Hot Air poll: Who would you rather have on the ticket, Huckabee — or Lieberman? Update: Poll fixed
posted at 12:59 pm on May 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Inspired by this morning’s New York Sun editorial, arguing that the surest way to put Maverick over the top in battleground states is to add a Democratic apostate to the ticket. Yes, he’s excellent on the war and always delivers a tender cut of red meat when opining on his own party, but do we really want a guy who voted no on Alito one 72-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency? If we’re willing to tolerate a pro-choice VP, toss Ridge on there and pick up Pennsylvania.
Even so, I’m intrigued by this as a test of right-wing blog readers — not their admiration of Liebs, necessarily, but of their abiding antipathy to Huck. How’s about it, HA commenters? Imagine Maverick’s shortlist is down to two; either one’s going to piss off a lot of people. Let’s see, in our own highly unscientific way, who’ll piss off more.
Update: Whoops, last poll was broken. Sorry for the hassle. Please re-vote!
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I stopped calling myself a Republican a long time ago. I’m a proud conservative RINO. I vote Republican because they’re (usually) better than the Dems. But I don’t vote for them just because they put an “R” after their names.
aero on May 19, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Didn’t like Huck when he ran – still don’t like him. Lieberman the only choice.
msflea on May 19, 2008 at 1:55 PM
I’d vote for McCain/Lieberman, albeit reluctantly. I won’t vote for McCain/Huckabee. If Liebs were willing to adapt his position on taxes I’d be a little more enthusiastic about that ticket.
phronesis on May 19, 2008 at 1:55 PM
I would like to make a distinction here. Mike is not a RINO. He is a true conservative — a man of honor, pro-life, pro-gun rights, less taxes, securing the borders, fighting terrorism, etcetera. Secondly, there is a BIG difference between how the Republican media, pundits, bloggers, reporters, and radio hosts view Mike Huckabee, compared to how the average American citizen who identifies themselves as conservative views Mike Huckabee. Many of the latter are more than sick and tired of listening to all the so called “conservative” media bash Governor Mike Huckabee over and over and over and over with false and distorted charges. Really, the only point this poll will make is how far left some posting at HA have become. It should be interesting to see the results.
apacalyps on May 19, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Heh. Huck supporters are tenacious in their attempts to rewrite their man’s history. Got to give them that.
Slublog on May 19, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Which is the only reason I’d support McCain anyway.
Plus, Huck just has no business being in politics.
Esthier on May 19, 2008 at 1:57 PM
True. His average 12% support outside of the evangelical community spoke volumes.
Slublog on May 19, 2008 at 1:58 PM
The devil’s in the details. What’s the job? If they don’t really want to get involved in that question, why choose someone because it pleases them? If that’s the goal, you can just choose another celebrity, like Clint Eastwood or the tough guy who hangs around Huckabee.
First Jewish VP. That’s a big yearning of the Am. people.
JiangxiDad on May 19, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Lieberman (He is the perfect counter weight to having Billery as the dem’s VICE p choice).
CloneTrooper on May 19, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Who does that around here? Seriously?
DrSteve on May 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Get real. Lieberman would NEVER be the VP nominee, unless Mccain wants to be the next Mondale.
We all know that Mike Huckabee is the only VP candidate that Mccain can pick.
Even Mccain knows that he has no choice in the matter.
Without Huck, Mccain will lose us evangelical voters(about 1/3rd of the country).
SaintOlaf on May 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Not to be pedantic, but it should be “squirrel-chewing wingnut.”
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on May 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM
McCain/Lieberman 2008
Democratic-lite
McCain/Huckabee 2008
hahahahahahaha…
LevStrauss on May 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Denial.
Anything that puts me at odds with you carries an added benefit.
Esthier on May 19, 2008 at 2:01 PM
The RINO! 18% (72 votes)
The DINO! 82% (321 votes)
O.M.G.
Brilliant contrast, AllahPundit. You absolutely nail this. Lieberman is a solidly liberal legislator, and the Huckster is a largely conservative one. But in my mind, Lieberman’s unchallenged integrity and decency are infinitely more attractive than anything that fat jerk Huckabee could ever offer, including his inbred voter base.
(ducks)
Jaibones on May 19, 2008 at 2:01 PM
This poll is like asking if you prefer hanging or lethal injection for your execution. You are going to die either way.
ThackerAgency on May 19, 2008 at 2:01 PM
wow, 56 vs. 266 at the moment, pro-Lieberman.
Hm. Isn’t it odd how the memory selectively forgets reasons to decline a name: Lieberman pro partial birth abortion, sad choice that didn’t help him anyway. If this were the only choice we’d have, I’d write-in another VP. Now Fred refuses to return to the fray, leaving Mitt the only logical name. With all of the covert operations involved in running a POTUS campaign, Romney’s name could be kept under wraps until the statue is unveiled. Or not.
maverick muse on May 19, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Lieberman, and I think it may happen.
If character matters, then Lieberman and not Huck by a long shot.
Besides, Huck has spent his life working for a Jew, giving his money to a Jew, serving a Jew, and praying to a Jew…why not?
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If nothing else the gnashing of the Dems teeth, the explosion over at Kos (after there pitiful failed attempt at ousting Lieb.), would be worth the it.
There isn’t enough popcorn in the U.S. to keep us fed during the entertainment of this circus.
And just imagine Obama trying to convince people he knows more about foreign affairs then the Liebmaster, the VP.
Two of the most experienced Senators on the ticket against Obama and who? Col. Mustard with a lead pipe, or Miss Scarlet with the knife?
right2bright on May 19, 2008 at 2:01 PM
If we’re going to vote on this, then we might as well vote on repealing the 12th amendment. Can you imagine a McCain/Obama or Obama/McCain Whitehouse?
JeffC_95 on May 19, 2008 at 2:02 PM
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All fixed
Think_b4_speaking on May 19, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Where are they going to go?
LevStrauss on May 19, 2008 at 2:02 PM
I do not think this word means what you think it means.
Jaibones on May 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM
No, he won’t. Contrary to media assumptions, evangelicals can think for themselves. Don’t lump all of us in with the bitter-enders.
Slublog on May 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Without Huck, Mccain will lose us evangelical voters(about 1/3rd of the country).SaintOlaf on May 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM
And you guys helped him out soooo much in the primary.
Esthier on May 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Jaibones on May 19, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Quick draw, McDraw, you!
maverick muse on May 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM
I tend to agree that Romney is the best strategic choice but I also suspect that McCain’s people are as vindictive as he is and Huckabee has a better chance. It really is unfortunate because explaining to McCain supporters why Huckabee isn’t really an evangelical is like trying to discuss Louisiana cusine with somebody who can’t differentiate between Creole and Cajun cooking.
highhopes on May 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM
For the next poll, would you vote for Hillary or Huckabee?
ThackerAgency on May 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM
May be more then a little off on this one. Just because someone goes to church, then proclaims they are conservative, doesn’t make him one.
right2bright on May 19, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Phonies is right… I can smell this anti-Evangelical hate a mile away. They hate Christians so much they’d rather put in a person who supports abortion which kills a baby and wounds the mother for life.
apacalyps on May 19, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Condi is not out of the question, imo. Don’t really like the idea, but there it is.
JiangxiDad on May 19, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Then so be it. You so-called “evangelicals” (who apparently are too good for the rest of us regular Christians) have been trying to tear the party in half for a long time. So. Be. It.
If McCain loses evangelicals for choosing anyone other than Huck, consider the fact that he loses the rest of us if he DOES choose Huck. We may not be 1/3 of the country like you all-powerful evangelicals, but we’re enough to lose it for them if we stay home. Like others, I will vote for McCain, but I will not vote for McCain/Huckabee.
aero on May 19, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Didn’t mean to strike that.
Esthier on May 19, 2008 at 2:07 PM
So disliking Huckabee = hating Christians?
Good grief.
Slublog on May 19, 2008 at 2:07 PM
That says it all.
One of the reasons people like Captain Ed so much is because he is fair and balanced.
Anyone who actually listened to Huckabee’s speech at the NRA (and not just the 12 second gaffe) would realize that Huckabee is the exact OPPOSITE of a “Nanny State” “RINO”.
Red Pill on May 19, 2008 at 2:07 PM
I wouldn’t care too much for Lieberman on the ticket, but the Huckster as Veep would cause me to stay home or vote third party.
JohnAGJ on May 19, 2008 at 2:08 PM
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Calling names is the last stance of a losing argument. I am evangelical, and I am dedicated to donating to any candidate running against Huckabigot in ANY race he runs.
Think_b4_speaking on May 19, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Well, you’re certainly qualified to talk about hate.
If this poll is any indication, we’re far in the majority.
Esthier on May 19, 2008 at 2:09 PM
That isn’t even true. I’m an “evangelical voter” and Huckabee is not an evangelical just because he says he is anymore than McCain is a conservative just because he starts every sentence by calling himself conservative. Huckabee is just a big old liar and hypocrite whose faith is placed in the nanny state and liberalism, not the Bible. I’d vote for Romney long before I put in an “evangelical” phoney like Huckabee.
highhopes on May 19, 2008 at 2:09 PM
No, the evangelical vote will be secure with the Republicans. The evangelicals know integrity and honors it. It is the nut cases that are on the extreme religious right, the weirdos is the technical name, that won’t vote for anything but what they define is sacred (about 1/3 of one percent of the country). At least you are in an elite group.
right2bright on May 19, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Saint Olaf, Apacalyps:
Could the evangelicals you know support a conservative non-Christian?
JiangxiDad on May 19, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Most of us ARE Christians, you sanctimonious fool. Our antipathy is for Huckabee and how he uses religion for political games.
aero on May 19, 2008 at 2:09 PM
The first step to recovery is to admit acknowledgement.
apacalyps on May 19, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Hear Hear, I agree.
If they put Romney and Huck in a poll, Huck would lose by the same amount he is now.
right2bright on May 19, 2008 at 2:10 PM
He raised taxes, pardoned more criminals than 3 governors combined, previously referred to amnesty legislation as partially opposed due to “racism”, announced the cancellation of negative ads before running them before a room full of reporters, and:
amerpundit on May 19, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Even though I had to spend about 1 second thinking about it, no contest. Huckabee.
Skywise on May 19, 2008 at 2:11 PM
I would. The terrible truth, for me, is that I will vote for McCain over Obama, no matter what he does. And I think he knows that.
JiangxiDad on May 19, 2008 at 2:12 PM
I see. Your candidate of choice is rejected so you, personally, are a victim of hate.
That would make sense if you went to Obama’s church. I suspect that your pastor would be appalled to see you bundling yourself up so snugly in the victimhood mantle.
RushBaby on May 19, 2008 at 2:13 PM
Tis embarrassing, but, uh… my afraid you’ve been brainwashed.
apacalyps on May 19, 2008 at 2:13 PM
apacalyps on May 19, 2008 at 2:05 PM
But McCain is anti-abortion, so unless my understanding is off chronologically, Lieberman’s former position WHILE A DEMOCRAT (not recently as an Independent) gets the boot. From Lieberman’s former rationale, anyway, he wasn’t advocating abortion for abortion’s sake, but that’s splitting hairs that I’d rather not do. Point is, McCain runs the show, not Lieberman should he be McCain’s VP.
Just bear in mind, this is ALL POPPYCOCK. Lieberman ain’t gonna get the invite while Romney’s available. And say your prayers that Huck gets an invite to a different supporting role–Congressional Pastor, Ambassador to where ever. He has the ability to greatly help in certain regards, just as Huck has the inclination to hurt in many regards. Huckabee is not the desired VP pick of America.
maverick muse on May 19, 2008 at 2:13 PM
Like Bryan Preston? Like the many Evangelicals who didn’t vote for Huckabee, including several here? Most of us are Christian, genius.
amerpundit on May 19, 2008 at 2:13 PM
Give me Lieberman. Any day of the week. Huckabee is a snake oil salesman of the highest order.
discerningtexan on May 19, 2008 at 2:14 PM
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I have thought about it, but I really don’t think I could vote for McCain if he did that. Seriously.
Think_b4_speaking on May 19, 2008 at 2:14 PM
The Vatican:)
JiangxiDad on May 19, 2008 at 2:15 PM
I would hope Huck would lose by more. I’m sure some people are reluctantly voting for the R rather than the D.
Esthier on May 19, 2008 at 2:15 PM
Stupid poll. Unless McCain becomes an I like Leiberman, it can’t happen. If McCain had for some reason decided to run as an I or 3rd party candidate, there was a chance.
funky chicken on May 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM
This being wartime, I’ll vote for the strongest war-winning ticket. Lieberman is committed enough on the war that his own party threw him under the bus for it. All other issues being trivial in comparison, that means he’s good enough for me, at leady this year.
I also suspect that, as a purely political matter, the appeal of a McCain/Lieberman ticket to moderate voters would render it utterly unbeatable.
Blacklake on May 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Actually yes. It would be.
No one with a functioning brain can deny that a significant motivator for those fainting over Obama is white guilt. It’s unfortunate that this race has become so driven by gender and race – but that’s the reality.
Put a Jew (or a Black, or a woman) on the other side of the aisle, and some of those middle class moderates and independents will start setting aside the guilt-driven blinders and pay attention to the issues. And on the issues alone, Obama does not stand a chance.
And one of those issues is partisanship. A Republican who picks a quasi-Democrat as a running mate isn’t easy to call divisive.
The blog-obsessed won’t get it. But frankly – they don’t much matter. It’s the overwhelming majority who aren’t at the ends of the spectrum, and who don’t obsess over blog comments, who matter.
And they’d love McCain/Lieberman.
It helps to get away from the blogosphere and cable news and think like a human being once in a while.
Professor Blather on May 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Understand that too.
JiangxiDad on May 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Not according to apacalyps who seems to be God when it comes to judging who is and who is not a Christian.
Esthier on May 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM
You could be right. shudder
Condi is a strange creature of mind.
maverick muse on May 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM
I already voted for Lieberman once to keep out Lamont so that is a no-brainer. Huck belongs in the circus. How would Lieberman be replaced in the Senate?
ctmom on May 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Lieberman could declare himself an “R.”
Blacklake on May 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM
That’s the response you’re going with? Seriously?
Still, were I in your shoes, trying to explain away Huckabee’s governing history would lead me down the merry road of ad hominem as well.
It’s all you’ve got.
Slublog on May 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM
I think you are making the same mistake far too many McCainiacs do- lumping anybody who is open about their faith into the same “Jesus freak” catagory.
Evangelical simply means to be in agreement with the Christian gospel emphasizing personal conversion, the authority of Scripture, and the importance of preaching (as contrasted with ritual) Huckabee may call himself an evangelical and may pander to a certain group but, frankly, I resent you lumping my type of evangelism into the same category as Huckabee and his crowd.
highhopes on May 19, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Since I’m not voting for McCain guess it doesn’t matter.
Buzzy on May 19, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Interesting for a man who worships a God that was Jewish, and knows that the Jews are the chosen race…or do you not believe in the word of God.
Tell me, did Jesus only choose the faithful, the righteous, to serve?
Let me see, Jesus chose a tax collector (in those days the worst of the worst), a whore, and a fisherman (you know how they can lie)…how many religious leaders did he choose as disciples?
A person who takes money, lies and is a whore…sounds like a democrat to me.
right2bright on May 19, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Where is my NONE OF THE ABOVE button?
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on May 19, 2008 at 2:20 PM
I just conducted another quick poll based on all the voting results here. It’s really interesting look:
Huckabee — or Lieberman Poll.
THOSE VOTED WHO ARE CONSERVATIVE! 18% (321 votes)
THOSE VOTED WHO ARE LIBERAL! 82% (72 votes)
apacalyps on May 19, 2008 at 2:20 PM
I don’t know if a Jewish man will be able to change the race. Hillary wasn’t able to keep it from being about race, and she’s a woman.
Check the poll. The people here are arguably “blog-obsessed” and yet we’re voting for the DINO. I don’t know why you felt the need to say something negative about blog people.
Esthier on May 19, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Red Pill on May 19, 2008 at 2:20 PM
I do get the idea of the Repub. countering with their own identity politics. The perfect VP at this time is a dark-skinned Hispanic woman I guess. Just have a hard time thinking that a Jewish person could be elected to Pres. or VP, or desirable in the way some people think electing a black person would be helpful for race relations.
However, terrific that you are open to it, and hope your new endeavor is working out great.
JiangxiDad on May 19, 2008 at 2:21 PM
It will be hard enough voting for McCain as it is, but if he picks the likes of Suckabee for VP. I will not vote. The VP nominee is crucial to defining the McCain ticket as leaning right, if Mavrick blows this…All Hail the Messiah!
dmann on May 19, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Your math is off.
Esthier on May 19, 2008 at 2:21 PM
“If this poll is any indication, we’re far in the majority.”
Esthier
LOL! What this poll shows is that there are a lot of posers who comment at this site.
Most of them, like Allah, haters of God.
Al-Ozarka on May 19, 2008 at 2:21 PM
If the Huckster is on the ticket he’ll deserve to lose. You forget that 1/3 is not equal to the whole, which has been the biggest problem the Religious Right has had in recent years.
JohnAGJ on May 19, 2008 at 2:22 PM
I voted for the DINO.
Frankly, without exaggeration, I would vote for a farm animal for VP before I voted for that luciferian Huckabee guy.
Roger Waters on May 19, 2008 at 2:22 PM
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Hopefully, the gist of this poll is that either one of these two is unacceptable. The fact that a former democrat who is only slightly removed from the far left (and really only on the war) is preferable to Huckabee is the significant takeaway here.
Think_b4_speaking on May 19, 2008 at 2:23 PM
That Bob Barr ticket is looking better and better each day!
IntheNet on May 19, 2008 at 2:23 PM
JiangxiDad on May 19, 2008 at 2:15 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…
Bush shoulda, coulda, woulda sent him there on a mission.
But they politely declined, no room at the inn.
maverick muse on May 19, 2008 at 2:23 PM
Wow. I think you’ve taken your support for Huckabee a bit too far.
Slublog on May 19, 2008 at 2:23 PM
You should be resenting apacalyps then. He’s the one making evangelicals look like nuts.
Esthier on May 19, 2008 at 2:23 PM
[passing back quizzes] C, D, F, F, F. Three weeks we’ve been talking about the conservatism. What are you people, on dope?
apacalyps on May 19, 2008 at 2:24 PM
Al-Ozarka on May 19, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Then you best be praying for our souls, stop wasting time by posting comments and get busy!!!
dmann on May 19, 2008 at 2:24 PM
No more of this “fact nonsense”, we will have none of those truths proclaimed…it isn’t fair to Huck.
right2bright on May 19, 2008 at 2:25 PM
I find Huckabee’s voting record and history of irresponsible pardons abhorrent. How one squares the circle by calling that record in any way conservative baffles me.
But beyond that, the man has politicized and thereby cheapened one of the most personal and beautiful things: faith.
Mike Huckabee is a “WWJD bracelet” made by a sweatshop in China.
TheUnrepentantGeek on May 19, 2008 at 2:25 PM
I think I may have had this run-in with you before, highhopes (or somebody else here at HA). I’m not lumping you in with them. I was making a sarcastic point about how they claim to speak for all evangelicals by addressing them as if they really do speak for 1/3 of the country (which they quite clearly do not). Being a non-evangelical Christian myself, my hackles get raised easily at sanctimoniousness from those who like to claim that they speak for all evangelicals or (even more arrogantly) for all Christians, like our friends here seem to be doing. I understand that you and most others here do NOT fall into the unthinking zealot freak category, and no insult was intended to you. You know you’re not in that category, so please do not feel offended by my comments. I am squarely targeting the sanctimonious fools in our midst.
aero on May 19, 2008 at 2:25 PM
I don’t know why you and your two friends haven’t been banned yet.
You throw mud on God’s name and hold yourself up as someone to be followed. You make me physically ill.
Esthier on May 19, 2008 at 2:25 PM
McCain probably wouldn’t get a majority of the Jewish vote even with Lieberman–either way it is only 3% of the vote and concentrated in a few states. If Obama doesn’t put Hillary on the ticket McCain might be able to pick up more votes nationally by choosing a female running mate.
dedalus on May 19, 2008 at 2:25 PM
Fixed. This is as charitable as it’s possible to be without dishonesty.
vonspringer on May 19, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Good points.
But the “age” factor that played against Thompson and plays against McCain doesn’t get that booster shot with Lieberman. Not that I care. Wisdom before beauty.
maverick muse on May 19, 2008 at 2:26 PM
I can’t choose!! Please don’t make me!!!
Ann on May 19, 2008 at 2:26 PM
An up-side to having Lieberman as VP: the spiking seethe-o-meters of Jew-haters everywhere. Huckabee as VP has no up-side.
baldilocks on May 19, 2008 at 2:26 PM
That’s rather poetic.
Esthier on May 19, 2008 at 2:26 PM
An Evangelical huh? Hmm. I’d like to ask you a few questions about being a Christian. Do you mind?
apacalyps on May 19, 2008 at 2:27 PM
Hey Allah,
Please do a Romney vs Huckabee poll:
Vote for:
The Mormon
or
The Moron
Roger Waters on May 19, 2008 at 2:27 PM
FRED!!!
shick on May 19, 2008 at 2:27 PM
I vote neither…If either one finds himself alongside of Mav I will stay home. Let Obama win the election and stock up on Ammunition for the civil war that will be sure to follow.
Either it will be a conservative or the ticket is a nonstarter.
PierreLegrand on May 19, 2008 at 2:27 PM
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+1
Think_b4_speaking on May 19, 2008 at 2:27 PM
Wow what a choice. Six of one half dozen of the other. Time to flip a coin.
allrsn on May 19, 2008 at 2:27 PM
I think the only reason Lieberman is ahead is that at least with him you know what you’re getting. With Huckabee, on most issues, from day to day you have no clue.
RBMN on May 19, 2008 at 2:27 PM
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