Video shows Jamie Rubin lied Update: Lou Dobbs nails Rubin
posted at 7:40 pm on May 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Earlier today, I wrote about Jamie Rubin’s intellectually dishonest op-ed in today’s Washington Post, which focused on a snippet from his January 2006 interview with John McCain. In it, Rubin claimed that McCain supported engagement with Hamas without preconditions. However, as the full exchange with Rubin shows in this video provided by the McCain campaign, Rubin intentionally misrepresented McCain:
Here’s what Rubin initially included:
Jamie Rubin: “Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have been in the past, in working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is in now charge?”
Sen. John McCain: “They’re the government and sooner or later we‘re going to have to deal with them in one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas is because of their dedication to violence and the things they not only espouse but practice, so, but it’s a new reality in the Middle East. And I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and a decent future then they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that.”
And here’s what Rubin left out:
Rubin: “So should the United States be dealing with that new reality through normal diplomatic contacts to get the job done for the United States?”
Sen. McCain: “I think the United States should take a step back, see what they do when they form their government, see what their policies are, and see the ways that we can engage with them, and if there aren’t any, there may be a hiatus. But I think part of the relationship is going to be dictated by how Hamas acts, not how the United States acts.”
This answer is consistent with everything else McCain said at the time about the election of Hamas to governing status in the Palestinian territories. He told Rubin, CNN, and said in a press release that the election gave Hamas an opportunity to reject violence, renounce the destruction of Israel as a goal, and act like a legitimate political party rather than a terrorist organization. If they did that, then the US would find ways to engage with them. If not, McCain said a hiatus would occur in diplomatic contacts with the PA — which is exactly what happened.
This shows considerable dishonesty on the part of Rubin. The Washington Post should issue a retraction of this column forthwith.
Update: Lou Dobbs — not exactly a McCain booster — slams Rubin tonight (emphases mine):
CNN’S DANA BASH: “You remember these interviews were done shortly after Hamas won the Palestinian elections. Lou, the McCain campaign just in the past couple of hours, found a link to more of Jamie Rubin’s interview from back then. In it, I’ll read you a quote from the rest of or at least more of the interview, In that quote Sen. McCain says, ‘I think part of the relationship will be dictated by how Hamas acts, not how the United States acts.’ Now the McCain campaign, as you can image, says that this is proof that Senator McCain has been consistent all along, and I should tell you that CNN asked Jamie Rubin earlier today for the rest of the interview or at least for a transcript and he said he didn’t have it. He said he only had this particular quote he said that was e-mailed to him.”
CNN’S LOU DOBBS: “Well that seems, certainly to, as you report, to substantiate precisely what Senator McCain is saying.”
BASH: “That’s what the McCain campaign is insisting and that’s why they were, as you can imagine, very eager to send out this e-mail. And I can tell you at the top of the e-mail the subject header said ‘Jamie Rubin Lied.’ Inside the McCain campaign, they are accusing Jamie Rubin of lying tonight. We’re going wait to hear back from Jamie Rubin about that charge. As you can imagine, that’s quite a charge to say somebody lied.”
DOBBS: “It is quite a charge. It is also quite something for someone from another campaign to conflate both the role of journalism and of course political activism. Let me ask you this. If we may, I’d like to provide the viewers of this broadcast a link, as you referred to it, that would give them the entire context of that interview. So if we may, I’d like to put that up on LouDobbs.com for our viewers’ benefits if they’d like to use it.”
BASH: “I’ll get it to you.”
DOBBS: “Great reporting and thank you very much.”
When will the Washington Post issue its retraction?
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This has been a good day for McCain … Huckabee won’t be the VP choice, and the wheels are coming off the Obama bus.
funky chicken on May 16, 2008 at 7:43 PM
The media is now targeting McCain and notice it is mostly with petty nonsense.
RobCon on May 16, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Yeah, like that’ll happen.
Don’t they have layers of fact-checkers to prevent mistakes like this?
aunursa on May 16, 2008 at 7:44 PM
Has McCain or his campaign responded? It’s tiresome to regular people like me when the guys on my side don’t fight back.
JiangxiDad on May 16, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Every false charge they bring against McCain makes him stronger as the truth seeps out through the Internet and talk radio.
indythinker on May 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM
It’s out there and it’s staying out there. It’s like pee in a swimming pool.
Obama will reference it as will his followers.
29Victor on May 16, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Rubin is a hack.
Topsecretk9 on May 16, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Ed, this is brilliant work on your part.
funky chicken on May 16, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Yep. Bill Clinton and the media got away with crap like this because there was very little Internet, Rush was the only talker and CNN was the big news monster.
My, how times have changed.
29Victor on May 16, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Why is Soupy Sales interviewing Sen McCain
Wade on May 16, 2008 at 7:49 PM
It’s because Obama is a fatally flawed candidate.
Chakra Hammer on May 16, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Amen to that!
Guess I’m about to find out how long I can hold my breath.
Limerick on May 16, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Cut and paste this post folks. We are going to need to slam the lefties over the head with it all the way through November.
Limerick on May 16, 2008 at 8:00 PM
I just saw the same video on Kos — with the Rubin edit, not the follow-through.
laelaps on May 16, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Don’t hold your breathe.
Topsecretk9 on May 16, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Compare/contrast these candidates in 25 words or less.
funky chicken on May 16, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Topsecretk9 on May 16, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Which is why he has a job in the MSM in general and WaPo specifically. It’s never been about honesty in reporting, rather about whom you choose to be dishonest. You have to lie about the right people.
Weight of Glory on May 16, 2008 at 8:06 PM
And on the part of Obama. He’s already run with this lie in speech in SD today. Lying SOB.
fourstringfuror on May 16, 2008 at 8:07 PM
And that is exactly what it is, a lie, not bias, not carelessness, a lie. They need to be called on it every time.
easy on May 16, 2008 at 8:07 PM
I just saw a Obama supporter reference this lie on O’Reilly. So it begins.
I believe I also heard her say that “Bill Clinton ruled over a prosperous world.” or something quite close to that. Not kidding.
29Victor on May 16, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Sure, I mean, when a terrorist organization is elected to office based upon their long history of terrorism against the hated enemy Israel, we know they’re going to be calm and suddenly so peaceful and peace loving towards their enemy.
You can have McCain, I don’t want him. We should never have talked to Arafat except to ask him to stand straight and tall in the middle of the target.
Snake307 on May 16, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Obama and the media have attempted to respond to each charge by pointing to McCain to say “he says or does it too!”
The Obama campaign is having to be on the defensive about so much, so early in the general campaign.
This can’t be a good sign for his campaign.
caveat: I thought the same thing about Gov. Clinton.
moxie_neanderthal on May 16, 2008 at 8:16 PM
In the introduction above it says this video was provided by the McCain campaign.
This video is their response.
EJDolbow on May 16, 2008 at 8:19 PM
But does anyone on the left even care?
WisCon on May 16, 2008 at 8:23 PM
In 1998 Rubin, who at the time was spokesman for the US State Department, married Christiane Amanpour, chief international correspondent for CNN. A son, Darius John Rubin, was born in the year 2000, at the family’s home in London, England. His sister, Elizabeth Rubin is a journalist and staff writer for The New York Times Magazine.
And:
Rubin has been a member of Hillary Clinton’s campaign team for the Democratic Nomination. He caused some controversy when he described Lord Trimble the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of Northern Ireland as a “crankpot” for stating that Hillary Clinton’s claim to have been “helpful” in the Northern Irish peace process was, “A wee bit silly”.
’nuff said??
Shivas Irons on May 16, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Lets see,Hamas is in charge,no problem,they need to be treated like,The Good,The Bad,and the Ugly!
The Good -US Military!
The Bad- Hamas!
The Ugly McCain! Ha Ha!
canopfor on May 16, 2008 at 8:36 PM
What’s even more tiresome is when people theoretically “on my side” are so intent on their knee-jerk attacks on McCain that they apparently don’t even read the items they’re replying to.
CK MacLeod on May 16, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Unbelievable.
p0s3r on May 16, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Really, I don’t watch CNN, barely FOX News, not even my local news channels anymore because of tripe like this………. who the hell is this Rubin fellow everyone is talking about and who the hell cares what he has to say anyway?
Call him out on his lie……. then let him live a lonely solitary life where his word has no impact ever again on any National debate.
Seven Percent Solution on May 16, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Piss off dickwad. So I missed a line in Ed’s piece. Wasn’t meant as an attack on McCain. He’s got plenty of reasons not to vote for him without me having to make any up.
JiangxiDad on May 16, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Are you trying to convince people “on your side” to vote for McCain?
Dale Carnegie would be very disappointed.
EJDolbow on May 16, 2008 at 9:03 PM
The thing is most of the left will tell you that McCain is itching for a war with Iran. The right thinks he is too soft and the left thinks he is a warmonger.
But if you want to make Obama president, just stay home and let him win. Go ahead. And then complain.
Terrye on May 16, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Rubin was on Hillarys campaign team,his wife is CNN’s
chief international correspondent,his sister is a
“journalist” and “staff writer” for the “New York Times
magazine”!
I can’t be the only one that see’s POISON written
all over this,much like Steppy from ABC News,you can’t
trust any of these people,they have an agenda!Duh!
canopfor on May 16, 2008 at 9:10 PM
CK:
They don’t care. Their feelings are hurt because they could not even manage to filed a candidate that could come in second place. McCain winning the nomination is an unpleasant reality to them. They are forced to admit that they might not be as important as they think they are.
Of course none of us are really that important in the big scheme of things, it is just a bigger shock to some than others.
Terrye on May 16, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Do you really not realize how silly and immature this tired retort has become?
There are very few Conservatives who want Obama to be POTUS.
Complaints about McCain do not equal voting for Obama.
EJDolbow on May 16, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Quite enough. Thanks Shivas.
None of them have ever “said” anything to me, but repeated exposure of the layers of hushed interaction is never a bad thing for the benefit of the up and coming generations.
ShoreMark on May 16, 2008 at 9:13 PM
To be truthful, given McCain’s history on issues like this, I kind of figured there was some hanky panky going on. The media does this crap all the time. Creative editing. You really can not believe half of what these people say.
Terrye on May 16, 2008 at 9:15 PM
As a former CQ transfer funky chicken, this is not surprising from the “thin haired one” to expose these hacks. There are many here that are delighted that Ed (at least) found another format. And thanks to Allah and Michelle for allowing us to follow.
Rovin on May 16, 2008 at 9:15 PM
EJ:
It can not be any more tiresome than the silly knee jerk McCain attacks that accompany any story on the man. Without fail. Like clockwork.
And if you refuse to vote for McCain then that will help Obama win. That is just a fact. And if you are a conservative and you help a liberal like Obama win then you do not need to be constantly questioning McCain’s loyalty to the cause.
Terrye on May 16, 2008 at 9:17 PM
If they do I’ll faint.
SouthernGent on May 16, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Terrye, I see conservatives as having two choices:
A) Vote for McCain to supposedly stem the tide of the “progressives”
B) Stay home, kinda sorta hope McCain wins anyway, because it’s a stomach turning emotion to think of Obama winning.
With A) we get, IMHO, amnesty and carbon cap and trade.
With B) we get, IMHO, anmesty and carbon cap and trade.
Ergo:
With A) we get the Reps out in the wilderness for decades because the incredible depression we’ll enter will be tagged with a GOP McCain designer label by the Dems, by the MSM and by all the socialists in the world.
With B) we get the Dems out, perhaps forever. It’s tough to blame the carnage on the GOP when the Dems are in the WH and have majorities in the House and Senate — they’ll try anyway, but cannot succeed.
So, do you want a false victory for 4 years and decimation after that or, do you want to decimate the Dems at their own hands and start rebuilding in 2010 and 2012?
I made my choice already, the top of the ticket is blank in November.
ShoreMark on May 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM
ShoreMark on May 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Well its nice to see a real optimist…..
dmann on May 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Thanks for the Dobbs update… meanwhile Alan Colmes continued to distort using part of the McCain clip. Shameful.
RightWinged on May 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM
What he said.
The nation can survive either Obama or McCain. Whyinhell have a Republican enact a bunch of liberal crap when a Democrat will do it?
If McCain is so liberal that folks on the Right stay home in droves and Obama gets elected, who’s fault is that? Ours, or McCain’s?
misterpeasea on May 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Cute that you guys want to put the troops inside that circular firing squad of yours. Trust me, they do notice this stuff, and they aren’t as dumb as JF Querrie says.
funky chicken on May 16, 2008 at 9:45 PM
RightWinged on May 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM
I started watching but the sight of Colmes spitin’ up DNC distortions and lies just makes me puke, he is approach Olberdouche status in my book!
dmann on May 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Wow…the Dobbs thing is scathing.
funky chicken on May 16, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Man.
Last time we got what you espouse, mistereasea, we got Jimmy Carter.
Historians 100 years from now will only begin to understand the breadth of the damage Carter did not only to the US, but to the West as a whole, during his single term as President.
If you think McCain is liberal, you obviously don’t remember Nixon (who else remembers “WIN” buttons and price controls?); yet at least Nixon tried to win in Vietnam and he did end the draft.
By comparison, Carter allowed the military to atrophy, gave away strategic assets (Panama Canal), allowed the CIA to atrophy and slide leftwards, and allowed our enemies to believe that they could attack American soil (US Embassy in Tehran) and get away with it.
All the unrest in the Middle East can be traced back to those actions, IMHO.
So if you don’t vote in November, you bear responsibility for your actions no less than someone who votes for the candidate who will “talk” directly to our enemies, without preconditions, a la Chamberlain.
Wanderlust on May 16, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Believe it or not, I am an optimist. I recall struggling with some equation problem in grade school, it just wasn’t registering, then suddenly rays of sunshine came through and I “got it” making the rest of the course a cake walk.
I think B) allows more people that lean left for no particular reason than apathy or momentum, an opportunity to “get it” when they realize it’s all a socialist illusion, just as Carter proved so many years ago.
ShoreMark on May 16, 2008 at 9:56 PM
You call this a political party?
Republicans are bracing for a political annihilation of epic proportions after losing a special election this week in a solidly conservative district in Mississippi — yes, Mississippi.
We can call this “a harbinger.”
A betrayal of fiscal conservatism and limited government by George Bush has fractured the Republican Party, and mending it won’t be easy. Certainly, co-opting liberal ideas and repackaging them for moderates has failed to elect a single Republican. You may wonder, then: Why does it remain the GOP game plan?
Exhibit One: Republican presidential hopeful McCain unveiled his plan to nationalize energy with a cap-and-trade system (among other nuggets). McCain, in a speech that could have easily have been delivered by Al Gore, bemoaned the “profit” motive and claimed his solutions were “market”-driven.
If you believe McCain’s new, massive energy bureaucracy is essential, there is already a party out there that will undertake the task with gusto.
Republicans, sadly, have offered little else. If they believe victory can be found in convincing voters that Barack Obama (or Hillary Clinton) is a traitor or that Iraq is worth 100 years, they will lose.
It’s about time members of the GOP stopped being enablers. And a decisive defeat in November would be the perfect start.
MB4 on May 16, 2008 at 9:57 PM
misterpeasea on May 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Are you serious?? That you and your ilk can rationalize an Obama victory as McCain’s fault shows your true colors…blue! Only a progressive mind would try to sell the protest no vote as a conservative victory. I’m no McCain fan but I sure don’t want to see that charlatan race baiting socialist as POTUS. NO SALE!
dmann on May 16, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Call me paranoid, but the expression on Dana Bash’s face when Lou took off was one as if a person had just swallowed a large gulp of sour milk. Priceless.
If the Mav’s dont continue to slam this clown rubin all weekend, I will be a bitterman. Get Schmidt or Mark Salter on camera with the guy and watch the fur fly.
Mike D. on May 16, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Ummm, Dana Bash is another lefty ya gotta watch!
Interesting,so Rubin isn’t saying it,but I guess
some dog ate the transcript,how convienant!
And,I love this exchange, from Dana Bash:
“As you can imagine,that’s quite a charge to say
somebody lied”
This is coming from the left,and Dana will get a hold of
Rubin and they will get this straightened out,even if more
lying is required,and I bet Dana is workin the phone in
overtime to help the lefts agenda!
Priceless,imagine that, somebody lied!Boy their spinning
this one,Bill must be stunned,or proud at this handi-work!
canopfor on May 16, 2008 at 10:11 PM
If McCain loses, and the odds are increasing that he will, then it will be on Juan “McCain/Kennedy / McCain/Feingold / “Global Warming” McCrankyPants and those who helped to get him the Republican nomination.
MB4 on May 16, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Obama asked for it from Dobbs when he falsely accused him of wanting to round up illegals and forcibly eject them from the US or some such.
I’d defend myself, but I break down laughing every time someone implicitly accuses a McCain supporter of being inadequately polite and thoughtful in these virtual environs.
CK MacLeod on May 16, 2008 at 10:16 PM
ShoreMark on May 16, 2008 at 9:56 PM
I might agree with your contention if we did not face the Islamic extremist and Iranian hegemony threats. Obama will not challenge let alone confront these true enemies of the USA.
dmann on May 16, 2008 at 10:17 PM
McCain had better keep extra staff on board. Every week there will be a distortion. A distortion aimed primarily to keep him off message and on the defensive. The MSM is still a very powerful instrument. No matter how absurd the charges they usually have their intended effect.
As to the continued claim some folks are staying home because there is no difference between McCain and Obama they have comprehension problems that have nothing to do with politics. It’s a waste of time trying to convince them to think.
patrick neid on May 16, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Call me paranoid….
MikeD on May 16,2008 at 10:08PM.
MikeD: Your not the only one,Lou Dobbs didn’t look
to comfortable with Dana’s report,and Dana
looked like her agenda helping with the left,
akin to getting her hand caught in the political
smearing cookie jar,so to speak!
canopfor on May 16, 2008 at 10:23 PM
From all that I can gather Rubin is with the Clinton campaign, is this correct?
Topsecretk9 on May 16, 2008 at 10:24 PM
McCain needs to fight and make all these people retract this BS.
Chakra Hammer on May 16, 2008 at 10:36 PM
You mean getting trumpeted on Limbaugh’s show as another example of how awful McCain is? And then getting plastered all over the internet and printed media by “True Conservatives” determined to see Obama as my husband’s Commander in Chief?
Your second paragraph is accurate as well.
funky chicken on May 16, 2008 at 10:39 PM
No one would ever shoot at them so long as they are safely tucked under your soft funny chicken wing.
RushBaby on May 16, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Whoopsie! I can’t wait to hear the “sorry, sweetie” phone call….
funky chicken on May 16, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Check the Map Room, Jamie.
Buy Danish on May 16, 2008 at 10:44 PM
LOL
funky chicken on May 16, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I think it’s awful strange Jamie doesn’t have a copy of his own interview, but emailed to him? Sidney Blumenthal’s emailpalooza smear train again?
Topsecretk9 on May 16, 2008 at 10:50 PM
I understand your trepidation dmann, I share it. It’s obvious that we disagree on what path will deliver us the best outcome in the long run, but I think it clear we both have the best interests of our country at heart.
Either of us could be right, but I sincerely hope that the best outcome prevails, whether your scenario or mine.
ShoreMark on May 16, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Zing!
RushBaby on May 16, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Everyone knows the media has to lie in order for liberals to win elections.
A while ago I was watching a Senate hearing on C-Span II. Ivan Seidenberg was one of the people being questioned. One Senator said that the Washington Post had written an article about such-and-such negative to Seidenberg. Seidenberg responded - “Well, consider the source. It’s the Washington Post.” That’s the only answer he gave, and everyone seemed to know exactly what he meant. No one asked any follow-ups about it, or pressed it in any way. That’s because everyone knows the WAPO is a liar, and everyone expects it.
jaime on May 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Hilarious. . . . Has to be a some relationship.
Texyank on May 16, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Suicide, for a brighter future! Isn’t that a leftist belief?
funky chicken on May 16, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Step into my office, Rubin… cause you’re f-ing FIRED!
Claypigeon on May 16, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Rubin works for the same rag that “Makaka’d” Sen. Allen. It’s one reason why newspapers are becoming increasingly more irrelevant. And yeah, thank God times have changed: we have blogs, the internet in general, You Tube etc. to expose their propagandist tendencies and it’s that technology that’s putting these hacks out of business. Who the hell wants old “news” with some dopey slant delivered to their door every day? People in general are better educated and informed, too. These idiot so-called journalists don’t realize that you need a college degree to get a job as an administrative assistant anymore; they still think they’re the “smartest guys in the room” even though they’ve studied journalism - not international relations or macroeconomics or anything difficult. And those of us who are educated and conservative are conservative in spite of the inculcation we got at our university, so we posess something liberals don’t: the critical thinking skills required to flush them out.
foxforce91 on May 16, 2008 at 11:44 PM
They won’t. I certainly hope to see the fair and balanced news network shove this lie 9 yards up Obama’s fairy ass.
Jaibones on May 16, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Damn. I’m getting more respect for Lou Dobbs every day.
I still won’t be voting for McCain, but I’m glad to hear that for the…what is it, 600th or 700th time…the democrats took him out of context for cheap political points.
MadisonConservative on May 16, 2008 at 11:53 PM
MCCAIN ‘08: THE LEAST BAD CHOICE!
MCCAIN ‘08: IF YOU DON’T VOTE FOR HIM, IT’LL BE ALL YOUR FAULT.
———-
Nobody owes their vote to McCain or anyone else. Judge for yourselves whose votes he’s trying to get. If he loses to a babe in the woods like Obama, it’s not going to be anyone’s fault but his.
Are you McCain supporters really on board with his global warming crap? Even if India and China don’t sign up for the lunacy? We’ll be spending/destroying trillions of dollars, and it won’t make any measurable difference in the environment.
And amnesty? That’s just hunky-dory with you folks?
I’m pretty sure that President Obama will have to defend America from terrorists attacks. And let’s face it, we aren’t going to do anything about Iran and their nukes no matter who is President. Does anyone really believe that a President McCain is going to be able to do what it takes to prevent Iran from getting nukes with a leftist Congress?
I’d rather Bambi get the blame than Republicans.
misterpeasea on May 16, 2008 at 11:55 PM
This will further erode hussein. His support network will attempt to use it and get beaten to a pulp. Figuratively speaking.
hussein said what he said. Now his sled is coming off the rails.
dogsoldier on May 16, 2008 at 11:58 PM
One would hope. The democrats (and especially republicans) who hate McCain will continue to hate McCain. The people who actually like him, and tolerate him(like me) will see this as something that is - yet again - another lie about the man that was gratefully corrected.
More than that - the people who haven’t made up their minds yet, the people who sometimes decide elections because they hadn’t made up their minds yet - will see this as an attempted lie about McCain, and wonder why someone tried to lie when something like this would have been shown to be a lie eventually. McCain is the one being attacked here. McCain is telling the truth. People will decide which man, Obama or McCain from which party is the most trustful and truthful.
wise_man on May 17, 2008 at 12:12 AM
That’s bad news for those he’s thrown under it! His gramma, his dad, his pastor…
jgapinoy on May 17, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Which means Jamie Rubin is a tool. He did not even care enough about his own reputation to verify his own interview.
I wonder who emailed it to him.
EJDolbow on May 17, 2008 at 12:22 AM
At the risk of turning this into another damn Global Warming thread…yes…partially, I am of the mind that we need to get off oil and eventually all fossil fuels right quick anyways.
Yes I support the guest worker program and some form of amnesty with a complete closure of the border, like the Reagan amnesty with some actual follow through. All illegals get registered during a grace period. If you are caught after: gone. Commmit a felony: gone. Fail to pay the fine or meet any other benchmarks (English learning progress towards citizenship): gone.
With some nice talks over tea and hand-wringing over collateral damage from every Predator strike.
You must be over 40 and not care about those of us who have to live with all his nice little judicial appointments for the next 40+
Squid Shark on May 17, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Isn’t that the most pathetic excuse you’ve ever heard? He wrote an entire column based on a excerpt of an interview he conducted, and we are to infer he has no access to his own files which hold his own flipping interviews.
The only possible explanation is that Christiane threw him out of the house and she has the key to the file drawer. Or, the Map Room thingy.
Buy Danish on May 17, 2008 at 12:36 AM
When will the Washington Post issue its retraction?
Next Saturday on page D46.
its vintage duh on May 17, 2008 at 12:45 AM
I think WaPo is getting ready to issue a retraction. I know this because I just saw a pig-like object fly over my house…oh, wait a second…nevermind. It was just Rosie on one of her fly-overs. Sorry. / sarc off
c3ichief on May 17, 2008 at 12:50 AM
With their circulation circling the drain how can newspapers afford to be this dishonest, this biased? I have noticed more articles from a conservative viewpoint in the NYT and LAT lately but the underlying face down in the tank for Obama syndrome comes through load and clear. Oh well, voting booth backlash is a comin’
Theworldisnotenough on May 17, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Because Obama sells newspapers, magazines, and cable TV news. Some have suggested that they even hope to hook a new generation of readers and viewers who to this point had never gotten into the habit.
CK MacLeod on May 17, 2008 at 1:05 AM
Amnesty for 12-20+ million people. For a lawyer, you have a disturbing lack of regard for that whole “rule of law” thing. And tell me, how is it going to be different from the last time? Reagan’s amnesty worked great, huh?
As far as getting off oil: it’s impossible at this point, and will be for the foreseeable future. It’s amazing how many people don’t understand that there aren’t cheap, abundant, easy sources of energy just lying around waiting for us to use them. Sources of energy are very, very rare in the universe. Cheap, easy, and abundant ones are even more rare. Oil is a blessing from [deity of your choice].
misterpeasea on May 17, 2008 at 1:49 AM
One last thing.
Somebody at HotAir was yammering the other day about how participating in Operation Chaos was a dereliction of their civic duty, and trying to impress us with awesome words like etymology (which reminded me of this, by the way).
How is voting for McCain, when you don’t agree with the liberal crap he spews, any less of a dereliction of that sacred duty?
misterpeasea on May 17, 2008 at 2:42 AM
An Obama win by default would be even worse than the damage caused by the Carter years. We are still feeing the repercussions of that travesty.
onlineanalyst on May 17, 2008 at 6:21 AM
Regarding the WAPO, NYT,the scum working there, and several leaders of the Liberal party; this former soldier sums it up quite well…
Jimmy Carter, you are the father of the Islamic Nazi movement. You threw the Shah under the bus, welcomed the Ayatollah home, and then lacked the spine to confront the terrorists when they took our embassy and our people hostage. You’re the runner-in-chief.
Bill Clinton, you played ring around the Lewinsky while the terrorists were at war with us. You got us into a fight with them in Somalia and then you ran from it. Your weak-willed responses to the U.S.S. Cole and the First Trade Center Bombing and Our Embassy Bombings emboldened the killers. Each time you failed to respond adequately, they grew bolder, until 9/11/2001.
John Kerry, dishonesty is your most prominent attribute. You lied about American Soldiers in Vietnam. Your military service, like your life, is more fiction than fact. You’ve accused our military of terrorizing women and children in Iraq. You called Iraq the wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, the same words you used to describe Vietnam. You’re a fake. You want to run from Iraq and abandon the Iraqis to murderers just as you did the Vietnamese. Iraq, like Vietnam, is another war that you were for, before you were against it.
John Murtha, you said our military was broken. You said we can’t win militarily in Iraq. You accused United States Marines of cold-blooded murder without proof and said we should redeploy to Okinawa. Okinawa, John? And the Democrats call you their military expert! Are you sure you didn’t suffer a traumatic brain injury while you were off building your war hero resume? You’re a sad, pitiable, corrupt and washed up politician. You’re not a Marine, sir. You wouldn’t amount to a good pimple on a real Marine’s ass. You’re a phony and a disgrace. Run away, John.
Dick Durbin, you accused our Soldiers at Guantanamo of being Nazis, tenders of Soviet style gulags and as bad as the regime of Pol Pot, who murdered two million of his own people after your party abandoned Southeast Asia to the Communists. Now you want to abandon the Iraqis to the same fate. History was not a good teacher for you, was it? Lord help us! See Dick run.
Ted Kennedy, for days on end you held poster-sized pictures from Abu Ghraib in front of any available television camera. Al Jazeera quoted you saying that Iraqi’s torture chambers were open under new management. Did you see the news, Teddy? The Islamic Nazis demonstrated another beheading for you. If you truly supported our troops, you’d show the world poster-sized pictures of that atrocity and demand the annihilation of it. Your legislation stripping support from the South Vietnamese led to a communist victory there. You’re a bloated, drunken fool bent on repeating the same historical blunder that turned freedom-seeking people over to homicidal, genocidal maniacs. To paraphrase John Murtha, all while sitting on your wide, gin-soaked rear-end in Washington.
Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Carl Levine, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Russ Feingold, Hillary Clinton, Pat Leahy, Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer, the Hollywood Leftist morons, et al, ad nauseam: Every time you stand in front of television cameras and broadcast to the Islamic Nazis that we went to war because our President lied, that the war is wrong and our Soldiers are torturers, that we should leave Iraq, you give the Islamic butchers - the same ones that tortured and mutilated American Soldiers - cause to think that we’ll run away again, and all they have to do is hang on a little longer. It is inevitable that we, the infidels, will have to defeat the Islamic jihadists. Better to do it now on their turf, than later on ours after they have gained both strength and momentum.
American news media, the New York Times particularly: Each time you publish stories about national defense secrets and our intelligence gathering methods, you become one united with the sub-human pieces of camel dung that torture and mutilate the bodies of American Soldiers. You can’t strike up the courage to publish cartoons, but you can help Al Qaeda destroy my country. Actually, you are more dangerous to us than Al Qaeda is. Think about that each time you face Mecca to admire your Pulitzer.
You are America’s “AXIS OF IDIOTS.” Your Collective Stupidity will destroy us. Self-serving politics and terrorist-abetting news scoops are more important to you than our national security or the lives of innocent civilians and Soldiers. It bothers you that defending ourselves gets in the way of your elitist sport of politics and your ignorant editorializing. There is as much blood on your hands as is on the hands of murdering terrorists. Don’t ever doubt that. Your frolics will only serve to extend this war as they extended Vietnam. If you want our Soldiers home as you claim, knock off the crap and try supporting your country ahead of supporting your silly political aims and aiding our enemies.
Yes, I’m questioning your patriotism. Your loyalty ends with self. I’m also questioning why you’re stealing air that decent Americans could be breathing. You don’t deserve the protection of our men and women in uniform. You need to run away from this war, this country. Leave the war to the people who have the will to see it through and the country to people who are willing to defend it.
No, Mr. President, you don’t get off the hook, either. Our country has two enemies: Those who want to destroy us from the outside and those who attempt it from within. Your Soldiers are dealing with the outside force. It’s your obligation to support them by confronting the AXIS OF IDIOTS.
America must hear it from you that these self-centered people are harming our country, a betting the enemy and endangering our safety. Well up a little anger, please, and channel it toward the appropriate target. You must prosecute those who leak national security secrets to the media. You must prosecute those in the media who knowingly publish those secrets.
Semper Fi,
J. D. Pendry - Sergeant Major, USMC, Retired
Keemo on May 17, 2008 at 7:55 AM
Toldja!
drjohn on May 17, 2008 at 8:28 AM
Hear, hear. And thanks.
JiangxiDad on May 17, 2008 at 8:29 AM
He’s a Democrat. Natch.
drjohn on May 17, 2008 at 8:34 AM
It is truly nice that you would play dice with the lives of 300 million Americans for four years under Barack Obama just to make sure the Dhimmicrats are blamed for every single problem under the sun in that administration. It really doesn’t matter to you that over the next 4 yrs, a nuclear device could go off, delivered by Islamic radicals, which could eliminate a couple of million Americans in an instant, because our leader Barry believes in talking with and negotiating with (an activity which means you give something away in exchange for what you want), but not attacking our enemies.
How nice that you believe we have the luxury of not standing up to Evil men where they exist, and in every activity they pursue. Perhaps they truly are the Minutemen Michael Moore suggests? After all, Iraq from 2004 to 2007 is a perfect example of what happens when Good citizens do nothing to oppose the Evil men in their midst. Perhaps because they were intimidated by all the families beheaded, burned, shot, stabbed, tortured, and finally killed horribly, just so the Islamic Nazis could get their way, politically, we should forgive them, like we could forgive the Republicans, for not doing anything to stop the violence and terror taking place in their own lands, and across the world. Whataya say? Let’s just let Evil have its way for 4 yrs. What’s the worst that could happen?
Of course, I think you’re wrong. Just like Barry.
Now there’s a Man that’s RIGHT! Thanks for that kernel of Absolute Truth, Sergeant Major. I’m with you. Press on.
Subsunk
Subsunk on May 17, 2008 at 8:45 AM
Rubin has a post up at HuffPo where he hits bottom and keeps on digging
I think the video kills the whole not taken out of context BS.
CommentGuy on May 17, 2008 at 9:29 AM
n 1998 Rubin, who at the time was spokesman for the US State Department, married Christiane Amanpour, chief international correspondent for CNN. A son, Darius John Rubin, was born in the year 2000, at the family’s home in London, England. His sister, Elizabeth Rubin is a journalist and staff writer for The New York Times Magazine.
And:
Not quite besides the other comment about his sisters position at the NYT we also need to note that is daddy is Clintons Economic advisor and was Sec of the Treasury under BJ Bill.
CommentGuy on May 17, 2008 at 9:35 AM
From Wiki on Robert Rubin
Rubin is married to Judith Oxenberg Rubin, who served as the New York City Commissioner of Protocol for four years under Mayor David Dinkins. The Rubins have two grown sons, James and Philip. [9]
CommentGuy on May 17, 2008 at 9:37 AM
So from that am I mixing up different Rubin clans here? I see no mention of a sister Elizabeth in the wiki entry?
CommentGuy on May 17, 2008 at 9:39 AM
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