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Obama: Actually, Iran is a serious threat

posted at 4:09 pm on May 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I think he’s getting a bit of a bad rap on this today, but for the record, via Ace, here’s his latest pronunciamento on the subject from a town hall this morning in Montana.

“The Soviet Union had the ability to destroy the world several times over, had satellites spanning the globe, had huge masses of conventional military power, all directed at destroying us,” he said. “So, I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave. But what I’ve said is that we should not just talk to our friends. We should be willing to engage our enemies as well. That’s what diplomacy is all about.”

Obama repeatedly stressed the risk posed by Iran, as he suggested that danger has grown because of policies supported by McCain.

“Iran is a grave threat. It has an illicit nuclear program. It supports terrorism across the region and militias in Iraq. It threatens Israel’s existence. It denies the Holocaust,” he said. “The reason Iran is so much more powerful than it was a few years ago is because of the Bush-McCain policy of fighting in Iraq and refusing to pursue direct diplomacy with Iran. They’re the ones who have not dealt with Iran wisely.”

Impromptu reversal to mitigate the damage from last night’s comments or is it really true that he’s been saying “for years” that Iran poses a grave threat? Well, if last year qualifies as “years,” then yeah, it’s true. March 3, 2007:

Obama said global leaders must do whatever it takes to stop Iran from enriching uranium and acquiring nuclear weapons. He called Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad “reckless, irresponsible and inattentive” to the day-to-day needs of the Iranian people.

The Iranian “regime is a threat to all of us,” Obama said.

While Obama wouldn’t rule out force, he said the United States should engage in “aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions” to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear threat.

If there’s one thing we’ve learned about the Messiah it’s that he knows how to tailor his message, so note well that those remarks were made in a speech to AIPAC. Even so, this context suggests he didn’t mean last night that Iran wasn’t a serious threat, just less of a serious threat than the Soviet Union — a debatable point if you believe Iran’s regime has irrational/suicidal impulses but less debatable if you don’t. Rather than beat him over the head on how seriously he takes Iran, the better question would be why, if he thinks we’re so vastly stronger than they are, he’s prepared to offer them economic benefits, membership in the WTO, and possibly formal recognition rather than deal with them militarily. It’s more likely that he doesn’t think we’re vastly stronger than they are: The left’s constantly telling us that the war has broken the military and destroyed its readiness, and Obama himself makes the point in the blockquoted part that the war has expanded Iranian influence. In which case, how can he blithely assert that we’d be negotiating from a position of strength if we sat down with them? That’s true only in terms of our nuclear capability, which no president from either party is going to use (least of all him) and Iran knows it. So where’s our leverage? The sanctions haven’t worked and European negotiations have gotten largely nowhere. To go to the bargaining table now would be a show of weakness and would inevitably be taken that way. If you think there’s no other option left, that’s fine, but at least own it.


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Could he make up his mind?

Or is he just ‘tired’ from campaigning so much?

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on May 19, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Audacious.

kirkill on May 19, 2008 at 4:11 PM

I think he’s getting a bit of a bad rap on this today

That’s as far as I read. You’re in the tank for Obama!

Seriously though, don’t you know that every problem in the world, and our collective loss of face, is due to “cowboy diplomacy” and neo-imperialism?

No threat is so great that Obama cannot talk his (our) way out of it. He promises.

VolMagic on May 19, 2008 at 4:13 PM

All the more reason to ditch that “let’s just talk to them” BS that shows him to be a clueless neophyte with no historical perspective.
So is his “change” thang to forget or ignore everything we have learned about this thing we call “diplomacy”?

bbz123 on May 19, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Come on folks give him a break – He is tired from all the campaigning…

ordi on May 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Yum, Waffles.

kirkill on May 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM

I burst out laughing when I saw that headline. But this guy is not funny in the least.

baldilocks on May 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM

“The reason Iran is so much more powerful than it was a few years ago is because of the Bush-McCain policy of fighting in Iraq and refusing to pursue direct diplomacy with Iran. They’re the ones who have not dealt with Iran wisely.”

Ok, Obamberlain, what would’ve been the ‘wise’ way to deal with Iran if not liberating it’s neighbors? Would you ‘give’ them Shia-vakia? Would tell Saddam ‘Hey, just let Iran have the oil welled Shia areas of Iraq and we’ll have ‘peace in our time’?

Tony737 on May 19, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Let’s look at this from a different perspective. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt that he has just been really bad at making his point about many issues (yes, it’s a big stretch, but bear with me a second). After three or four attempts he finally gets his point across properly. If this is the case, then he has no business talking with either our friends or our enemies. Diplomacy requires someone who can make a point and leave absolutely no question as to the meaning. So if he is not disingenuous, as he would have us believe, then he is flat out worthless as a diplomat.

db on May 19, 2008 at 4:17 PM

The left’s constantly telling us that the war has broken the military and destroyed its readiness, and Obama himself makes the point in the blockquoted part that the war has expanded Iranian influence. In which case, how can he blithely assert that we’d be negotiating from a position of strength if we sat down with them? That’s true only in terms of our nuclear capability, which no president from either party is going to use (least of all him) and Iran knows it. So where’s our leverage?

Nice!

baldilocks on May 19, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Video
Obama responds to McCain

William Amos on May 19, 2008 at 4:18 PM

how can he blithely assert that we’d be negotiating from a position of strength if we sat down with them? That’s true only in terms of our nuclear capability, which no president from either party is going to use (least of all him) and Iran knows it.

It is much much worse than that. Obama plans to decimate our nuclear cabability too. In this 52 second video, Obama tells the whole story.

RushBaby on May 19, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Transcript at Obama Speaks in Billings, MT. With snark added in green.

kimsch on May 19, 2008 at 4:18 PM

We are talking to Iran — using Britain & France as the good cops while we play the bad cop. We are also talking to North Korea (six party talks anyone?) And there’s the “Quartet” with regards to Israel & the Palestinians. Gee. . . multilateral diplomacy, I guess because Bush is doing it, it becomes a bad thing now?

What Bush & McCain have said is no Neville Chamberlain style appeasement. And if those states want a Presidential one-on-one, there have to be preconditions.

rbj on May 19, 2008 at 4:19 PM

CHANGE!!!!

I’m getting it. Obama’s version of change is to change with whatever the wind blows.

Regardless: CHANGE!!!!

mjk on May 19, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Good LORD! This is as bad as a Family Guy skit…

Peter Griffin: You remember that time I was supposed to get that boat?
Peter Griffin: [cut to previous scene] A boat’s a boat, but the mystery box could be anything. It could even be a boat! You know how much we wanted one of those!
Lois Griffin: [cut back to present scene] Peter, that happened ten minutes ago.

Skywise on May 19, 2008 at 4:21 PM

It’s more likely that he doesn’t think we’re vastly stronger than they are: The left’s constantly telling us that the war has broken the military and destroyed its readiness, and Obama himself makes the point in the blockquoted part that the war has expanded Iranian influence. In which case, how can he blithely assert that we’d be negotiating from a position of strength if we sat down with them?

We’re economically and militarily stronger, and it makes sense to pressure them with both. The Iranian leaders know that they face unrest from the educated and market-oriented citizens in their own country.

dedalus on May 19, 2008 at 4:21 PM

I think Obama is crazy. He flips his positions by the hour.

indythinker on May 19, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Flip Wilson Flop

fogw on May 19, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Obama again highlights his naivete by believing that our enemies are rational, that they think like us, and we can understand their motivations.

It [Iran] threatens Israel’s existence. It denies the Holocaust…

Honestly, Mr. Obama. How do you fruitfully negotiate with a regime that is apocalyptic and fundamentally INSANE?!

SPCOlympics on May 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Can’t I just eat my Flip Flops?

EJDolbow on May 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM

The Audacity of Flip-Flopping.

amerpundit on May 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Puppet on a string.

Travis1 on May 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM

To be fair, it’s not unreasonable to expect from a guy who has CHANGE for a slogan to Change his mind all the time.

People are tired of old and boring Washington politicians who just keep the same opinions through their career. Won’t it be refreshing to have a POTUS who gets up every morning with a new idea on his mind? Less predictible, impressionist President will make our enemies unable to follow him up, thus causing them headaches and having them begging for mercy in no time! Think about it!

Aristotle on May 19, 2008 at 4:27 PM

I always liked Huarache’s more than flip flops. Any of you older people remember them?

abinitioadinfinitum on May 19, 2008 at 4:27 PM

I have it on good authority that Obama wears women’s panties.

Cicero43 on May 19, 2008 at 4:29 PM

The Dali-bama’s flip flops will come in handy when walking on nuclear fallout.

moxie_neanderthal on May 19, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Would you all please stop bringing up Obama’s previous positions, and hammering him with them? You are not helping his and Michelle’s kids with all of this nonsense, and you are ignoring the much more important message of hope.

Think_b4_speaking on May 19, 2008 at 4:29 PM

He’s not getting a bad rap. For reasons Obama does not understand, Iran is a worse threat than the Soviet Union ever was.

Carl in Jerusalem on May 19, 2008 at 4:30 PM

The far far left always thinks that they can debate with rabid dogs or trust the criminally insane to keep their promises.

Buzzy on May 19, 2008 at 4:30 PM

abinitioadinfinitum on May 19, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Yes. I still see those brown leather sandals on people’s feet.

kimsch on May 19, 2008 at 4:31 PM

By September Obama is going to state that “We as American’s need a better healthcare system” *Cough* “Our Healthcare system is great and working fine.”

If McCain doesn’t take advantage of these time stamped videos he’s a putz. Obama is sinking his chances faster then Teddy can sink a old Buick filled with preggo co-eds in a river.

McCain needs to jump on all these flip flops and show how Obama either has no idea what he’s doing or show the world he’s just pandering.

*Copied from My Post @ ActivityPit.com*

See we’re in a tough place this election. With all the debates do you think even 1 will give Obama a hard question? And we see what happened when Fox tried to have a debate, the Dems took their balls (or lack there of) and ran home.

There needs to be a 1 on 1 debate where McCain can ask Obama a question and Obama can ask McCain, or Bob Barr.

Question 1) What have you done for this country? You talk of hope and change, but those things can’t help an economy, can’t protect us, can’t provide knowledge that we are going to be safe.

Question 2) You had your big race speech but in turn you labled all white people as being afraid of African Americans and you tossed your Grandmother under the bus over the issue. How can we get passed these little scuffles and really bring this country together.

Question 3) You claim Bush’s comments on the 60th birthday of Israel were misleading and twisted your words. (Plays video of exactly what Obama said) yet in the same sense you attack me and twist my words (video of McCain speech and speeches where Obama twisted his words) What do you have to say about there being this double standard?

Question 4) Every Dem uses the “We’re stuck in a war and no republican has a real exit strategy,” What Mr. Obama is your exit plan? If we pull everyone out the last group of soldiers will be sitting ducks, There were 4,000 dead in this war but there will be 1,000 killed in that last group due to the lack of support and the willingness of the terrorist to say “See we pushed them out”

Question 5) With the ever growing Alliance of Iran, Syria, North Korea and Venezeula how will you combat the threat to our country that has been thrown around by these groups and what are your real ideas to combat the price of oil that will come with this grouping. We see how ethenol isn’t working and is crippling the normal US family, will you finally agree that the only real, quick, cheapest solution is either US drilling and refineries or going nuclear?

Question 6) All your social plans have been added up and by the looks of it anyone making over $65,000 a year will be paying in the 55% tax range to cover these plans, while you, as a citizen, have donated less out of pocket then all those who ran this cycle. How can you expect the people of the United States to give away their hard earned cash when you yourself don’t and when you continue to support bills that are filled with pork. Mr. Obama you are creating the illegal redistribution of wealth to support the lives of those who won’t support themselves, is this really the American way?

Rbastid on May 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM

This is entering the realm of clownshoe-ishness.

Bishop on May 19, 2008 at 4:34 PM

He’ll show em they can’t mess with America right after he negotiates for a few million souls to be thrown under the bus.

This man will never give a ‘go’ order for any reason. I truly believe that. If we are hit under his admistration the entire focus of his State department will be to ‘find the root cause’.

Limerick on May 19, 2008 at 4:34 PM

kimsch on May 19, 2008 at 4:31 PM

NO Way?
With the tire tread on the bottom. heh heh

abinitioadinfinitum on May 19, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Come on now, let’s stop all this. No criticism of Obama’s foreign policy ever fed a poor hungry obese child. :)

RBMN on May 19, 2008 at 4:35 PM

And to be honest, lets stop worrying about Iran when we should be focused on the rising price of upscale Chicago piano lessons and fresh-picked arugula.

Bishop on May 19, 2008 at 4:35 PM

his admistration
Limerick on May 19, 2008 at 4:34 PM

That’s scary to even think about

abinitioadinfinitum on May 19, 2008 at 4:36 PM

As a child of the 60’s and growing up with the threat of an attack by the Soviet Union, I can say that I never heard any of the leaders of the Soviet Union declare to wipe any country off the map as Iran has.

moonsbreath on May 19, 2008 at 4:36 PM

He’s really exhausted reading words other people have written for him…hard work.

benrand on May 19, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Why can’t we just let the man have his waffle?

spmat on May 19, 2008 at 4:38 PM

“The reason Iran is so much more powerful than it was a few years ago is because of the Bush-McCain policy of fighting working(to gain hearts and minds) in Iraq and refusing to pursue direct diplomacy massive bombing raids with Iran.”

better!

funky chicken on May 19, 2008 at 4:39 PM

As a child of the 60’s and growing up with the threat of an attack by the Soviet Union, I can say that I never heard any of the leaders of the Soviet Union declare to wipe any country off the map as Iran has.does, over and over

moonsbreath on May 19, 2008 at 4:36 PM

abinitioadinfinitum on May 19, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Shut up now…I’m trying to gracefully swoon.

Bishop on May 19, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Will Barack Obama EVEN know how to campaign in the general election?

Clinton and the Mrs. are master triangulators but I think Obama maybe so blinded by the left he can’t even see what he thinks is approaching the “center” is still damn far left.

Instead of fireside chats Obama is going to have daily retractions during the campaign.

EJDolbow on May 19, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Ease up folks. Ramping up as the “International Community Organizer” is not an easy task.

mred on May 19, 2008 at 4:42 PM

I’m looking forward to the YouTube videos that will juxtapose all his flip-flops. At this rate, he’s going to out-Kerry Kerry.

But does he wind surf?

petefrt on May 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM

EJDolbow on May 19, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Maybe he will listen to Arnold and move left, closer to the middle.

abinitioadinfinitum on May 19, 2008 at 4:44 PM

The Audacity of Bull_ _ _ _.

Mike Honcho on May 19, 2008 at 4:44 PM

abinitioadinfinitum on May 19, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Yes way. I’m from Obamaland and I’ve seen those Huaraches and you can still buy them, leather, tires and all… huaraches.com

kimsch on May 19, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Even Jimmy Carter’s starting to feel embarrassed for the guy.

Cicero43 on May 19, 2008 at 4:46 PM

But what I’ve said is that we should not just talk to our friends. We should be willing to engage our enemies as well. That’s what diplomacy is all about.”

DAMNIT!!!! HE`S ALL SUNSHINE-HAPPYFACE BUMPER STICKER SLOGAN! I CAN`T BELIEVE HE`S GOING TO BE OUR PRESIDENT!

ThePrez on May 19, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Someone really needs to start a rumor that Obama will appoint Carter to head up the diplomatic team.

rw on May 19, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Can somebody please diagram for me what it is that is currently being done w/r/t Iran vs. what Obama thinks should be done?

If I read him right, the only difference is that he promises that he would meet directly at the presidential level, but only with careful planning.
The other difference is that he would not have gone to Iraq.

MayBee on May 19, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Obama is a two-face, liar, and un-American.

madmonkphotog on May 19, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Can somebody please diagram for me what it is that is currently being done w/r/t Iran vs. what Obama thinks should be done?

If I read him right, the only difference is that he promises that he would meet directly at the presidential level, but only with careful planning.
The other difference is that he would not have gone to Iraq.

The big difference is that Obama intends to withdraw the bulk of our military presence in the ME, reduce our nuclear strike capability, and scale back military spending both on the ground and in space.

Essentially he’ll get rid of the only thing that will bring Iran to the negotiating table, our ability to project power in the region.

SPCOlympics on May 19, 2008 at 5:05 PM

Iran is a grave threat. It has an illicit nuclear program.

Remember this line when the dhimicrats are whining that Pres. McCain lied about Iran having nukes.

davidk on May 19, 2008 at 5:05 PM

Here’s why Iran is a bigger threat than the USSR: The Soviets would have been OK with wiping us out, if they themselves survived it. The Iranians are crazy enough to not mind dying in the act of taking us out. Also, the Russians did not use terrorism as a tactic so we had no worries about spies slipping into NYC and setting off a suitcase nuke. Iran, that’s their whole strategy!

Kafir on May 19, 2008 at 5:10 PM

AP starts by saying that he thinks O! got a bad rap, but it’s not remotely a bad rap, given the ordinary workings of politics.

The candidate of Change changes what he says, depending on the audience in front of him. On this issue, he has sometimes sounded like Bush (as Ed noted recently) and sometimes like Carter.

He also likely believes he would be dealing from a position of weakness when sitting down with Iran, making said sitdown a manifestly bad idea.

When a candidate says something dumb, he’s going to get zinged. When he claims he really didn’t mean it because he has taken a different position before, he’ll get zinged for the flip-flop or asked to reconcile the two. Instead, O! lies about the position he has posted on his own campaign website.

Bad rap? To quote AP’s boss, “Boo.Frickin’.Hoo.”

Karl on May 19, 2008 at 5:15 PM

To go to the bargaining table now would be a show of weakness and would inevitably be taken that way.

To Leftist Ivy Leaguers like Obama, this is precisely the point. And the goal.

Gilda on May 19, 2008 at 5:17 PM

The conherency in the message seems to go bad after campaigning in the 51st state. Sort of like a starting pitcher going over 100 pitches. The hits just keep on coming.

jerseyman on May 19, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Maybe he will listen to Arnold and move left, closer to the middle.

abinitioadinfinitum on May 19, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I suspect you are delusional so I will not respond.

EJDolbow on May 19, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Obama has staffers read Hot Air to keep a pulse on blog criticism of him. When necessary, he responds, to put his spin on things before the MSM runs with what started in the blogosphere.

Red Pill on May 19, 2008 at 5:56 PM

As a child of the 60’s and growing up with the threat of an attack by the Soviet Union, I can say that I never heard any of the leaders of the Soviet Union declare to wipe any country off the map as Iran has.does, over and over

moonsbreath on May 19, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Nikita Khrushchev did say “We will bury you!”

Rick on May 19, 2008 at 6:16 PM

We are so seriously gonna get our asses kicked if this idiot occupies the White House come the new year.

MCPO Airdale on May 19, 2008 at 6:16 PM

What Obama fails to realize is that it’s not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

The Soviet Union’s approach to dealing with the US was based on a mistaken fear that the US wanted to wipe them out. They never seriously attempted any preemptive action against the US – the Cuban Missile Crisis was in reaction to missiles placed in their back yard (Turkey) by the US. Yes, I know it was under NATO, but the US were the big dog.

The point is, Russians did not want to die trying to take the West out – Iran is a different ball-game altogether.

OldEnglish on May 19, 2008 at 9:25 PM

The only Change I am Hoping for is the American people waking up and realizing this guy sucks even more than Maverick.

David in ATL on May 19, 2008 at 9:28 PM

“Why can’t I just eat my waffle?” he said, when asked a foreign policy question by a reporter

dont taze me bro on May 19, 2008 at 9:29 PM

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