is the breaks.
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 10:54 PM
If that was directed to me, I wasn’t in the coffee discussion. Although I roast my own and it’s fairly cheap depending on which bean you want.
Oldnuke on May 20, 2008 at 10:54 PM
So now I gotta make 2 versions of the poster. One that says “Hopiate of the Masses” and another that says, “Perfumed Hole”.
This is way too much fun.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 10:54 PM
VP? After all of this stuff we have witnessed? Please.
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Oh just great, now I’m thinking of flying
Unicorns flying in and out of creamy shampoo
water falls!
canopfor on May 20, 2008 at 10:55 PM
I tell you that those guys have increased their hatred and insanity levels to such a height that I just can’t see them acting civilized if he wins. I just don’t see it.
newton on May 20, 2008 at 10:56 PM
bnelson:
Well time will tell on that. But, I have heard that most of her people do not want her take it and most of his do not want him to offer it.
6 months is an eternity in an election. One thing about it, they both have high negatives. It might not help to put her on the ticket.
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 10:56 PM
newton:
Maybe, but that does not mean we let the Chose One win just to kiss their asses. They gotta grow up sometime.
And what if he does win and they discover he is full of it. Then what?
The Lord of the Flies comes to mind.
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 10:58 PM
canopfur:
Don’t forget the laughing flowers and singing butterflies and clap if you believe!
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Just be sure to
blamegive credit to Gilda.RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 11:00 PM
I think he’s going to “pull a (Bill) Clinton” to keep them in line.
newton on May 20, 2008 at 11:00 PM
To many men, especially those beyond college age with accomplishments and families and experience of their own, certainly.
But to others, following the well-researched paths of personal care sector design, Obama’s logo and whole visual approach says:
- Self-enhancing
- Self-indulgent
- Status-enhancing
- Mass Luxury (anyone can have what the privileged elite/celebrities have - this is a HUGE component of Obama’s appeal)
- Soft (note the overuse of gradients and blurred edges)
- Comforting
- Good/Beneficial for you
- Safe
None of this is an accident. Anybody thinking “wolf in sheep’s clothing” has the right idea.
Gilda on May 20, 2008 at 11:02 PM
No “gravitas”. I reckon she’ll get defeated in her next run for Senate.
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Has to include a burning torch or two.
OldEnglish on May 20, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Gilda:
That is just scary.
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 11:03 PM
:-)
Red Pill on May 20, 2008 at 11:05 PM
newton:
I dunno. I was struck by how many people in Ky. went out and voted against Obama even when they had been told by every talking head in the country that Hillary was toast.
That means something, I am just not sure what.
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Obamarx
Red Pill on May 20, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Just think if Rudy had run against her for that seat in NY he might have won it.
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I’m toying with the idea of just doing a scrolling set of movie credits at the end. ;o)
The poster’s pretty easy. The animated version with the soviet national anthem will take a little longer. And I’m not going to do it tonight. I’ll try to make some time tomorrow. Gots real work to do.
Fox is calling it for obambi in OR.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 11:07 PM
That means Mike Huckabee is the supreme loser. He lost and he lost in KENTUCKY!! Kentucky is Huckabee country.
Let’s let look a few states Huckabee not only lost, but lost UGLY during the early part of the primary and at the height of Huckamania in the press.
California– 12% (500,000, yes One Half million votes behind Romney)
Colorado — 13%
Connecticut –7%
Maine –6%
Massachusetts –4%
Montana 15% — He finished BEHIND Ron Paul
Nevada 8% — Behind Ron Paul
New Hampshire — 11%
New Jersey –8%
New York — 11%
North Dakota — 20% Behind Ron Paul
Utah –2% Behind Ron Paul
Mike Huckabee came in BEHIND Ron Paul in 4 states. No other so-called “top tier candidate” was so soundly defeated in any state, much less in more than he won.
Let me explain this to you in very plain terms. A majority of Republicans do not like Mike Huckabee. This is why he did not get the nomination.
Huckabee took an extreme right turn from his record as Governor of Arkansas during the primaries. In so doing he decreased his popularity with folks in the middle and on the left. In order to win the general you have to have MOST of the Republicans and a good deal of independents and Democrats.
This is why Huckabee would never win a General Election.
You can fantasize about it all you want but Mike Huckabee will never be the president of The United States for another very simple reason, the more people see of him the less they like him.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Fox calls OR for Obama
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 11:08 PM
I exposited at length. You succinctly distilled it to Perfumed Hole, which I, umm, holeheartedly endorse.
All credit belongs where it’s due. To you.
Ha! I love this!
Gilda on May 20, 2008 at 11:08 PM
I was struck by how many people in Ky. went out and voted against McCain even when they had been told by every talking head in the country that Huckabee was toast.
That means something…
Red Pill on May 20, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Hmmmm… and some pitchforks! Thanks! Add another line to the credits. ;o)
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Don’t forget…
Terrye on May 20,2008 at 10:59PM.
Terrye:This is what happenes when you watch too much
Red Eye,and Unicorn Jones!Hahahhahaha. :)
canopfor on May 20, 2008 at 11:10 PM
It ain’t happenin’, RP.
Cyber’s Collie told me.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 11:11 PM
So,I guess tonight was not to Bitter and clingy! NO?
canopfor on May 20, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Huckabee not on the ballot in OR. Ron Paul getting roughly the same % of the vote as Huckabee and Paul combined got in KY.
Red Pill on May 20, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Brit Hume is quite animated tonight…lol.
SouthernGent on May 20, 2008 at 11:11 PM
It doesn’t mean much.
There were more Democrats who voted “uncommitted” than Republicans who voted for Huck. Republicans simply didn’t turn out because the primary is decided.
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 11:13 PM
You must be dyslexic. It wasn’t a dog who told me…
:-)
Red Pill on May 20, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Red Pill:
Not the same thing at all. Huckabee has conceded. McCain has the numbers. By now most primary voters do not even bother showing up.
But the Democrats are different this year.
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Well done. Wondered if you’d get your own joke. ;o)
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 11:15 PM
I have not even had Fox on tonight. I admit it, it is getting harder and harder for me to watch the coverage, even though I like Brit Hume.
It is less painful to read about it somehow.
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Well obambi is still bitterly clinging desperately to his Hope and Change.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 11:16 PM
This whole campaign has gone on way too long. It seems like Obama has been running for President for longer than he has been a Senator.
It just goes on and on and on.
Just think, the price of oil has doubled since the Democrats took Congress and gas has gone from $2.25 a gallon to almost $4 a gallon. Just think what they can do when they have complete control of the government.
I think I need to get a horse and buggy. The Amish might have the right idea after all.
Terrye on May 20, 2008 at 11:19 PM
John McCain should promise the Huckster Secretary of Agriculture and stop all speculation of this tool getting the nod for VP.
Pax americana on May 20, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Not true.
Democrats
Precincts Reporting: 100%
winner: Hillary Clinton
Candidate # of votes % of total
Hillary Clinton 459,145 67.22%
Barack Obama 209,771 30.71%
John Edwards 14,182 2.08%
——————————–
Total 100%
Red Pill on May 20, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Time once again for:
Barack OBollywood!!!!
http://www.youtube./watch?v=sA-451XMsuY
canopfor on May 20, 2008 at 11:20 PM
The Barack video will give tou that CULT Following feel!
Ha HA!
canopfor on May 20, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Same here. I hardly watch any TV anymore. Thinking very seriously about discontinuing the service on the dish. Just not worth it, as there is literally nothing worth watching on most of the time.
I think we’re going to get Rock Band and ditch the dish. Plus, with the PS3 we get that sweet Blu-ray player so I can watch ‘300′ on the big screen in HD.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 11:22 PM
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