Open thread: Kentucky and Oregon; Update: Hillary wins Kentucky; Update: Obama wins Oregon
posted at 6:00 pm on May 20, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Are conclusions this foregone liveblogworthy? No. Threadworthy? Sure! There’s bound to be something tasty in the exit polls, and think what fun we’ll have dissecting the media’s angst if Her Majesty manages to hang another 40-point blowout around the presumptive nominee’s neck. He’s going to clinch a majority of pledged delegates too, which adds some intrigue to their victory speeches later on. Will Hillary hint that the end is near? Or will she continue to rock on, perhaps punctuating her defiant address with a sassy, “See you in Puerto Rico, sucka”?
Back soon with data. While you wait, enjoy incompetent former Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle rubbing salt in the wounds she inflicted on Hillary; dissension in the ranks between Hillary aides who think it’s time to defect to Obama and diehards who have imbibed the proverbial Kool-Aid; and Richard Cohen with an uncharacteristically trenchant piece on why Hillary fights on. It’s all about the grittiness — in which case, er, what’s with the sudden whining about sexism?
Update: See what I mean?
According to CBS News early exit polling, in Kentucky, eight in ten Clinton voters said they would be dissatisfied if Obama was the Democratic nominee. Obama voters were about evenly split on whether they would be satisfied if Clinton got the nomination.
In Kentucky, just 33 percent of Clinton voters said they would back Obama in the general election if he is the Democratic nominee - 41 percent said they will vote for McCain, and another 23 percent say they won’t vote.
Update: The evening’s first foregone conclusion is in the books as the nets call Kentucky for Hillary. Here’s the full exit poll; based on the gender breakdown, she’s looking at roughly a 66/34 win with a 40-point spread among women. Interesting tidbit: Of the 42% of Democrats who say Obama shouldn’t pick Hillary as VP, fully half of them voted today for Hillary. I’m not sure how to interpret that. This is fun, too:
Racial polarization? Obama wins blacks 88/7, Hillary wins whites 72/22, with 21% of voters saying race was important (among whites who said so, Hillary won 86%). To put that in perspective for you, it’s a bigger margin among whites than she had in Mississippi. I wonder if this has anything to do with that:
Update: Here are the exits for Oregon. Gender breakdown says Obama should win by 10 points or so. Obama wins across almost all demographics, including white Democrats (whites made up 85% of all voters) and loses among white women by a single point. Only 12% say they’ll vote for McCain over Obama and only 10% say race was important to them — and of those, 51% voted for Obama.
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The world is Topsy Turvy!!
If you told me last year that now Hillary would be losing and I would have regrets about that I would have demanded you hand over your car keys.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Kentucky clings bitterly to its clintons
William Amos on May 20, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Hillary for U&ME. Take it to the convention. Break the party up in two. Let’s make some McCainocrats.
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Damn. At first, I thought that the schism between Obama and Clinton supporters seemed enough like the epidemic of supposed McCain refuseniks to disregard it. This kind of data calls that into question.
Big S on May 20, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Hee hee. It’s almost sinful how much I’m enjoying all of this…
JohnAGJ on May 20, 2008 at 6:16 PM
That’s not just CBS numbers, either. Fox exits also show just 33% of Clinton Dems backing Obama.
amerpundit on May 20, 2008 at 6:17 PM
I imagine that same thought is crossing the minds of the superdelegates.
a capella on May 20, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Mark Halperin:
What, those bitter Bible-thumpers aren’t backing Obama?
amerpundit on May 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM
EJDolbow…..
Are you going to apologize? Or at least acknowledge what you did?
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Please let it be a 35% thumping in Kentucky and less than 10% loss in Oregon! I can’t believe I’m rooting for Hillary …again and again and again!
SouthernGent on May 20, 2008 at 6:24 PM
In that pic, she looks like she has her shoulders pinned up to her ears and the face looks shocked into “Oh. My. God. He’s touching me! Gotta keep the smile on. Don’t gag!…”
eeyore on May 20, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Raaacist
Valiant on May 20, 2008 at 6:26 PM
I will consider apologizing but I haven’t done anything wrong in minutes.
(What did I do THIS time?)
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Well Obama ignored Kentucky because it listens to fox news but
Sam Donaldson tells Obama to stop being huffy about his wife
William Amos on May 20, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Pretty strong stuff.
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 6:31 PM
I still think she’s holding a stinky bomb for Barry and trying to figure out how to drop it without getting her fingers dirty. Timing is everything.
a capella on May 20, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Nope, I stand by that.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 6:32 PM
You obviously didn’t read the whole thread then.
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 6:34 PM
So you don’t take offense to people making fun of somebody else because of their faith, but you get pissed when others call them on it? Join apacalyps and the other bigoted trolls.
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 6:36 PM
Raaaaaaaaaaaaaacists. Or just conservative. Or both.
Seixon on May 20, 2008 at 6:36 PM
EJDolbow
malan89
CHICK FIGHT!
right2bright on May 20, 2008 at 6:40 PM
I’m
not
a
woman.
Where
did
you
get
that
idea?
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 6:41 PM
I DO Apologize TO YOU.
I just went back and read the thread.
I stand by the statement but I made it to you when I meant it for somebody else.
I am sorry for my error in pointing it at you.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Add that to the list of racist things we won’t be able to talk about.
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 6:48 PM
That’s fine. I thought you were one of the people out promoting some of that filth. But now I do remember you defending the groups being attacked by the same group of hateful comment goons in past threads. My bad for assuming you were one of them.
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 6:48 PM
EJDolbow
malan89
Thank goodness you cleared up your misunderstanding, because both of you are quality folks!
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM
CNN is reporting 11% of precincts in
Clinton 50%
Obama 47%
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM
I can only hope that those are from urban areas.
Thank you.
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Yea
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 6:58 PM
The night is young and I’m already on my second bottle of hopeiates.
alycan1 on May 20, 2008 at 6:59 PM
CNN just called it for Clinton in KY
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 7:00 PM
A lump of votes from Louisville probably came in. I’ll be interested to see if any counties can approach the 8% Obama got in Mingo County, WV.
forest on May 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM
FOX just called it for Clinton in KY
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 7:02 PM
The country is not ready for a marxist at least not in the south. Ca Or Wa Mass maybe but NO WAY in Fla Oh WV ETC ETC
TroubledMonkey on May 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM
I’m telling you now that Mike Huckabee is the next President of the United States.
You don’t believe me now, but you will later.
Red Pill on May 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM
CNN projects Hillary to win Kentucky by 30 percentage points.
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 7:04 PM
CNN just called it for McCain in KY
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 7:05 PM
McCain Set to Attend NAACP Convention
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 7:07 PM
I guarantee an Obama win in Oregon. Although the Obammunists mostly live in Portland, there are enough of them to out do all the conservatives and less-Marxist Hitlary supporters throughout the rest of the state. Just like in WA and CA.
NTWR on May 20, 2008 at 7:08 PM
You kid….right?
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 7:08 PM
You mean the NAALCP, right?
NTWR on May 20, 2008 at 7:09 PM
Portland is a very liberal city, and all the other major cities in Oregon are college towns. Yea, he should do very well there.
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 7:09 PM
I hope he gets a better reception than Bush got when he went. McCain gets either pissy or fumbles his words when he gets uncomfortable. I’m actually hoping for the first.
Niceeeeeeeeeee.
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 7:09 PM
This is yesterday’s news, but it’s relevant:
Red Pill on May 20, 2008 at 7:12 PM
Asked whether they thought Barack Obama agreed with the views of Jeremiah Wright, 54 percent said “yes,” 44 percent said “no.”
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTk5OWRjODJhZGRlZWQ2MTgxZTA4Mjg3YjhjYzZlMDE=
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 7:13 PM
I want to know that if this doesn’t happen, what is going to happen to you? (and I guess your faith)
Spirit of 1776 on May 20, 2008 at 7:14 PM
Spirit of 1776 on May 20, 2008 at 7:14 PM
I don’t mean that snarky or mean, either. Just wonder about it everytime you bring up your prophecy.
Spirit of 1776 on May 20, 2008 at 7:15 PM
It means nothing.
old trooper on May 20, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Thank you!! You’re the first to say anything and I’ve been seeding it all over the threads for a couple days now. Spread it… spread it like grassfire across the internets!
NTWR on May 20, 2008 at 7:16 PM
Jefferson County, which includes Louisville, is 66% counted, and Obama leads 47,168 to 42,793 there. So far, there are only 36,076 votes counted in the entire rest of the state, and Hillary leads 66%-34% outside of Louisville. There are sparse returns along the eastern border, practically nothing from the western part of the state. When that comes in, Hillary’s margin should increase.
Figures from CNN website.
Steve Z on May 20, 2008 at 7:19 PM
He could pull a “Jehovah’s Witness” (remember when they made a huge stink about the apocalypse being in like 1995, and then just moved the date up)?
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 7:20 PM
M
You’ve also never been severely tortured in order to extract confessions out of you.
As for amnesty, etc., he’s been thoroughly thrashed for it here. But there’s a difference between attacking his military experiencing and attacking his political career.
amerpundit on May 20, 2008 at 7:21 PM
Just jumping in for a non-political observations; is it just me or did Martha McCallum on Fox look like Tweety Bird?
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Oregon SOS site is here:
http://www.sos.state.or.us/elections/enr_pre8pm.html
KY SOS site is here:
http://electionresults.ky.gov/KyElectWeb/kes?AC=3&RF=0&AR=0&R=A01000000&L=1999&N=U.S.+PRESIDENT&RV=1040438&DV=1629845&TP=3545&TC=120
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 7:23 PM
No, I’m serious. The Holy Spirit told me that on February 7th. I added who I thought would be the three other players and made this post:
Allahpundit banned me on February 14th immediately after I said this:
I came back as “Red Pill” when Captain Ed joined Hot Air on February 25.
By the grace of Allahpundit, I have been allowed to remain.
I’m about to hit the road, so I won’t go into more detail now. Others here are familiar with the details.
Red Pill on May 20, 2008 at 7:24 PM
And as far as historians know, neither has he. So stop spreading scurrilous and unfounded rumors.
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Hmmm, ummmm, umhmmm, uhhhh, (decides to keep mouth shut).
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 7:26 PM
that was funny
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Disgusting. I think it may be time for the all powerful ban hammer to come out and play.
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Can you answer me from 7:14? From the VP thread, you can indications that McCain was possible option at P.
Spirit of 1776 on May 20, 2008 at 7:28 PM
“There are sparse returns along the eastern border” - Steve Z
I’ll be watching out for that. Obama averaged 10% of the vote in the counties directly across the river in WV.
forest on May 20, 2008 at 7:28 PM
He did not, we were sharing a bottle of wine that day. The Holy Spirit was pretty tired and decided to take the day off. He saw your prayer on the prayer list, but said he would get to you in a couple of days.
I think it was the 9th…yeah, I just asked Him and he said it was the 9th.
And then He laughed and said “that guy will believe anything”. That Holy Spirit is a little devil sometimes.
right2bright on May 20, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Is that any connection with McKinnon stepping down? /sarc off
Somebody please make Fred Barnes stop speaking before he injures himself….
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 7:33 PM
WAAAAAYYYYY TOO MANY RED PILLS INGESTED TODAY.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 7:37 PM
I sure am sorry about it and sorry I did not realize I had done it earlier.
You must have felt like the victim of a drive by snarking!
Thanks for pointing it out to me.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Ding! Terry Mcauliffe just dropped the Puerto Rico bomb….can’t wait for Denver!
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 7:41 PM
??
bnelson44 on May 20, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Heh! I’m definitely stealing that. Thanks!
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 7:42 PM
I’m loving Brit tonight. He seems cranky.
Good show!
Spirit of 1776 on May 20, 2008 at 7:44 PM
You. Are. Insane.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 7:44 PM
Just wanted to register in the first msg by Her Thighness’ campaign that the little Obama stunt in Iowa is gonna backfire tonight cause she ain’t going anywhere. It just makes me laugh.
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 7:44 PM
dittos
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Thanks.
What is going on with Brit and do you know about Puerto Rico? I am under tornado warning so I have the tube on the local news.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Mmmm Kentucky (Fried Chicken)
Weebork on May 20, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Whatever you do, don’t wash the hope-iates down with change-ahol.
forest on May 20, 2008 at 7:48 PM
I didn’t catch the P. Rico remark, was out of the room I guess.
Brit is saying awesome stuff - like that the Strategy Room is a stupid name, and just said “tease what?!” (in very irritated voice at producer?). He’s clearly irritated about something, pretty amusing.
Spirit of 1776 on May 20, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Um, Red, as a somewhat masochistic insomniac, I can actually say I read those threads. You weren’t banned “immediately” after you said anything — you were banned after spamming threads (most of them dead ones, at that) with a dozens of bizarrely obsessive posts, and after being repeatedly warned to knock it off by AP, who displayed truly admirable constraint until you proved incorrigible.
The fact that you’ve been allowed back must mean AP has a soft spot in his heart for, uh, Red Pills, or something. (I keed, I keed.)
Nichevo on May 20, 2008 at 7:49 PM
(Envision big che-style or marx-style poster)
Barrack Obambi - Hopiate of the Masses
//I know. I know. Bad.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 7:53 PM
Tornado warning here too….Just that Puerto Rico is going to count this year. That’s HILLarious to me.
The Messiah can’t bowl a strike and the Clintons can’t beat this empty suit.
If the repubs weren’t so pathetic at the moment then the demorats nominating procedure would be even more funny.
I want it all the way to Denver. Let the Clintons totally reveal themselves and then, maybe, we will all be finished with them. Except for their acolytes and the ones The Clintons know where the bodies are, not, um speaking literally, will still be stuck with them; they deserve them.
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Hunker down, EJD. Thoughts are with you and yours.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 7:54 PM
You have to take the red pills, lots and lots of red pills to get it.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Hillary’s margin in Kentucky is going to be obnoxiously large.
Vizzini on May 20, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Thanks, we are in the basement but I think it is passing. Lots of Tornadoes way too close this year in Atlanta.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 7:56 PM
classic
Branch Rickey on May 20, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Yeah, Britt’s pissed tonight. They’re all swearing a lot more than usual.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 7:56 PM
I wonder if the MSM will call Oregon with 0% of the votes counted. If Obama’s projected to win, they probably will do just that, while salivating.
Weebork on May 20, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Tornado WARNING? That would mean a tornado has been confirmed in your area? Get to cover pronto please if it’s a warning, not a watch!
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Oh, I left that one out! That was great, I laughed when he said that.
Spirit of 1776 on May 20, 2008 at 7:59 PM
I am in my concrete bunker (basement underground on 3.5 sides).
Our warnings are issued by counties and I live in a large county. The Tornado that touched down was about 30 miles from me.
Thanks for your concern.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 7:59 PM
No, actually this is very good. Short of syllables, wide and deep with multiple meanings. This is very very good.
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 8:01 PM
52% of the vote in
Hillary 59%
Obama 37%
Aside: The next president of the United States (according to Red Pill) is tied with Ron Paul in Kentucky.
EJDolbow on May 20, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Hmmm. I’ve never tried hopeiates with red pills.
alycan1 on May 20, 2008 at 8:04 PM
You’re too kind, RB. All credit to alycan1 for that one.
Saw it vividly in my mind as soon as I read the word, great big dumbo ears and all. I might actually knock that out and put it up on photobucket…
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 8:04 PM
I just realized that Mrs Clinton would get a lot more votes if she started both giving away bacon and promising free bacon every week! I’d probably vote for her if she gave bacon away!
BACON!
BACON! BACON! BACON!!
Weebork on May 20, 2008 at 8:04 PM
You don’t see a lot of basements in Atlanta. I’m glad you have one, though.
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I’m ashamed to admit…I’m watching the Idol finale. I’ve watched too much to stop now.
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Snausages!
//I don’t know why
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Relieved you have a basement. I haven’t had the luxury since living in New Jersey back in the early 70’s!
I sure do pity those folks who did get hit, or find themselves in the path. With no TV, I have only heard a hint of what sounds like a really bad tornado season.
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Noooooooo! That stuff’ll rot your brain, malan89.
techno_barbarian on May 20, 2008 at 8:08 PM
I moved back up North (PA) from NC around 2 months ago. I’m loving having the basement back. About the only thing I’m loving about the move, though. That and I’m closer to family.
malan89 on May 20, 2008 at 8:08 PM
You a photoshopper? I put my first one up the other day, then took it down before I went home. /shy
RushBaby on May 20, 2008 at 8:08 PM
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